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      Italian women went by their maiden names






      >From: Elizabeth Dente <brookft@...>
      >Reply-To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      >To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: [S-R] Married Woman using maiden name
      >Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:50:24 -0500
      >
      >I am astonished - I wondered why my husband's ITALIAN maternal
      >great-grandmother used her maiden name when she arrived through Ellis
      >Island!
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      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: RMH
      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:58 AM
      > Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: surname gender affix -ova
      >
      >
      > I had come across the fact that if an Italian woman travelled here
      >without
      > her husband, she was listed under her maiden name - I found my
      > daughter-in-law's grandmother listed this way, and was told that that
      >was
      > routine. Maybe the same custom applied for those coming from
      > Austria-Hungary?
      >
      > Regina Rabatin Haring
      > Nanuet, NY
      > http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: <Marianne50614@...>
      > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:04 AM
      > Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: surname gender affix -ova
      >
      >
      > > I always look at the Ellis Island info for children. I know some of
      >my
      > ancestors/relatives came to the U.S. as children, and knowing that, I
      >look
      > at those too. Like Stephanie's case, the children's mother was listed
      >under
      > her maiden name, but the info on to whom these children and their mother
      > were going gave me info on other relatives who were already here.
      > >
      > > "Stephanie M" <czeching@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > >Just a note about a little luck I had on ellis island.
      > > >Try a sibling.
      > > >I could not for the life of me find my g g grandmother-but when I
      >looked
      > up
      > > >one of her children's names-it came up-
      > > >she came over here with 3 of her children to join her husband
      > > >
      > > >1st of all she was listed under her maiden name-and on the ei they
      > spelled
      > > >it incorrectly-but her children came under their father's name-and I
      > found
      > > >them without any difficulty which of course meant that I found her as
      > well.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >>From: William F Brna <wfbrna@...>
      > > >>Reply-To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      > > >>To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      > > >>Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: surname gender affix -ova
      > > >>Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:58:09 -0500
      > > >>
      > > >>June,
      > > >>
      > > >>May I suggest that you try every possible spelling combination of
      >your
      > > >>grandmother's name in the EI records? I had tried to find my
      >father's
      > > >>record ever since Ellis Island went on line. I found my uncle's
      >record
      > > >>but could not find my father's. Last week,after reviewing the
      >soundex
      > > >>records for NY arrivals, I found my uncle's record twice, once
      >spelled
      > > >>"Brna" and once spelled "Brua". It was the same record but when the
      > > >>soundex list was compiled, it was read properly once and once in
      >error.
      > > >>His first name was Tomas and it was recorded as "Jamas". In
      >reviewing
      > > >>the soundex record, I found 9 people whose surname was "Brna" (none
      >of
      > > >>them my father) and three in which the surname was spelled "Brno".
      >These
      > > >>were three children. I then went back to the Ellis Island records,
      >using
      > > >>the spelling "Brno" and found my father's record. You must remember
      >that
      > > >>many of the people who came through Ellis Island may have been
      > > >>illiterate, to some degree, and the immigration authorities were not
      >all
      > > >>that great when it came to recording Central European names, nor
      >were
      > > >>they able to read properly what an immigrant may have written.
      > > >>
      > > >>Bill Brna
      > > >>
      > > >>On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 22:07:33 -0800 (PST) McKee June
      > <junemckee@...>
      > > >>writes:
      > > >> > Hi Frank,
      > > >> >
      > > >> > I am just wondering if there was a mistake made or
      > > >> > either my grandmother had a stepfather. On all of the
      > > >> > paperwork that we have ever seen which hasnt been too
      > > >> > much her maiden name was boldizar. I ordered her death
      > > >> > certificate and it told me that her fathers name was
      > > >> > Joseph bolga. I sent several months for her
      > > >> > immigration papers which I am waiting for and that
      > > >> > should give me much more information beings she would
      > > >> > have been the person giving the information. My
      > > >> > grandfather gave the information on the death
      > > >> > certificate when she died.
      > > >> >
      > > >> > As far as the Maria Boldizar age 21 , I know that she
      > > >> > was only 16 and was not married till she got to new
      > > >> > york then met my grandfather which is a Joseph Kolina.
