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  • sabinov@xxxxx.xxx
    It might be helpful if someone on here has used the 1828 Hungarian census could tell us about how you find the right film for the location you are searching,
    Message 1 of 19 , Jun 27, 1999
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      It might be helpful if someone on here has used the 1828 Hungarian
      census could tell us about how you find the right film for the location
      you are searching, and how it is to use.....

      I have looked in the catalog at the FHC as I would be interested in
      finding the film for Sabinov area, which was Kiz-Seben then, but
      couldn't seem to figure out which film to order. I have traced my family
      back then, and know they are there at that time, and the census surely
      would help put the families in perspective.

      Is everyone listed in the family, or only head of household?

      Maura

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      sabinov@...
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    • Andrea Vangor
      Thanks, Andy. I have the Hungarian county and village names and I m chasing a couple of families, so as soon as I get more data off the church records I will
      Message 2 of 19 , Jun 27, 1999
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        Thanks, Andy. I have the Hungarian county and village names and I'm chasing
        a couple of families, so as soon as I get more data off the church records I
        will order this film in. Good for those record-keeping Hungarians!

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Andy Verostko <averostko@...>
        To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
        Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 2:40 PM
        Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] 1828 Hungarian Census


        > From: Andy Verostko <averostko@...>
        >
        > Regarding the 1828 Census.
        >
        > Using the FHC library index catalog, look up Slovakia and then Census for
        > 1828.
        > Remember it is in Hungarian and you need to know first the province as
        > it was called in Hungarian and then the town name as it was then known in
        > Hungarian. The census is for all of Hungary and thus all the provinces of
        > Hungary
        > are also in the index.. If you know province of Saris = Saros or Abov =
        > Abauj or
        > Spis - Szeppes etc. Find your province and then find your town name
        > in that province. Order the film that covers your listing.
        >
        >
        > The census will contain the name of the household head only. Number of
        > adults, number of children, number of oxen. pigs, horses, amount of
        > property.
        > The census was primarily for tax purposes and defined the tax liability
        for
        > each house.
        >
        > It is possible that a name you want to find won't be listed if the family
        > name
        > is different from the head of house name. There were multiple families
        > living in most houses.
        >
        > What the census will do for you is confirm that someone of a certain name
        > was a household head in 1828 and that can be very useful information.
        >
        > --
        > Regards
        >
        > Andy Verostko
        >
        > averostko@...
        >
        > http://www.bealenet.com/~averostko/
        >
        > Researching Slovakia for:
        > "Vyrostko" from Baska and Polov, Abov province
        > "Kolesar" from Nizny and Vysny Klatov, Abov Province
        > "Balcik & Urban" from Kavecany, Saris Province
        > "Lesko & Rybar" from Smilno, Saris Province
        > "Rusnak" from Dvorce & Levoca, Spis Province
        > "Pscelar" from Hincovce & Levoca, Spis Province.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > sabinov@... wrote:
        >
        > > From: sabinov@...
        > >
        > > It might be helpful if someone on here has used the 1828 Hungarian
        > > census could tell us about how you find the right film for the location
        > > you are searching, and how it is to use.....
        > >
        > > I have looked in the catalog at the FHC as I would be interested in
        > > finding the film for Sabinov area, which was Kiz-Seben then, but
        > > couldn't seem to figure out which film to order. I have traced my family
        > > back then, and know they are there at that time, and the census surely
        > > would help put the families in perspective.
        > >
        > > Is everyone listed in the family, or only head of household?
        > >
        > > Maura
        >
        > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        > > Maura Petzolt Mobile Alabama USA
        > > sabinov@...
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      • Andy Verostko
        Regarding the 1828 Census. Using the FHC library index catalog, look up Slovakia and then Census for 1828. Remember it is in Hungarian and you need to know
        Message 3 of 19 , Jun 27, 1999
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          Regarding the 1828 Census.

          Using the FHC library index catalog, look up Slovakia and then Census for
          1828.
          Remember it is in Hungarian and you need to know first the province as
          it was called in Hungarian and then the town name as it was then known in
          Hungarian.� The census is for all of Hungary and thus all the provinces of
          Hungary
          are also in the index..� If you know province of Saris = Saros or Abov =
          Abauj� or
          Spis - Szeppes� etc.�� Find your province and then find your town name
          in that province.� Order the film that covers your listing.


