Re: [S-R] Jacob Schuck m. Mary Siebold
- Dear Fran,
In cases like this, you are allowed to assume. Assumption is one of the most important genealogical tools.
What you have now is three surnames, that have something in common.
In such cases I use Ellis Island to find an idirect lead.
Let us presume, the Schucks did not live in every town. The same with the other surnames.
Let us also presume, Jacob Schuck did not marry just any german girl but one, that was close to his mentality, which would mean, her parents were probably from the same area in Germany or Prussia.
It is also very probable, that Frederika Prince was from the same area or town as Georg Siebold.
Now, if you have time and motivation, you can go and analyze the Ellis Island data, where the Schucks came from, and make the list of places. The same you do with other two surnames.
Then you compare the three lists.
First you look whether there is any place, that is common to all three surnames. If negative, then find and mark all the places you found on a good map and see, if there are any places, very close to each other.
Such places come in question for record research.
I think, you should not research Ellis Island later than 1914. The WW1 has mixed so many people, that this would not be good any more.
With this system I have solved several "hopeless"cases.
I hope, I gave you and some others an idea.
----- Original Message -----
From: Fran M Roen
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] Jacob Schuck m. Mary Siebold
I think it is hopeless. According to the ship manifest he came along in
1858. He appears on the Wisc. 1860 Census a single man, labor. Then
in 1861 he enlisted in the Wisc. Cal. as a Bugler. According to his
pension he was out in 1865 and then married a Mary Siebold b. in Mass.
her father, George Siebold was from Germany as was her mother Barbara
Fredricka Prince. Jacob and his wife soon moved to MN. I have gotten
all the children's death cert. hopeing to find a bit of stray info. about
where in Germany he may have come from but nothing. 10 months before he
died Jacob became a citizen. On his papers it simply says, he was from
Germany. On two census records it says he was from Prussia.
According to the New York Times , January 27, 1858)
the ship arrived in New York, January 26
"Ship Morning Star (of Boston,) [captain] Foster, Havre, 31 ds
with mdse and 114 passengers to [agents] Crosby, Crocker & Co.
From 1st to 10th January, in lat 46 lon 23 had constant heavy gales
from W.S.W to W.N.W., was most of the time under close reefed
maintopsail; have been since as far south at lat 30."
[Latitude 30 is approximatelty the latitude of Jacksonville, Florida
so the ship was certainly blown far south]
I don't think Ellis Island will be of any help in this case.
So you may be right it coul be a lost cause. Still any suggestions are
more then welcomed.
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:28:11 +0200 "Konekta" <konekta@...> writes:
> Dear Fran,
> This is very early, 1858. Are you sure about this year? Also, for a
> German, Le Havre is a bit unusual.
> The only thing that might help you is his wife. Otherwise, this case
> is hopeless.
> Provided, there are no other documents like marriage or death
> certificate or maybe naturalization papers available.Sometimes, such
> documents of his children reveal some more data.
> Another, more tedious method is to use Ellis Island data basa and
> see ( although you did not say, what do you want to find out), where
> the Schucks in general were coming from.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fran M Roen
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 11:57 PM
> Subject: [S-R] Jacob Schuck
> This is what I have on one of my relations.
> Schuck, Jacob Age : 20
> Country of Origin : Germany
> Arrival Date : Jan 27, 1858
> Final Destination : United States
> Port of Embarkation : Havre
> Ship's Name : Morning Star
> Occupation : Farmer
> Gender : Male
> Captain's Name : W. L. Foster
> Purpose for Travel : Staying in the USA
> Mode of Travel : Steerage
> Manifest ID Number : 00009172
> According to the GtoA CD , no other Schucks were traveling with
> Does anyone have any ideas on where I can go from here?
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Take Care
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