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  • Zuzana Peer
    Lynn, there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a Slovak word.   Your Grandfather s name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably
    Message 1 of 30 , Mar 8 9:20 PM
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      Lynn,
      there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a Slovak word.
       
      Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very Slovak.
       
      Zuzana


      ________________________________
      From: MGMojher <mgmojher@...>
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
      Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay


       

      Lynne,
      As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does provide this:
      Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica, 1863 Werbice, 1873–1913 Verbic, 1920–1923 Vrbica

      As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was incorporated into:
      1275 Liptovský Mikuláš LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 pričl. o. Mikulášsky Hušták, Vrbický Hušták; 1923 pričl. o. Vrbica;

      Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find. There was a Restauracia Vrbica.

      The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in Bratislava. The 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing for Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not seem like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in Slovakia, it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The Hungarian government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For 900 years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.

      This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky Mikulas. Happy searching.
      https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443

      There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
      https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443

      From: Lynne Wilson
      Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
      To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [S-R] Belnay

      I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter Belnay, was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia" Vrbeicz on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there any Belnays here?

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    • MGMojher
      Priezvisko BELAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 131×, celkový počet lokalít: 46, najčastejšie výskyty v lokalitách: This is the closest to
      Message 2 of 30 , Mar 9 8:15 AM
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        Priezvisko BELAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 131×, celkový počet lokalít: 46, najčastejšie výskyty v lokalitách:

        This is the closest to Belnaj in the 1995 Slovak Cenus. No places okres Liptovska Mikulas was listed in the top ten. Belan was the only surname that came close in the 2005 Liptovska Mikulas telephone book.

        From: Zuzana Peer
        Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 9:20 PM
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay


        Lynn,
        there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a Slovak word.

        Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very Slovak.

        Zuzana


        ________________________________
        From: MGMojher <mailto:mgmojher%40verizon.net>
        To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay




        Lynne,
        As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does provide this:
        Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica, 1863 Werbice, 1873–1913 Verbic, 1920–1923 Vrbica

        As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was incorporated into:
        1275 Liptovský Mikuláš LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 pričl. o. Mikulášsky Hušták, Vrbický Hušták; 1923 pričl. o. Vrbica;

        Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find. There was a Restauracia Vrbica.

        The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in Bratislava. The 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing for Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not seem like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in Slovakia, it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The Hungarian government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For 900 years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.

        This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky Mikulas. Happy searching.
        https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443

        There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
        https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443

        From: Lynne Wilson
        Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
        To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [S-R] Belnay

        I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter Belnay, was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia" Vrbeicz on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there any Belnays here?

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      • Lynne Wilson
        Zuzana- The name is Belnay; the town was Verbicz, according to immigration records, as below. Peter was my grandather, Rose (Rosa) my grandmother. My fathers
        Message 3 of 30 , Mar 9 8:53 AM
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          Zuzana-

          The name is Belnay; the town was Verbicz, according to immigration records,
          as below. Peter was my grandather, Rose (Rosa) my grandmother. My fathers
          brothers, John (Johann) and Julius were born in Czechoslovakia. My father,
          Peter, Jr., and his younger brother, Alex, were born in New Jersey.

          I have the records from the ship (Kronprinz Wilhelm) they arrived in,
          departing from Bremen.

          Coming thru EIlis Island in 1903 a Peter BELNAY from Verbicz.
          The village of Verbicz is Vrbica and now part of town of Liptovsky Mikulas.
          BELNAY: Johann, Julius and Rosa arriving in 1903 from L.Srt. Miklos should
          be L. Szt. Miklos - Liptoszentmiklos = Liptovsky Svaty Mikulas aka
          Liptovsky Mikulas and going to a husband and father Peter BELNAY.

          I am not surprised that there is no Belnay listed in the 2005 directory, I
          suspect much has changed since then and perhaps the family moved away. One
          of my hopeful goals is in joining this group is to see if I can find any
          Belnays in Slovakia or near there.

          I have seen Belnaj mentioned in the Slovak Roots, perhaps there is a
          relationship. But if I recall, the Belnaj in question came from Croatia.

          Thank you for your input!

          Lynne Belnay Wilson

          On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:15 AM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:

          > **
          >
          >
          > Priezvisko BELAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nach�dzalo 131�, celkov�
          > po�et lokal�t: 46, naj�astej�ie v�skyty v lokalit�ch:
          >
          > This is the closest to Belnaj in the 1995 Slovak Cenus. No places okres
          > Liptovska Mikulas was listed in the top ten. Belan was the only surname
          > that came close in the 2005 Liptovska Mikulas telephone book.
          >
          > From: Zuzana Peer
          > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 9:20 PM
          > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
          >
          > Lynn,
          > there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a Slovak
          > word.
          >
          > Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably
          > Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very Slovak.
          >
          > Zuzana
          >
          > ________________________________
          > From: MGMojher <mailto:mgmojher%40verizon.net>
          > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
          > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
          >
          > Lynne,
          > As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no
          > listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does provide
          > this:
          > Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica, 1863
          > Werbice, 1873-1913 Verbic, 1920-1923 Vrbica
          >
          > As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was
          > incorporated into:
          > 1275 Liptovsk� Mikul�� LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 pri�l. o. Mikul��sky Hu�t�k,
          > Vrbick� Hu�t�k; 1923 pri�l. o. Vrbica;
          >
          > Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find. There
          > was a Restauracia Vrbica.
          >
          > The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in Bratislava. The
          > 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing for
          > Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not seem
          > like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in Slovakia,
          > it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The Hungarian
          > government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For 900
          > years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.
          >
          > This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky Mikulas.
          > Happy searching.
          >
          > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443
          >
          > There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
          >
          > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443
          >
          > From: Lynne Wilson
          > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
          > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: [S-R] Belnay
          >
          > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have
          > learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter Belnay,
          > was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia" Vrbeicz
          > on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there any
          > Belnays here?
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
          >
          >


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        • Lynne Wilson
          Zuzana- I meant Serbia, not Croatia. (Belnaj), as per this entry : My maternal grandfather, Peter Belnaj, was from Rushkur, Hungary in 1909. Ellis Island was
          Message 4 of 30 , Mar 9 9:04 AM
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            Zuzana-

            I meant Serbia, not Croatia. (Belnaj), as per this entry :

            My maternal grandfather, Peter Belnaj, was from Rushkur, Hungary in 1909.
            Ellis Island was as far back as I have been able to trace him as well. I
            believe Rushkur is now in Serbia.

            This is not my grandfather.

            Lynne Belnay Wilson

            On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:15 AM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:

            > **
            >
            >
            > Priezvisko BELAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nach�dzalo 131�, celkov�
            > po�et lokal�t: 46, naj�astej�ie v�skyty v lokalit�ch:
            >
            > This is the closest to Belnaj in the 1995 Slovak Cenus. No places okres
            > Liptovska Mikulas was listed in the top ten. Belan was the only surname
            > that came close in the 2005 Liptovska Mikulas telephone book.
            >
            > From: Zuzana Peer
            > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 9:20 PM
            > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
            >
            > Lynn,
            > there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a Slovak
            > word.
            >
            > Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably
            > Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very Slovak.
            >
            > Zuzana
            >
            > ________________________________
            > From: MGMojher <mailto:mgmojher%40verizon.net>
            > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
            > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
            >
            > Lynne,
            > As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no
            > listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does provide
            > this:
            > Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica, 1863
            > Werbice, 1873-1913 Verbic, 1920-1923 Vrbica
            >
            > As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was
            > incorporated into:
            > 1275 Liptovsk� Mikul�� LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 pri�l. o. Mikul��sky Hu�t�k,
            > Vrbick� Hu�t�k; 1923 pri�l. o. Vrbica;
            >
            > Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find. There
            > was a Restauracia Vrbica.
            >
            > The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in Bratislava. The
            > 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing for
            > Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not seem
            > like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in Slovakia,
            > it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The Hungarian
            > government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For 900
            > years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.
            >
            > This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky Mikulas.
            > Happy searching.
            >
            > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443
            >
            > There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
            >
            > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443
            >
            > From: Lynne Wilson
            > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
            > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
            > Subject: [S-R] Belnay
            >
            > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have
            > learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter Belnay,
            > was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia" Vrbeicz
            > on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there any
            > Belnays here?
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
            >
            >


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          • htcstech
            There are a few BELNAI index entries in the Slovakia family search books:
            Message 5 of 30 , Mar 9 9:08 AM
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              There are a few BELNAI index entries in the Slovakia family search books:
              https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Abelnai~

              BELNAY would have been spelt BELNAI. I don't know how close the towns
              mntioned are.

              Peter M.

              On 10 March 2013 03:53, Lynne Wilson <sandalfoot0505@...> wrote:

