Re: Surname opinions wanted
- --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "dan wanchic" <wa8vzq@h...>
> I've been researching my maternal line surname Granatovic fromTrebisov.
> My gggrandfather was Andras Granatovic.
> My ggrandfather Josef and his two brothers changed the spelling
> to Granatovich in the US. My guess is because of pronouncing
> the ending 'c' as 'ch.
> My grandfathers' generation changed the spelling to Grantonic.
> I have several different theories on the meaning of Granatovic
> and I'd like to rule out some of my guesses. I'd like some opinions
> from the group. These are listed in my guess from highest to lowest
> 1. It's a trade name related to someone who imported or sold
> since granatovnik is Slovak/Czech for pomegranate. Dropping the'nik' and
> adding the 'ic' seems to be a plausible progression into a surname.since
> 2. It's a trade name related to someone who traded or sold garnets
> granat is German for garnet. Adding the suffix 'ovic' results inGarnetson.
> Although the German population in Czech/Slovakia region is small,it is
> a significant possibility.
> 3. Similar scenerio as #2 but using an ethinic Russian origin since
> meanswould mean
> pomegrante in Russian. But this case adding the 'ovic' the name
> 'son of pomegranate' I've found the Granatovich surname in Russia.when
> 4. Similar scenerio as #3 but Belarus or Ukranian origin. (I don't
> know the translation for these languages) I do see the Granat and
> surname in searches in each country.
> 5. It's a patronymic name corrupted by a double translation error
> th given name Hranich to cryllic and back. Grana is the Russian
> of Hranich.garnets
> 6. It's a descriptive name loosely related to the reddish color of
> or pomegranates.Dan,
> Any insight is greatly appreciated.
> If this address bounces
> -- wa8vzq@c...
> -- Saint Cloud, MN --
Many interesting speculations.
My surname opinion input.
Many emigrants changed names after ariival in the US.
Ellis Island Records (EIR) list 232 surnames Granat.
>From Russia, Sweden, Finland, Belarus, Hungary, Mexico, and othercountries.
I didn't see a Andras or Andrew in this group to match your gggrandfather.=
Expect surname was from Baltics, Scandanavia, and former Russian Empire.
Given name Andrew (E) András (H) Ondrej/Andrej (Sk) Andreas (G)
Ondrih (Cz) Andrezej (P) Andriejus (Lith) A h d p e u (Rus)
In Slovak, granát = grenade, shell
granátovy' = a garnet jewel (s^perk)
granátové jablko (apple) = a pomegranate
Pomegranate is a fruit native to SW Asia and grown in warm countries.
I doubt if the climate in Upper Hungary (Slovakia) was warm enough
to cultivate such a crop for the Hapsburg rulers of Austria-Hungary.
Perhaps the Russian tsars could savor pomegranates.
Garnet mining is carried on in US (NY, MT) in S.A, in Mexico, South
Africa and elsewhere in the world.
Hungarians had a surname ending -ics which was not native to Hungarian
but a phonetic adaptation i.e. written -ics pron. ick.
Magyar letter "cs" =ch was equivalent to Slovak diacritic letter c^ =ch.
In 1905, a Josef Granatovics, age 33 (b. abt. 1869, Hungarian,
had emigrated from To"keterebes (H) Trebis^ov (Sk) to his brother in
Mingo Junction, Jefferson CO OH (which is located at the WVA border)
Couldn't read the brother's given name , perhaps Juraj (George ) ?
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