          The census will contain the name of the household head only.�� Number of
          adults, number of children, number of oxen. pigs, horses, amount of
          property.
          The census was primarily for tax purposes and defined the tax liability for
          each house.

          It is possible that a name you want to find won't be listed if the family
          name
          is different from the head of house name.�� There were multiple families
          living in most houses.

          What the census will do for you is confirm that someone of a certain name
          was a household head in 1828 and that can be very useful information.

          --
          Regards

          Andy Verostko

          averostko@...

          http://www.bealenet.com/~averostko/

          Researching Slovakia for:
          ����������� "Vyrostko" from Baska and Polov, Abov province
          ����������� "Kolesar" from Nizny and Vysny Klatov, Abov Province
          ����������� "Balcik & Urban" from Kavecany, Saris Province
          ����������� "Lesko & Rybar" from Smilno, Saris Province
          ����������� "Rusnak" from Dvorce & Levoca, Spis Province
          ����������� "Pscelar" from Hincovce & Levoca, Spis Province.






          sabinov@... wrote:

          > From: sabinov@...
          >
          > It might be helpful if someone on here has used the 1828 Hungarian
          > census could tell us about how you find the right film for the location
          > you are searching, and how it is to use.....
          >
          > I have looked in the catalog at the FHC as I would be interested in
          > finding the film for Sabinov area, which was Kiz-Seben then, but
          > couldn't seem to figure out which film to order. I have traced my family
          > back then, and know they are there at that time, and the census surely
          > would help put the families in perspective.
          >
          > Is everyone listed in the family, or only head of household?
          >
          > Maura

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          > sabinov@...
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        • sabinov@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
          Hi Andy, and thanks for that information. This happened to be my Sunday to work at the FHC, and it was slow for a change, so I spent some time searching around
          Message 4 of 19 , Jun 27, 1999
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            Hi Andy, and thanks for that information.

            This happened to be my Sunday to work at the FHC, and it was slow for a
            change, so I spent some time searching around that census.

            I found that you can use the Search by Film/Fiche # function, and use
            0622941 to bring up this entry in the catalog.

            However, I hope someone can help me with my problem with this census for
            my family.....

            I went to Saros Megye, for Saris .... and it says towns are listed in
            alphabetical order..... but I find no Kis-Szeben, which is what the town
            of Sabinov was then.

            on film 0623099 they list Kis-Saros, Kis-Szilva, Kis-Vitz.... no
            Kis-Szeben.

            Was it called something else in 1828? I would think it would be on this
            film, but its not listed, and I don't want to order the wrong film.

            Any help or opinions out there?

            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            Maura Petzolt Mobile Alabama USA
            sabinov@...
            Helpful Hints for Successful Searching
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          • Al Stoffa
            Maura, I have a couple of other names for Sabinov in theat timeframe. Try Cibinium, Kis-Szeben, Zeben, Sabinow and Sebinow. Al Stoffa a_stoffa@yahoo.com
            Message 5 of 19 , Jun 27, 1999
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              Maura,

              I have a couple of other names for Sabinov in theat timeframe. Try
              Cibinium, Kis-Szeben, Zeben, Sabinow and Sebinow.

              Al Stoffa
              a_stoffa@...

              Researching STOFA and TOMAS from the Humenne, Zemplin area and GREGA
              (GREGOR) and DURICA from Slovakia. All to the Freeland, Luzerne Co., PA
              area 1880-1900.

              --- Maura Petzolt <sabinov@...> wrote:
              > From: sabinov@... (Maura Petzolt)
              >
              > Hi Andy, and thanks for that information.
              >
              > This happened to be my Sunday to work at the FHC, and it was slow for
              > a
              > change, so I spent some time searching around that census.
              >
              > I found that you can use the Search by Film/Fiche # function, and use
              > 0622941 to bring up this entry in the catalog.
              >
              > However, I hope someone can help me with my problem with this census
              > for
              > my family.....
              >
              > I went to Saros Megye, for Saris .... and it says towns are listed in
              > alphabetical order..... but I find no Kis-Szeben, which is what the
              > town
              > of Sabinov was then.
              >
              > on film 0623099 they list Kis-Saros, Kis-Szilva, Kis-Vitz.... no
              > Kis-Szeben.
              >
              > Was it called something else in 1828? I would think it would be on
              > this
              > film, but its not listed, and I don't want to order the wrong film.
              >
              > Any help or opinions out there?
              >
              > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
              > Maura Petzolt Mobile Alabama USA
              > sabinov@...
              > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching
              > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm
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            • Andy Verostko
              Maura -   Try film number 0623505.   Sabinov = Sabinov in Slovak Zeben in German kisszeben or szeben in Hungarian Cibinium in Latin. Since I have always in
              Message 6 of 19 , Jun 29, 1999
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                Maura -�� Try film number 0623505.�� Sabinov = Sabinov in Slovak
                Zeben in German
                kisszeben or szeben in Hungarian
                Cibinium in Latin.

