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  • SantiDClaireS@aol.com
    Hi, I was just reading the posts about everyone being related to everyone else in the same small village. You know if you think about it if someone was born
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      Hi, I was just reading the posts about everyone being related to everyone
      else in the same small village. You know if you think about it if someone
      was born and raised in the same small village as their father and grandfather
      for several generations back and few traveled even to another village only 10
      or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it must have taken for some of our
      fathers and grandfathers to not only leave their village but travel thousands
      of miles to a completely new country. It is no wonder that they tended to
      congregate in the same communities when they arrived in a strange new world.
      Just some thoughts. Sandy


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    • Ron Matviyak
      Santi, There is also a tradition that have not been mentioned in this thread, and must be considered. Slovaks had a long tradition of sending out Tinkers, not
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        Santi,

        There is also a tradition that have not been mentioned in this thread, and
        must be considered. Slovaks had a long tradition of sending out Tinkers,
        not only locally but also internationally, and they could return seasonally
        or only every few years, all dependent upon economics and ties to family and
        village. Through the tinkers there was supposed to be quite a bit of
        cultural cross-fertilization. So it wasn't just passing soldiers who might
        have brought some fresh genes to the village pool, or new ideas to remote
        areas. The other activity seemed to be primarily seasonal migrant labor
        from the highlands to the lowlands of Hungary to bring (as today) hard
        earned cash from wherever work could be found. One of the crises Hungary
        and Czechoslovakia faced after WW I was the surplus of labor in Slovakia and
        the loss of seasonal workers in Hungary.

        None of that is to argue against most of the village population staying put,
        close to home. We must just recognize that some people did travel and bring
        new money and new ideas home, and maybe the new wife from the village not so
        far away.

        Ron



        ----- Original Message -----
        From: <SantiDClaireS@...>
        To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 10:02 AM
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village


        > Hi, I was just reading the posts about everyone being related to everyone
        > else in the same small village. You know if you think about it if someone
        > was born and raised in the same small village as their father and
        grandfather
        > for several generations back and few traveled even to another village only
        10
        > or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it must have taken for some of our
        > fathers and grandfathers to not only leave their village but travel
        thousands
        > of miles to a completely new country. It is no wonder that they tended to
        > congregate in the same communities when they arrived in a strange new
        world.
        > Just some thoughts. Sandy
        >
        >
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      • Caye Caswick
        Question, by tinkers do you mean the folks (I ve heard the term traveling in Ireland) in those colorful horse-drawn carts, the people I actually thought were
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          Question, by "tinkers" do you mean the folks (I've
          heard the term traveling in Ireland) in those colorful
          horse-drawn carts, the people I actually thought were
          originally called Gypsies? If not, could you please
          explain the term tinker? Thanks!

          Caye



          --- Ron Matviyak <amiak@...> wrote:
          > Santi,
          >
          > There is also a tradition that have not been
          > mentioned in this thread, and
          > must be considered. Slovaks had a long tradition of
          > sending out Tinkers,
          > not only locally but also internationally, and they
          > could return seasonally
          > or only every few years, all dependent upon
          > economics and ties to family and
          > village. Through the tinkers there was supposed to
          > be quite a bit of
          > cultural cross-fertilization. So it wasn't just
          > passing soldiers who might
          > have brought some fresh genes to the village pool,
          > or new ideas to remote
          > areas. The other activity seemed to be primarily
          > seasonal migrant labor
          > from the highlands to the lowlands of Hungary to
          > bring (as today) hard
          > earned cash from wherever work could be found. One
          > of the crises Hungary
          > and Czechoslovakia faced after WW I was the surplus
          > of labor in Slovakia and
          > the loss of seasonal workers in Hungary.
          >
          > None of that is to argue against most of the village
          > population staying put,
          > close to home. We must just recognize that some
          > people did travel and bring
          > new money and new ideas home, and maybe the new wife
          > from the village not so
          > far away.
          >
          > Ron
          >
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: <SantiDClaireS@...>
          > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 10:02 AM
          > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village
          >
          >
          > > Hi, I was just reading the posts about everyone
          > being related to everyone
          > > else in the same small village. You know if you
          > think about it if someone
          > > was born and raised in the same small village as
          > their father and
          > grandfather
          > > for several generations back and few traveled even
          > to another village only
          > 10
          > > or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it must have
          > taken for some of our
          > > fathers and grandfathers to not only leave their
          > village but travel
          > thousands
          > > of miles to a completely new country. It is no
          > wonder that they tended to
          > > congregate in the same communities when they
          > arrived in a strange new
          > world.
          > > Just some thoughts. Sandy
          > >
          > >
          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
          > removed]
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          > >
          > >
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        • Caye Caswick
          I d like to think my grandmother was spurred on by either money or lack thereof -- so I suppose the opportunities outweighed the none. My gram traveled along;
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            I'd like to think my grandmother was spurred on by
            either money or lack thereof -- so I suppose the
            opportunities outweighed the none. My gram traveled
            along; however, she did know folks who preceded her.

            Caye


            --- SantiDClaireS@... wrote:
            > Hi, I was just reading the posts about everyone
            > being related to everyone
            > else in the same small village. You know if you
            > think about it if someone
            > was born and raised in the same small village as
            > their father and grandfather
            > for several generations back and few traveled even
            > to another village only 10
            > or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it must have
            > taken for some of our
            > fathers and grandfathers to not only leave their
            > village but travel thousands
            > of miles to a completely new country. It is no
            > wonder that they tended to
            > congregate in the same communities when they arrived
            > in a strange new world.
            > Just some thoughts. Sandy
            >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been
            > removed]
            >
            >


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          • Marty
            Caye Caswick wrote: I d like to think my grandmother was spurred on by either money or lack thereof -- so I suppose the opportunities
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              Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
              I'd like to think my grandmother was spurred on by
              either money or lack thereof -- so I suppose the
              opportunities outweighed the none. My gram traveled
              along; however, she did know folks who preceded her.

              Caye


              --- SantiDClaireS@... wrote:
              > Hi, I was just reading the posts about everyone
              > being related to everyone
              > else in the same small village. You know if you
              > think about it if someone
              > was born and raised in the same small village as
              > their father and grandfather
              > for several generations back and few traveled even
              > to another village only 10
              > or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it must have
              > taken for some of our
              > fathers and grandfathers to not only leave their
              > village but travel thousands
              > of miles to a completely new country. It is no
              > wonder that they tended to
              > congregate in the same communities when they arrived
              > in a strange new world.
              > Just some thoughts. Sandy
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been
              > removed]
              >
              >

              Hi On that subject my father always impressed upon me the great courage that it took for his mother to leave Slovakia on her own at the age of 19_to travel to a strange country and probably never see her own family again what heroic people they were.._________________________________________________
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            • Caye Caswick
              Wow, just caught my typ-o -- my grandmother did travel along, but she did it ALONE, that was my point. I believe I remember her telling me she was about 14 or
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                Wow, just caught my typ-o -- my grandmother did travel
                along, but she did it ALONE, that was my point. I
                believe I remember her telling me she was about 14 or
                15. No one I ever remembered ever said grandma was
                weak, shy or wimpy, to the contrary, her temper was
                pretty well known.



                --- Marty <halfslovak@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                > I'd like to think my grandmother was spurred on by
                > either money or lack thereof -- so I suppose the
                > opportunities outweighed the none. My gram traveled
                > along; however, she did know folks who preceded her.
                >
                > Caye
                >
                >
                > --- SantiDClaireS@... wrote:
                > > Hi, I was just reading the posts about everyone
                > > being related to everyone
                > > else in the same small village. You know if you
                > > think about it if someone
                > > was born and raised in the same small village as
                > > their father and grandfather
                > > for several generations back and few traveled even
                > > to another village only 10
                > > or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it must have
                > > taken for some of our
                > > fathers and grandfathers to not only leave their
                > > village but travel thousands
                > > of miles to a completely new country. It is no
                > > wonder that they tended to
                > > congregate in the same communities when they
                > arrived
                > > in a strange new world.
                > > Just some thoughts. Sandy
                > >
                > >
                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                > > removed]
                > >
                > >
                >
                > Hi On that subject my father always impressed upon
                > me the great courage that it took for his mother to
                > leave Slovakia on her own at the age of 19_to travel
                > to a strange country and probably never see her own
                > family again what heroic people they
                >
                were.._________________________________________________
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              • Marty
                I agree, it was one thing for a young man to make this journey but for a wlman at the end of the 19th century it was just incredible...what spirit!!! Caye
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                  I agree, it was one thing for a young man to make this journey but for a wlman at the end of the 19th century it was just incredible...what spirit!!!
                  Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                  Wow, just caught my typ-o -- my grandmother did travel
                  along, but she did it ALONE, that was my point. I
                  believe I remember her telling me she was about 14 or
                  15. No one I ever remembered ever said grandma was
                  weak, shy or wimpy, to the contrary, her temper was
                  pretty well known.



                  --- Marty <halfslovak@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                  > I'd like to think my grandmother was spurred on by
                  > either money or lack thereof -- so I suppose the
                  > opportunities outweighed the none. My gram traveled
                  > along; however, she did know folks who preceded her.
                  >
                  > Caye
                  >
                  >
                  > --- SantiDClaireS@... wrote:
                  > > Hi, I was just reading the posts about everyone
                  > > being related to everyone
                  > > else in the same small village. You know if you
                  > > think about it if someone
                  > > was born and raised in the same small village as
                  > > their father and grandfather
                  > > for several generations back and few traveled even
                  > > to another village only 10
                  > > or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it must have
                  > > taken for some of our
                  > > fathers and grandfathers to not only leave their
                  > > village but travel thousands
                  > > of miles to a completely new country. It is no
                  > > wonder that they tended to
                  > > congregate in the same communities when they
                  > arrived
                  > > in a strange new world.
                  > > Just some thoughts. Sandy
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                  > > removed]
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                  > Hi On that subject my father always impressed upon
                  > me the great courage that it took for his mother to
                  > leave Slovakia on her own at the age of 19_to travel
                  > to a strange country and probably never see her own
                  > family again what heroic people they
                  >
                  were.._________________________________________________
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                • Caye Caswick
                  Thanks Marty, to this day older people than me (40-ish) still think I m way crazy to travel alone; howver, I take my dogs, so I m never really alone. It is
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                    Thanks Marty, to this day older people than me
                    (40-ish) still think I'm way crazy to travel alone;
                    howver, I take my dogs, so I'm never "really" alone.
                    It is amazing just how many people view women as
                    victims -- they should have met my grandma, she'd have
                    kicked 'em in the slats for thinking so.

                    Caye


                    --- Marty <halfslovak@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > I agree, it was one thing for a young man to make
                    > this journey but for a wlman at the end of the 19th
                    > century it was just incredible...what spirit!!!
                    > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                    > Wow, just caught my typ-o -- my grandmother did
                    > travel
                    > along, but she did it ALONE, that was my point. I
                    > believe I remember her telling me she was about 14
                    > or
                    > 15. No one I ever remembered ever said grandma was
                    > weak, shy or wimpy, to the contrary, her temper was
                    > pretty well known.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --- Marty <halfslovak@...> wrote:
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                    > > I'd like to think my grandmother was spurred on by
                    > > either money or lack thereof -- so I suppose the
                    > > opportunities outweighed the none. My gram
                    > traveled
                    > > along; however, she did know folks who preceded
                    > her.
                    > >
                    > > Caye
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- SantiDClaireS@... wrote:
                    > > > Hi, I was just reading the posts about everyone
                    > > > being related to everyone
                    > > > else in the same small village. You know if you
                    > > > think about it if someone
                    > > > was born and raised in the same small village as
                    > > > their father and grandfather
                    > > > for several generations back and few traveled
                    > even
                    > > > to another village only 10
                    > > > or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it must
                    > have
                    > > > taken for some of our
                    > > > fathers and grandfathers to not only leave their
                    > > > village but travel thousands
                    > > > of miles to a completely new country. It is no
                    > > > wonder that they tended to
                    > > > congregate in the same communities when they
                    > > arrived
                    > > > in a strange new world.
                    > > > Just some thoughts. Sandy
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                    > > > removed]
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > > Hi On that subject my father always impressed upon
                    > > me the great courage that it took for his mother
                    > to
                    > > leave Slovakia on her own at the age of 19_to
                    > travel
                    > > to a strange country and probably never see her
                    > own
                    > > family again what heroic people they
                    > >
                    >
                    were.._________________________________________________
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                  • badgerz1
                    My great grandmother also made the journey from present-day Slovakia to Canada alone as a 15-16 year old girl, in the 1890s. She was the first member of her
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                      My great grandmother also made the journey from present-day Slovakia to
                      Canada alone as a 15-16 year old girl, in the 1890s. She was the first
                      member of her family to leave the country, so she didn't have "family
                      waiting" for her in her new home. Guess those Slovak girls were very
                      adventurous .... or gutsy! ;-)
                      Susan
                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Marty [mailto:halfslovak@...]
                      Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:18 PM
                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village



                      I agree, it was one thing for a young man to make this journey but for a
                      wlman at the end of the 19th century it was just incredible...what spirit!!!
                      Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                      Wow, just caught my typ-o -- my grandmother did travel
                      along, but she did it ALONE, that was my point. I
                      believe I remember her telling me she was about 14 or
                      15. No one I ever remembered ever said grandma was
                      weak, shy or wimpy, to the contrary, her temper was
                      pretty well known.



