Early Slovak records - Was: [S-R] Jakubec Family help
- What are the earliest known Slovak genealogy records? Did the 624 A.D. date start any record keeping?
American Fork, Utah
>>> frankur@... 10/17/2002 7:17:07 AM >>>
--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@y..., "Konekta" wrote:
> I just like to add, that both, personal names and place names, in
use among ordinary people, were slovak.
> Only for the official use, these names were in hungarian.
> I see no good reason to continue with magyarisation now, so I always
use the slovak spelling for slovak names.
> Only when researching Ellis Island records, one has to take account
> If a person named Stefan Krajci was coming from the Austrian part of
the empire, his name was Stefan or Stephan Krajci. But, if he was
coming from the hungarian part, he was Istvan Krajcsi.
> Of course, in the Church Records, we find names in all variations;
slovak, latin, hungarian and german.
> But, Slovaks were always Slovaks.
> Although, this term is a very wide one.
> The current population of Slovakia are descendants of;
> ancient Slovaks or Slavs, Germans, Czech,Poles, Jews,Russians,
Rusyns,Ukrainians, Romanians, Hungarians,Gipsies, Croats,
Serbs,Swiss,British, Italian, French,(and one Slovene) to name just
the most important ones.
> I have seen records of all those ethnics in the old Church Records.
> The common denominator for most of them (not all), that found
themselves on the territory of present Slovakia (there was a lot of
migration in all directions in all times), was the slovak language,
that was adopted by those, who came from other places.Although, they
were living in a hungarian state.
> This was the base for the Slovak Nation. The language.
> Now, to tell, who is an ethnic Slovak, and who not....., I haven't
seen this yet.
> So, Slovakia is as multi ethnic as US, in a way. What can we learn
from US in this respect?
> Well, sorry, it wasn't meant this way, but it turned out this way.
> I find this quite a fascinating challenge.
You make a number of good points.
But, it depends in which country the researcher is a resident.
The Slovaks were the first nation to establish an independent state
in Central Europe about 624 A.D.
The territory of Slovakia was once ruled by Slovak Kings.
The Czechs were under the rule of the Slovaks from about 889 A.D.
to 894 A.D.
In the 10th c the Slovak Kingdom was destroyed by an alliance of
Magyars, Czechs and Germans.
(The Czechs and the Magyars both deny that there were ever any Slovak
kings or Slovak nation)
Nevertheless, the Magyars ruled Slovakia from 906 A.D. to 1918 A.D.,
nearly a thousand years !
Most Americans use the LDS-Mormons microfilms of the parish church
records to research their surnames.
These were written in Latin and Hungarian.
Sometimes in German or Ruthenian.
(Usually only the film headers are written in Slovak)
So regardless of the social reality, the place names and personal
names tend to be in Hungarian.
And in the emigrant ship manifests many Slovak first names/ surnames
are listed under their Hungarian spellings rather than the Slovak
versions (even after the introduction of diacritic letters to the
Slovak language in the mid 1800s)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Frank
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@y...
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-R] Jakubec Family help
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@y..., "Bonnie Richards"
> > Frank,
> > Thank-you for the update. My Granny said that Szilvas-Ujfalu
> > new village or sometning like a common garden snake. Does any
> this sound
> > right?
> > Aloha,
> > Bonnie
> Thought I had replied to the above but I don't see my message.
> Will try again.
> Before WW I villages in Slovakia and elsewhere in Hungary had
> Hungarian places names.
> A common place name ending was új meaning 'new' and falu/falva
> meaning 'village'.
> Equivalent to 'new town' in English.
> After WW I the Magyar place names in Slovakia were converted to
> Some in a word for word conversion and some with new place names.
> Many villages used Hungarian given names as identifiers.
> For example, Jakabujfalu (Jacob's new village)
> I just selected the closest first name to word the Szlivas (i.e.,
> In Hungarian 'szilva' means plum.
> Slivka (damson plum) and sliva (plum) in Slovak and slíva in
> Expect your GM was correct.
> Szilvásújfalu meant new village (which probably grew) plums.
> Hence Slivník in Slovak.
> Slivovitz/slivovic is a colorless but potent Eastern European
> made from plums derived from the word s^ljiva (plum)
> In Slovak 'slivovica' means slivovitz.
> The languages change but the ethnic tastes remain the same.
> Incidentally , while its church was R.C., in 1806 Slivník was a
> Carpatho-Rusyn village (G.C.)
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