                Since I have always in the past been l;ooking for small villages, I made
                and assumption that all towns within a province were listed under that
                province.� It ain't necessarily so.� It seems that the larger towns are
                listed after all the various provinces (Megye).�� Ingterestingly it does
                list Sabinov as " Cibiniun (Kisszeben)" and is on film number 0623505.

                It makes sense in way since the census data was for tax purposes and
                the data to be collected within a town where there were trades
                and businesses would be itemized differently than villages where
                you had only rural homes and farms.

                --
                Regards

                Andy Verostko

                averostko@...

                http://www.bealenet.com/~averostko/

                Researching Slovakia for:
                ����������� "Vyrostko" from Baska and Polov, Abov province
                ����������� "Kolesar" from Nizny and Vysny Klatov, Abov Province
                ����������� "Balcik & Urban" from Kavecany, Saris Province
                ����������� "Lesko & Rybar" from Smilno, Saris Province
                ����������� "Rusnak" from Dvorce & Levoca, Spis Province
                ����������� "Pscelar" from Hincovce & Levoca, Spis Province.




                Maura Petzolt wrote:

                > From: sabinov@... (Maura Petzolt)
                >
                > Hi Andy, and thanks for that information.
                >
                > This happened to be my Sunday to work at the FHC, and it was slow for a
                > change, so I spent some time searching around that census.
                >
                > I found that you can use the Search by Film/Fiche # function, and use
                > 0622941 to bring up this entry in the catalog.
                >
                > However, I hope someone can help me with my problem with this census for
                > my family.....
                >
                > I went to Saros Megye, for Saris .... and it says towns are listed in
                > alphabetical order..... but I find no Kis-Szeben, which is what the town
                > of Sabinov was then.
                >
                > on film 0623099 they list Kis-Saros, Kis-Szilva, Kis-Vitz.... no
                > Kis-Szeben.
                >
                > Was it called something else in 1828? I would think it would be on this
                > film, but its not listed, and I don't want to order the wrong film.
                >
                > Any help or opinions out there?
                >
                > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                > Maura Petzolt������������ Mobile Alabama USA
                > sabinov@...
                > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching
                > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm
                > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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              • Maura Petzolt
                I m getting ready to try and attack this topic again..... hoping someone can help me find what I am needing...... I need to find the appropriate film of the
                Message 7 of 19 , Jan 25, 2000
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                  I'm getting ready to try and attack this topic again..... hoping someone
                  can help me find what I am needing......

                  I need to find the appropriate film of the 1828 Hungarian Census for the
                  Sabinov area, which was Kis-Szeben and also in Latin Cibinium. This is
                  in Saros/Saris county.

                  I had checked the FHC catalog as suggested before, and couldn't find
                  this area listed at all for Sabinov. Luckily, I have done much with the
                  filmed church records, but I really need to get some other information
                  on the families involved from this census.

                  Does anyone know what else this area might be under, or how to find
                  Sabinov in these films?

                  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                  Maura Petzolt Mobile Alabama USA
                  sabinov@...
                  Helpful Hints for Successful Searching
                  http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm
                  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                • Al Stoffa
                  Maura, Other names for Sabinov: 1773 Cibinium, Szebeny, Zebn, Szabinow 1786 Cibinium, Kisch-Szebeny, Sabinow 1808 Cibinium, Kis-Szeben, Zeben, Sabinow, Sebinow
                  Message 8 of 19 , Jan 25, 2000
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                    Maura,

                    Other names for Sabinov:
                    1773 Cibinium, Szebeny, Zebn, Szabinow
                    1786 Cibinium, Kisch-Szebeny, Sabinow
                    1808 Cibinium, Kis-Szeben, Zeben, Sabinow, Sebinow
                    1863-1913 Kisszeben
                    1920 Sabinov, Sobinov
                    1927 Sabinov

                    Al Stoffa
                    a_stoffa@...