                      --- Marty <halfslovak@...> wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                      > I'd like to think my grandmother was spurred on by
                      > either money or lack thereof -- so I suppose the
                      > opportunities outweighed the none. My gram traveled
                      > along; however, she did know folks who preceded her.
                      >
                      > Caye
                      >
                      >
                      > --- SantiDClaireS@... wrote:
                      > > Hi, I was just reading the posts about everyone
                      > > being related to everyone
                      > > else in the same small village. You know if you
                      > > think about it if someone
                      > > was born and raised in the same small village as
                      > > their father and grandfather
                      > > for several generations back and few traveled even
                      > > to another village only 10
                      > > or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it must have
                      > > taken for some of our
                      > > fathers and grandfathers to not only leave their
                      > > village but travel thousands
                      > > of miles to a completely new country. It is no
                      > > wonder that they tended to
                      > > congregate in the same communities when they
                      > arrived
                      > > in a strange new world.
                      > > Just some thoughts. Sandy
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                      > > removed]
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                      > Hi On that subject my father always impressed upon
                      > me the great courage that it took for his mother to
                      > leave Slovakia on her own at the age of 19_to travel
                      > to a strange country and probably never see her own
                      > family again what heroic people they
                      >
                      were.._________________________________________________
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                    • Caye Caswick
                      Wow, good story, Susan. I think we still are a bit more gutsy than most. Just goes to show you how awful it must have been back there 100 years ago, did
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                        Wow, good story, Susan. I think we still are a bit
                        more "gutsy" than most. Just goes to show you how
                        awful it must have been back there 100 years ago, did
                        your gram ever go back for a visit? Mine always
                        wanted to, but I think she was really afraid to see
                        that it never changed. I'm not sure if you remember
                        the Slovak joke, but if you don't, I loved it and
                        would be willing to repeat it for you.

                        Caye


                        --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                        > My great grandmother also made the journey from
                        > present-day Slovakia to
                        > Canada alone as a 15-16 year old girl, in the 1890s.
                        > She was the first
                        > member of her family to leave the country, so she
                        > didn't have "family
                        > waiting" for her in her new home. Guess those Slovak
                        > girls were very
                        > adventurous .... or gutsy! ;-)
                        > Susan
                        > -----Original Message-----
                        > From: Marty [mailto:halfslovak@...]
                        > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:18 PM
                        > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > I agree, it was one thing for a young man to make
                        > this journey but for a
                        > wlman at the end of the 19th century it was just
                        > incredible...what spirit!!!
                        > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                        > Wow, just caught my typ-o -- my grandmother did
                        > travel
                        > along, but she did it ALONE, that was my point. I
                        > believe I remember her telling me she was about 14
                        > or
                        > 15. No one I ever remembered ever said grandma
                        > was
                        > weak, shy or wimpy, to the contrary, her temper
                        > was
                        > pretty well known.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --- Marty <halfslovak@...> wrote:
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                        > > I'd like to think my grandmother was spurred on
                        > by
                        > > either money or lack thereof -- so I suppose the
                        > > opportunities outweighed the none. My gram
                        > traveled
                        > > along; however, she did know folks who preceded
                        > her.
                        > >
                        > > Caye
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- SantiDClaireS@... wrote:
                        > > > Hi, I was just reading the posts about
                        > everyone
                        > > > being related to everyone
                        > > > else in the same small village. You know if
                        > you
                        > > > think about it if someone
                        > > > was born and raised in the same small village
                        > as
                        > > > their father and grandfather
                        > > > for several generations back and few traveled
                        > even
                        > > > to another village only 10
                        > > > or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it must
                        > have
                        > > > taken for some of our
                        > > > fathers and grandfathers to not only leave
                        > their
                        > > > village but travel thousands
                        > > > of miles to a completely new country. It is
                        > no
                        > > > wonder that they tended to
                        > > > congregate in the same communities when they
                        > > arrived
                        > > > in a strange new world.
                        > > > Just some thoughts. Sandy
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                        > > > removed]
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > Hi On that subject my father always impressed
                        > upon
                        > > me the great courage that it took for his
                        > mother to
                        > > leave Slovakia on her own at the age of 19_to
                        > travel
                        > > to a strange country and probably never see her
                        > own
                        > > family again what heroic people they
                        > >
                        >
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                        Yes, she did return sometime prior to Jan 23, 1907, when her 3rd child (Anne) was born. Anne was born in Socovce. My great grandmother remained in Slovakia
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                          Yes, she did return "sometime" prior to Jan 23, 1907, when her 3rd child
                          (Anne) was born. Anne was born in Socovce. My great grandmother remained in
                          "Slovakia" until she returned to Canada on April 27, 1909. Her husband
                          returned to Canada on October 23, 1907. My great grandmother stayed in
                          Socovce alone, with 3 children - ages newborn, 3 & 7. My great grandmother's
                          family lived in Dlha nad Orava & my great grandfather's family lived in
                          Oravsky Biely Potok. I have no idea "why" my great grandparents went to
                          Socovce, but this info has been verified by my great grandmother's family
                          also. Family legend says that my great grandmother was "homesick for the
                          old country" & that that was the reason for their trip back. After returning
                          to Canada, they never again went back. My great grandmother kept in touch
                          with her family until she died at 98 1/2 years. She was never "sick"
                          (seriously) a day in her life & she died in her own home, reading her Bible
                          :-)

                          I don't think I caught the Slovak joke, but I would love to hear it.

                          Susan
                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: Caye Caswick [mailto:ccaswick@...]
                          Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:40 PM
                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same village



                          Wow, good story, Susan. I think we still are a bit
                          more "gutsy" than most. Just goes to show you how
                          awful it must have been back there 100 years ago, did
                          your gram ever go back for a visit? Mine always
                          wanted to, but I think she was really afraid to see
                          that it never changed. I'm not sure if you remember
                          the Slovak joke, but if you don't, I loved it and
                          would be willing to repeat it for you.

                          Caye


                          --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                          > My great grandmother also made the journey from
                          > present-day Slovakia to
                          > Canada alone as a 15-16 year old girl, in the 1890s.
                          > She was the first
                          > member of her family to leave the country, so she
                          > didn't have "family
                          > waiting" for her in her new home. Guess those Slovak
                          > girls were very
                          > adventurous .... or gutsy! ;-)
                          > Susan
                          > -----Original Message-----
                          > From: Marty [mailto:halfslovak@...]
                          > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:18 PM
                          > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > I agree, it was one thing for a young man to make
                          > this journey but for a
                          > wlman at the end of the 19th century it was just
                          > incredible...what spirit!!!
                          > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                          > Wow, just caught my typ-o -- my grandmother did
                          > travel
                          > along, but she did it ALONE, that was my point. I
                          > believe I remember her telling me she was about 14
                          > or
                          > 15. No one I ever remembered ever said grandma
                          > was
                          > weak, shy or wimpy, to the contrary, her temper
                          > was
                          > pretty well known.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > --- Marty <halfslovak@...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                          > > I'd like to think my grandmother was spurred on
                          > by
                          > > either money or lack thereof -- so I suppose the
                          > > opportunities outweighed the none. My gram
                          > traveled
                          > > along; however, she did know folks who preceded
                          > her.
                          > >
                          > > Caye
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- SantiDClaireS@... wrote:
                          > > > Hi, I was just reading the posts about
                          > everyone
                          > > > being related to everyone
                          > > > else in the same small village. You know if
                          > you
                          > > > think about it if someone
                          > > > was born and raised in the same small village
                          > as
                          > > > their father and grandfather
                          > > > for several generations back and few traveled
                          > even
                          > > > to another village only 10
                          > > > or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it must
                          > have
                          > > > taken for some of our
                          > > > fathers and grandfathers to not only leave
                          > their
                          > > > village but travel thousands
                          > > > of miles to a completely new country. It is
                          > no
                          > > > wonder that they tended to
                          > > > congregate in the same communities when they
                          > > arrived
                          > > > in a strange new world.
                          > > > Just some thoughts. Sandy
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                          > > > removed]
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > > Hi On that subject my father always impressed
                          > upon
                          > > me the great courage that it took for his
                          > mother to
                          > > leave Slovakia on her own at the age of 19_to
                          > travel
                          > > to a strange country and probably never see her
                          > own
                          > > family again what heroic people they
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                        • Caye Caswick
                          Susan: Ah, she was married before leaving -- married that young, amazing what women used to do. Anyhow, here s the Slovak joke: Three men were travelling and
                          Message 12 of 28 , Oct 29, 2001
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                            Susan: Ah, she was married before leaving -- married
                            that young, amazing what women used to do. Anyhow,
                            here's the Slovak joke:

                            Three men were travelling and met up at a bar in Ohio.
                            One was from Michigan, one from Florida and the other
                            from Pennsylvania. They were talking about their
                            wives, bashing them actually. The man from Michigan
                            tells the other two that he laid down the law shortly
                            after they married and his wife was to take care of
                            all the cooking. He returned home the night after
                            that and nothing to eat, again the second night he
                            returned home to no meal, upon the third night, he had
                            a feast fit for a king and said that he had had the
                            same ever since. The man from Florida went next and
                            said that the same was true for him, shortly after
                            marrying, he told his wife that all the chores were
                            hers, cleaning, cooking, shopping etc. He arrived
                            home the next day to a mess and an empty pantry, and
                            again the second day the house was a mess and the
                            pantry was empty, but on the third day, the house was
                            immaculate and the pantry was full, as it remains to
                            this day. Then it was the man from Pennsylvania's
                            turn. He mentioned that shortly after marrying his
                            Slovak wife, he also had told her just exactly how she
                            needed to behave, that all the cooking, cleaning and
                            child rearing would be all her doing, none of his. On
                            his first night home he didn't see anything, on his
                            second night home, he didn't see anything; but on his
                            third night home, he could see a ray of sunlight
                            coming thru the slit in his left eye.

                            I LOVE that joke and have relatives to prove that it
                            probably was pretty accurate. Hope you enjoyed it as
                            much as I did and sorry to the others for the
                            repetition, but a joke that good should be laughed at
                            at least twice!

