Re: [S-R] two Vranovs-the endless story
- If the now already famous Gransmother was born in Vranovske Dlhe, then;
- when Rc, the records are of the Vranov n.Toplou parish
-when Ev, the records are of the Kladzany parish
-when Gc, then the records are of the Sedliska parish
So simple as that.
Now, where the people were actually going to chuch is another question. The above mentioned places were the seats of the parish office.
However, villages around did have and still have also their own churches, so called Filialky, where the rites were conducted, but no records made. After a baptism, marriage or death, a message or a messenger was sent to the parish office to make the appropriate records in the books.Imagine, some parishes were geographically extremely large, so it was just impossible for all people to go to the seat of the parish.
They had their own churches.
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank <frankur@...>
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] two vranovs?
--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Ron Milliken <rmilliken@s...>
> The 1877 Gazetteer of Hungary tells where the people of each village
> went to church. Since you said your grandmother was born in
> Dlhe, the entry for Varanno Hosszumezo (Vranovske Dlhe) will be the
> help: Roman Catholics went to church in Varanno (Vranov nad
> Greek Catholics went to church in Szedliszka (Sedliska), Lutherans
> to church in Kladzany, and Jews wend to synagogue in Varanno.
> It is interesting that in Varanno, only two miles from Vranovske
> Greek Catholics went to church in Csemernye-Varanno (Cemerne), and
> Lutherans went to church in Mernyik.
> If your grandmother was Roman Catholic or Greek Catholic, you may
> cousins also in the other church, as marriages between Roman
> and Greek Catholics were fairly common.
> Ron Milliken
Physically (administratively) today, Vranov, Vranovské Delhé, and
C^emrné are part of Vranov nad Topl'ou.
According to Slovakia Autoatlas , Vranov nad Topl'ou has 5 churches.
>From its location the church at Vranovské Delhé looks like it could
have been separate once.
Hencovce is located just east of Vranov nad Topl'ou.
Today, Hencovce is also part of Vranov nad Topl'ou.
Its G.C. records are also listed under Sedliská.
Sedliská was part of okres (district) Vranov nad Topl'ou.
Its church is located NE beyond Vranov nad Delhé.
Then there was the question of possible 'mixed marriages' as you
In Slovakia, Jewish records (whether community or synagogue) were
listed under a larger R.C. entity (church)
Catholic churches kept copies of Jewish records.
For example, a portion of the records for the Jewish Community
records for Rajec (near Z^ilina) have Druhopisy (Bishops' copy)
as a title.
These records start in 1787 and go through 1935, an unusually long
These records covered over 45 settlements located in the
general Z^ilina area.
The R.C. church in Z^ilina kept the Jewish records for Z^ilina and
another large number of other communities located to the east.
> mabensh wrote:
> > I am getting conflicting info from various sources. I am hoping
> > someone here can help clarify it. My grandmother was born in
> > Vranovske Dhle. One source told me this was near Bratislavia by
> > Hungarian and Polish borders. Another source has informed me that
> > the name was now Vranov Nad Toplou which is by Ukraine. I could
> > swear I had looked at a map showing it by Bratislavia. Are there
> > different places?
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