              > Zuzana-
              >
              > The name is Belnay; the town was Verbicz, according to immigration records,
              > as below. Peter was my grandather, Rose (Rosa) my grandmother. My fathers
              > brothers, John (Johann) and Julius were born in Czechoslovakia. My father,
              > Peter, Jr., and his younger brother, Alex, were born in New Jersey.
              >
              > I have the records from the ship (Kronprinz Wilhelm) they arrived in,
              > departing from Bremen.
              >
              > Coming thru EIlis Island in 1903 a Peter BELNAY from Verbicz.
              > The village of Verbicz is Vrbica and now part of town of Liptovsky Mikulas.
              > BELNAY: Johann, Julius and Rosa arriving in 1903 from L.Srt. Miklos should
              > be L. Szt. Miklos - Liptoszentmiklos = Liptovsky Svaty Mikulas aka
              > Liptovsky Mikulas and going to a husband and father Peter BELNAY.
              >
              > I am not surprised that there is no Belnay listed in the 2005 directory, I
              > suspect much has changed since then and perhaps the family moved away. One
              > of my hopeful goals is in joining this group is to see if I can find any
              > Belnays in Slovakia or near there.
              >
              > I have seen Belnaj mentioned in the Slovak Roots, perhaps there is a
              > relationship. But if I recall, the Belnaj in question came from Croatia.
              >
              > Thank you for your input!
              >
              > Lynne Belnay Wilson
              >
              > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:15 AM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:
              >
              > > **
              > >
              > >
              > > Priezvisko BELAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 131×, celkový
              > > počet lokalít: 46, najčastejąie výskyty v lokalitách:
              > >
              > > This is the closest to Belnaj in the 1995 Slovak Cenus. No places okres
              > > Liptovska Mikulas was listed in the top ten. Belan was the only surname
              > > that came close in the 2005 Liptovska Mikulas telephone book.
              > >
              > > From: Zuzana Peer
              > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 9:20 PM
              > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
              > >
              > > Lynn,
              > > there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a Slovak
              > > word.
              > >
              > > Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably
              > > Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very Slovak.
              > >
              > > Zuzana
              > >
              > > ________________________________
              > > From: MGMojher <mailto:mgmojher%40verizon.net>
              > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
              > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
              > >
              > > Lynne,
              > > As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no
              > > listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does
              > provide
              > > this:
              > > Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica, 1863
              > > Werbice, 1873-1913 Verbic, 1920-1923 Vrbica
              > >
              > > As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was
              > > incorporated into:
              > > 1275 Liptovský Mikuláą LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 pričl. o. Mikuláąsky Huąták,
              > > Vrbický Huąták; 1923 pričl. o. Vrbica;
              > >
              > > Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find. There
              > > was a Restauracia Vrbica.
              > >
              > > The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in Bratislava.
              > The
              > > 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing for
              > > Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not seem
              > > like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in Slovakia,
              > > it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The
              > Hungarian
              > > government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For 900
              > > years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.
              > >
              > > This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky Mikulas.
              > > Happy searching.
              > >
              > >
              > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443
              > >
              > > There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
              > >
              > >
              > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443
              > >
              > > From: Lynne Wilson
              > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
              > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
              > > Subject: [S-R] Belnay
              > >
              > > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have
              > > learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter
              > Belnay,
              > > was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia" Vrbeicz
              > > on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there
              > any
              > > Belnays here?
              > >
              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > >
              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > >
              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >
              >
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            • htcstech
              Hmm.. Hre ar some more recent Belnay records from
              Message 6 of 30 , Mar 9 9:17 AM
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                Hmm.. Hre ar some more recent Belnay records from
                https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Abelnay~&collection_id=1554443&offset=40citing
                the town.

                Peter M.

                On 10 March 2013 04:04, Lynne Wilson <sandalfoot0505@...> wrote:

                > Zuzana-
                >
                > I meant Serbia, not Croatia. (Belnaj), as per this entry :
                >
                > My maternal grandfather, Peter Belnaj, was from Rushkur, Hungary in 1909.
                > Ellis Island was as far back as I have been able to trace him as well. I
                > believe Rushkur is now in Serbia.
                >
                > This is not my grandfather.
                >
                > Lynne Belnay Wilson
                >
                > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:15 AM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:
                >
                > > **
                > >
                > >
                > > Priezvisko BELAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 131×, celkový
                > > počet lokalít: 46, najčastejąie výskyty v lokalitách:
                > >
                > > This is the closest to Belnaj in the 1995 Slovak Cenus. No places okres
                > > Liptovska Mikulas was listed in the top ten. Belan was the only surname
                > > that came close in the 2005 Liptovska Mikulas telephone book.
                > >
                > > From: Zuzana Peer
                > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 9:20 PM
                > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                > >
                > > Lynn,
                > > there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a Slovak
                > > word.
                > >
                > > Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably
                > > Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very Slovak.
                > >
                > > Zuzana
                > >
                > > ________________________________
                > > From: MGMojher <mailto:mgmojher%40verizon.net>
                > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                > >
                > > Lynne,
                > > As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no
                > > listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does
                > provide
                > > this:
                > > Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica, 1863
                > > Werbice, 1873-1913 Verbic, 1920-1923 Vrbica
                > >
                > > As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was
                > > incorporated into:
                > > 1275 Liptovský Mikuláą LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 pričl. o. Mikuláąsky Huąták,
                > > Vrbický Huąták; 1923 pričl. o. Vrbica;
                > >
                > > Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find. There
                > > was a Restauracia Vrbica.
                > >
                > > The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in Bratislava.
                > The
                > > 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing for
                > > Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not seem
                > > like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in Slovakia,
                > > it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The
                > Hungarian
                > > government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For 900
                > > years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.
                > >
                > > This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky Mikulas.
                > > Happy searching.
                > >
                > >
                > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443
                > >
                > > There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
                > >
                > >
                > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443
                > >
                > > From: Lynne Wilson
                > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
                > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                > > Subject: [S-R] Belnay
                > >
                > > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have
                > > learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter
                > Belnay,
                > > was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia" Vrbeicz
                > > on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there
                > any
                > > Belnays here?
                > >
                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > >
                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > >
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                > >
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              • MGMojher
                Lynne, I took a look at the Ships Manifest for Peter and Rosa Belnay. It was interesting that Peter said his race was Magyar/Hungarian and Rosa said Slovak. It
                Message 7 of 30 , Mar 9 9:30 AM
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                  Lynne,
                  I took a look at the Ships Manifest for Peter and Rosa Belnay. It was
                  interesting that Peter said his race was Magyar/Hungarian and Rosa said
                  Slovak. It might be that Peter was Hungarian. Do you know what language
                  Peter and Rosa spoke?

                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: Lynne Wilson
                  Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 8:53 AM
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay

                  Zuzana-

                  The name is Belnay; the town was Verbicz, according to immigration records,
                  as below. Peter was my grandather, Rose (Rosa) my grandmother. My fathers
                  brothers, John (Johann) and Julius were born in Czechoslovakia. My father,
                  Peter, Jr., and his younger brother, Alex, were born in New Jersey.

                  I have the records from the ship (Kronprinz Wilhelm) they arrived in,
                  departing from Bremen.

                  Coming thru EIlis Island in 1903 a Peter BELNAY from Verbicz.
                  The village of Verbicz is Vrbica and now part of town of Liptovsky Mikulas.
                  BELNAY: Johann, Julius and Rosa arriving in 1903 from L.Srt. Miklos should
                  be L. Szt. Miklos - Liptoszentmiklos = Liptovsky Svaty Mikulas aka
                  Liptovsky Mikulas and going to a husband and father Peter BELNAY.

                  I am not surprised that there is no Belnay listed in the 2005 directory, I
                  suspect much has changed since then and perhaps the family moved away. One
                  of my hopeful goals is in joining this group is to see if I can find any
                  Belnays in Slovakia or near there.

                  I have seen Belnaj mentioned in the Slovak Roots, perhaps there is a
                  relationship. But if I recall, the Belnaj in question came from Croatia.

                  Thank you for your input!

                  Lynne Belnay Wilson

                  On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:15 AM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:

                  > **
                  >
                  >
                  > Priezvisko BELAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 131×, celkový
                  > poèet lokalít: 46, najèastej¹ie výskyty v lokalitách:
                  >
                  > This is the closest to Belnaj in the 1995 Slovak Cenus. No places okres
                  > Liptovska Mikulas was listed in the top ten. Belan was the only surname
                  > that came close in the 2005 Liptovska Mikulas telephone book.
                  >
                  > From: Zuzana Peer
                  > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 9:20 PM
                  > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                  >
                  > Lynn,
                  > there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a Slovak
                  > word.
                  >
                  > Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably
                  > Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very Slovak.
                  >
                  > Zuzana
                  >
                  > ________________________________
                  > From: MGMojher <mailto:mgmojher%40verizon.net>
                  > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                  >
                  > Lynne,
                  > As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no
                  > listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does provide
                  > this:
                  > Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica, 1863
                  > Werbice, 1873-1913 Verbic, 1920-1923 Vrbica
                  >
                  > As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was
                  > incorporated into:
                  > 1275 Liptovský Mikulá¹ LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 prièl. o. Mikulá¹sky Hu¹ták,
                  > Vrbický Hu¹ták; 1923 prièl. o. Vrbica;
                  >
                  > Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find. There
                  > was a Restauracia Vrbica.
                  >
                  > The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in Bratislava. The
                  > 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing for
                  > Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not seem
                  > like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in Slovakia,
                  > it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The
                  > Hungarian
                  > government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For 900
                  > years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.
                  >
                  > This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky Mikulas.
                  > Happy searching.
                  >
                  > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443
                  >
                  > There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
                  >
                  > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443
                  >
                  > From: Lynne Wilson
                  > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
                  > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: [S-R] Belnay
                  >
                  > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have
                  > learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter Belnay,
                  > was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia" Vrbeicz
                  > on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there
                  > any
                  > Belnays here?
                  >
                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  >
                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  >
                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  >
                  >
                  >


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                • t.salony
                  Lynne, I m wondering if you have more than one typo confusing things here. However, since you do Not use the VERBICZ spelling for the village, I m guessing
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                    Lynne,
                    I'm wondering if you have more than one typo confusing things here.

                    However, since you do Not use the VERBICZ spelling for the village, I'm guessing that you have not seen the May 6, 1903 passenger manifest for Peter?
                    [You'll have to join to see the link, but no cost.]
                    - Peter BELNAY (29 y.o. married farmer)(Hungary-Magyar), last residence VERBICZ, going to brother Julius BELNAY in Brooklyn, NY.

                    http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftif2gif.exe%3FT%3D\\\\192.168.100.11\\IMAGES\\T715-0351\\T715-03510550.TIF%26S%3D.5&pID=102642140031&name=Peter%26nbsp%3BBelnay&doa=May+06%2C+1903&port=Bremen&line=0001
                    --------------
                    Then, Aug. 18, 1903:
                    - Rosa BELNAY(the last letter is suspect) (27 y.o. married( (Hungary - Slovak) last residence ?L Srt Miklos?, going to husb Peter BELNAY 71 Berry str. Brooklyn, NY.
                    - Julius 3 y.o.
                    - "Johenn" 5 months

                    http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftif2gif.exe%3FT%3D\\\\192.168.100.11\\IMAGES\\T715-0386\\T715-03860404.TIF%26S%3D.5&pID=102680080008&name=Rosa%26nbsp%3BBelnay&doa=Aug+25%2C+1903&port=Bremen&line=0008

                    ALSO, look at lines 13, 14, & 15. Some more relatives going to the same address!