                            Caye


                            --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                            > Yes, she did return "sometime" prior to Jan 23,
                            > 1907, when her 3rd child
                            > (Anne) was born. Anne was born in Socovce. My great
                            > grandmother remained in
                            > "Slovakia" until she returned to Canada on April 27,
                            > 1909. Her husband
                            > returned to Canada on October 23, 1907. My great
                            > grandmother stayed in
                            > Socovce alone, with 3 children - ages newborn, 3 &
                            > 7. My great grandmother's
                            > family lived in Dlha nad Orava & my great
                            > grandfather's family lived in
                            > Oravsky Biely Potok. I have no idea "why" my great
                            > grandparents went to
                            > Socovce, but this info has been verified by my great
                            > grandmother's family
                            > also. Family legend says that my great grandmother
                            > was "homesick for the
                            > old country" & that that was the reason for their
                            > trip back. After returning
                            > to Canada, they never again went back. My great
                            > grandmother kept in touch
                            > with her family until she died at 98 1/2 years. She
                            > was never "sick"
                            > (seriously) a day in her life & she died in her own
                            > home, reading her Bible
                            > :-)
                            >
                            > I don't think I caught the Slovak joke, but I would
                            > love to hear it.
                            >
                            > Susan
                            > -----Original Message-----
                            > From: Caye Caswick [mailto:ccaswick@...]
                            > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:40 PM
                            > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Wow, good story, Susan. I think we still are a
                            > bit
                            > more "gutsy" than most. Just goes to show you how
                            > awful it must have been back there 100 years ago,
                            > did
                            > your gram ever go back for a visit? Mine always
                            > wanted to, but I think she was really afraid to
                            > see
                            > that it never changed. I'm not sure if you
                            > remember
                            > the Slovak joke, but if you don't, I loved it and
                            > would be willing to repeat it for you.
                            >
                            > Caye
                            >
                            >
                            > --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                            > > My great grandmother also made the journey from
                            > > present-day Slovakia to
                            > > Canada alone as a 15-16 year old girl, in the
                            > 1890s.
                            > > She was the first
                            > > member of her family to leave the country, so
                            > she
                            > > didn't have "family
                            > > waiting" for her in her new home. Guess those
                            > Slovak
                            > > girls were very
                            > > adventurous .... or gutsy! ;-)
                            > > Susan
                            > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > From: Marty [mailto:halfslovak@...]
                            > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:18 PM
                            > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > I agree, it was one thing for a young man to
                            > make
                            > > this journey but for a
                            > > wlman at the end of the 19th century it was just
                            > > incredible...what spirit!!!
                            > > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                            > > Wow, just caught my typ-o -- my grandmother
                            > did
                            > > travel
                            > > along, but she did it ALONE, that was my
                            > point. I
                            > > believe I remember her telling me she was
                            > about 14
                            > > or
                            > > 15. No one I ever remembered ever said
                            > grandma
                            > > was
                            > > weak, shy or wimpy, to the contrary, her
                            > temper
                            > > was
                            > > pretty well known.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- Marty <halfslovak@...> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                            > > > I'd like to think my grandmother was spurred
                            > on
                            > > by
                            > > > either money or lack thereof -- so I suppose
                            > the
                            > > > opportunities outweighed the none. My gram
                            > > traveled
                            > > > along; however, she did know folks who
                            > preceded
                            > > her.
                            > > >
                            > > > Caye
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- SantiDClaireS@... wrote:
                            > > > > Hi, I was just reading the posts about
                            > > everyone
                            > > > > being related to everyone
                            > > > > else in the same small village. You know
                            > if
                            > > you
                            > > > > think about it if someone
                            > > > > was born and raised in the same small
                            > village
                            > > as
                            > > > > their father and grandfather
                            > > > > for several generations back and few
                            > traveled
                            > > even
                            > > > > to another village only 10
                            > > > > or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it
                            > must
                            > > have
                            > > > > taken for some of our
                            > > > > fathers and grandfathers to not only leave
                            > > their
                            > > > > village but travel thousands
                            > > > > of miles to a completely new country. It
                            > is
                            > > no
                            > > > > wonder that they tended to
                            > > > > congregate in the same communities when
                            > they
                            > > > arrived
                            > > > > in a strange new world.
                            > > > > Just some thoughts. Sandy
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have
                            > been
                            > > > > removed]
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Hi On that subject my father always
                            > impressed
                            > > upon
                            > > > me the great courage that it took for his
                            > > mother to
                            > > > leave Slovakia on her own at the age of
                            > 19_to
                            > > travel
                            > > > to a strange country and probably never see
                            > her
                            > > own
                            > > > family again what heroic people they
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            >
                            >
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                          • badgerz1
                            Caye, That was a wonderful joke... even my husband enjoyed it ;-) Juat a correction. My great grandmother (Rose) met her future husband in Ft William, Ontario
                            Message 13 of 28 , Oct 29, 2001
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                              Caye,

                              That was a wonderful joke... even my husband enjoyed it ;-)

                              Juat a correction. My great grandmother (Rose) met her future husband in Ft
                              William, Ontario after she left Slovakia. She didn't marry until she was
                              20!!

                              Susan
                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: Caye Caswick [mailto:ccaswick@...]
                              Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:24 PM
                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same village



                              Susan: Ah, she was married before leaving -- married
                              that young, amazing what women used to do. Anyhow,
                              here's the Slovak joke:

                              Three men were travelling and met up at a bar in Ohio.
                              One was from Michigan, one from Florida and the other
                              from Pennsylvania. They were talking about their
                              wives, bashing them actually. The man from Michigan
                              tells the other two that he laid down the law shortly
                              after they married and his wife was to take care of
                              all the cooking. He returned home the night after
                              that and nothing to eat, again the second night he
                              returned home to no meal, upon the third night, he had
                              a feast fit for a king and said that he had had the
                              same ever since. The man from Florida went next and
                              said that the same was true for him, shortly after
                              marrying, he told his wife that all the chores were
                              hers, cleaning, cooking, shopping etc. He arrived
                              home the next day to a mess and an empty pantry, and
                              again the second day the house was a mess and the
                              pantry was empty, but on the third day, the house was
                              immaculate and the pantry was full, as it remains to
                              this day. Then it was the man from Pennsylvania's
                              turn. He mentioned that shortly after marrying his
                              Slovak wife, he also had told her just exactly how she
                              needed to behave, that all the cooking, cleaning and
                              child rearing would be all her doing, none of his. On
                              his first night home he didn't see anything, on his
                              second night home, he didn't see anything; but on his
                              third night home, he could see a ray of sunlight
                              coming thru the slit in his left eye.

                              I LOVE that joke and have relatives to prove that it
                              probably was pretty accurate. Hope you enjoyed it as
                              much as I did and sorry to the others for the
                              repetition, but a joke that good should be laughed at
                              at least twice!

                              Caye


                              --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                              > Yes, she did return "sometime" prior to Jan 23,
                              > 1907, when her 3rd child
                              > (Anne) was born. Anne was born in Socovce. My great
                              > grandmother remained in
                              > "Slovakia" until she returned to Canada on April 27,
                              > 1909. Her husband
                              > returned to Canada on October 23, 1907. My great
                              > grandmother stayed in
                              > Socovce alone, with 3 children - ages newborn, 3 &
                              > 7. My great grandmother's
                              > family lived in Dlha nad Orava & my great
                              > grandfather's family lived in
                              > Oravsky Biely Potok. I have no idea "why" my great
                              > grandparents went to
                              > Socovce, but this info has been verified by my great
                              > grandmother's family
                              > also. Family legend says that my great grandmother
                              > was "homesick for the
                              > old country" & that that was the reason for their
                              > trip back. After returning
                              > to Canada, they never again went back. My great
                              > grandmother kept in touch
                              > with her family until she died at 98 1/2 years. She
                              > was never "sick"
                              > (seriously) a day in her life & she died in her own
                              > home, reading her Bible
                              > :-)
                              >
                              > I don't think I caught the Slovak joke, but I would
                              > love to hear it.
                              >
                              > Susan
                              > -----Original Message-----
                              > From: Caye Caswick [mailto:ccaswick@...]
                              > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:40 PM
                              > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              > Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Wow, good story, Susan. I think we still are a
                              > bit
                              > more "gutsy" than most. Just goes to show you how
                              > awful it must have been back there 100 years ago,
                              > did
                              > your gram ever go back for a visit? Mine always
                              > wanted to, but I think she was really afraid to
                              > see
                              > that it never changed. I'm not sure if you
                              > remember
                              > the Slovak joke, but if you don't, I loved it and
                              > would be willing to repeat it for you.
                              >
                              > Caye
                              >
                              >
                              > --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                              > > My great grandmother also made the journey from
                              > > present-day Slovakia to
                              > > Canada alone as a 15-16 year old girl, in the
                              > 1890s.
                              > > She was the first
                              > > member of her family to leave the country, so
                              > she
                              > > didn't have "family
                              > > waiting" for her in her new home. Guess those
                              > Slovak
                              > > girls were very
                              > > adventurous .... or gutsy! ;-)
                              > > Susan
                              > > -----Original Message-----
                              > > From: Marty [mailto:halfslovak@...]
                              > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:18 PM
                              > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > I agree, it was one thing for a young man to
                              > make
                              > > this journey but for a
                              > > wlman at the end of the 19th century it was just
                              > > incredible...what spirit!!!
                              > > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                              > > Wow, just caught my typ-o -- my grandmother
                              > did
                              > > travel
                              > > along, but she did it ALONE, that was my
                              > point. I
                              > > believe I remember her telling me she was
                              > about 14
                              > > or
                              > > 15. No one I ever remembered ever said
                              > grandma
                              > > was
                              > > weak, shy or wimpy, to the contrary, her
                              > temper
                              > > was
                              > > pretty well known.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- Marty <halfslovak@...> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                              > > > I'd like to think my grandmother was spurred
                              > on
                              > > by
                              > > > either money or lack thereof -- so I suppose
                              > the
                              > > > opportunities outweighed the none. My gram
                              > > traveled
                              > > > along; however, she did know folks who
                              > preceded
                              > > her.
                              > > >
                              > > > Caye
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > --- SantiDClaireS@... wrote:
                              > > > > Hi, I was just reading the posts about
                              > > everyone
                              > > > > being related to everyone
                              > > > > else in the same small village. You know
                              > if
                              > > you
                              > > > > think about it if someone
                              > > > > was born and raised in the same small
                              > village
                              > > as
                              > > > > their father and grandfather
                              > > > > for several generations back and few
                              > traveled
                              > > even
                              > > > > to another village only 10
                              > > > > or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it
                              > must
                              > > have
                              > > > > taken for some of our
                              > > > > fathers and grandfathers to not only leave
                              > > their
                              > > > > village but travel thousands
                              > > > > of miles to a completely new country. It
                              > is
                              > > no
                              > > > > wonder that they tended to
                              > > > > congregate in the same communities when
                              > they
                              > > > arrived
                              > > > > in a strange new world.
                              > > > > Just some thoughts. Sandy
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                              > > > Hi On that subject my father always
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                              > > upon
                              > > > me the great courage that it took for his
                              > > mother to
                              > > > leave Slovakia on her own at the age of
                              > 19_to
                              > > travel
                              > > > to a strange country and probably never see
                              > her
                              > > own
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                            • Ron Matviyak
                              By tinker I mean a person who might have worked in wire or tin, repaired pots or tinkered with many other things to fix broken household items. A tinker
                              Message 14 of 28 , Oct 29, 2001
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                                By "tinker" I mean a person who might have worked in wire or tin, repaired
                                pots or 'tinkered' with many other things to fix broken household items. A
                                tinker could be any nationality, and it was once a definite part of Slovak
                                life. Here is a site with some photos and part of the story...
                                http://www.slovakheritage.org/Folkartists/tinkers93.htm
                                This pretty well covers my meaning:

                                "Tinkers from Kysuce are known and respected throughout the world. They were
                                the first ones that made the humane mouse trap. They used to manufacture the
                                bird cages for Russian Czars, toys for children, tools for medical
                                profession. A good tinker when he left and didn't know how to read or write,
                                when he returned after years, he was fluent in at least five languages. In
                                those days, there was a lot of misery, lots of the people went abroad for
                                work to make money and came back, many years later. "

                                I tried a search for "Slovak tinker" on Dogpile and came up empty. These
                                sites were some of the first listed on Google. Good luck & have fun!

                                Here is another good one, and note that "In fact, the region came to be
                                known as Drotaria, or Tinker Country, from drotar, Slovak for tinker" in
                                turn the Slovak "Drotar" comes from the German Draht for wire and "Drahter".
                                for wire worker.

