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Re: Slovak Names - Italian Connection

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  • frankly1us
    ... hin the greater country. The army at the time had a policy in times of peace= of stationing troops away from their own ethnic areas, for example,
    Message 1 of 2 , Apr 1, 2002
      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@y..., "Ron Matviyak" <amiak@a...> wrote:
      > When it comes to non-Slovak sounding names it is worth remembering that
      > Austria-Hungary was a multi-national state and people did move around wit=
      > the greater country. The army at the time had a policy in times of peace=
      > stationing troops away from their own ethnic areas, for example, putting
      > Hungarian and Czech troops in the Italian area, and putting Italians and
      > Austrians in the Slovak area. This was driven home to me when I met a
      > Slovak named Balzano. This contrasts greatly with the Italian writer nam=
      > Alberto Moravia, and served to drive home the idea of ethnic mingling wit=
      > the old empire. It is only lately that I looked up Moravia's name and ca=
      > up with "Alberto Pincherle (Alberto Moravia) was born in Rome into a
      > well-to-do middle-class Jewish-Catholic family. " Ok, so Moravia was an
      > adapted name, but this Roman has a fine south-German ending with "erle" i=
      > Pincherle.
      > What do the rest of you think of this mixing of ethnic names within the
      > empire? Do you see many indications of it?


      Do you remember the messages posted about 'Mongolian blue spots' at anothe=
      r Slovakia ethnic site, back in the good old days of the Internet ?

      Prior to WW I (1914-1918) the armies of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy
      were composed of three separate armies; the common army, which was
      recruited from both the German and Hungarian portions of the Empire,
      the Austrian Landwehr, which was recruited the so-called German
      provinces of the Empire, which in practice contained Poles, Ukrainians,
      Slovenians and Czechs and the Hungarian Landwehr (Honved), recruited
      from the Hungarian administered provinces of the Empire (e.g.
      Croatia-Slavonia and Slovakia)

      During wartime all three forces merged together, the only difference
      actually being the names of the individual regiments.
      The regiments of the common army were designated "Imperial and Royal" - kai=
      serlich und königlich or k.u.k. .
      The Austrian Landwehr regiments were titled "Imperial and Royal"
      kaiserlich und königlich or k.u.k.
      Finally the Landwehr (Honvéd) were styled "Royal Hungarian"
      königlich ungarisch or k.u.
      But, it was not independent because the formation of the Hungarian
      Army (Magyar Honvédség) was as part of the common army (referred to
      above) and not a separate entity.

      It is my understanding that if surname was Slovak ethnicity he would
      have served in the Hungarian Army for his military service and not in
      the Austrian Army.
      If from Upper-Hungary (Slovakia) it was likely the surname served
      in a Hungarian unit, but not necessarily a unit stationed close to home.
      My paternal GF served in the Hungarian cavalry and in his home region.
      All Hungarian cavalry unit were Hussars.

      For last word on this subject, subscribe to AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN-MILITARY-L@roo=

      Frank Kurcina

      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: frankly1us <frankur@a...>
      > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@y...>
      > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 5:30 AM
      > Subject: Re: [S-R] Slovak Names
      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@y..., SantiDClaireS@a... wrote:
      > > Hi to all you experts,
      > > I finally have found an alternative spelling to my grandfather's surnam=
      > > SANTI. I found the church where an uncle married in Pennsylvania and wr=
      > e
      > > for more information. They sent me death information on my grandparents=
      , =
      > > which is something I had been looking for. The church records my grandf=
      > her
      > > as Michael Santi but my grandmother's name is written as Elizabeth Sant=
      > .
      > > Out of 23 entries, that spelling is used 4 times. My uncles name is spe=
      > ed
      > > that way on his marriage entry, but spelled without the j on the baptis=
      m =
      > > entries for five children. It is also spelled Santij for the marriage o=
      f =
      > my
      > > aunt and also for another woman who I think is a cousin. My question, i=
      s =
      > this
      > > more in the line of "proper" Slovak spelling since everyone keeps telli=
      > me
      > > that Santi is not a Slovak name.
      > > Also along same line, as I understand some of the posts that I read, sk=
      a =
      > is a
      > > feminine ending so if my grandmother's maiden name is given as Petruska=
      , =
      > the
      > > family name is really Petru?
      > > I have no village or town information, have sent for death certificates=

      > > hoping that the informant knew where grandparents were born. If it was =
      > eir
      > > oldest son, he should know since he was born in Austria Hungary also,
      > > although he was brought to US as a two year old. I'm still looking for
      > > immigration information so all I have is census info. 1900 census gives=
      > lace
      > > of birth as Hungary but all the rest say Austria.
      > > Any input is gratefully accepted. TIA Sandy
      > Santij looks like a Slavic surname spelling.
      > In Hungarian and most Slavic languages the letter j is pron. y.
      > In Slavic surnames the letters i/y are usually interchangeable.
      > There is a surname Santaj in Slovakia from around Lúc^ka (Roz^nava)
      > This doesn't mean it was your surname.
      > The Czech Republic never permitted the LDS to film records in Czech-Bohem=
      > .
      > Have transliterated surname records from Czech Archives and their narrati=
      > reports are written in Czech, while the actual records are usually trilin=
      > al,
      > i.e., Czech-Latin-German.
      > Czech Republic and Slovakia are two separate countries, nothwithstanding
      > they were once Czechoslovakia 1920-1938 and 1945-1993.
      > The pre-1895 records from the Slovak State Archives (and LDS)
      > are written in Latin and Hungarian.
      > Whether 1900/1910/1920 U.S. Censuses list Austria or Hungary as birthplac=
      e =
      > means very little.
      > Actual birth place could have been located somewhere between Austria and =
      > ntenegro in the Balkans ?
      > Austria-Hungary, one of the largest countries of Europe in the 19th centu=
      > , was split
      > into many countries (Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Roman=
      > , the Soviet
      > Union, Poland, Italy etc.) at the end of World War I (1918).
      > When talking about people of Hungarian nationality it means that at leas=
      t =
      > 50% of
      > Hungarians became citizens of countries other than Hungary (Romania, Slov=
      > ia, Yugoslavia,
      > the Soviet Union, Austria etc)
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