                    TOM



                    --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Lynne Wilson" <sandalfoot0505@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter Belnay, was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia" Vrbeicz on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there any Belnays here?
                    >
                  • t.salony
                    OOPS, I see there s been lots of responses since I starting my message. LOL, oh well.
                    Message 9 of 30 , Mar 9 11:08 AM
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                      OOPS, I see there's been lots of responses since I starting my message. LOL, oh well.


                      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "t.salony" <t.salony@...> wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Lynne,
                      > I'm wondering if you have more than one typo confusing things here.
                      >
                      > However, since you do Not use the VERBICZ spelling for the village, I'm guessing that you have not seen the May 6, 1903 passenger manifest for Peter?
                      > [You'll have to join to see the link, but no cost.]
                      > - Peter BELNAY (29 y.o. married farmer)(Hungary-Magyar), last residence VERBICZ, going to brother Julius BELNAY in Brooklyn, NY.
                      >
                      > http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftif2gif.exe%3FT%3D\\\\192.168.100.11\\IMAGES\\T715-0351\\T715-03510550.TIF%26S%3D.5&pID=102642140031&name=Peter%26nbsp%3BBelnay&doa=May+06%2C+1903&port=Bremen&line=0001
                      > --------------
                      > Then, Aug. 18, 1903:
                      > - Rosa BELNAY(the last letter is suspect) (27 y.o. married( (Hungary - Slovak) last residence ?L Srt Miklos?, going to husb Peter BELNAY 71 Berry str. Brooklyn, NY.
                      > - Julius 3 y.o.
                      > - "Johenn" 5 months
                      >
                      > http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftif2gif.exe%3FT%3D\\\\192.168.100.11\\IMAGES\\T715-0386\\T715-03860404.TIF%26S%3D.5&pID=102680080008&name=Rosa%26nbsp%3BBelnay&doa=Aug+25%2C+1903&port=Bremen&line=0008
                      >
                      > ALSO, look at lines 13, 14, & 15. Some more relatives going to the same address!
                      >
                      > TOM
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Lynne Wilson" <sandalfoot0505@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter Belnay, was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia" Vrbeicz on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there any Belnays here?
                      > >
                      >
                    • Lynne Wilson
                      That is interesting. To my knowledge, they spoke Czech. The first generation USA (my father and Uncle Alex) spoke English, but they understood their parents of
                      Message 10 of 30 , Mar 9 11:25 AM
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                        That is interesting. To my knowledge, they spoke Czech. The first
                        generation USA (my father and Uncle Alex) spoke English, but they
                        understood their parents of course. My father always said they were
                        speaking in Czech. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I can verify that since all
                        of those relatives are gone. Excepting those who know less than I do.

                        I knew the name "Belnay" (Belnai) was Hungarian. I worked at Voice of
                        America for 15 years, among many Hungarians, and it was made very clear to
                        me that that was a Hungarian name. But with borders changing, etc, I
                        assumed that the name might have been Hungarian but my grandparents grew
                        up in Czechoslovakia. Which is what father always said, that his family was
                        Czech.

                        Thank you for your interest!

                        Lynne

                        On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:30 PM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:

                        > **
                        >
                        >
                        > Lynne,
                        > I took a look at the Ships Manifest for Peter and Rosa Belnay. It was
                        > interesting that Peter said his race was Magyar/Hungarian and Rosa said
                        > Slovak. It might be that Peter was Hungarian. Do you know what language
                        > Peter and Rosa spoke?
                        >
                        > -----Original Message-----
                        > From: Lynne Wilson
                        > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 8:53 AM
                        > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                        >
                        > Zuzana-
                        >
                        > The name is Belnay; the town was Verbicz, according to immigration records,
                        > as below. Peter was my grandather, Rose (Rosa) my grandmother. My fathers
                        > brothers, John (Johann) and Julius were born in Czechoslovakia. My father,
                        > Peter, Jr., and his younger brother, Alex, were born in New Jersey.
                        >
                        > I have the records from the ship (Kronprinz Wilhelm) they arrived in,
                        > departing from Bremen.
                        >
                        > Coming thru EIlis Island in 1903 a Peter BELNAY from Verbicz.
                        > The village of Verbicz is Vrbica and now part of town of Liptovsky Mikulas.
                        > BELNAY: Johann, Julius and Rosa arriving in 1903 from L.Srt. Miklos should
                        > be L. Szt. Miklos - Liptoszentmiklos = Liptovsky Svaty Mikulas aka
                        > Liptovsky Mikulas and going to a husband and father Peter BELNAY.
                        >
                        > I am not surprised that there is no Belnay listed in the 2005 directory, I
                        > suspect much has changed since then and perhaps the family moved away. One
                        > of my hopeful goals is in joining this group is to see if I can find any
                        > Belnays in Slovakia or near there.
                        >
                        > I have seen Belnaj mentioned in the Slovak Roots, perhaps there is a
                        > relationship. But if I recall, the Belnaj in question came from Croatia.
                        >
                        > Thank you for your input!
                        >
                        > Lynne Belnay Wilson
                        >
                        > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:15 AM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > > **
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Priezvisko BELAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nach�dzalo 131�, celkov�
                        > > po�et lokal�t: 46, naj�astej�ie v�skyty v lokalit�ch:
                        > >
                        > > This is the closest to Belnaj in the 1995 Slovak Cenus. No places okres
                        > > Liptovska Mikulas was listed in the top ten. Belan was the only surname
                        > > that came close in the 2005 Liptovska Mikulas telephone book.
                        > >
                        > > From: Zuzana Peer
                        > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 9:20 PM
                        > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                        > >
                        > > Lynn,
                        > > there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a Slovak
                        > > word.
                        > >
                        > > Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably
                        > > Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very Slovak.
                        > >
                        > > Zuzana
                        > >
                        > > ________________________________
                        > > From: MGMojher <mailto:mgmojher%40verizon.net>
                        > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                        > > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
                        > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                        > >
                        > > Lynne,
                        > > As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no
                        > > listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does
                        > provide
                        > > this:
                        > > Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica, 1863
                        > > Werbice, 1873-1913 Verbic, 1920-1923 Vrbica
                        > >
                        > > As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was
                        > > incorporated into:
                        > > 1275 Liptovsk� Mikul�� LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 pri�l. o. Mikul��sky Hu�t�k,
                        > > Vrbick� Hu�t�k; 1923 pri�l. o. Vrbica;
                        > >
                        > > Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find. There
                        > > was a Restauracia Vrbica.
                        > >
                        > > The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in Bratislava.
                        > The
                        > > 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing for
                        > > Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not seem
                        > > like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in Slovakia,
                        > > it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The
                        > > Hungarian
                        > > government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For 900
                        > > years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.
                        > >
                        > > This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky Mikulas.
                        > > Happy searching.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443
                        > >
                        > > There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
                        > >
                        > >
                        > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443
                        > >
                        > > From: Lynne Wilson
                        > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
                        > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                        > > Subject: [S-R] Belnay
                        > >
                        > > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have
                        > > learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter
                        > Belnay,
                        > > was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia" Vrbeicz
                        > > on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there
                        > > any
                        > > Belnays here?
                        > >
                        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > >
                        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > >
                        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
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                      • Lynne Wilson
                        TOM, Thank you SO MUCH. I had a lot of typos. My apologies. I tried to send a text (from my cell), and that truly was a disaster with the spelling. I have the
                        Message 11 of 30 , Mar 9 11:57 AM
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                          TOM,

                          Thank you SO MUCH.

                          I had a lot of typos. My apologies. I tried to send a text (from my cell),
                          and that truly was a disaster with the spelling.

                          I have the passenger list in my house. It lists the names and class of
                          travel Peters being second. I will look at your link.

                          I have several other documents that could probably answer many of my
                          questions if I could understand the documents. I have:

                          *"Bizonyyitvany"* which I presume is a travel visa, also this
                          *"munkakonyve"* (umlad over the "o"). On the bottom of the first/title page
                          is "Budapest, 1884. Hmm, Hungarian?
                          "Nepfolkelesi igazolvanyi konyv." (also on the bottom of the cover
                          "Magyar-tot) ??
                          MAGYAR TIMAR

                          Since I have just begun this research, much of my resources have been
                          either untouched or simply given a cursory observation.
                          Perhaps I need to look at these documents very carefully before confusing
                          the issue!

                          It seems there are uncles I need to learn more about as well.Now that you
                          jog my memory, I do recall my mother speaking of my father's Uncle Julius
                          Belnay!

                          Thank you again. I have much to look at and more to learn.

                          Thank you,
                          Lynne

                          On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM, t.salony <t.salony@...> wrote:

                          > **
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Lynne,
                          > I'm wondering if you have more than one typo confusing things here.
                          >
                          > However, since you do Not use the VERBICZ spelling for the village, I'm
                          > guessing that you have not seen the May 6, 1903 passenger manifest for
                          > Peter?
                          > [You'll have to join to see the link, but no cost.]
                          > - Peter BELNAY (29 y.o. married farmer)(Hungary-Magyar), last residence
                          > VERBICZ, going to brother Julius BELNAY in Brooklyn, NY.
                          >
                          >
                          > http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftif2gif.exe%3FT%3D
                          > \\\\192.168.100.11\\IMAGES\\T715-0351\\T715-03510550.TIF%26S%3D.5&pID=102642140031&name=Peter%26nbsp%3BBelnay&doa=May+06%2C+1903&port=Bremen&line=0001
                          > --------------
                          > Then, Aug. 18, 1903:
                          > - Rosa BELNAY(the last letter is suspect) (27 y.o. married( (Hungary -
                          > Slovak) last residence ?L Srt Miklos?, going to husb Peter BELNAY 71 Berry
                          > str. Brooklyn, NY.
                          > - Julius 3 y.o.
                          > - "Johenn" 5 months
                          >
                          >
                          > http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftif2gif.exe%3FT%3D
                          > \\\\192.168.100.11\\IMAGES\\T715-0386\\T715-03860404.TIF%26S%3D.5&pID=102680080008&name=Rosa%26nbsp%3BBelnay&doa=Aug+25%2C+1903&port=Bremen&line=0008
                          >
                          > ALSO, look at lines 13, 14, & 15. Some more relatives going to the same
                          > address!
                          >
                          > TOM
                          >
                          > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Lynne Wilson" <sandalfoot0505@...>
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have
                          > learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter Belnay,
                          > was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia" Vrbeicz
                          > on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there any
                          > Belnays here?
                          > >
                          >
                          >
                          >