                                http://www.cnewa.org/CNE25-6-pp26-29.htm


                                Ron

                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...>
                                To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:27 AM
                                Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village


                                >
                                > Question, by "tinkers" do you mean the folks (I've
                                > heard the term traveling in Ireland) in those colorful
                                > horse-drawn carts, the people I actually thought were
                                > originally called Gypsies? If not, could you please
                                > explain the term tinker? Thanks!
                                >
                                > Caye
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > --- Ron Matviyak <amiak@...> wrote:
                                > > Santi,
                                > >
                                > > There is also a tradition that have not been
                                > > mentioned in this thread, and
                                > > must be considered. Slovaks had a long tradition of
                                > > sending out Tinkers,
                                > > not only locally but also internationally, and they
                                > > could return seasonally
                                > > or only every few years, all dependent upon
                                > > economics and ties to family and
                                > > village. Through the tinkers there was supposed to
                                > > be quite a bit of
                                > > cultural cross-fertilization. So it wasn't just
                                > > passing soldiers who might
                                > > have brought some fresh genes to the village pool,
                                > > or new ideas to remote
                                > > areas. The other activity seemed to be primarily
                                > > seasonal migrant labor
                                > > from the highlands to the lowlands of Hungary to
                                > > bring (as today) hard
                                > > earned cash from wherever work could be found. One
                                > > of the crises Hungary
                                > > and Czechoslovakia faced after WW I was the surplus
                                > > of labor in Slovakia and
                                > > the loss of seasonal workers in Hungary.
                                > >
                                > > None of that is to argue against most of the village
                                > > population staying put,
                                > > close to home. We must just recognize that some
                                > > people did travel and bring
                                > > new money and new ideas home, and maybe the new wife
                                > > from the village not so
                                > > far away.
                                > >
                                > > Ron
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > From: <SantiDClaireS@...>
                                > > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 10:02 AM
                                > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > > Hi, I was just reading the posts about everyone
                                > > being related to everyone
                                > > > else in the same small village. You know if you
                                > > think about it if someone
                                > > > was born and raised in the same small village as
                                > > their father and
                                > > grandfather
                                > > > for several generations back and few traveled even
                                > > to another village only
                                > > 10
                                > > > or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it must have
                                > > taken for some of our
                                > > > fathers and grandfathers to not only leave their
                                > > village but travel
                                > > thousands
                                > > > of miles to a completely new country. It is no
                                > > wonder that they tended to
                                > > > congregate in the same communities when they
                                > > arrived in a strange new
                                > > world.
                                > > > Just some thoughts. Sandy
                                > > >
                                > > >
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                              • Bruce Bagin
                                i don t understnd the joke. what did the first two do that the third one didn t Bruce Bagin 312 Boulevard of the Allies,#600 Pittsburgh, PA 15222-1923
                                Message 15 of 28 , Oct 29, 2001
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                                  i don't understnd the joke. what did the first two do that the third one
                                  didn't

                                  Bruce Bagin
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                                  ----Original Message Follows----
                                  From: Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...>
                                  Reply-To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                  Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:24:14 -0800 (PST)


                                  Susan: Ah, she was married before leaving -- married
                                  that young, amazing what women used to do. Anyhow,
                                  here's the Slovak joke:

                                  Three men were travelling and met up at a bar in Ohio.
                                  One was from Michigan, one from Florida and the other
                                  from Pennsylvania. They were talking about their
                                  wives, bashing them actually. The man from Michigan
                                  tells the other two that he laid down the law shortly
                                  after they married and his wife was to take care of
                                  all the cooking. He returned home the night after
                                  that and nothing to eat, again the second night he
                                  returned home to no meal, upon the third night, he had
                                  a feast fit for a king and said that he had had the
                                  same ever since. The man from Florida went next and
                                  said that the same was true for him, shortly after
                                  marrying, he told his wife that all the chores were
                                  hers, cleaning, cooking, shopping etc. He arrived
                                  home the next day to a mess and an empty pantry, and
                                  again the second day the house was a mess and the
                                  pantry was empty, but on the third day, the house was
                                  immaculate and the pantry was full, as it remains to
                                  this day. Then it was the man from Pennsylvania's
                                  turn. He mentioned that shortly after marrying his
                                  Slovak wife, he also had told her just exactly how she
                                  needed to behave, that all the cooking, cleaning and
                                  child rearing would be all her doing, none of his. On
                                  his first night home he didn't see anything, on his
                                  second night home, he didn't see anything; but on his
                                  third night home, he could see a ray of sunlight
                                  coming thru the slit in his left eye.

                                  I LOVE that joke and have relatives to prove that it
                                  probably was pretty accurate. Hope you enjoyed it as
                                  much as I did and sorry to the others for the
                                  repetition, but a joke that good should be laughed at
                                  at least twice!

                                  Caye


                                  --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                                  > Yes, she did return "sometime" prior to Jan 23,
                                  > 1907, when her 3rd child
                                  > (Anne) was born. Anne was born in Socovce. My great
                                  > grandmother remained in
                                  > "Slovakia" until she returned to Canada on April 27,
                                  > 1909. Her husband
                                  > returned to Canada on October 23, 1907. My great
                                  > grandmother stayed in
                                  > Socovce alone, with 3 children - ages newborn, 3 &
                                  > 7. My great grandmother's
                                  > family lived in Dlha nad Orava & my great
                                  > grandfather's family lived in
                                  > Oravsky Biely Potok. I have no idea "why" my great
                                  > grandparents went to
                                  > Socovce, but this info has been verified by my great
                                  > grandmother's family
                                  > also. Family legend says that my great grandmother
                                  > was "homesick for the
                                  > old country" & that that was the reason for their
                                  > trip back. After returning
                                  > to Canada, they never again went back. My great
                                  > grandmother kept in touch
                                  > with her family until she died at 98 1/2 years. She
                                  > was never "sick"
                                  > (seriously) a day in her life & she died in her own
                                  > home, reading her Bible
                                  > :-)
                                  >
                                  > I don't think I caught the Slovak joke, but I would
                                  > love to hear it.
                                  >
                                  > Susan
                                  > -----Original Message-----
                                  > From: Caye Caswick [mailto:ccaswick@...]
                                  > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:40 PM
                                  > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Wow, good story, Susan. I think we still are a
                                  > bit
                                  > more "gutsy" than most. Just goes to show you how
                                  > awful it must have been back there 100 years ago,
                                  > did
                                  > your gram ever go back for a visit? Mine always
                                  > wanted to, but I think she was really afraid to
                                  > see
                                  > that it never changed. I'm not sure if you
                                  > remember
                                  > the Slovak joke, but if you don't, I loved it and
                                  > would be willing to repeat it for you.
                                  >
                                  > Caye
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                                  > > My great grandmother also made the journey from
                                  > > present-day Slovakia to
                                  > > Canada alone as a 15-16 year old girl, in the
                                  > 1890s.
                                  > > She was the first
                                  > > member of her family to leave the country, so
                                  > she
                                  > > didn't have "family
                                  > > waiting" for her in her new home. Guess those
                                  > Slovak
                                  > > girls were very
                                  > > adventurous .... or gutsy! ;-)
                                  > > Susan
                                  > > -----Original Message-----
                                  > > From: Marty [mailto:halfslovak@...]
                                  > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:18 PM
                                  > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > I agree, it was one thing for a young man to
                                  > make
                                  > > this journey but for a
                                  > > wlman at the end of the 19th century it was just
                                  > > incredible...what spirit!!!
                                  > > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                                  > > Wow, just caught my typ-o -- my grandmother
                                  > did
                                  > > travel
                                  > > along, but she did it ALONE, that was my
                                  > point. I
                                  > > believe I remember her telling me she was
                                  > about 14
                                  > > or
                                  > > 15. No one I ever remembered ever said
                                  > grandma
                                  > > was
                                  > > weak, shy or wimpy, to the contrary, her
                                  > temper
                                  > > was
                                  > > pretty well known.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > --- Marty <halfslovak@...> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                                  > > > I'd like to think my grandmother was spurred
                                  > on
                                  > > by
                                  > > > either money or lack thereof -- so I suppose
                                  > the
                                  > > > opportunities outweighed the none. My gram
                                  > > traveled
                                  > > > along; however, she did know folks who
                                  > preceded
                                  > > her.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Caye
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- SantiDClaireS@... wrote:
                                  > > > > Hi, I was just reading the posts about
                                  > > everyone
                                  > > > > being related to everyone
                                  > > > > else in the same small village. You know
                                  > if
                                  > > you
                                  > > > > think about it if someone
                                  > > > > was born and raised in the same small
                                  > village
                                  > > as
                                  > > > > their father and grandfather
                                  > > > > for several generations back and few
                                  > traveled
                                  > > even
                                  > > > > to another village only 10
                                  > > > > or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it
                                  > must
                                  > > have
                                  > > > > taken for some of our
                                  > > > > fathers and grandfathers to not only leave
                                  > > their
                                  > > > > village but travel thousands
                                  > > > > of miles to a completely new country. It
                                  > is
                                  > > no
                                  > > > > wonder that they tended to
                                  > > > > congregate in the same communities when
                                  > they
                                  > > > arrived
                                  > > > > in a strange new world.
                                  > > > > Just some thoughts. Sandy
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have
                                  > been
                                  > > > > removed]
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Hi On that subject my father always
                                  > impressed
                                  > > upon
                                  > > > me the great courage that it took for his
                                  > > mother to
                                  > > > leave Slovakia on her own at the age of
                                  > 19_to
                                  > > travel
                                  > > > to a strange country and probably never see
                                  > her
                                  > > own
                                  > > > family again what heroic people they
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
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                                  >
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                                • Caye Caswick
                                  Bruce: Either you are pulling my leg -- or you are the last Knight in Shining Armour; which I d bet my annual salary against. OK, I ll ruin a joke this once,
                                  Message 16 of 28 , Oct 30, 2001
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                                    Bruce:

                                    Either you are pulling my leg -- or you are the last
                                    Knight in Shining Armour; which I'd bet my annual
                                    salary against. OK, I'll ruin a joke this once, but
                                    next time yer gonna hafta "work with me," Bruce. The
                                    first two men beat their wives into action -- the
                                    third obviously met the right woman. I hope that
                                    clarifies it for you. By the way, if you keep a white
                                    steed in the polebarn out back, write me back
                                    privately.

                                    Caye

                                    --- Bruce Bagin <bagin@...> wrote:
                                    > i don't understnd the joke. what did the first two
                                    > do that the third one
                                    > didn't
                                    >
                                    > Bruce Bagin
                                    > 312 Boulevard of the Allies,#600
                                    > Pittsburgh, PA 15222-1923
                                    > 412-281-1110
                                    > FAX 412-281-8481
                                    > email bagin@...
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ----Original Message Follows----
                                    > From: Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...>
                                    > Reply-To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                    > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:24:14 -0800 (PST)
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Susan: Ah, she was married before leaving --
                                    > married
                                    > that young, amazing what women used to do. Anyhow,
                                    > here's the Slovak joke:
                                    >
                                    > Three men were travelling and met up at a bar in
                                    > Ohio.
                                    > One was from Michigan, one from Florida and the
                                    > other
                                    > from Pennsylvania. They were talking about their
                                    > wives, bashing them actually. The man from Michigan
                                    > tells the other two that he laid down the law
                                    > shortly
                                    > after they married and his wife was to take care of
                                    > all the cooking. He returned home the night after
                                    > that and nothing to eat, again the second night he
                                    > returned home to no meal, upon the third night, he
                                    > had
                                    > a feast fit for a king and said that he had had the
                                    > same ever since. The man from Florida went next and
                                    > said that the same was true for him, shortly after
                                    > marrying, he told his wife that all the chores were
                                    > hers, cleaning, cooking, shopping etc. He arrived
                                    > home the next day to a mess and an empty pantry, and
                                    > again the second day the house was a mess and the
                                    > pantry was empty, but on the third day, the house
                                    > was
                                    > immaculate and the pantry was full, as it remains to
                                    > this day. Then it was the man from Pennsylvania's
                                    > turn. He mentioned that shortly after marrying his
                                    > Slovak wife, he also had told her just exactly how
                                    > she
                                    > needed to behave, that all the cooking, cleaning and
                                    > child rearing would be all her doing, none of his.
                                    > On
                                    > his first night home he didn't see anything, on his
                                    > second night home, he didn't see anything; but on
                                    > his
                                    > third night home, he could see a ray of sunlight
                                    > coming thru the slit in his left eye.
                                    >
                                    > I LOVE that joke and have relatives to prove that it
                                    > probably was pretty accurate. Hope you enjoyed it
                                    > as
                                    > much as I did and sorry to the others for the
                                    > repetition, but a joke that good should be laughed
                                    > at
                                    > at least twice!
                                    >
                                    > Caye
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                                    > > Yes, she did return "sometime" prior to Jan 23,
                                    > > 1907, when her 3rd child
                                    > > (Anne) was born. Anne was born in Socovce. My
                                    > great
                                    > > grandmother remained in
                                    > > "Slovakia" until she returned to Canada on April
                                    > 27,
                                    > > 1909. Her husband
                                    > > returned to Canada on October 23, 1907. My great
                                    > > grandmother stayed in
                                    > > Socovce alone, with 3 children - ages newborn, 3
                                    > &
                                    > > 7. My great grandmother's
                                    > > family lived in Dlha nad Orava & my great
                                    > > grandfather's family lived in
                                    > > Oravsky Biely Potok. I have no idea "why" my
                                    > great
                                    > > grandparents went to
                                    > > Socovce, but this info has been verified by my
                                    > great
                                    > > grandmother's family
                                    > > also. Family legend says that my great
                                    > grandmother
                                    > > was "homesick for the
                                    > > old country" & that that was the reason for their
                                    > > trip back. After returning
                                    > > to Canada, they never again went back. My great
                                    > > grandmother kept in touch
                                    > > with her family until she died at 98 1/2 years.
                                    > She
                                    > > was never "sick"
                                    > > (seriously) a day in her life & she died in her
                                    > own
                                    > > home, reading her Bible
                                    > > :-)
                                    > >
                                    > > I don't think I caught the Slovak joke, but I
                                    > would
                                    > > love to hear it.
                                    > >
                                    > > Susan
                                    > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > From: Caye Caswick [mailto:ccaswick@...]
                                    > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:40 PM
                                    > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Wow, good story, Susan. I think we still are a
                                    > > bit
                                    > > more "gutsy" than most. Just goes to show you
                                    > how
                                    > > awful it must have been back there 100 years
                                    > ago,
                                    > > did
                                    > > your gram ever go back for a visit? Mine
                                    > always
                                    > > wanted to, but I think she was really afraid to
                                    > > see
                                    > > that it never changed. I'm not sure if you
                                    > > remember
                                    > > the Slovak joke, but if you don't, I loved it
                                    > and
                                    > > would be willing to repeat it for you.
                                    > >
                                    > > Caye
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                                    > > > My great grandmother also made the journey
                                    > from
                                    > > > present-day Slovakia to
                                    > > > Canada alone as a 15-16 year old girl, in the
                                    > > 1890s.
                                    > > > She was the first
                                    > > > member of her family to leave the country, so
                                    > > she
                                    > > > didn't have "family
                                    > > > waiting" for her in her new home. Guess those
                                    > > Slovak
                                    > > > girls were very
                                    > > > adventurous .... or gutsy! ;-)
                                    > > > Susan
                                    > > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > > From: Marty [mailto:halfslovak@...]
                                    > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:18 PM
                                    > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same
                                    > village
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I agree, it was one thing for a young man
                                    > to
                                    > > make
                                    > > > this journey but for a
                                    > > > wlman at the end of the 19th century it was
                                    > just
                                    > > > incredible...what spirit!!!
                                    > > > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                                    > > > Wow, just caught my typ-o -- my grandmother
                                    > > did
                                    > > > travel
                                    > > > along, but she did it ALONE, that was my
                                    > > point. I
                                    > > > believe I remember her telling me she was
                                    > > about 14
                                    > > > or
                                    > > > 15. No one I ever remembered ever said
                                    > > grandma
                                    > > > was
                                    > > > weak, shy or wimpy, to the contrary, her
                                    > > temper
                                    > > > was
                                    > > > pretty well known.
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- Marty <halfslovak@...> wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...>
                                    > wrote:
                                    > > > > I'd like to think my grandmother was
                                    > spurred
                                    >
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                                  • Caye Caswick
                                    Ah, 20, imagine that! I m so glad she waited, LOL! Yeah, the joke is great -- however, someone here posted it first, so don t give me credit. Everyone I tell
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                                      Ah, 20, imagine that! I'm so glad she waited, LOL!
                                      Yeah, the joke is great -- however, someone here
                                      posted it first, so don't give me credit. Everyone I
                                      tell loves it; plus they always say, I've NEVER heard
                                      a Slovak joke before. I think my grammie was about 21
                                      when she finally settled down, married an older man
                                      too; but we came to say "he's almost old enough for
                                      you gram!"