                    Researching STOFA and TOMAS from the Humenne, Zemplin area.
                    Researching GREGA(GREGOR) and DURICA(JURICA) from Slovakia.
                    All to the Freeland, Luzerne Co., PA area 1880-1900.
                    --- Maura Petzolt <sabinov@...> wrote:
                    > I'm getting ready to try and attack this topic again..... hoping
                    > someone
                    > can help me find what I am needing......
                    >
                    > I need to find the appropriate film of the 1828 Hungarian Census for
                    > the
                    > Sabinov area, which was Kis-Szeben and also in Latin Cibinium. This
                    > is
                    > in Saros/Saris county.
                    >
                    > I had checked the FHC catalog as suggested before, and couldn't find
                    > this area listed at all for Sabinov. Luckily, I have done much with
                    > the
                    > filmed church records, but I really need to get some other
                    > information
                    > on the families involved from this census.
                    >
                    > Does anyone know what else this area might be under, or how to find
                    > Sabinov in these films?
                    >
                    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                    > Maura Petzolt Mobile Alabama USA
                    > sabinov@...
                    > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching
                    > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm
                    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                    >
                    >
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                  • J. Michutka
                    ... Where do you find this info--is there some source that gives the various names of a town through the ages, or have you compiled this through your own
                    Message 9 of 19 , Jan 26, 2000
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                      At 05:19 PM 1/25/00 -0800, you wrote:
                      >From: Al Stoffa <a_stoffa@...>
                      >Other names for Sabinov:
                      >1773 Cibinium, Szebeny, Zebn, Szabinow
                      >1786 Cibinium, Kisch-Szebeny, Sabinow
                      >1808 Cibinium, Kis-Szeben, Zeben, Sabinow, Sebinow
                      >1863-1913 Kisszeben
                      >1920 Sabinov, Sobinov
                      >1927 Sabinov


                      Where do you find this info--is there some source that gives the various
                      names of a town through the ages, or have you compiled this through your
                      own research on this town?

                      Julie Michutka
                      jmm@...
                    • Andy Verostko
                      Julie Yes the info is available or can be available at your local FHC. Place names of Slovakia for the last 200 years, includes Hungarian and German Names. 3
                      Message 10 of 19 , Jan 26, 2000
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                        Julie
                        Yes the info is available or can be available at your
                        local FHC.

                        Place names of Slovakia for the last 200 years, includes
                        Hungarian and German Names. 3 volumes in Slovak with
                        summary in German and Russian.

                        Its available on microfilm 1181569 and is titled
                        Nazvy obci na Slovensku sa ostatnych dvesto rokov

                        Was printed in 1977



                        --

                        Regards

                        Andy Verostko

                        averostko@...

                        http://www.bealenet.com/~averostko


                        "J. Michutka" wrote:
                        >
                        > From: "J. Michutka" <jmm@...>
                        >
                        > At 05:19 PM 1/25/00 -0800, you wrote:
                        > >From: Al Stoffa <a_stoffa@...>
                        > >Other names for Sabinov:
                        > >1773 Cibinium, Szebeny, Zebn, Szabinow
                        > >1786 Cibinium, Kisch-Szebeny, Sabinow
                        > >1808 Cibinium, Kis-Szeben, Zeben, Sabinow, Sebinow
                        > >1863-1913 Kisszeben
                        > >1920 Sabinov, Sobinov
                        > >1927 Sabinov
                        >
                        > Where do you find this info--is there some source that gives the various
                        > names of a town through the ages, or have you compiled this through your
                        > own research on this town?
                        >
                        > Julie Michutka
                        > jmm@...
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                      • Al Stoffa
                        Julie, I received a book Na zvy obci Slovenskej Republicky by Milan Majtan from a friend in Slovakia. It lists place names from 1773-1997. Do you need a
                        Message 11 of 19 , Jan 26, 2000
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                          Julie,

                          I received a book "Na'zvy obci' Slovenskej Republicky" by Milan Majtan
                          from a friend in Slovakia. It lists place names from 1773-1997.