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                        • MGMojher
                          Lynne, Czechoslovakia was not created until after WWI, 1918. Before that there was the Austro-Hungarian Empire, created in 1867, and Hungary prior to that for
                          Message 12 of 30 , Mar 9 12:06 PM
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                            Lynne,
                            Czechoslovakia was not created until after WWI, 1918. Before that there
                            was the Austro-Hungarian Empire, created in 1867, and Hungary prior to that
                            for 800 years. Czechoslovakia as the name implies was make of Czech and
                            Slovakia territories. If one spoke Czech then you would have suspect that
                            they were born in Czech area. Whereas, your ancestral village is deep into
                            the Slovak territory. So it is interesting that they said they spoke Czech.
                            Since the Slovak territory was part of Hungary for 900 years it is not
                            surprising to have Hungarians living there.
                            If your grandparents came over in 1903 that would have been during the
                            Austro-Hungarian Empire. Many Slovak immigrants said they were from Austria
                            during that period. There was "bad blood" between the Slovaks and Hungarians
                            in the late 1800's. My previous observation that grandfather was Magyar and
                            grandmother Slovak seems to be the reality. It would be interesting how the
                            Czech identity came about.


                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: Lynne Wilson
                            Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 11:25 AM
                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay

                            That is interesting. To my knowledge, they spoke Czech. The first
                            generation USA (my father and Uncle Alex) spoke English, but they
                            understood their parents of course. My father always said they were
                            speaking in Czech. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I can verify that since all
                            of those relatives are gone. Excepting those who know less than I do.

                            I knew the name "Belnay" (Belnai) was Hungarian. I worked at Voice of
                            America for 15 years, among many Hungarians, and it was made very clear to
                            me that that was a Hungarian name. But with borders changing, etc, I
                            assumed that the name might have been Hungarian but my grandparents grew
                            up in Czechoslovakia. Which is what father always said, that his family was
                            Czech.

                            Thank you for your interest!

                            Lynne

                            On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:30 PM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:

                            > **
                            >
                            >
                            > Lynne,
                            > I took a look at the Ships Manifest for Peter and Rosa Belnay. It was
                            > interesting that Peter said his race was Magyar/Hungarian and Rosa said
                            > Slovak. It might be that Peter was Hungarian. Do you know what language
                            > Peter and Rosa spoke?
                            >
                            > -----Original Message-----
                            > From: Lynne Wilson
                            > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 8:53 AM
                            > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                            >
                            > Zuzana-
                            >
                            > The name is Belnay; the town was Verbicz, according to immigration
                            > records,
                            > as below. Peter was my grandather, Rose (Rosa) my grandmother. My fathers
                            > brothers, John (Johann) and Julius were born in Czechoslovakia. My father,
                            > Peter, Jr., and his younger brother, Alex, were born in New Jersey.
                            >
                            > I have the records from the ship (Kronprinz Wilhelm) they arrived in,
                            > departing from Bremen.
                            >
                            > Coming thru EIlis Island in 1903 a Peter BELNAY from Verbicz.
                            > The village of Verbicz is Vrbica and now part of town of Liptovsky
                            > Mikulas.
                            > BELNAY: Johann, Julius and Rosa arriving in 1903 from L.Srt. Miklos should
                            > be L. Szt. Miklos - Liptoszentmiklos = Liptovsky Svaty Mikulas aka
                            > Liptovsky Mikulas and going to a husband and father Peter BELNAY.
                            >
                            > I am not surprised that there is no Belnay listed in the 2005 directory, I
                            > suspect much has changed since then and perhaps the family moved away. One
                            > of my hopeful goals is in joining this group is to see if I can find any
                            > Belnays in Slovakia or near there.
                            >
                            > I have seen Belnaj mentioned in the Slovak Roots, perhaps there is a
                            > relationship. But if I recall, the Belnaj in question came from Croatia.
                            >
                            > Thank you for your input!
                            >
                            > Lynne Belnay Wilson
                            >
                            > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:15 AM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > > **
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Priezvisko BELAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 131×, celkový
                            > > poèet lokalít: 46, najèastej¹ie výskyty v lokalitách:
                            > >
                            > > This is the closest to Belnaj in the 1995 Slovak Cenus. No places okres
                            > > Liptovska Mikulas was listed in the top ten. Belan was the only surname
                            > > that came close in the 2005 Liptovska Mikulas telephone book.
                            > >
                            > > From: Zuzana Peer
                            > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 9:20 PM
                            > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                            > >
                            > > Lynn,
                            > > there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a
                            > > Slovak
                            > > word.
                            > >
                            > > Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably
                            > > Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very Slovak.
                            > >
                            > > Zuzana
                            > >
                            > > ________________________________
                            > > From: MGMojher <mailto:mgmojher%40verizon.net>
                            > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                            > > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
                            > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                            > >
                            > > Lynne,
                            > > As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no
                            > > listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does
                            > provide
                            > > this:
                            > > Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica,
                            > > 1863
                            > > Werbice, 1873-1913 Verbic, 1920-1923 Vrbica
                            > >
                            > > As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was
                            > > incorporated into:
                            > > 1275 Liptovský Mikulá¹ LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 prièl. o. Mikulá¹sky
                            > > Hu¹ták,
                            > > Vrbický Hu¹ták; 1923 prièl. o. Vrbica;
                            > >
                            > > Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find. There
                            > > was a Restauracia Vrbica.
                            > >
                            > > The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in Bratislava.
                            > The
                            > > 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing for
                            > > Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not seem
                            > > like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in
                            > > Slovakia,
                            > > it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The
                            > > Hungarian
                            > > government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For 900
                            > > years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.
                            > >
                            > > This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky Mikulas.
                            > > Happy searching.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443
                            > >
                            > > There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
                            > >
                            > >
                            > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443
                            > >
                            > > From: Lynne Wilson
                            > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
                            > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                            > > Subject: [S-R] Belnay
                            > >
                            > > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have
                            > > learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter
                            > Belnay,
                            > > was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia"
                            > > Vrbeicz
                            > > on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there
                            > > any
                            > > Belnays here?
                            > >
                            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            > >
                            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            > >
                            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            >
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                          • t.salony
                            Do you think anything can be inferred from the given names when they immigrated: Peter, and Julius(1. son of Peter & Rosa; 2. brother of Peter, already in
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                              Do you think anything can be inferred from the given names when they immigrated: Peter, and Julius(1. son of Peter & Rosa; 2. brother of Peter, already in Brooklyn).
                              To make things more complicated, in the 1910 census the family is already in Montvale, NJ, and (correct...or not) is listed as German & speaking German.