      > > >> > Strange her name is Mary.
      > > >> >
      > > >> > I have looked over the ellis Island in the past but
      > > >> > not too recently for her name and none of them could
      > > >> > have been her because of the dates. I am going to take
      > > >> > another close look at it again and see if anything has
      > > >> > been added. I guess I have just been hoping that the
      > > >> > immigration papers I am waiting for will tell me what
      > > >> > I need to know.
      > > >> >
      > > >> > thank you for your help as in the past. You are a
      > > >> > great wealth of good information. I enjoy reading what
      > > >> > you post because I always seem to learn something from
      > > >> > what you write.
      > > >> >
      > > >> > thanks,
      > > >> > June
      > > >> > --- Frank <frankur@...> wrote:
      > > >> > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, McKee June
      > > >> > > <junemckee@y...>
      > > >> > > wrote:
      > > >> > > > Hi Frank,
      > > >> > > >
      > > >> > > > could you tell me would Boldizar and Bolga be one
      > > >> > > in
      > > >> > > > the same?
      > > >> > >
      > > >> > > Boldizar and Bolga ? would be separate and distinct
      > > >> > > surnames found in
      > > >> > > Slovakia.
      > > >> > > You also had written Boldizar from Hungary emigrated
      > > >> > > via Ellis Island
      > > >> > > abt 1905 to 1907.
      > > >> > >
      > > >> > > Some emigrants changed names after they had settled
      > > >> > > in the U.S.
      > > >> > >
      > > >> > > The U.S. Social Security Death Index (SSDI) lists 63
      > > >> > > surnames
      > > >> > > Boldizar.
      > > >> > > Were any related ?
      > > >> > >
      > > >> > > The Ellis Island Records (EIR) list only 10 surnames
      > > >> > > Boldizar.
      > > >> > >
      > > >> > > A Maria Boldizar, age 21, Magyar, emigrated to the
      > > >> > > U.S. via
      > > >> > > Ellis Island (NYC) in 1907.
      > > >> > > She went to her husband Josef Boldizar in NYC.
      > > >> > > She was born in Tarcaszentpiter, Hungary which was
      > > >> > > Petrovany (Sk)
      > > >> > > located in eastern Slovakia.
      > > >> > >
      > > >> > > A Dezso" (H) (no English equivalent) Boldizar, age
      > > >> > > 23, married,
      > > >> > > Magyar, emigrated in 1905 via Ellis Island.
      > > >> > > He went to his brother-in-law a Peter Peidel.
      > > >> > > He was accompanied by a another surname Peidel who
      > > >> > > was a cousin
      > > >> > > of Peter.
      > > >> > > Both surnames were from Ugod which was located in
      > > >> > > Veszprim megye
      > > >> > > (county, Hungary.
      > > >> > >
      > > >> > > Several female surnames Boldizarova emigrated from
      > > >> > > Kl'ac^no (Sk)
      > > >> > > Nyitrafo" (H) in 1921.
      > > >> > >
      > > >> > > Several surnames Bolgacs also emigrated from
      > > >> > > Hungary.
      > > >> > > Bolgacs was a Hungarian spelling.
      > > >> > >
      > > >> > > Would conclude the surname Bolgacs was a Hungarian
      > > >> > > surname.
      > > >> > > (Magyar letter 'cs' is pron. ch)
      > > >> > > The surname is now found in Slovakia spelled as
      > > >> > > Bolgac^ (Bolgach)
      > > >> > > and Bolgac^ova (feminine gender form)
      > > >> > > This is consistent with a transliteration using
      > > >> > > Slovak diacritic
      > > >> > > letters (which Hungarian doesn't use)
      > > >> > > (Slovak letter 'c^' is pron. ch)
      > > >> > >
      > > >> > > The Hungarian surname Bolkdizar is now found in both
      > > >> > > western and
      > > >> > > eastern Slovakia spelled as Boldiz^ar/Boldiz^arova.
      > > >> > > (Slovak letter 'z^' is pron. zh)
      > > >> > >
      > > >> > >
      > > >> > >
      > > >> >
      > > >> >
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