                                      Caye


                                      --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                                      > Caye,
                                      >
                                      > That was a wonderful joke... even my husband enjoyed
                                      > it ;-)
                                      >
                                      > Juat a correction. My great grandmother (Rose) met
                                      > her future husband in Ft
                                      > William, Ontario after she left Slovakia. She didn't
                                      > marry until she was
                                      > 20!!
                                      >
                                      > Susan
                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                      > From: Caye Caswick [mailto:ccaswick@...]
                                      > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:24 PM
                                      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Susan: Ah, she was married before leaving --
                                      > married
                                      > that young, amazing what women used to do.
                                      > Anyhow,
                                      > here's the Slovak joke:
                                      >
                                      > Three men were travelling and met up at a bar in
                                      > Ohio.
                                      > One was from Michigan, one from Florida and the
                                      > other
                                      > from Pennsylvania. They were talking about their
                                      > wives, bashing them actually. The man from
                                      > Michigan
                                      > tells the other two that he laid down the law
                                      > shortly
                                      > after they married and his wife was to take care
                                      > of
                                      > all the cooking. He returned home the night after
                                      > that and nothing to eat, again the second night he
                                      > returned home to no meal, upon the third night, he
                                      > had
                                      > a feast fit for a king and said that he had had
                                      > the
                                      > same ever since. The man from Florida went next
                                      > and
                                      > said that the same was true for him, shortly after
                                      > marrying, he told his wife that all the chores
                                      > were
                                      > hers, cleaning, cooking, shopping etc. He arrived
                                      > home the next day to a mess and an empty pantry,
                                      > and
                                      > again the second day the house was a mess and the
                                      > pantry was empty, but on the third day, the house
                                      > was
                                      > immaculate and the pantry was full, as it remains
                                      > to
                                      > this day. Then it was the man from Pennsylvania's
                                      > turn. He mentioned that shortly after marrying
                                      > his
                                      > Slovak wife, he also had told her just exactly how
                                      > she
                                      > needed to behave, that all the cooking, cleaning
                                      > and
                                      > child rearing would be all her doing, none of his.
                                      > On
                                      > his first night home he didn't see anything, on
                                      > his
                                      > second night home, he didn't see anything; but on
                                      > his
                                      > third night home, he could see a ray of sunlight
                                      > coming thru the slit in his left eye.
                                      >
                                      > I LOVE that joke and have relatives to prove that
                                      > it
                                      > probably was pretty accurate. Hope you enjoyed it
                                      > as
                                      > much as I did and sorry to the others for the
                                      > repetition, but a joke that good should be laughed
                                      > at
                                      > at least twice!
                                      >
                                      > Caye
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                                      > > Yes, she did return "sometime" prior to Jan 23,
                                      > > 1907, when her 3rd child
                                      > > (Anne) was born. Anne was born in Socovce. My
                                      > great
                                      > > grandmother remained in
                                      > > "Slovakia" until she returned to Canada on April
                                      > 27,
                                      > > 1909. Her husband
                                      > > returned to Canada on October 23, 1907. My great
                                      > > grandmother stayed in
                                      > > Socovce alone, with 3 children - ages newborn, 3
                                      > &
                                      > > 7. My great grandmother's
                                      > > family lived in Dlha nad Orava & my great
                                      > > grandfather's family lived in
                                      > > Oravsky Biely Potok. I have no idea "why" my
                                      > great
                                      > > grandparents went to
                                      > > Socovce, but this info has been verified by my
                                      > great
                                      > > grandmother's family
                                      > > also. Family legend says that my great
                                      > grandmother
                                      > > was "homesick for the
                                      > > old country" & that that was the reason for
                                      > their
                                      > > trip back. After returning
                                      > > to Canada, they never again went back. My great
                                      > > grandmother kept in touch
                                      > > with her family until she died at 98 1/2 years.
                                      > She
                                      > > was never "sick"
                                      > > (seriously) a day in her life & she died in her
                                      > own
                                      > > home, reading her Bible
                                      > > :-)
                                      > >
                                      > > I don't think I caught the Slovak joke, but I
                                      > would
                                      > > love to hear it.
                                      > >
                                      > > Susan
                                      > > -----Original Message-----
                                      > > From: Caye Caswick [mailto:ccaswick@...]
                                      > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:40 PM
                                      > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Wow, good story, Susan. I think we still are
                                      > a
                                      > > bit
                                      > > more "gutsy" than most. Just goes to show you
                                      > how
                                      > > awful it must have been back there 100 years
                                      > ago,
                                      > > did
                                      > > your gram ever go back for a visit? Mine
                                      > always
                                      > > wanted to, but I think she was really afraid
                                      > to
                                      > > see
                                      > > that it never changed. I'm not sure if you
                                      > > remember
                                      > > the Slovak joke, but if you don't, I loved it
                                      > and
                                      > > would be willing to repeat it for you.
                                      > >
                                      > > Caye
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                                      > > > My great grandmother also made the journey
                                      > from
                                      > > > present-day Slovakia to
                                      > > > Canada alone as a 15-16 year old girl, in
                                      > the
                                      > > 1890s.
                                      > > > She was the first
                                      > > > member of her family to leave the country,
                                      > so
                                      > > she
                                      > > > didn't have "family
                                      > > > waiting" for her in her new home. Guess
                                      > those
                                      > > Slovak
                                      > > > girls were very
                                      > > > adventurous .... or gutsy! ;-)
                                      > > > Susan
                                      > > > -----Original Message-----
                                      > > > From: Marty [mailto:halfslovak@...]
                                      > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:18 PM
                                      > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same
                                      > village
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > I agree, it was one thing for a young man
                                      > to
                                      > > make
                                      > > > this journey but for a
                                      > > > wlman at the end of the 19th century it was
                                      > just
                                      > > > incredible...what spirit!!!
                                      > > > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                                      > > > Wow, just caught my typ-o -- my
                                      > grandmother
                                      > > did
                                      > > > travel
                                      > > > along, but she did it ALONE, that was my
                                      > > point. I
                                      > > > believe I remember her telling me she was
                                      > > about 14
                                      > > > or
                                      >
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                                    • Bruce Bagin
                                      I don t side with that wife beting stuff. My 37 year old bride cares for her invalid husband without beating or complaining. But then she s sicilian. go
                                      Message 18 of 28 , Oct 30, 2001
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                                        I don't side with that wife beting stuff. My 37 year old bride cares for
                                        her invalid husband without beating or complaining. But then she's
                                        sicilian. go figure.
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: "Caye Caswick" <ccaswick@...>
                                        To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:07 AM
                                        Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same village