                              TOM

                              --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "MGMojher" <mgmojher@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Lynne,
                              > Czechoslovakia was not created until after WWI, 1918. Before that there
                              > was the Austro-Hungarian Empire, created in 1867, and Hungary prior to that
                              > for 800 years. Czechoslovakia as the name implies was make of Czech and
                              > Slovakia territories. If one spoke Czech then you would have suspect that
                              > they were born in Czech area. Whereas, your ancestral village is deep into
                              > the Slovak territory. So it is interesting that they said they spoke Czech.
                              > Since the Slovak territory was part of Hungary for 900 years it is not
                              > surprising to have Hungarians living there.
                              > If your grandparents came over in 1903 that would have been during the
                              > Austro-Hungarian Empire. Many Slovak immigrants said they were from Austria
                              > during that period. There was "bad blood" between the Slovaks and Hungarians
                              > in the late 1800's. My previous observation that grandfather was Magyar and
                              > grandmother Slovak seems to be the reality. It would be interesting how the
                              > Czech identity came about.
                              >
                              >
                              > -----Original Message-----
                              > From: Lynne Wilson
                              > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 11:25 AM
                              > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                              >
                              > That is interesting. To my knowledge, they spoke Czech. The first
                              > generation USA (my father and Uncle Alex) spoke English, but they
                              > understood their parents of course. My father always said they were
                              > speaking in Czech. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I can verify that since all
                              > of those relatives are gone. Excepting those who know less than I do.
                              >
                              > I knew the name "Belnay" (Belnai) was Hungarian. I worked at Voice of
                              > America for 15 years, among many Hungarians, and it was made very clear to
                              > me that that was a Hungarian name. But with borders changing, etc, I
                              > assumed that the name might have been Hungarian but my grandparents grew
                              > up in Czechoslovakia. Which is what father always said, that his family was
                              > Czech.
                              >
                              > Thank you for your interest!
                              >
                              > Lynne
                              >
                              > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:30 PM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > > **
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Lynne,
                              > > I took a look at the Ships Manifest for Peter and Rosa Belnay. It was
                              > > interesting that Peter said his race was Magyar/Hungarian and Rosa said
                              > > Slovak. It might be that Peter was Hungarian. Do you know what language
                              > > Peter and Rosa spoke?
                              > >
                              > > -----Original Message-----
                              > > From: Lynne Wilson
                              > > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 8:53 AM
                              > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                              > >
                              > > Zuzana-
                              > >
                              > > The name is Belnay; the town was Verbicz, according to immigration
                              > > records,
                              > > as below. Peter was my grandather, Rose (Rosa) my grandmother. My fathers
                              > > brothers, John (Johann) and Julius were born in Czechoslovakia. My father,
                              > > Peter, Jr., and his younger brother, Alex, were born in New Jersey.
                              > >
                              > > I have the records from the ship (Kronprinz Wilhelm) they arrived in,
                              > > departing from Bremen.
                              > >
                              > > Coming thru EIlis Island in 1903 a Peter BELNAY from Verbicz.
                              > > The village of Verbicz is Vrbica and now part of town of Liptovsky
                              > > Mikulas.
                              > > BELNAY: Johann, Julius and Rosa arriving in 1903 from L.Srt. Miklos should
                              > > be L. Szt. Miklos - Liptoszentmiklos = Liptovsky Svaty Mikulas aka
                              > > Liptovsky Mikulas and going to a husband and father Peter BELNAY.
                              > >
                              > > I am not surprised that there is no Belnay listed in the 2005 directory, I
                              > > suspect much has changed since then and perhaps the family moved away. One
                              > > of my hopeful goals is in joining this group is to see if I can find any
                              > > Belnays in Slovakia or near there.
                              > >
                              > > I have seen Belnaj mentioned in the Slovak Roots, perhaps there is a
                              > > relationship. But if I recall, the Belnaj in question came from Croatia.
                              > >
                              > > Thank you for your input!
                              > >
                              > > Lynne Belnay Wilson
                              > >
                              > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:15 AM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > > **
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Priezvisko BELAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 131×, celkový
                              > > > poèet lokalít: 46, najèastej¹ie výskyty v lokalitách:
                              > > >
                              > > > This is the closest to Belnaj in the 1995 Slovak Cenus. No places okres
                              > > > Liptovska Mikulas was listed in the top ten. Belan was the only surname
                              > > > that came close in the 2005 Liptovska Mikulas telephone book.
                              > > >
                              > > > From: Zuzana Peer
                              > > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 9:20 PM
                              > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                              > > >
                              > > > Lynn,
                              > > > there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a
                              > > > Slovak
                              > > > word.
                              > > >
                              > > > Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably
                              > > > Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very Slovak.
                              > > >
                              > > > Zuzana
                              > > >
                              > > > ________________________________
                              > > > From: MGMojher <mailto:mgmojher%40verizon.net>
                              > > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
                              > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                              > > >
                              > > > Lynne,
                              > > > As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no
                              > > > listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does
                              > > provide
                              > > > this:
                              > > > Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica,
                              > > > 1863
                              > > > Werbice, 1873-1913 Verbic, 1920-1923 Vrbica
                              > > >
                              > > > As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was
                              > > > incorporated into:
                              > > > 1275 Liptovský Mikulá¹ LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 prièl. o. Mikulá¹sky
                              > > > Hu¹ták,
                              > > > Vrbický Hu¹ták; 1923 prièl. o. Vrbica;
                              > > >
                              > > > Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find. There
                              > > > was a Restauracia Vrbica.
                              > > >
                              > > > The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in Bratislava.
                              > > The
                              > > > 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing for
                              > > > Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not seem
                              > > > like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in
                              > > > Slovakia,
                              > > > it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The
                              > > > Hungarian
                              > > > government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For 900
                              > > > years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.
                              > > >
                              > > > This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky Mikulas.
                              > > > Happy searching.
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443
                              > > >
                              > > > There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443
                              > > >
                              > > > From: Lynne Wilson
                              > > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
                              > > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Subject: [S-R] Belnay
                              > > >
                              > > > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have
                              > > > learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter
                              > > Belnay,
                              > > > was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia"
                              > > > Vrbeicz
                              > > > on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there
                              > > > any
                              > > > Belnays here?
                              > > >
                              > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              > > >
                              > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              > > >
                              > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
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                            • Lynne Wilson
                              Well, I certainly need to learn my history! I mean world history in general. Thank you for this information. I am looking forward to digging deeper and coming
                              Message 14 of 30 , Mar 9 2:45 PM
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                                Well, I certainly need to learn my history! I mean world history in general.

                                Thank you for this information.

                                I am looking forward to digging deeper and coming up with my true ancestry!

                                Something rather odd, is that my father and several of my father's friends
                                often referred to themselves as "Slavish." Does this mean anything to you?
                                Have you ever heard "Slavish" before? Maybe anglicizing "Slovak". It sounds
                                to me that they were Slovak!

                                I am thinking somewhere in their history in the USA somebody decided they
                                were Czech, with the coming of Czechoslovakia after WW1 and that was that.
                                But I do need to do more research to get to the bottom of this!

                                Thank you so much once again.

                                Lynne

                                On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:06 PM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:

                                > **
                                >
                                >
                                > Lynne,
                                > Czechoslovakia was not created until after WWI, 1918. Before that there
                                > was the Austro-Hungarian Empire, created in 1867, and Hungary prior to
                                > that
                                > for 800 years. Czechoslovakia as the name implies was make of Czech and
                                > Slovakia territories. If one spoke Czech then you would have suspect that
                                > they were born in Czech area. Whereas, your ancestral village is deep into
                                > the Slovak territory. So it is interesting that they said they spoke Czech.
                                > Since the Slovak territory was part of Hungary for 900 years it is not
                                > surprising to have Hungarians living there.
                                > If your grandparents came over in 1903 that would have been during the
                                > Austro-Hungarian Empire. Many Slovak immigrants said they were from
                                > Austria
                                > during that period. There was "bad blood" between the Slovaks and
                                > Hungarians
                                > in the late 1800's. My previous observation that grandfather was Magyar
                                > and
                                > grandmother Slovak seems to be the reality. It would be interesting how
                                > the
                                > Czech identity came about.
                                >
                                > -----Original Message-----
                                > From: Lynne Wilson
                                > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 11:25 AM
                                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                >
                                > That is interesting. To my knowledge, they spoke Czech. The first
                                > generation USA (my father and Uncle Alex) spoke English, but they
                                > understood their parents of course. My father always said they were
                                > speaking in Czech. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I can verify that since all
                                > of those relatives are gone. Excepting those who know less than I do.
                                >
                                > I knew the name "Belnay" (Belnai) was Hungarian. I worked at Voice of
                                > America for 15 years, among many Hungarians, and it was made very clear to
                                > me that that was a Hungarian name. But with borders changing, etc, I
                                > assumed that the name might have been Hungarian but my grandparents grew
                                > up in Czechoslovakia. Which is what father always said, that his family was
                                > Czech.
                                >
                                > Thank you for your interest!
                                >
                                > Lynne
                                >
                                > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:30 PM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > > **
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Lynne,
                                > > I took a look at the Ships Manifest for Peter and Rosa Belnay. It was
                                > > interesting that Peter said his race was Magyar/Hungarian and Rosa said
                                > > Slovak. It might be that Peter was Hungarian. Do you know what language
                                > > Peter and Rosa spoke?
                                > >
                                > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > From: Lynne Wilson
                                > > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 8:53 AM
                                > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                > >
                                > > Zuzana-
                                > >
                                > > The name is Belnay; the town was Verbicz, according to immigration
                                > > records,
                                > > as below. Peter was my grandather, Rose (Rosa) my grandmother. My fathers
                                > > brothers, John (Johann) and Julius were born in Czechoslovakia. My
                                > father,
                                > > Peter, Jr., and his younger brother, Alex, were born in New Jersey.
                                > >
                                > > I have the records from the ship (Kronprinz Wilhelm) they arrived in,
                                > > departing from Bremen.
                                > >
                                > > Coming thru EIlis Island in 1903 a Peter BELNAY from Verbicz.
                                > > The village of Verbicz is Vrbica and now part of town of Liptovsky
                                > > Mikulas.
                                > > BELNAY: Johann, Julius and Rosa arriving in 1903 from L.Srt. Miklos
                                > should
                                > > be L. Szt. Miklos - Liptoszentmiklos = Liptovsky Svaty Mikulas aka
                                > > Liptovsky Mikulas and going to a husband and father Peter BELNAY.
                                > >
                                > > I am not surprised that there is no Belnay listed in the 2005 directory,
                                > I
                                > > suspect much has changed since then and perhaps the family moved away.
                                > One
                                > > of my hopeful goals is in joining this group is to see if I can find any
                                > > Belnays in Slovakia or near there.
                                > >
                                > > I have seen Belnaj mentioned in the Slovak Roots, perhaps there is a
                                > > relationship. But if I recall, the Belnaj in question came from Croatia.
                                > >
                                > > Thank you for your input!
                                > >
                                > > Lynne Belnay Wilson
                                > >
                                > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:15 AM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > > **
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Priezvisko BELAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nach�dzalo 131�, celkov�
                                > > > po�et lokal�t: 46, naj�astej�ie v�skyty v lokalit�ch:
                                > > >
                                > > > This is the closest to Belnaj in the 1995 Slovak Cenus. No places okres
                                > > > Liptovska Mikulas was listed in the top ten. Belan was the only surname
                                > > > that came close in the 2005 Liptovska Mikulas telephone book.
                                > > >
                                > > > From: Zuzana Peer
                                > > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 9:20 PM
                                > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                > > >
                                > > > Lynn,
                                > > > there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a
                                > > > Slovak
                                > > > word.
                                > > >
                                > > > Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably
                                > > > Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very
                                > Slovak.
                                > > >
                                > > > Zuzana
                                > > >
                                > > > ________________________________
                                > > > From: MGMojher <mailto:mgmojher%40verizon.net>
                                > > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                                > > > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
                                > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                > > >
                                > > > Lynne,
                                > > > As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no
                                > > > listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does
                                > > provide
                                > > > this:
                                > > > Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica,
                                > > > 1863
                                > > > Werbice, 1873-1913 Verbic, 1920-1923 Vrbica
                                > > >
                                > > > As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was
                                > > > incorporated into:
                                > > > 1275 Liptovsk� Mikul�� LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 pri�l. o. Mikul��sky
                                > > > Hu�t�k,
                                > > > Vrbick� Hu�t�k; 1923 pri�l. o. Vrbica;
                                > > >
                                > > > Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find. There
                                > > > was a Restauracia Vrbica.
                                > > >
                                > > > The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in Bratislava.
                                > > The
                                > > > 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing for
                                > > > Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not seem
                                > > > like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in
                                > > > Slovakia,
                                > > > it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The
                                > > > Hungarian
                                > > > government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For 900
                                > > > years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.
                                > > >
                                > > > This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky Mikulas.
                                > > > Happy searching.
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443
                                > > >
                                > > > There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443
                                > > >
                                > > > From: Lynne Wilson
                                > > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
                                > > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                                > > > Subject: [S-R] Belnay
                                > > >
                                > > > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have
                                > > > learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter
                                > > Belnay,
                                > > > was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia"
                                > > > Vrbeicz
                                > > > on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there
                                > > > any
                                > > > Belnays here?
                                > > >
                                > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                > > >
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                              • Lynne Wilson
                                Yes, the family m lived in Montvale, NJ in 1910, which is the year my father (Peter) was born. He was born in Montvale. At home. (He died in that very same
                                Message 15 of 30 , Mar 9 3:49 PM
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                                  Yes, the family m lived in Montvale, NJ in 1910, which is the year my
                                  father (Peter) was born. He was born in Montvale. At home. (He died in that
                                  very same house, which he and my mother restored many years later.).