                          Do you need a particular lookup?

                          Al Stoffa
                          a_stoffa@...

                          Researching STOFA and TOMAS from the Humenne, Zemplin, area.
                          Researching GREGA (GREGOR) and DURICA (JURICA) from Slovakia.
                          All came to the Freeland, Luzerne Co., PA area 1880-1900.

                          --- "J. Michutka" <jmm@...> wrote:
                          > At 05:19 PM 1/25/00 -0800, you wrote:
                          > >From: Al Stoffa <a_stoffa@...>
                          > >Other names for Sabinov:
                          > >1773 Cibinium, Szebeny, Zebn, Szabinow
                          > >1786 Cibinium, Kisch-Szebeny, Sabinow
                          > >1808 Cibinium, Kis-Szeben, Zeben, Sabinow, Sebinow
                          > >1863-1913 Kisszeben
                          > >1920 Sabinov, Sobinov
                          > >1927 Sabinov
                          >
                          >
                          > Where do you find this info--is there some source that gives the
                          > various
                          > names of a town through the ages, or have you compiled this through
                          > your
                          > own research on this town?
                          >
                          > Julie Michutka
                          > jmm@...
                          >
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                        • Jim Honeychuck
                          Al, Not to butt in, but my family has a place name remembered (never written) only as Spis Stolica. Based on that book, and your knowledge, could Spis
                          Message 12 of 19 , Jan 26, 2000
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                            Al,

                            Not to butt in, but my family has a place name remembered (never written)
                            only as Spis Stolica. Based on that book, and your knowledge, could "Spis
                            Stolica" mean anything else but "Spis County?"

                            TIA

                            Jim Honeychuck
                            Researching Hanicak, Urban, Puhalla

                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Al Stoffa <a_stoffa@...>
                            To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
                            Cc: <jmm@...>
                            Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 3:38 PM
                            Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] 1828 Hungarian Census


                            > From: Al Stoffa <a_stoffa@...>
                            >
                            > Julie,
                            >
                            > I received a book "Na'zvy obci' Slovenskej Republicky" by Milan Majtan
                            > from a friend in Slovakia. It lists place names from 1773-1997.
                            >
                            > Do you need a particular lookup?
                            >
                            > Al Stoffa
                            > a_stoffa@...
                            >
                            > Researching STOFA and TOMAS from the Humenne, Zemplin, area.
                            > Researching GREGA (GREGOR) and DURICA (JURICA) from Slovakia.
                            > All came to the Freeland, Luzerne Co., PA area 1880-1900.
                            >
                            > --- "J. Michutka" <jmm@...> wrote:
                            > > At 05:19 PM 1/25/00 -0800, you wrote:
                            > > >From: Al Stoffa <a_stoffa@...>
                            > > >Other names for Sabinov:
                            > > >1773 Cibinium, Szebeny, Zebn, Szabinow
                            > > >1786 Cibinium, Kisch-Szebeny, Sabinow
                            > > >1808 Cibinium, Kis-Szeben, Zeben, Sabinow, Sebinow
                            > > >1863-1913 Kisszeben
                            > > >1920 Sabinov, Sobinov
                            > > >1927 Sabinov
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Where do you find this info--is there some source that gives the
                            > > various
                            > > names of a town through the ages, or have you compiled this through
                            > > your
                            > > own research on this town?
                            > >
                            > > Julie Michutka
                            > > jmm@...
                            > >
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                          • Joan Hendershot
                            Andy: Is the Nazvy obci na Slovensku on microfilm or microfische? If it is fische and you can buy it, it would be great to have. Joan
                            Message 13 of 19 , Jan 26, 2000
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                              Andy:

                              Is the Nazvy obci na Slovensku on microfilm or microfische?

                              If it is fische and you can buy it, it would be great to have.

                              Joan
                            • Andy Verostko
                              Its listed only as a Microfilm and the FHC does maintain ownership of both fische and film that can only be viewed at their site. Regartds Andy V......... ...
                              Message 14 of 19 , Jan 26, 2000
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                                Its listed only as a Microfilm and the FHC does maintain
                                ownership of both fische and film that can only be
                                viewed at their site.


                                Regartds Andy V.........