                                        >
                                        > Bruce:
                                        >
                                        > Either you are pulling my leg -- or you are the last
                                        > Knight in Shining Armour; which I'd bet my annual
                                        > salary against. OK, I'll ruin a joke this once, but
                                        > next time yer gonna hafta "work with me," Bruce. The
                                        > first two men beat their wives into action -- the
                                        > third obviously met the right woman. I hope that
                                        > clarifies it for you. By the way, if you keep a white
                                        > steed in the polebarn out back, write me back
                                        > privately.
                                        >
                                        > Caye
                                        >
                                        > --- Bruce Bagin <bagin@...> wrote:
                                        > > i don't understnd the joke. what did the first two
                                        > > do that the third one
                                        > > didn't
                                        > >
                                        > > Bruce Bagin
                                        > > 312 Boulevard of the Allies,#600
                                        > > Pittsburgh, PA 15222-1923
                                        > > 412-281-1110
                                        > > FAX 412-281-8481
                                        > > email bagin@...
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > ----Original Message Follows----
                                        > > From: Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...>
                                        > > Reply-To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                        > > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:24:14 -0800 (PST)
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Susan: Ah, she was married before leaving --
                                        > > married
                                        > > that young, amazing what women used to do. Anyhow,
                                        > > here's the Slovak joke:
                                        > >
                                        > > Three men were travelling and met up at a bar in
                                        > > Ohio.
                                        > > One was from Michigan, one from Florida and the
                                        > > other
                                        > > from Pennsylvania. They were talking about their
                                        > > wives, bashing them actually. The man from Michigan
                                        > > tells the other two that he laid down the law
                                        > > shortly
                                        > > after they married and his wife was to take care of
                                        > > all the cooking. He returned home the night after
                                        > > that and nothing to eat, again the second night he
                                        > > returned home to no meal, upon the third night, he
                                        > > had
                                        > > a feast fit for a king and said that he had had the
                                        > > same ever since. The man from Florida went next and
                                        > > said that the same was true for him, shortly after
                                        > > marrying, he told his wife that all the chores were
                                        > > hers, cleaning, cooking, shopping etc. He arrived
                                        > > home the next day to a mess and an empty pantry, and
                                        > > again the second day the house was a mess and the
                                        > > pantry was empty, but on the third day, the house
                                        > > was
                                        > > immaculate and the pantry was full, as it remains to
                                        > > this day. Then it was the man from Pennsylvania's
                                        > > turn. He mentioned that shortly after marrying his
                                        > > Slovak wife, he also had told her just exactly how
                                        > > she
                                        > > needed to behave, that all the cooking, cleaning and
                                        > > child rearing would be all her doing, none of his.
                                        > > On
                                        > > his first night home he didn't see anything, on his
                                        > > second night home, he didn't see anything; but on
                                        > > his
                                        > > third night home, he could see a ray of sunlight
                                        > > coming thru the slit in his left eye.
                                        > >
                                        > > I LOVE that joke and have relatives to prove that it
                                        > > probably was pretty accurate. Hope you enjoyed it
                                        > > as
                                        > > much as I did and sorry to the others for the
                                        > > repetition, but a joke that good should be laughed
                                        > > at
                                        > > at least twice!
                                        > >
                                        > > Caye
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                                        > > > Yes, she did return "sometime" prior to Jan 23,
                                        > > > 1907, when her 3rd child
                                        > > > (Anne) was born. Anne was born in Socovce. My
                                        > > great
                                        > > > grandmother remained in
                                        > > > "Slovakia" until she returned to Canada on April
                                        > > 27,
                                        > > > 1909. Her husband
                                        > > > returned to Canada on October 23, 1907. My great
                                        > > > grandmother stayed in
                                        > > > Socovce alone, with 3 children - ages newborn, 3
                                        > > &
                                        > > > 7. My great grandmother's
                                        > > > family lived in Dlha nad Orava & my great
                                        > > > grandfather's family lived in
                                        > > > Oravsky Biely Potok. I have no idea "why" my
                                        > > great
                                        > > > grandparents went to
                                        > > > Socovce, but this info has been verified by my
                                        > > great
                                        > > > grandmother's family
                                        > > > also. Family legend says that my great
                                        > > grandmother
                                        > > > was "homesick for the
                                        > > > old country" & that that was the reason for their
                                        > > > trip back. After returning
                                        > > > to Canada, they never again went back. My great
                                        > > > grandmother kept in touch
                                        > > > with her family until she died at 98 1/2 years.
                                        > > She
                                        > > > was never "sick"
                                        > > > (seriously) a day in her life & she died in her
                                        > > own
                                        > > > home, reading her Bible
                                        > > > :-)
                                        > > >
                                        > > > I don't think I caught the Slovak joke, but I
                                        > > would
                                        > > > love to hear it.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Susan
                                        > > > -----Original Message-----
                                        > > > From: Caye Caswick [mailto:ccaswick@...]
                                        > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:40 PM
                                        > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Wow, good story, Susan. I think we still are a
                                        > > > bit
                                        > > > more "gutsy" than most. Just goes to show you
                                        > > how
                                        > > > awful it must have been back there 100 years
                                        > > ago,
                                        > > > did
                                        > > > your gram ever go back for a visit? Mine
                                        > > always
                                        > > > wanted to, but I think she was really afraid to
                                        > > > see
                                        > > > that it never changed. I'm not sure if you
                                        > > > remember
                                        > > > the Slovak joke, but if you don't, I loved it
                                        > > and
                                        > > > would be willing to repeat it for you.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Caye
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                                        > > > > My great grandmother also made the journey
                                        > > from
                                        > > > > present-day Slovakia to
                                        > > > > Canada alone as a 15-16 year old girl, in the
                                        > > > 1890s.
                                        > > > > She was the first
                                        > > > > member of her family to leave the country, so
                                        > > > she
                                        > > > > didn't have "family
                                        > > > > waiting" for her in her new home. Guess those
                                        > > > Slovak
                                        > > > > girls were very
                                        > > > > adventurous .... or gutsy! ;-)
                                        > > > > Susan
                                        > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                        > > > > From: Marty [mailto:halfslovak@...]
                                        > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:18 PM
                                        > > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same
                                        > > village
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > I agree, it was one thing for a young man
                                        > > to
                                        > > > make
                                        > > > > this journey but for a
                                        > > > > wlman at the end of the 19th century it was
                                        > > just
                                        > > > > incredible...what spirit!!!
                                        > > > > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
                                        > > > > Wow, just caught my typ-o -- my grandmother
                                        > > > did
                                        > > > > travel
                                        > > > > along, but she did it ALONE, that was my
                                        > > > point. I
                                        > > > > believe I remember her telling me she was
                                        > > > about 14
                                        > > > > or
                                        > > > > 15. No one I ever remembered ever said
                                        > > > grandma
                                        > > > > was
                                        > > > > weak, shy or wimpy, to the contrary, her
                                        > > > temper
                                        > > > > was
                                        > > > > pretty well known.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > --- Marty <halfslovak@...> wrote:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...>
                                        > > wrote:
                                        > > > > > I'd like to think my grandmother was
                                        > > spurred
                                        > >
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                                      • Caye Caswick
                                        Hi Bruce: I just KNEW you were the last knight in shining armour -- and that, of course, guaranteed you d already be married. She sounds like she makes you
                                        Message 19 of 28 , Oct 30, 2001
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                                          Hi Bruce: I just KNEW you were the last knight in
                                          shining armour -- and that, of course, guaranteed
                                          you'd already be married. She sounds like she makes
                                          you happy, good for you. Don't take it too seriously,
                                          it was only a joke. Thanks for being humourous about
                                          it.

                                          Caye



                                          --- Bruce Bagin <bagin@...> wrote:
                                          > I don't side with that wife beting stuff. My 37
                                          > year old bride cares for
                                          > her invalid husband without beating or complaining.
                                          > But then she's
                                          > sicilian. go figure.
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: "Caye Caswick" <ccaswick@...>
                                          > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:07 AM
                                          > Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > >
                                          > > Bruce:
                                          > >
                                          > > Either you are pulling my leg -- or you are the
                                          > last
                                          > > Knight in Shining Armour; which I'd bet my annual
                                          > > salary against. OK, I'll ruin a joke this once,
                                          > but
                                          > > next time yer gonna hafta "work with me," Bruce.
                                          > The
                                          > > first two men beat their wives into action -- the
                                          > > third obviously met the right woman. I hope that
                                          > > clarifies it for you. By the way, if you keep a
                                          > white
                                          > > steed in the polebarn out back, write me back
                                          > > privately.
                                          > >
                                          > > Caye
                                          > >
                                          > > --- Bruce Bagin <bagin@...> wrote:
                                          > > > i don't understnd the joke. what did the first
                                          > two
                                          > > > do that the third one
                                          > > > didn't
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Bruce Bagin
                                          > > > 312 Boulevard of the Allies,#600
                                          > > > Pittsburgh, PA 15222-1923
                                          > > > 412-281-1110
                                          > > > FAX 412-281-8481
                                          > > > email bagin@...
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > ----Original Message Follows----
                                          > > > From: Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...>
                                          > > > Reply-To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                          > > > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:24:14 -0800 (PST)
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Susan: Ah, she was married before leaving --
                                          > > > married
                                          > > > that young, amazing what women used to do.
                                          > Anyhow,
                                          > > > here's the Slovak joke:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Three men were travelling and met up at a bar in
                                          > > > Ohio.
                                          > > > One was from Michigan, one from Florida and
                                          > the
                                          > > > other
                                          > > > from Pennsylvania. They were talking about
                                          > their
                                          > > > wives, bashing them actually. The man from
                                          > Michigan
                                          > > > tells the other two that he laid down the law
                                          > > > shortly
                                          > > > after they married and his wife was to take care
                                          > of
                                          > > > all the cooking. He returned home the night
                                          > after
                                          > > > that and nothing to eat, again the second night
                                          > he
                                          > > > returned home to no meal, upon the third night,
                                          > he
                                          > > > had
                                          > > > a feast fit for a king and said that he had had
                                          > the
                                          > > > same ever since. The man from Florida went next
                                          > and
                                          > > > said that the same was true for him, shortly
                                          > after
                                          > > > marrying, he told his wife that all the chores
                                          > were
                                          > > > hers, cleaning, cooking, shopping etc. He
                                          > arrived
                                          > > > home the next day to a mess and an empty pantry,
                                          > and
                                          > > > again the second day the house was a mess and
                                          > the
                                          > > > pantry was empty, but on the third day, the
                                          > house
                                          > > > was
                                          > > > immaculate and the pantry was full, as it
                                          > remains to
                                          > > > this day. Then it was the man from
                                          > Pennsylvania's
                                          > > > turn. He mentioned that shortly after marrying
                                          > his
                                          > > > Slovak wife, he also had told her just exactly
                                          > how
                                          > > > she
                                          > > > needed to behave, that all the cooking, cleaning
                                          > and
                                          > > > child rearing would be all her doing, none of
                                          > his.
                                          > > > On
                                          > > > his first night home he didn't see anything, on
                                          > his
                                          > > > second night home, he didn't see anything; but
                                          > on
                                          > > > his
                                          > > > third night home, he could see a ray of sunlight
                                          > > > coming thru the slit in his left eye.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > I LOVE that joke and have relatives to prove
                                          > that it
                                          > > > probably was pretty accurate. Hope you enjoyed
                                          > it
                                          > > > as
                                          > > > much as I did and sorry to the others for the
                                          > > > repetition, but a joke that good should be
                                          > laughed
                                          > > > at
                                          > > > at least twice!
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Caye
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > --- badgerz1 <badgerz1@...> wrote:
                                          > > > > Yes, she did return "sometime" prior to Jan
                                          > 23,
                                          > > > > 1907, when her 3rd child
                                          > > > > (Anne) was born. Anne was born in Socovce. My
                                          > > > great
                                          > > > > grandmother remained in
                                          > > > > "Slovakia" until she returned to Canada on
                                          > April
                                          > > > 27,
                                          > > > > 1909. Her husband
                                          > > > > returned to Canada on October 23, 1907. My
                                          > great
                                          > > > > grandmother stayed in
                                          > > > > Socovce alone, with 3 children - ages
                                          > newborn, 3
                                          > > > &
                                          > > > > 7. My great grandmother's
                                          > > > > family lived in Dlha nad Orava & my great
                                          > > > > grandfather's family lived in
                                          > > > > Oravsky Biely Potok. I have no idea "why" my
                                          > > > great
                                          > > > > grandparents went to
                                          > > > > Socovce, but this info has been verified by
                                          > my
                                          > > > great
                                          > > > > grandmother's family
                                          > > > > also. Family legend says that my great
                                          > > > grandmother
                                          > > > > was "homesick for the
                                          > > > > old country" & that that was the reason for
                                          > their
                                          > > > > trip back. After returning
                                          > > > > to Canada, they never again went back. My
                                          > great
                                          > > > > grandmother kept in touch
                                          > > > > with her family until she died at 98 1/2
                                          > years.
                                          > > > She
                                          > > > > was never "sick"
                                          > > > > (seriously) a day in her life & she died in
                                          > her
                                          > > > own
                                          > > > > home, reading her Bible
                                          > > > > :-)
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > I don't think I caught the Slovak joke, but I
                                          > > > would
                                          > > > > love to hear it.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Susan
                                          > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                          > > > > From: Caye Caswick
                                          > [mailto:ccaswick@...]
                                          > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:40 PM
                                          > > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Relatives in same
                                          > village
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Wow, good story, Susan. I think we still
                                          > are a
                                          > > > > bit
                                          > > > > more "gutsy" than most. Just goes to show
                                          > you
                                          > > > how
                                          >
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                                          I remember when the old tinker (drotar) came to Luzna. All the old ladies ran out to meet him on the road with their leaky pots that needed repair. The drotar
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                                            I remember when the old tinker (drotar) came to Luzna. All the old ladies
                                            ran out to meet him on the road with their leaky pots that needed repair.
                                            The drotar would cut out two round patches from a piece of scrap sheet
                                            metal, take some goopy white paste material from an old can, apply the goop
                                            to the patches and than cover the hole with a patch on each side. For good
                                            measure, he took a small hammer and pounded in a rivet into the center of
                                            the patches to make sure they would stay put. While the drotar was doing
                                            this, other ladies would be standing around with their pots waiting for
                                            their turn with the drotar and at the same time catching up on all the local
                                            news. The kids, me included, would be jumping around, being pesty, while
                                            watching the drotar at his work. I marveled at his expertise.. He could
                                            turn an old leaky pot into a perfectly good utensil. He was like Einstein,
                                            but of course, I never heard of Einstein. My grandmother had some old pots
                                            that must have had a least a half a dozen patches on the sides and bottom.

                                            Regarding the enrichment of the village gene pool, perhaps the tinker made
                                            his contribution, but he didn't come around often enough to make that much
                                            of a difference. And when he did come, perhaps once a year, he was in the
                                            village for no more than a day or two. This was scarcely enough time for a
                                            romance to blossom. On the other hand, when time is short, I suppose the
                                            romancing process can be accelerated.

                                            The Gypsies also came to town once or twice a year. They camped in their
                                            wagons just outside the village. They were great musicians and were often
                                            hired to play at weddings. They were also considered to be thieves so they
                                            were blamed for everything that got lost or stolen. When the Gypsies came
                                            to town, you had to lock everything up. But my wise old grandmother told me
                                            that it wasn't the Gypsies who stealing, it was the Slovaks who stealing
                                            from one another knowing that the Gypsies would get blamed. Although, many
                                            a Slovak youth was romanced by a pretty Gypsy girl, the girl always left
                                            with her band and so if the gene pool was not enriched, it left Luzna.

                                            Foreign soldiers, on the other hand, did make a definite contribution.
                                            During WWII, we had Germans, Russians as well as Slovak soldiers (from other
                                            areas) fighting in the mountains around the village and they left a number
                                            of young Luzna girls in a family way. Prior to WWI, the local Hungarian
                                            gentry routinely visited the local villages, including Luzna, and had their
                                            way with the girls, but they insisted on "only the prettiest girls". Going
                                            back even further, there are some mounds just outside of Luzna, where
                                            according to local tradition, Turkish soldiers are buried. These soldiers
                                            were killed while they were raiding the area around 1690. Prior to going to
                                            their graves, they undoubted also contributed to the gene pool. Many of my
                                            Luzna neighbors had high cheek bones and other physical traits that would
                                            suggest an middle eastern heritage.

