Re:Icons in the Syrian Orthodox tradition
- Dear readers,
I would like to thank Rev Fr Mani Rajan, Mr John Thomas, Mr Eldhose and Mr Shinu for responding to my posting.
I request all of you who read this , to spread this teaching among the members of our Church. I guess at least in their respective parishes they will be able to bring about some difference .
Ernakulam , Kerala
- Dear moderators,
1. Are we allowed to have silver or golden cross in the centre of
Thronos? Isint it a plain wooden cross the right SOC tradition?
Wooden cross (empty budded cross or Easter cross) is our tradition.
There can be additional ornamental golden or silver cross but a
wooden cross is a must for it is symboic of the cross on which Christ
2. Isint there an order for the number of candles on the holy
Thronos? Looking around I am seeing from 2 candles to as many as 15
candles in some churches. Is this right?
There is no documentary evidence about the number of candles to be
placed on the altar (Anson, 1948). Moreover, it was not our practice
until 10th or 11th century. However, Exodus 40:4; John 8:12; Psalm
27:1; Matthew 25:1-13 are some of the Biblical references that allude
to the use of candles (oil lamps) in the Church. The number of
candles is supposed to be 12 symbolising the 12 Apostles. Since the
Cross symbolises Christ, 13 candles (one at the centre) are not
necessary. However, the practice varies with local traditions.
Please note that Mor Dionysius Bar Saleebi (d. 1171) or Mose Bar
Kipho (d. 903) did not mention about the practice in their
Anson, P. F. (1948). Churches - Their plan and furnishing.
Milwaukee: The Bruce Publishing Company.
Mose Bar Kipho (1988). Church fathers - II (G.. Chediath, Trans.).
Dionysius Bar Saleebi (1990). Exposition of Liturgy (G. Chediath,
Trans.). Kottayam: OIRS.
Fr. Mani Rajan
--- In SOCM-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, Shinu Jesus Abraham wrote:
> Greetings to All
> Thanks to Mr. Apu Jose for bringing up the subject. The problem is
> defenitely as Rev.Fr. Mani Rajan mentioned - "WHO WILL BELL THE CAT"
- Greetings to all
Thanks to achen for the detailed reply. But would like to know a bit
further clarification. Which cross should be on the centre of the
top-most step of holy thronos? Is it right to have 15+ candles on
the holy thronos when we know that candles symbolises the 12
Shinu Jesus Abraham
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--- In SOCM-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, Rev. (Dr.) Fr. Mani Rajan wrote:
> Dear moderators,
> 1. Are we allowed to have silver or golden cross in the centre of
> Thronos? Isint it a plain wooden cross the right SOC tradition?