                                Joan Hendershot wrote:
                                >
                                > From: "Joan Hendershot" <jhender3@...>
                                >
                                > Andy:
                                >
                                > Is the Nazvy obci na Slovensku on microfilm or microfische?
                                >
                                > If it is fische and you can buy it, it would be great to have.
                                >
                                > Joan
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                              • Al Stoffa
                                Jim, I have a mountain named Stolica: Name Lattitude Longitude Feature Name STOLICA 48° 46 N 20° 13 E MOUNTAIN Not sure if it s in Spis county. Couldn t
                                Message 15 of 19 , Jan 26, 2000
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                                  Jim,

                                  I have a mountain named Stolica:

                                  Name Lattitude Longitude Feature Name
                                  STOLICA 48� 46' N 20� 13' E MOUNTAIN

                                  Not sure if it's in Spis county. Couldn't find anything else
                                  historically or currently with the name.

                                  Al

                                  --- Jim Honeychuck <jimhoney@...> wrote:
                                  > Al,
                                  >
                                  > Not to butt in, but my family has a place name remembered (never
                                  > written)
                                  > only as Spis Stolica. Based on that book, and your knowledge, could
                                  > "Spis
                                  > Stolica" mean anything else but "Spis County?"
                                  >
                                  > TIA
                                  >
                                  > Jim Honeychuck
                                  > Researching Hanicak, Urban, Puhalla
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: Al Stoffa <a_stoffa@...>
                                  > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@onelist.com>
                                  > Cc: <jmm@...>
                                  > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 3:38 PM
                                  > Subject: Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] 1828 Hungarian Census
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > > From: Al Stoffa <a_stoffa@...>
                                  > >
                                  > > Julie,
                                  > >
                                  > > I received a book "Na'zvy obci' Slovenskej Republicky" by Milan
                                  > Majtan
                                  > > from a friend in Slovakia. It lists place names from 1773-1997.
                                  > >
                                  > > Do you need a particular lookup?
                                  > >
                                  > > Al Stoffa
                                  > > a_stoffa@...
                                  > >
                                  > > Researching STOFA and TOMAS from the Humenne, Zemplin, area.
                                  > > Researching GREGA (GREGOR) and DURICA (JURICA) from Slovakia.
                                  > > All came to the Freeland, Luzerne Co., PA area 1880-1900.
                                  > >
                                  > > --- "J. Michutka" <jmm@...> wrote:
                                  > > > At 05:19 PM 1/25/00 -0800, you wrote:
                                  > > > >From: Al Stoffa <a_stoffa@...>
                                  > > > >Other names for Sabinov:
                                  > > > >1773 Cibinium, Szebeny, Zebn, Szabinow
                                  > > > >1786 Cibinium, Kisch-Szebeny, Sabinow
                                  > > > >1808 Cibinium, Kis-Szeben, Zeben, Sabinow, Sebinow
                                  > > > >1863-1913 Kisszeben
                                  > > > >1920 Sabinov, Sobinov
                                  > > > >1927 Sabinov
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Where do you find this info--is there some source that gives the
                                  > > > various
                                  > > > names of a town through the ages, or have you compiled this
                                  > through
                                  > > > your
                                  > > > own research on this town?
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Julie Michutka
                                  > > > jmm@...
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                                • jtgen96
                                  I was looking at some of the oldest messages on this site and found reference to the 1828 Hungarian census. This caused me to wonder if it might be accessible
                                  Message 16 of 19 , Apr 17, 2010
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                                    I was looking at some of the oldest messages on this site and found reference to the 1828 Hungarian census. This caused me to wonder if it might be accessible to me and if so would it possibly provide some information we are seeking.

                                    We are looking for birth records of my husband's great-grandfather. Records, the 1869 Hungarian census, we have found say he was born in Piszana. Calculating back from his death record, which we have found, the year would have been about 1825.

                                    Piszana records at the FHL start in 1860 and we have been told that records from Piszana prior to this were destroyed in WWII in a big fight between the Russian and German Army.

                                    If we could access the 1828 census we might have some "back hand" verification that great grandfather's birth did occur in Piszana and we would also have the names of his mother and father and any older siblings. We do not have any of this at this time.

                                    Any thought regarding the feasibility of the above?