                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: "Ron Matviyak" <amiak@...>
                                            To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                                            Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:57 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village


                                            > By "tinker" I mean a person who might have worked in wire or tin, repaired
                                            > pots or 'tinkered' with many other things to fix broken household items. A
                                            > tinker could be any nationality, and it was once a definite part of Slovak
                                            > life. Here is a site with some photos and part of the story...
                                            > http://www.slovakheritage.org/Folkartists/tinkers93.htm
                                            > This pretty well covers my meaning:
                                            >
                                            > "Tinkers from Kysuce are known and respected throughout the world. They
                                            were
                                            > the first ones that made the humane mouse trap. They used to manufacture
                                            the
                                            > bird cages for Russian Czars, toys for children, tools for medical
                                            > profession. A good tinker when he left and didn't know how to read or
                                            write,
                                            > when he returned after years, he was fluent in at least five languages. In
                                            > those days, there was a lot of misery, lots of the people went abroad for
                                            > work to make money and came back, many years later. "
                                            >
                                            > I tried a search for "Slovak tinker" on Dogpile and came up empty. These
                                            > sites were some of the first listed on Google. Good luck & have fun!
                                            >
                                            > Here is another good one, and note that "In fact, the region came to be
                                            > known as Drotaria, or Tinker Country, from drotar, Slovak for tinker" in
                                            > turn the Slovak "Drotar" comes from the German Draht for wire and
                                            "Drahter".
                                            > for wire worker.
                                            >
                                            > http://www.cnewa.org/CNE25-6-pp26-29.htm
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Ron
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > From: Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...>
                                            > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                                            > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:27 AM
                                            > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > >
                                            > > Question, by "tinkers" do you mean the folks (I've
                                            > > heard the term traveling in Ireland) in those colorful
                                            > > horse-drawn carts, the people I actually thought were
                                            > > originally called Gypsies? If not, could you please
                                            > > explain the term tinker? Thanks!
                                            > >
                                            > > Caye
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > --- Ron Matviyak <amiak@...> wrote:
                                            > > > Santi,
                                            > > >
                                            > > > There is also a tradition that have not been
                                            > > > mentioned in this thread, and
                                            > > > must be considered. Slovaks had a long tradition of
                                            > > > sending out Tinkers,
                                            > > > not only locally but also internationally, and they
                                            > > > could return seasonally
                                            > > > or only every few years, all dependent upon
                                            > > > economics and ties to family and
                                            > > > village. Through the tinkers there was supposed to
                                            > > > be quite a bit of
                                            > > > cultural cross-fertilization. So it wasn't just
                                            > > > passing soldiers who might
                                            > > > have brought some fresh genes to the village pool,
                                            > > > or new ideas to remote
                                            > > > areas. The other activity seemed to be primarily
                                            > > > seasonal migrant labor
                                            > > > from the highlands to the lowlands of Hungary to
                                            > > > bring (as today) hard
                                            > > > earned cash from wherever work could be found. One
                                            > > > of the crises Hungary
                                            > > > and Czechoslovakia faced after WW I was the surplus
                                            > > > of labor in Slovakia and
                                            > > > the loss of seasonal workers in Hungary.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > None of that is to argue against most of the village
                                            > > > population staying put,
                                            > > > close to home. We must just recognize that some
                                            > > > people did travel and bring
                                            > > > new money and new ideas home, and maybe the new wife
                                            > > > from the village not so
                                            > > > far away.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Ron
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > From: <SantiDClaireS@...>
                                            > > > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 10:02 AM
                                            > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > Hi, I was just reading the posts about everyone
                                            > > > being related to everyone
                                            > > > > else in the same small village. You know if you
                                            > > > think about it if someone
                                            > > > > was born and raised in the same small village as
                                            > > > their father and
                                            > > > grandfather
                                            > > > > for several generations back and few traveled even
                                            > > > to another village only
                                            > > > 10
                                            > > > > or 15 miles away, imagine the courage it must have
                                            > > > taken for some of our
                                            > > > > fathers and grandfathers to not only leave their
                                            > > > village but travel
                                            > > > thousands
                                            > > > > of miles to a completely new country. It is no
                                            > > > wonder that they tended to
                                            > > > > congregate in the same communities when they
                                            > > > arrived in a strange new
                                            > > > world.
                                            > > > > Just some thoughts. Sandy
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                                          • Caye Caswick
                                            Wow, excellent recount, thanks Milan! Amazing, my mother called the eye/cheekbone thing the Mongolian Result. Guess those traveling mauraders actually
                                            Message 21 of 28 , Oct 31, 2001
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                                              Wow, excellent recount, thanks Milan! Amazing, my
                                              mother called the eye/cheekbone thing the "Mongolian
                                              Result." Guess those "traveling mauraders" actually
                                              had fun and got to see the sights too. LOL.

                                              Caye


                                              --- Milan Huba <illy@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > I remember when the old tinker (drotar) came to
                                              > Luzna. All the old ladies
                                              > ran out to meet him on the road with their leaky
                                              > pots that needed repair.
                                              > The drotar would cut out two round patches from a
                                              > piece of scrap sheet
                                              > metal, take some goopy white paste material from an
                                              > old can, apply the goop
                                              > to the patches and than cover the hole with a patch
                                              > on each side. For good
                                              > measure, he took a small hammer and pounded in a
                                              > rivet into the center of
                                              > the patches to make sure they would stay put. While
                                              > the drotar was doing
                                              > this, other ladies would be standing around with
                                              > their pots waiting for
                                              > their turn with the drotar and at the same time
                                              > catching up on all the local
                                              > news. The kids, me included, would be jumping
                                              > around, being pesty, while
                                              > watching the drotar at his work. I marveled at his
                                              > expertise.. He could
                                              > turn an old leaky pot into a perfectly good utensil.
                                              > He was like Einstein,
                                              > but of course, I never heard of Einstein. My
                                              > grandmother had some old pots
                                              > that must have had a least a half a dozen patches on
                                              > the sides and bottom.
                                              >
                                              > Regarding the enrichment of the village gene pool,
                                              > perhaps the tinker made
                                              > his contribution, but he didn't come around often
                                              > enough to make that much
                                              > of a difference. And when he did come, perhaps
                                              > once a year, he was in the
                                              > village for no more than a day or two. This was
                                              > scarcely enough time for a
                                              > romance to blossom. On the other hand, when time is
                                              > short, I suppose the
                                              > romancing process can be accelerated.
                                              >
                                              > The Gypsies also came to town once or twice a year.
                                              > They camped in their
                                              > wagons just outside the village. They were great
                                              > musicians and were often
                                              > hired to play at weddings. They were also
                                              > considered to be thieves so they
                                              > were blamed for everything that got lost or stolen.
                                              > When the Gypsies came
                                              > to town, you had to lock everything up. But my wise
                                              > old grandmother told me
                                              > that it wasn't the Gypsies who stealing, it was the
                                              > Slovaks who stealing
                                              > from one another knowing that the Gypsies would get
                                              > blamed. Although, many
                                              > a Slovak youth was romanced by a pretty Gypsy girl,
                                              > the girl always left
                                              > with her band and so if the gene pool was not
                                              > enriched, it left Luzna.
                                              >
                                              > Foreign soldiers, on the other hand, did make a
                                              > definite contribution.
                                              > During WWII, we had Germans, Russians as well as
                                              > Slovak soldiers (from other
                                              > areas) fighting in the mountains around the village
                                              > and they left a number
                                              > of young Luzna girls in a family way. Prior to WWI,
                                              > the local Hungarian
                                              > gentry routinely visited the local villages,
                                              > including Luzna, and had their
                                              > way with the girls, but they insisted on "only the
                                              > prettiest girls". Going
                                              > back even further, there are some mounds just
                                              > outside of Luzna, where
                                              > according to local tradition, Turkish soldiers are
                                              > buried. These soldiers
                                              > were killed while they were raiding the area around
                                              > 1690. Prior to going to
                                              > their graves, they undoubted also contributed to the
                                              > gene pool. Many of my
                                              > Luzna neighbors had high cheek bones and other
                                              > physical traits that would
                                              > suggest an middle eastern heritage.
                                              >
                                              > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > From: "Ron Matviyak" <amiak@...>
                                              > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                                              > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:57 PM
                                              > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > > By "tinker" I mean a person who might have worked
                                              > in wire or tin, repaired
                                              > > pots or 'tinkered' with many other things to fix
                                              > broken household items. A
                                              > > tinker could be any nationality, and it was once a
                                              > definite part of Slovak
                                              > > life. Here is a site with some photos and part of
                                              > the story...
                                              > >
                                              >
                                              http://www.slovakheritage.org/Folkartists/tinkers93.htm
                                              > > This pretty well covers my meaning:
                                              > >
                                              > > "Tinkers from Kysuce are known and respected
                                              > throughout the world. They
                                              > were
                                              > > the first ones that made the humane mouse trap.
                                              > They used to manufacture
                                              > the
                                              > > bird cages for Russian Czars, toys for children,
                                              > tools for medical
                                              > > profession. A good tinker when he left and didn't
                                              > know how to read or
                                              > write,
                                              > > when he returned after years, he was fluent in at
                                              > least five languages. In
                                              > > those days, there was a lot of misery, lots of the
                                              > people went abroad for
                                              > > work to make money and came back, many years
                                              > later. "
                                              > >
                                              > > I tried a search for "Slovak tinker" on Dogpile
                                              > and came up empty. These
                                              > > sites were some of the first listed on Google.
                                              > Good luck & have fun!
                                              > >
                                              > > Here is another good one, and note that "In fact,
                                              > the region came to be
                                              > > known as Drotaria, or Tinker Country, from drotar,
                                              > Slovak for tinker" in
                                              > > turn the Slovak "Drotar" comes from the German
                                              > Draht for wire and
                                              > "Drahter".
                                              > > for wire worker.
                                              > >
                                              > > http://www.cnewa.org/CNE25-6-pp26-29.htm
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > Ron
                                              > >
                                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > > From: Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...>
                                              > > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                                              > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:27 AM
                                              > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Question, by "tinkers" do you mean the folks
                                              > (I've
                                              > > > heard the term traveling in Ireland) in those
                                              > colorful
                                              > > > horse-drawn carts, the people I actually thought
                                              > were
                                              > > > originally called Gypsies? If not, could you
                                              > please
                                              > > > explain the term tinker? Thanks!
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Caye
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > --- Ron Matviyak <amiak@...> wrote:
                                              > > > > Santi,
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > There is also a tradition that have not been
                                              > > > > mentioned in this thread, and
                                              > > > > must be considered. Slovaks had a long
                                              > tradition of
                                              > > > > sending out Tinkers,
                                              > > > > not only locally but also internationally, and
                                              > they
                                              > > > > could return seasonally
                                              > > > > or only every few years, all dependent upon
                                              > > > > economics and ties to family and
                                              > > > > village. Through the tinkers there was
                                              > supposed to
                                              > > > > be quite a bit of
                                              > > > > cultural cross-fertilization. So it wasn't
                                              > just
                                              > > > > passing soldiers who might
                                              > > > > have brought some fresh genes to the village
                                              > pool,
                                              > > > > or new ideas to remote
                                              > > > > areas. The other activity seemed to be
                                              > primarily
                                              > > > > seasonal migrant labor
                                              > > > > from the highlands to the lowlands of Hungary
                                              > to
                                              > > > > bring (as today) hard
                                              > > > > earned cash from wherever work could be found.
                                              > One
                                              > > > > of the crises Hungary
                                              > > > > and Czechoslovakia faced after WW I was the
                                              > surplus
                                              > > > > of labor in Slovakia and
                                              > > > > the loss of seasonal workers in Hungary.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > None of that is to argue against most of the
                                              > village
                                              >
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                                            • Milan Huba
                                              Your mother was absolutely right, as mothers so often are, those Mongolian devils did roam through Slovakia and besides creating havoc, they made their
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                                                Your mother was absolutely right, as mothers so often are, those Mongolian
                                                devils did roam through Slovakia and besides creating havoc, they made their
                                                contribution to our gene pool. I ran out of time when I was discussing the
                                                invaders so I didn't mention them. Besides, Liptovska Luzna is a relatively
                                                new village, only about 400 years old, and it wasn't around when the
                                                Mongolians visited those parts.