                                  Census listing is not correct, regarding German. That listing was one of my
                                  first sources ofinformation and I noticed that. . Nobody spoke German in
                                  the Belnay family. But again, they did live in Montvale as listed, correct
                                  address, neighbors, etc. I grew up with many of those people. I wish they
                                  were still living to help me.

                                  I'm not sure what you mean about "anything can be inferred".Other than that
                                  they are family.


                                  On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 4:01 PM, t.salony <t.salony@...> wrote:

                                  > **
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Do you think anything can be inferred from the given names when they
                                  > immigrated: Peter, and Julius(1. son of Peter & Rosa; 2. brother of Peter,
                                  > already in Brooklyn).
                                  > To make things more complicated, in the 1910 census the family is already
                                  > in Montvale, NJ, and (correct...or not) is listed as German & speaking
                                  > German.
                                  >
                                  > TOM
                                  >
                                  > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "MGMojher" <mgmojher@...> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Lynne,
                                  > > Czechoslovakia was not created until after WWI, 1918. Before that there
                                  > > was the Austro-Hungarian Empire, created in 1867, and Hungary prior to
                                  > that
                                  > > for 800 years. Czechoslovakia as the name implies was make of Czech and
                                  > > Slovakia territories. If one spoke Czech then you would have suspect
                                  > that
                                  > > they were born in Czech area. Whereas, your ancestral village is deep
                                  > into
                                  > > the Slovak territory. So it is interesting that they said they spoke
                                  > Czech.
                                  > > Since the Slovak territory was part of Hungary for 900 years it is not
                                  > > surprising to have Hungarians living there.
                                  > > If your grandparents came over in 1903 that would have been during the
                                  > > Austro-Hungarian Empire. Many Slovak immigrants said they were from
                                  > Austria
                                  > > during that period. There was "bad blood" between the Slovaks and
                                  > Hungarians
                                  > > in the late 1800's. My previous observation that grandfather was Magyar
                                  > and
                                  > > grandmother Slovak seems to be the reality. It would be interesting how
                                  > the
                                  > > Czech identity came about.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > -----Original Message-----
                                  > > From: Lynne Wilson
                                  > > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 11:25 AM
                                  > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                  > >
                                  > > That is interesting. To my knowledge, they spoke Czech. The first
                                  > > generation USA (my father and Uncle Alex) spoke English, but they
                                  > > understood their parents of course. My father always said they were
                                  > > speaking in Czech. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I can verify that since
                                  > all
                                  > > of those relatives are gone. Excepting those who know less than I do.
                                  > >
                                  > > I knew the name "Belnay" (Belnai) was Hungarian. I worked at Voice of
                                  > > America for 15 years, among many Hungarians, and it was made very clear
                                  > to
                                  > > me that that was a Hungarian name. But with borders changing, etc, I
                                  > > assumed that the name might have been Hungarian but my grandparents grew
                                  > > up in Czechoslovakia. Which is what father always said, that his family
                                  > was
                                  > > Czech.
                                  > >
                                  > > Thank you for your interest!
                                  > >
                                  > > Lynne
                                  > >
                                  > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:30 PM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > > **
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Lynne,
                                  > > > I took a look at the Ships Manifest for Peter and Rosa Belnay. It was
                                  > > > interesting that Peter said his race was Magyar/Hungarian and Rosa said
                                  > > > Slovak. It might be that Peter was Hungarian. Do you know what language
                                  > > > Peter and Rosa spoke?
                                  > > >
                                  > > > -----Original Message-----
                                  > > > From: Lynne Wilson
                                  > > > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 8:53 AM
                                  > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Zuzana-
                                  > > >
                                  > > > The name is Belnay; the town was Verbicz, according to immigration
                                  > > > records,
                                  > > > as below. Peter was my grandather, Rose (Rosa) my grandmother. My
                                  > fathers
                                  > > > brothers, John (Johann) and Julius were born in Czechoslovakia. My
                                  > father,
                                  > > > Peter, Jr., and his younger brother, Alex, were born in New Jersey.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I have the records from the ship (Kronprinz Wilhelm) they arrived in,
                                  > > > departing from Bremen.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Coming thru EIlis Island in 1903 a Peter BELNAY from Verbicz.
                                  > > > The village of Verbicz is Vrbica and now part of town of Liptovsky
                                  > > > Mikulas.
                                  > > > BELNAY: Johann, Julius and Rosa arriving in 1903 from L.Srt. Miklos
                                  > should
                                  > > > be L. Szt. Miklos - Liptoszentmiklos = Liptovsky Svaty Mikulas aka
                                  > > > Liptovsky Mikulas and going to a husband and father Peter BELNAY.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I am not surprised that there is no Belnay listed in the 2005
                                  > directory, I
                                  > > > suspect much has changed since then and perhaps the family moved away.
                                  > One
                                  > > > of my hopeful goals is in joining this group is to see if I can find
                                  > any
                                  > > > Belnays in Slovakia or near there.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I have seen Belnaj mentioned in the Slovak Roots, perhaps there is a
                                  > > > relationship. But if I recall, the Belnaj in question came from
                                  > Croatia.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Thank you for your input!
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Lynne Belnay Wilson
                                  > > >
                                  > > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:15 AM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > > **
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Priezvisko BELAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nach�dzalo 131�, celkov�
                                  > > > > po�et lokal�t: 46, naj�astej�ie v�skyty v lokalit�ch:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > This is the closest to Belnaj in the 1995 Slovak Cenus. No places
                                  > okres
                                  > > > > Liptovska Mikulas was listed in the top ten. Belan was the only
                                  > surname
                                  > > > > that came close in the 2005 Liptovska Mikulas telephone book.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > From: Zuzana Peer
                                  > > > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 9:20 PM
                                  > > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Lynn,
                                  > > > > there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a
                                  > > > > Slovak
                                  > > > > word.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably
                                  > > > > Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very
                                  > Slovak.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Zuzana
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > ________________________________
                                  > > > > From: MGMojher <mailto:mgmojher%40verizon.net>
                                  > > > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
                                  > > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Lynne,
                                  > > > > As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no
                                  > > > > listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does
                                  > > > provide
                                  > > > > this:
                                  > > > > Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica,
                                  > > > > 1863
                                  > > > > Werbice, 1873-1913 Verbic, 1920-1923 Vrbica
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was
                                  > > > > incorporated into:
                                  > > > > 1275 Liptovsk� Mikul�� LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 pri�l. o. Mikul��sky
                                  > > > > Hu�t�k,
                                  > > > > Vrbick� Hu�t�k; 1923 pri�l. o. Vrbica;
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find.
                                  > There
                                  > > > > was a Restauracia Vrbica.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in
                                  > Bratislava.
                                  > > > The
                                  > > > > 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing
                                  > for
                                  > > > > Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not
                                  > seem
                                  > > > > like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in
                                  > > > > Slovakia,
                                  > > > > it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The
                                  > > > > Hungarian
                                  > > > > government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For
                                  > 900
                                  > > > > years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky
                                  > Mikulas.
                                  > > > > Happy searching.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > From: Lynne Wilson
                                  > > > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
                                  > > > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > Subject: [S-R] Belnay
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have
                                  > > > > learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter
                                  > > > Belnay,
                                  > > > > was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia"
                                  > > > > Vrbeicz
                                  > > > > on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are
                                  > there
                                  > > > > any
                                  > > > > Belnays here?
                                  > > > >
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                                  > > > >
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                                  > > > >
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                                  > > > >
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                                • Lynne Wilson
                                  Oh, my, I just made a discovery! I located the Belnay family Bible, with notes that my mother had made! She wrote that both Julius and John Belnay (my fathers
                                  Message 16 of 30 , Mar 9 5:25 PM
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                                    Oh, my, I just made a discovery!

                                    I located the Belnay family Bible, with notes that my mother had made!

                                    She wrote that both Julius and John Belnay (my fathers older brothers) were
                                    born in Austria-Hungary.

                                    On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:06 PM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:

