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Re: [S-R] Re: surname spelling changes

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  • Anne Sprentz
    Frank, Thank you for that very informative reply. You really went out of your way to explain this to me, and I do appreciate it. You must have the patience
    Message 1 of 5 , May 1, 2003
      Thank you for that very informative reply. You really went out of your way
      to explain this to me, and I do appreciate it. You must have the patience
      of a saint..:-))

      Anne Sprentz

      Do you know who killed my father?
      JOHN SPRENTZ, murdered 1983 in
      Ecorse, Michigan.... see my website for
      further details.

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Frank" <frankur@...>
      To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 7:32 PM
      Subject: [S-R] Re: surname spelling changes

      > Anne,
      > I have no problem with that.
      > Hungarians had a surname ending -ics which was not native to
      > Hungarian but a phonetic adaptation i.e. written -ics pron. ick.
      > This was akin to South Slavic surname affix -ic'/-vic', -ovic' pron.
      > ovich, meaning 'son of'.
      > Pronounced the same as and means the same thing as 'son of' (clan
      > name) in Croatian.
      > Similar to Polish surname affix -owicz or -owycz which is
      > pronounced the same as and also means the same thing as 'son of'
      > (clan name)
      > This special ending also has the same meaning in Russian.
      > In Hungarian, the letter 'sz' is pron. s.
      > In Polish , letter 'sz' is pron. sh.
      > In Hungarian, the letter s is pron. sh and in Slovak the letter
      > s^ is pron. sh.
      > Since letter 'cs' is pron. ch, surname Szedovics might be spelled
      > Szedlovich or Sedlovic^ (ch)
      > Setlowitz could be the German spelling.
      > Hungarian and Slovak don't use the letter w.
      > Letters q, w, x appear only in foreign words and surnames.
      > In most Slavic languages the letter v is pron. v.
      > In German and Polish the letter w is pron. v.
      > In German the letter v is pron. f, v.
      > Ungvár (H)
      > Uz^horod (Cz, Sk)
      > Uzhhorod (Ukr)
      > Uzhgorod (Rus)
      > Russian has no H sound/letter, but a hard G.
      > Ukrainian has no G sound/letter, but a hard H.
      > In 1880 Ung megye was part of Hungary.
      > The area of today's Karpatho-Ukraine was part of the Kingdom of
      > Hungary from the 10th century to 1919, and formed the counties,
      > comitatus in Latin, which was the legal language of
      > administration until 1844, Komitat or Gespannschaft in German,
      > Megye in Magyar), of Ung,(capital Ungvár), Bereg (Beregszasz),
      > U-gocsa (Nagy-Szállos), and Máramaros (Marmaros-Szighet).
      > They did not form a special administrative area during Hungarian
      > rule.
      > After peace treaty (1920) the newly formed country of Czechoslovakia
      > was formed from Bohemia, Moravia, and Austrian-Silesia and Slovakia
      > and Karpatho-Ukraine.
      > The larger part, with an area of 12,600 km or 5,400 sq. miles, was
      > annexed by the newly created Czechoslovak Republic, or CSR, a
      > smaller part of Marmaros Komitat by Romania.
      > Both countries gave cities and villages new official names.
      > The parts taken by the CSR were organized into the province of
      > Podkarpatska Rus, divided into four Z^upy (Uz^horod, Mukac^evo,
      > Berehovo, Marmaros^) whose boundaries followed roughly the old
      > Komitat boundaries.The county capitals were Uz^horod, (Ungvár),
      > Berehova, (Beregszasz), Mukac^evo (Munkács, German Munkatsch),
      > while the new capital of Czech Marmaros was Chust
      > (Huszt), since Máramarossziget was now the capital of Romanian
      > Marmaros under the name of Sighetul Marmariei.
      > The area had been promised autonomy in 1919, and finally
      > received it in October 1938 in the wake of the Munich agreement.
      > However, the Southern strip, populated mainly by Magyars (ethnic
      > Hungarians), was returned to Hungary, which annexed the remainder
      > of the area in March 1939.
      > In 1939, Hungary forcibily annexed Subcarpathian Rus' (then part of
      > Czechoslovakia.
      > The Karpatho-Ukraine was annexed in June 1945 by the Soviet Union.
      > Since 1991, it is part of the independent Republic Ukraine.
      > For genealogists, the boundary changes, especially when dividing of
      > a village from its county capital, where many records were collected,
      > presents great challenges.
      > The problem now is, that inorder to obtain surname records, you need
      > to write the Ukrainian Archives in Ukrainian Cyrillic alphabet.
      > For example, Kiev
      > K | | B (Cyrillic)
      > K i i v
      > If they ever replied, answer would also be written in Ukrainian.
      > It good times, the Archives sometimes replied after a year, or
      > never.
      > >From the late 1700s until the end of WW I, Poland did not exist as a
      > country. It was divided among the Russian, German (Prussian), and
      > Austrian Empires. These divisions were known as Partitions.
      > The former Russian Empire included Poland, Lithuania, Latvia ,
      > Estonia , Belarus (Byelorussia), and parts of the Ukraine.
      > Since this is not germane to CzechoSlovakia I will reply to your
      > ancestry.com surname finds elsewhere.
      > Instead I will tell you here how to obtain NJ naturalization records.
      > Remember, for pre-1906 naturalization records you must figure out
      > where the immigrant did (or could) naturalize, and look for that
      > court's records. If it was a federal court, those records are likely
      > at the appropriate Regional National Archives. After 1906 the
      > procedure is just the same, except that there was a copy of ALL
      > naturalization records since September 27, 1906, filed with the U.S.
      > Immigration and Naturalization Service.
      > So if you cannot determine which court naturalized the immigrant after
      > 1906, or if the courthouse burned and the post-1906 records were lost,
      > or you could request a copy from the INS under the Freedom of
      > Information Act.
      > You can e-mail the regional National Archives and Records
      > Administration (NARA) Northeast Region-New York City NY to search
      > their surname naturalization index.
      > E-mail: newyork.archives@...
      > Holdings :
      > Maintains archival records from Federal agencies and courts in
      > New Jersey, New York, Puerto Rico, and the U.S.Virgin Islands.
      > Request a surname naturalization record search and provide
      > as much as you can of the following:
      > Name
      > Date of birth
      > Place of birth
      > Year of immigration
      > Ship and port of arrival
      > Year of naturalization
      > Marital status
      > Names of spouse and dependents
      > Residence at time of naturalization
      > Also provide your name and U.S. Postal snailmail address.
      > NARA will also respond to your query by e-mail.
      > If located , upon payment of $ 6 fee will mail you
      > naturalization papers.
      > You will receive acknowledgement of request following a few days
      > or hours depending on NARA's volume.
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