                                                The high cheekbones may be from the Mongolians but they left an even more
                                                interesting marker. Most, but probably not all, of their descendants have a
                                                blue birthmark at the bottom of their spine. So check out your kids. If
                                                you find that they have that blue birth mark on their tailbone, you have a
                                                least one Mongolian ancestor.


                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                From: "Caye Caswick" <ccaswick@...>
                                                To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                                                Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:11 AM
                                                Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village


                                                >
                                                > Wow, excellent recount, thanks Milan! Amazing, my
                                                > mother called the eye/cheekbone thing the "Mongolian
                                                > Result." Guess those "traveling mauraders" actually
                                                > had fun and got to see the sights too. LOL.
                                                >
                                                > Caye
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > --- Milan Huba <illy@...> wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > I remember when the old tinker (drotar) came to
                                                > > Luzna. All the old ladies
                                                > > ran out to meet him on the road with their leaky
                                                > > pots that needed repair.
                                                > > The drotar would cut out two round patches from a
                                                > > piece of scrap sheet
                                                > > metal, take some goopy white paste material from an
                                                > > old can, apply the goop
                                                > > to the patches and than cover the hole with a patch
                                                > > on each side. For good
                                                > > measure, he took a small hammer and pounded in a
                                                > > rivet into the center of
                                                > > the patches to make sure they would stay put. While
                                                > > the drotar was doing
                                                > > this, other ladies would be standing around with
                                                > > their pots waiting for
                                                > > their turn with the drotar and at the same time
                                                > > catching up on all the local
                                                > > news. The kids, me included, would be jumping
                                                > > around, being pesty, while
                                                > > watching the drotar at his work. I marveled at his
                                                > > expertise.. He could
                                                > > turn an old leaky pot into a perfectly good utensil.
                                                > > He was like Einstein,
                                                > > but of course, I never heard of Einstein. My
                                                > > grandmother had some old pots
                                                > > that must have had a least a half a dozen patches on
                                                > > the sides and bottom.
                                                > >
                                                > > Regarding the enrichment of the village gene pool,
                                                > > perhaps the tinker made
                                                > > his contribution, but he didn't come around often
                                                > > enough to make that much
                                                > > of a difference. And when he did come, perhaps
                                                > > once a year, he was in the
                                                > > village for no more than a day or two. This was
                                                > > scarcely enough time for a
                                                > > romance to blossom. On the other hand, when time is
                                                > > short, I suppose the
                                                > > romancing process can be accelerated.
                                                > >
                                                > > The Gypsies also came to town once or twice a year.
                                                > > They camped in their
                                                > > wagons just outside the village. They were great
                                                > > musicians and were often
                                                > > hired to play at weddings. They were also
                                                > > considered to be thieves so they
                                                > > were blamed for everything that got lost or stolen.
                                                > > When the Gypsies came
                                                > > to town, you had to lock everything up. But my wise
                                                > > old grandmother told me
                                                > > that it wasn't the Gypsies who stealing, it was the
                                                > > Slovaks who stealing
                                                > > from one another knowing that the Gypsies would get
                                                > > blamed. Although, many
                                                > > a Slovak youth was romanced by a pretty Gypsy girl,
                                                > > the girl always left
                                                > > with her band and so if the gene pool was not
                                                > > enriched, it left Luzna.
                                                > >
                                                > > Foreign soldiers, on the other hand, did make a
                                                > > definite contribution.
                                                > > During WWII, we had Germans, Russians as well as
                                                > > Slovak soldiers (from other
                                                > > areas) fighting in the mountains around the village
                                                > > and they left a number
                                                > > of young Luzna girls in a family way. Prior to WWI,
                                                > > the local Hungarian
                                                > > gentry routinely visited the local villages,
                                                > > including Luzna, and had their
                                                > > way with the girls, but they insisted on "only the
                                                > > prettiest girls". Going
                                                > > back even further, there are some mounds just
                                                > > outside of Luzna, where
                                                > > according to local tradition, Turkish soldiers are
                                                > > buried. These soldiers
                                                > > were killed while they were raiding the area around
                                                > > 1690. Prior to going to
                                                > > their graves, they undoubted also contributed to the
                                                > > gene pool. Many of my
                                                > > Luzna neighbors had high cheek bones and other
                                                > > physical traits that would
                                                > > suggest an middle eastern heritage.
                                                > >
                                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > From: "Ron Matviyak" <amiak@...>
                                                > > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                                                > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:57 PM
                                                > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > > By "tinker" I mean a person who might have worked
                                                > > in wire or tin, repaired
                                                > > > pots or 'tinkered' with many other things to fix
                                                > > broken household items. A
                                                > > > tinker could be any nationality, and it was once a
                                                > > definite part of Slovak
                                                > > > life. Here is a site with some photos and part of
                                                > > the story...
                                                > > >
                                                > >
                                                > http://www.slovakheritage.org/Folkartists/tinkers93.htm
                                                > > > This pretty well covers my meaning:
                                                > > >
                                                > > > "Tinkers from Kysuce are known and respected
                                                > > throughout the world. They
                                                > > were
                                                > > > the first ones that made the humane mouse trap.
                                                > > They used to manufacture
                                                > > the
                                                > > > bird cages for Russian Czars, toys for children,
                                                > > tools for medical
                                                > > > profession. A good tinker when he left and didn't
                                                > > know how to read or
                                                > > write,
                                                > > > when he returned after years, he was fluent in at
                                                > > least five languages. In
                                                > > > those days, there was a lot of misery, lots of the
                                                > > people went abroad for
                                                > > > work to make money and came back, many years
                                                > > later. "
                                                > > >
                                                > > > I tried a search for "Slovak tinker" on Dogpile
                                                > > and came up empty. These
                                                > > > sites were some of the first listed on Google.
                                                > > Good luck & have fun!
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Here is another good one, and note that "In fact,
                                                > > the region came to be
                                                > > > known as Drotaria, or Tinker Country, from drotar,
                                                > > Slovak for tinker" in
                                                > > > turn the Slovak "Drotar" comes from the German
                                                > > Draht for wire and
                                                > > "Drahter".
                                                > > > for wire worker.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > http://www.cnewa.org/CNE25-6-pp26-29.htm
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Ron
                                                > > >
                                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > > From: Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...>
                                                > > > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                                                > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:27 AM
                                                > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Relatives in same village
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Question, by "tinkers" do you mean the folks
                                                > > (I've
                                                > > > > heard the term traveling in Ireland) in those
                                                > > colorful
                                                > > > > horse-drawn carts, the people I actually thought
                                                > > were
                                                > > > > originally called Gypsies? If not, could you
                                                > > please
                                                > > > > explain the term tinker? Thanks!
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Caye
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > --- Ron Matviyak <amiak@...> wrote:
                                                > > > > > Santi,
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > There is also a tradition that have not been
                                                > > > > > mentioned in this thread, and
                                                > > > > > must be considered. Slovaks had a long
                                                > > tradition of
                                                > > > > > sending out Tinkers,
                                                > > > > > not only locally but also internationally, and
                                                > > they
                                                > > > > > could return seasonally
                                                > > > > > or only every few years, all dependent upon
                                                > > > > > economics and ties to family and
                                                > > > > > village. Through the tinkers there was
                                                > > supposed to
                                                > > > > > be quite a bit of
                                                > > > > > cultural cross-fertilization. So it wasn't
                                                > > just
                                                > > > > > passing soldiers who might
                                                > > > > > have brought some fresh genes to the village
                                                > > pool,
                                                > > > > > or new ideas to remote
                                                > > > > > areas. The other activity seemed to be
                                                > > primarily
                                                > > > > > seasonal migrant labor
                                                > > > > > from the highlands to the lowlands of Hungary
                                                > > to
                                                > > > > > bring (as today) hard
                                                > > > > > earned cash from wherever work could be found.
                                                > > One
                                                > > > > > of the crises Hungary
                                                > > > > > and Czechoslovakia faced after WW I was the
                                                > > surplus
                                                > > > > > of labor in Slovakia and
                                                > > > > > the loss of seasonal workers in Hungary.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > None of that is to argue against most of the
                                                > > village
                                                > >
                                                > === message truncated ===
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                                              • nancy hagen
                                                Those blue marks are called Mongolian marks here in the states. They are also found on the tailbone of other asian folk such as the Koreans. They fade with
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                                                  Those blue marks are called Mongolian marks here in the states. They are
                                                  also found on the tailbone of other asian folk such as the Koreans. They
                                                  fade with time and are not permanent.
                                                  Have loved this discussion of all the history--
                                                  Nancy
                                                • John
                                                  ... Or Native American. John
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                                                    At 07:22 PM 10/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
                                                    >blue birthmark at the bottom of their spine. So check out your kids. If
                                                    >you find that they have that blue birth mark on their tailbone, you have a
                                                    >least one Mongolian ancestor.

                                                    Or Native American.

                                                    John
                                                  • Mary Hudec
                                                    I ve been searching for any info on Maria Bartosik or any information on Bartosik in general. Maria was born in Bratislava in 1892. I ve searched the boat
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                                                      I've been searching for any info on Maria Bartosik or
                                                      any information on Bartosik in general. Maria was
                                                      born in Bratislava in 1892. I've searched the boat
                                                      lists for her without any luck. She married Anton
                                                      Hudec and had her first child in 1918. Any suggestions
                                                      on where to go now?

                                                      Thanks
                                                      Mary

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                                                    • Caye Caswick
                                                      Hello Mary: That name Hudec sounds (at lest phonetically) like a name my mother knew. I d like to say Helen Hudec/k, who she would have known from Cleveland,
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                                                        Hello Mary:

                                                        That name Hudec sounds (at lest phonetically) like a
                                                        name my mother knew. I'd like to say Helen Hudec/k,
                                                        who she would have known from Cleveland, Ohio. Does
                                                        this ring any bells with you?

                                                        Caye


                                                        --- Mary Hudec <hawaiihudec@...> wrote:
                                                        > I've been searching for any info on Maria Bartosik
                                                        > or
                                                        > any information on Bartosik in general. Maria was
                                                        > born in Bratislava in 1892. I've searched the boat
                                                        > lists for her without any luck. She married Anton
                                                        > Hudec and had her first child in 1918. Any
                                                        > suggestions
                                                        > on where to go now?
                                                        >
                                                        > Thanks
                                                        > Mary
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                                                      • Mary Hudec
                                                        Hi Caye Being a Hudec I ve heard of quite a few variations from Hudec to Hudac , Hudek etc. I m from Wisconsin orginally but the only ones there our my
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                                                          Hi Caye

                                                          Being a Hudec I've heard of quite a few variations
                                                          from "Hudec" to "Hudac","Hudek" etc. I'm from
                                                          Wisconsin orginally but the only ones there our my
                                                          direct relatives. I've been told that Hudec is a
                                                          common name especially in Bratislava where my great
                                                          grand parents are from. I've gotten as far back as
                                                          1849 on the Hudec side but only know that Maria
                                                          Bartosik came over alone sometime between 1910 and
                                                          1918. It seems that quite a few young women came over
                                                          on their own. Was arranged marriages between the new
                                                          and old country common?

                                                          Mary

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                                                        • Caye Caswick
                                                          Hi Mary: Not in my family, no. However, my grandmother was part of that wave of immigration also. She and most of her fellow immigrants married men they met
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                                                            Hi Mary:

                                                            Not in my family, no. However, my grandmother was
                                                            part of that wave of immigration also. She and most
                                                            of her fellow immigrants married men they met here.
                                                            In particular, my grandmother married a Russian man
                                                            from Kiev. I will, however, say that my mother
                                                            conveyed to me that her parents "monitored" her dating
                                                            and potential mates with a fine tooth comb, but didn't
                                                            pre-arrange. After my mother had exhausted most of
                                                            the potentials in her church and the Russian Orthodox
                                                            church on the other side of town, she persuaded her
                                                            father to let her date others. I think it probably
                                                            took a lot of work on my mother's part.

                                                            Caye


                                                            --- Mary Hudec <hawaiihudec@...> wrote:
                                                            >
                                                            > Hi Caye
                                                            >
                                                            > Being a Hudec I've heard of quite a few variations
                                                            > from "Hudec" to "Hudac","Hudek" etc. I'm from
                                                            > Wisconsin orginally but the only ones there our my
                                                            > direct relatives. I've been told that Hudec is a
                                                            > common name especially in Bratislava where my great
                                                            > grand parents are from. I've gotten as far back as
                                                            > 1849 on the Hudec side but only know that Maria
                                                            > Bartosik came over alone sometime between 1910 and
                                                            > 1918. It seems that quite a few young women came
                                                            > over
                                                            > on their own. Was arranged marriages between the new
                                                            > and old country common?
                                                            >
                                                            > Mary
                                                            >
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