Re: [S-R] How do I find out where Paloncza, Hungary was in 1910?
- Dear Susan,
Paloncza is Plavnica. It is the Hugarian spelling.
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From: "barclaypenn" <barclaypenn@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:55 PM
Subject: [S-R] How do I find out where Paloncza, Hungary was in 1910?
> I did a cursory search of the Ellis Island records online and found
> that a person who could be my grandmother, Zusannna, or Zuzanna,
> Lincsa, entered Ellis Island twice; in 1909 & 1910.
> Her residence is listed as Paloncza, Hungary, both times. Her
> sister, Anna Lincsa, is listed to have come from Plavnica,(Slovakia
> is not mentioned), as did Zusanna's future second husband, Stefan
> Pruzinsky. I always assumed that my grandmother was also from
> Plavnica. However, she used to tell us that she had attended school
> in Budapest, so she may have not stayed in Plavnica.
> Paloncza does not appear on any of the modern maps I have of Slovakia
> or Hungary. How could I locate this town?
> Also, if my grandmother is listed as coming through Ellis Island
> twice in a year's time, could she have been sent back the first time?
> Susan Friedhaber-Hard
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- "John M." wrote:
> At 12:55 AM 8/5/02 +0000, you wrote:Plavnica ia 6 km southeast of Stara' L'ubovn^a, 36 km west of Bardejov, and 10
> >I did a cursory search of the Ellis Island records online and found
> >that a person who could be my grandmother, Zusannna, or Zuzanna,
> >Lincsa, entered Ellis Island twice; in 1909 & 1910.
> > Her residence is listed as Paloncza, Hungary, both times. Her
> >sister, Anna Lincsa, is listed to have come from Plavnica,(Slovakia
> >is not mentioned),
> Plavnica, in what is northeast Slovakia now, was known as Palonca from
> 1907-1913. Slovakia did not exist until after WWI. Prior to that, the
> area was known as Upper Hungary and was part of Hungary for about 800 years.
km south of the Polish border.
>"Cute" - no??
> >as did Zusanna's future second husband, Stefan Pruzinsky. I always assumed
> >that my grandmother was also from Plavnica. However, she used to tell us
> >that she had attended school in Budapest, so she may have not stayed in
> Budapest is quite some distance from Plavnica (about 120 air miles). The
> manifest shows that her contact in Hungary was her father Andras who lived
> in Paloncza, Saros (county) Hungary. If her family, lived in Budapest for a
> time she might have attended school there. Otherwise, it might have been
> more likely she attended a school in Plavnica where students were required
> to be taught in Hungarian in an effort to Magyarize the population. Was
> the family Roman or Greek Catholic? My B-I-L's father is from Plavnica.
> Also, if my grandmother is listed as coming through Ellis Island twice in a
> year's time, could she have been sent back the first time?
> The 1909 Zuzana is shown going to her brother-in-law's in Johnsonburg(?),
> Pa. There doesn't appear to be any indication of deportation. The 1910
> Zuzana's original manifest is missing and would require a search
> using http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/ellis.html to find the
> manifest for the SS President Grant to ascertain that the two Zuzana Lincsa
> are the same. The EIDB lists it arriving 4/21/1910 but the Cimoreli site
> http://www.cimorelli.com/ shows it arriving on 4/20/1910. I know that in
> the case of one of my grandmothers, another child with the same name was
> born in the same week of December but to two different father's with the
> same surname.
The same thing happened with my family, the brothers Matthew (1) and Michael (2)
Karkniak both had daughters born in January 1790 and both named them Susanna - -
- (1) 23 Jan 1790 and (2) 14 Jan 1790. One of the "Susanna" children died 18
October 1792, the other is a grandparent but which one, I cannot determine.