                                    I suppose searching this record for our ancestor, if we could get it, would be daunting as we know nothing about Hungarian??????
                                  • CurtB
                                    The 1828 Hungarian census is not a population census, but a census of taxpayers only. It does not show relationships that you are seeking, but may have the
                                    Message 17 of 19 , Apr 17, 2010
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                                      The 1828 Hungarian census is not a population census, but a census of taxpayers only. It does not show relationships that you are seeking, but may have the family name appearing among the taxpayers in the village. Remember, most people didn't pay taxes.

                                      Much of the census (all headings) is in Latin, the rest Hungarian, but personal names are readable.

                                      Curt B.



                                      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "jtgen96" <jtgen96@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > I was looking at some of the oldest messages on this site and found reference to the 1828 Hungarian census. This caused me to wonder if it might be accessible to me and if so would it possibly provide some information we are seeking.
                                      >
                                      > We are looking for birth records of my husband's great-grandfather. Records, the 1869 Hungarian census, we have found say he was born in Piszana. Calculating back from his death record, which we have found, the year would have been about 1825.
                                      >
                                      > Piszana records at the FHL start in 1860 and we have been told that records from Piszana prior to this were destroyed in WWII in a big fight between the Russian and German Army.
                                      >
                                      > If we could access the 1828 census we might have some "back hand" verification that great grandfather's birth did occur in Piszana and we would also have the names of his mother and father and any older siblings. We do not have any of this at this time.
                                      >
                                      > Any thought regarding the feasibility of the above?
                                      >
                                      > I suppose searching this record for our ancestor, if we could get it, would be daunting as we know nothing about Hungarian??????
                                      >
                                    • CurtB
                                      Message 18 of 19 , Apr 17, 2010
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                                        --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "jtgen96" <jtgen96@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > I was looking at some of the oldest messages on this site and found reference to the 1828 Hungarian census. This caused me to wonder if it might be accessible to me and if so would it possibly provide some information we are seeking.
                                        >
                                        > We are looking for birth records of my husband's great-grandfather. Records, the 1869 Hungarian census, we have found say he was born in Piszana. Calculating back from his death record, which we have found, the year would have been about 1825.
                                        >
                                        > Piszana records at the FHL start in 1860 and we have been told that records from Piszana prior to this were destroyed in WWII in a big fight between the Russian and German Army.
                                        >
                                        > If we could access the 1828 census we might have some "back hand" verification that great grandfather's birth did occur in Piszana and we would also have the names of his mother and father and any older siblings. We do not have any of this at this time.
                                        >
                                        > Any thought regarding the feasibility of the above?
                                        >
                                        > I suppose searching this record for our ancestor, if we could get it, would be daunting as we know nothing about Hungarian??????
                                        >
                                      • Bill Tarkulich
                                        Not difficult at all. The Family History Library has selected territories microfilmed. For a small fee you can view them personally. Records are organized in
                                        Message 19 of 19 , Apr 18, 2010
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                                          Not difficult at all.
                                          The Family History Library has selected territories microfilmed. For a
                                          small fee you can view them personally.
                                          Records are organized in columnar fashion, with column headings( "headers")
                                          being decoded/translated to English. With this header translation, reading
                                          the census is quite straightforward and easy.
                                          http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/census_1775_1828_examples.htm


                                          Bill


                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                                          Behalf Of jtgen96
                                          Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 10:57 PM
                                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [S-R] 1828 Hungarian Census

                                          I was looking at some of the oldest messages on this site and found
                                          reference to the 1828 Hungarian census. This caused me to wonder if it
                                          might be accessible to me and if so would it possibly provide some
                                          information we are seeking.

                                          We are looking for birth records of my husband's great-grandfather.
                                          Records, the 1869 Hungarian census, we have found say he was born in
                                          Piszana. Calculating back from his death record, which we have found, the
                                          year would have been about 1825.

                                          Piszana records at the FHL start in 1860 and we have been told that records
                                          from Piszana prior to this were destroyed in WWII in a big fight between the
                                          Russian and German Army.

                                          If we could access the 1828 census we might have some "back hand"
                                          verification that great grandfather's birth did occur in Piszana and we
                                          would also have the names of his mother and father and any older siblings.
                                          We do not have any of this at this time.

                                          Any thought regarding the feasibility of the above?

                                          I suppose searching this record for our ancestor, if we could get it, would
                                          be daunting as we know nothing about Hungarian??????



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