                                    > **
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Lynne,
                                    > Czechoslovakia was not created until after WWI, 1918. Before that there
                                    > was the Austro-Hungarian Empire, created in 1867, and Hungary prior to
                                    > that
                                    > for 800 years. Czechoslovakia as the name implies was make of Czech and
                                    > Slovakia territories. If one spoke Czech then you would have suspect that
                                    > they were born in Czech area. Whereas, your ancestral village is deep into
                                    > the Slovak territory. So it is interesting that they said they spoke Czech.
                                    > Since the Slovak territory was part of Hungary for 900 years it is not
                                    > surprising to have Hungarians living there.
                                    > If your grandparents came over in 1903 that would have been during the
                                    > Austro-Hungarian Empire. Many Slovak immigrants said they were from
                                    > Austria
                                    > during that period. There was "bad blood" between the Slovaks and
                                    > Hungarians
                                    > in the late 1800's. My previous observation that grandfather was Magyar
                                    > and
                                    > grandmother Slovak seems to be the reality. It would be interesting how
                                    > the
                                    > Czech identity came about.
                                    >
                                    > -----Original Message-----
                                    > From: Lynne Wilson
                                    > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 11:25 AM
                                    > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                    >
                                    > That is interesting. To my knowledge, they spoke Czech. The first
                                    > generation USA (my father and Uncle Alex) spoke English, but they
                                    > understood their parents of course. My father always said they were
                                    > speaking in Czech. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I can verify that since all
                                    > of those relatives are gone. Excepting those who know less than I do.
                                    >
                                    > I knew the name "Belnay" (Belnai) was Hungarian. I worked at Voice of
                                    > America for 15 years, among many Hungarians, and it was made very clear to
                                    > me that that was a Hungarian name. But with borders changing, etc, I
                                    > assumed that the name might have been Hungarian but my grandparents grew
                                    > up in Czechoslovakia. Which is what father always said, that his family was
                                    > Czech.
                                    >
                                    > Thank you for your interest!
                                    >
                                    > Lynne
                                    >
                                    > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:30 PM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > > **
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Lynne,
                                    > > I took a look at the Ships Manifest for Peter and Rosa Belnay. It was
                                    > > interesting that Peter said his race was Magyar/Hungarian and Rosa said
                                    > > Slovak. It might be that Peter was Hungarian. Do you know what language
                                    > > Peter and Rosa spoke?
                                    > >
                                    > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > From: Lynne Wilson
                                    > > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 8:53 AM
                                    > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                    > >
                                    > > Zuzana-
                                    > >
                                    > > The name is Belnay; the town was Verbicz, according to immigration
                                    > > records,
                                    > > as below. Peter was my grandather, Rose (Rosa) my grandmother. My fathers
                                    > > brothers, John (Johann) and Julius were born in Czechoslovakia. My
                                    > father,
                                    > > Peter, Jr., and his younger brother, Alex, were born in New Jersey.
                                    > >
                                    > > I have the records from the ship (Kronprinz Wilhelm) they arrived in,
                                    > > departing from Bremen.
                                    > >
                                    > > Coming thru EIlis Island in 1903 a Peter BELNAY from Verbicz.
                                    > > The village of Verbicz is Vrbica and now part of town of Liptovsky
                                    > > Mikulas.
                                    > > BELNAY: Johann, Julius and Rosa arriving in 1903 from L.Srt. Miklos
                                    > should
                                    > > be L. Szt. Miklos - Liptoszentmiklos = Liptovsky Svaty Mikulas aka
                                    > > Liptovsky Mikulas and going to a husband and father Peter BELNAY.
                                    > >
                                    > > I am not surprised that there is no Belnay listed in the 2005 directory,
                                    > I
                                    > > suspect much has changed since then and perhaps the family moved away.
                                    > One
                                    > > of my hopeful goals is in joining this group is to see if I can find any
                                    > > Belnays in Slovakia or near there.
                                    > >
                                    > > I have seen Belnaj mentioned in the Slovak Roots, perhaps there is a
                                    > > relationship. But if I recall, the Belnaj in question came from Croatia.
                                    > >
                                    > > Thank you for your input!
                                    > >
                                    > > Lynne Belnay Wilson
                                    > >
                                    > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:15 AM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > > **
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Priezvisko BELAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nach�dzalo 131�, celkov�
                                    > > > po�et lokal�t: 46, naj�astej�ie v�skyty v lokalit�ch:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > This is the closest to Belnaj in the 1995 Slovak Cenus. No places okres
                                    > > > Liptovska Mikulas was listed in the top ten. Belan was the only surname
                                    > > > that came close in the 2005 Liptovska Mikulas telephone book.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > From: Zuzana Peer
                                    > > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 9:20 PM
                                    > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Lynn,
                                    > > > there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a
                                    > > > Slovak
                                    > > > word.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably
                                    > > > Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very
                                    > Slovak.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Zuzana
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ________________________________
                                    > > > From: MGMojher <mailto:mgmojher%40verizon.net>
                                    > > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
                                    > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Lynne,
                                    > > > As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no
                                    > > > listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does
                                    > > provide
                                    > > > this:
                                    > > > Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica,
                                    > > > 1863
                                    > > > Werbice, 1873-1913 Verbic, 1920-1923 Vrbica
                                    > > >
                                    > > > As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was
                                    > > > incorporated into:
                                    > > > 1275 Liptovsk� Mikul�� LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 pri�l. o. Mikul��sky
                                    > > > Hu�t�k,
                                    > > > Vrbick� Hu�t�k; 1923 pri�l. o. Vrbica;
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find. There
                                    > > > was a Restauracia Vrbica.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in Bratislava.
                                    > > The
                                    > > > 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing for
                                    > > > Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not seem
                                    > > > like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in
                                    > > > Slovakia,
                                    > > > it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The
                                    > > > Hungarian
                                    > > > government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For 900
                                    > > > years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky Mikulas.
                                    > > > Happy searching.
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443
                                    > > >
                                    > > > There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443
                                    > > >
                                    > > > From: Lynne Wilson
                                    > > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
                                    > > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Subject: [S-R] Belnay
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have
                                    > > > learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter
                                    > > Belnay,
                                    > > > was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia"
                                    > > > Vrbeicz
                                    > > > on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there
                                    > > > any
                                    > > > Belnays here?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                    > > >
                                    > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                    > > >
                                    > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > >
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                                    > >
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                                    > >
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                                    > >
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                                    > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS/
                                    > >
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                                    > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS -or- send blank email to
                                    > > SLOVAK-ROOTS-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
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                                    >
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                                  • John
                                    That s exactly what it should say.
                                    Message 17 of 30 , Mar 9 5:38 PM
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                                      That's exactly what it should say.

                                      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Lynne Wilson <sandalfoot0505@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Oh, my, I just made a discovery!
                                      >
                                      > I located the Belnay family Bible, with notes that my mother had made!
                                      >
                                      > She wrote that both Julius and John Belnay (my fathers older brothers) were
                                      > born in Austria-Hungary.
                                    • Zuzana Peer
                                      Lynne, I have to replay to this: ... Of course your Grandfather was Peter Belnay from Verbicz, but this is in Hungarian language. Your father s name was
                                      Message 18 of 30 , Mar 9 7:53 PM
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                                        Lynne,
                                        I have to replay to this:
                                        ... I have the records from the ship (Kronprinz Wilhelm) they arrived in,
                                        > > departing from Bremen.
                                        > > Coming thru EIlis Island in 1903 a Peter BELNAY from Verbicz.
                                        > > The village of Verbicz is Vrbica and now part of town of Liptovsky
                                        > > Mikulas....
                                        Of course your Grandfather was Peter Belnay from Verbicz, but this is in Hungarian language. Your father's name was probably Peter Belnaj from Vrbovica - in Slovak. During "Hungary" time, Slovaks were pressed (for many, many years) to speak Hungarian which they never did. Their language was Slovak and they always spoke Slovak at home and in their villages. But the public records including Registers were writen in Hungarian and they also tryed to change (translate to Hungarian) their beautiful Slovak names and surnames. One of my Great..Granfather's name was Pavol Dudak, they changed his name to Pal Gyugyak !? Another ancestor was Alzbeta Cervenan from Soblahov, her name was "translated" to Ersebeth Cservenyan from Czobolyfalu !?
                                        Your GGF had Austro-Hungarian passport in 1903 and his name and village was of course "translated".... In 1918, when Czechoslovakia was established, people started to use their real Slovak names and surnames.
                                        Vrbica means in Slovak language place, where were many willows (vrba=willow). It was probably small place, because today it is a part of Liptovsky Mikulas.
                                        About your Grandparents speaking Czech. During Czechoslovakia time (1918-1992)many people use to say: "you are Czech" because saying "Czechoslovak"was too long. Or some use to say: "you speak Czech", because they were lazy to say "Czech and Slovak". Some people (mostly foreigners) didn't know that in Czechoslovakia Czechs spoke in Czech and Slovaks spoke in Slovak. What do you think about this idea?
                                        Zuzana (born in Czechoslovakia)



                                        ________________________________
                                        From: John <johnqadam@...>
                                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 7:38 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay

                                         

                                        That's exactly what it should say.

                                        --- In mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com, Lynne Wilson <sandalfoot0505@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Oh, my, I just made a discovery!
                                        >
                                        > I located the Belnay family Bible, with notes that my mother had made!
                                        >
                                        > She wrote that both Julius and John Belnay (my fathers older brothers) were
                                        > born in Austria-Hungary.




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                                      • Ron
                                        Lynne, Centering on your question of Slavish, I refer you to Prof. Votruba at http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/slavicslovak.html which most all of us
                                        Message 19 of 30 , Mar 10 4:58 PM
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                                          Lynne,

                                          Centering on your question of Slavish, I refer you to Prof. Votruba at
                                          http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/slavicslovak.html

                                          which most all of us would agree is likely the most authoritative and complete answer you will find.

                                          That is drilling down pretty deep into his great information, and certainly reading through his web site, the questions and the answers, is a great start to learning many, many things about our ancestors. Two more general addresses to his site are:

                                          http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/qsonhist.html
                                          for queries on History, and

                                          http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/ for his full web site.

                                          You can also go to our Yahoo Groups website for Slovak Roots and use the search function to draw up past discussions on any key word, or do the same at Slovak World.

                                          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS/ and
                                          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Slovak-World/

                                          Dr Votruba does not keep his writings static, but is adding and expanding them as time goes. He also opened a discussion forum to compliment Slovak World at
                                          https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/slovak-spot

                                          Good reading! Our ancestors led interesting lives and our hunt is fascinating with the variety of cultures, languages and varieties of place names in each language. We have Slovak, Hungarian, Latin, German and Rusyn.Cyrillic to deal with, and perhaps a few more - Polish in some circumstances, Czech, and varieties of Cyrillic languages / dialects depending upon time, politics and location. It is as much fun as if we came from center of the Lord of the Ring series.

                                          Ron



                                          --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Lynne Wilson <sandalfoot0505@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Well, I certainly need to learn my history! I mean world history in general.
                                          >
                                          > Thank you for this information.
                                          >
                                          > I am looking forward to digging deeper and coming up with my true ancestry!
                                          >
                                          > Something rather odd, is that my father and several of my father's friends
                                          > often referred to themselves as "Slavish." Does this mean anything to you?
                                          > Have you ever heard "Slavish" before? Maybe anglicizing "Slovak". It sounds
                                          > to me that they were Slovak!
                                          >
                                          > I am thinking somewhere in their history in the USA somebody decided they
                                          > were Czech, with the coming of Czechoslovakia after WW1 and that was that.
                                          > But I do need to do more research to get to the bottom of this!
                                          >
                                          > Thank you so much once again.
                                          >
                                          > Lynne
                                          >
                                        • MGMojher
                                          Ron, Your comment, “It is as much fun as if we came from center of the Lord of the Rings series.” brought to mind that Slovakia is “Middle Earth.” In
                                          Message 20 of 30 , Mar 10 6:15 PM
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                                            Ron,
                                            Your comment, “It is as much fun as if we came from center of the Lord of the Rings series.” brought to mind that Slovakia is “Middle Earth.” In that Slovakia has a claim to the geographical center of Europe. That is why they hate to be referred to as being in Eastern Europe. Being at the crossroads of many major trade routes exposed Slovakia to many cultures.
                                            My own ancestral village was ruled by Plavec Castle which controlled a trade road that came from Poland.
                                            I once viewed a film on dragons. Its approach that dragons were real and it explained scientifically how they were able to fly and breath fire. The surprising part of the film is that the last stronghold of dragons was in the Carpathian Mountains. Shades of Slovakia. If you have ever been in the High Tatras you could believe dragons would have lived there.
                                            Fun stuff.

                                            From: Ron
                                            Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 4:58 PM
                                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: [S-R] Belnay - Slavish


                                            Lynne,

                                            Centering on your question of Slavish, I refer you to Prof. Votruba at
                                            http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/slavicslovak.html

                                            which most all of us would agree is likely the most authoritative and complete answer you will find.

                                            That is drilling down pretty deep into his great information, and certainly reading through his web site, the questions and the answers, is a great start to learning many, many things about our ancestors. Two more general addresses to his site are:

                                            http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/qsonhist.html
                                            for queries on History, and

                                            http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/ for his full web site.

                                            You can also go to our Yahoo Groups website for Slovak Roots and use the search function to draw up past discussions on any key word, or do the same at Slovak World.

                                            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS/ and
                                            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Slovak-World/

                                            Dr Votruba does not keep his writings static, but is adding and expanding them as time goes. He also opened a discussion forum to compliment Slovak World at
                                            https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/slovak-spot

                                            Good reading! Our ancestors led interesting lives and our hunt is fascinating with the variety of cultures, languages and varieties of place names in each language. We have Slovak, Hungarian, Latin, German and Rusyn.Cyrillic to deal with, and perhaps a few more - Polish in some circumstances, Czech, and varieties of Cyrillic languages / dialects depending upon time, politics and location. It is as much fun as if we came from center of the Lord of the Ring series.

                                            Ron

                                            --- In mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com, Lynne Wilson <sandalfoot0505@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Well, I certainly need to learn my history! I mean world history in general.
                                            >
                                            > Thank you for this information.
                                            >
                                            > I am looking forward to digging deeper and coming up with my true ancestry!
                                            >
                                            > Something rather odd, is that my father and several of my father's friends
                                            > often referred to themselves as "Slavish." Does this mean anything to you?
                                            > Have you ever heard "Slavish" before? Maybe anglicizing "Slovak". It sounds
                                            > to me that they were Slovak!
                                            >
                                            > I am thinking somewhere in their history in the USA somebody decided they
                                            > were Czech, with the coming of Czechoslovakia after WW1 and that was that.
                                            > But I do need to do more research to get to the bottom of this!
                                            >
                                            > Thank you so much once again.
                                            >
                                            > Lynne
                                            >





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                                          • htcstech
                                            I came across this in a historical work. Wikipedia has a short entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon Peter M. ... [Non-text portions of this
                                            Message 21 of 30 , Mar 10 6:19 PM
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                                              I came across this in a historical work. Wikipedia has a short entry:
                                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon

                                              Peter M.

                                              On 11 March 2013 12:15, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:

                                              > **
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Ron,
                                              > Your comment, “It is as much fun as if we came from center of the Lord of
                                              > the Rings series.” brought to mind that Slovakia is “Middle Earth.” In that
                                              > Slovakia has a claim to the geographical center of Europe. That is why they
                                              > hate to be referred to as being in Eastern Europe. Being at the crossroads
                                              > of many major trade routes exposed Slovakia to many cultures.
                                              > My own ancestral village was ruled by Plavec Castle which controlled a
                                              > trade road that came from Poland.
                                              > I once viewed a film on dragons. Its approach that dragons were real and
                                              > it explained scientifically how they were able to fly and breath fire. The
                                              > surprising part of the film is that the last stronghold of dragons was in
                                              > the Carpathian Mountains. Shades of Slovakia. If you have ever been in the
                                              > High Tatras you could believe dragons would have lived there.
                                              > Fun stuff.
                                              >
                                              > From: Ron
                                              > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 4:58 PM
                                              > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Subject: [S-R] Belnay - Slavish
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Lynne,
                                              >
                                              > Centering on your question of Slavish, I refer you to Prof. Votruba at
                                              > http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/slavicslovak.html
                                              >
                                              > which most all of us would agree is likely the most authoritative and
                                              > complete answer you will find.
                                              >
                                              > That is drilling down pretty deep into his great information, and
                                              > certainly reading through his web site, the questions and the answers, is a
                                              > great start to learning many, many things about our ancestors. Two more
                                              > general addresses to his site are:
                                              >
                                              > http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/qsonhist.html
                                              > for queries on History, and
                                              >
                                              > http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/ for his full web site.
                                              >
                                              > You can also go to our Yahoo Groups website for Slovak Roots and use the
                                              > search function to draw up past discussions on any key word, or do the same
                                              > at Slovak World.
                                              >
                                              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS/ and
                                              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Slovak-World/
                                              >
                                              > Dr Votruba does not keep his writings static, but is adding and expanding
                                              > them as time goes. He also opened a discussion forum to compliment Slovak
                                              > World at
                                              > https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/slovak-spot
                                              >
                                              > Good reading! Our ancestors led interesting lives and our hunt is
                                              > fascinating with the variety of cultures, languages and varieties of place
                                              > names in each language. We have Slovak, Hungarian, Latin, German and
                                              > Rusyn.Cyrillic to deal with, and perhaps a few more - Polish in some
                                              > circumstances, Czech, and varieties of Cyrillic languages / dialects
                                              > depending upon time, politics and location. It is as much fun as if we came
                                              > from center of the Lord of the Ring series.
                                              >
                                              > Ron
                                              >
                                              > --- In mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com, Lynne Wilson
                                              > <sandalfoot0505@...> wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > > Well, I certainly need to learn my history! I mean world history in
                                              > general.
                                              > >
                                              > > Thank you for this information.
                                              > >
                                              > > I am looking forward to digging deeper and coming up with my true
                                              > ancestry!
                                              > >
                                              > > Something rather odd, is that my father and several of my father's
                                              > friends
                                              > > often referred to themselves as "Slavish." Does this mean anything to
                                              > you?
                                              > > Have you ever heard "Slavish" before? Maybe anglicizing "Slovak". It
                                              > sounds
                                              > > to me that they were Slovak!
                                              > >
                                              > > I am thinking somewhere in their history in the USA somebody decided they
                                              > > were Czech, with the coming of Czechoslovakia after WW1 and that was
                                              > that.
                                              > > But I do need to do more research to get to the bottom of this!
                                              > >
                                              > > Thank you so much once again.
                                              > >
                                              > > Lynne
                                              > >
                                              >
                                              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >


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                                            • t.salony
                                              Zuzana, I understand what you are explaining and suggesting, but with one major question: Are you saying that there IS/WAS a place with the spelling of
                                              Message 22 of 30 , Mar 10 6:53 PM
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                                                Zuzana,
                                                I understand what you are explaining and suggesting, but with one major question: Are you saying that there IS/WAS a place with the spelling of "Vrbovica"? I always use the Cisarik site ( http://www.cisarik.com/0_all-villages-V.html ) and I can't find that spelling anywhere.

                                                TOM

                                                --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Zuzana Peer <zuzana177@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > Lynne,
                                                > I have to replay to this:
                                                > ... I have the records from the ship (Kronprinz Wilhelm) they arrived in,
                                                > > > departing from Bremen.
                                                > > > Coming thru EIlis Island in 1903 a Peter BELNAY from Verbicz.
                                                > > > The village of Verbicz is Vrbica and now part of town of Liptovsky
                                                > > > Mikulas....
                                                > Of course your Grandfather was Peter Belnay from Verbicz, but this is in Hungarian language. Your father's name was probably Peter Belnaj from Vrbovica - in Slovak. During "Hungary" time, Slovaks were pressed (for many, many years) to speak Hungarian which they never did. Their language was Slovak and they always spoke Slovak at home and in their villages. But the public records including Registers were writen in Hungarian and they also tryed to change (translate to Hungarian) their beautiful Slovak names and surnames. One of my Great..Granfather's name was Pavol Dudak, they changed his name to Pal Gyugyak !? Another ancestor was Alzbeta Cervenan from Soblahov, her name was "translated" to Ersebeth Cservenyan from Czobolyfalu !?
                                                > Your GGF had Austro-Hungarian passport in 1903 and his name and village was of course "translated".... In 1918, when Czechoslovakia was established, people started to use their real Slovak names and surnames.
                                                > Vrbica means in Slovak language place, where were many willows (vrba=willow). It was probably small place, because today it is a part of Liptovsky Mikulas.
                                                > About your Grandparents speaking Czech. During Czechoslovakia time (1918-1992)many people use to say: "you are Czech" because saying "Czechoslovak"was too long. Or some use to say: "you speak Czech", because they were lazy to say "Czech and Slovak". Some people (mostly foreigners) didn't know that in Czechoslovakia Czechs spoke in Czech and Slovaks spoke in Slovak. What do you think about this idea?
                                                > Zuzana (born in Czechoslovakia)
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > ________________________________
                                                > From: John <johnqadam@...>
                                                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 7:38 PM
                                                > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                                >
                                                >  
                                                >
                                                > That's exactly what it should say.
                                                >
                                                > --- In mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com, Lynne Wilson <sandalfoot0505@> wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > Oh, my, I just made a discovery!
                                                > >
                                                > > I located the Belnay family Bible, with notes that my mother had made!
                                                > >
                                                > > She wrote that both Julius and John Belnay (my fathers older brothers) were
                                                > > born in Austria-Hungary.
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
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                                                >
                                              • Zuzana Peer
                                                Exuce me Tom, I made mistake. Vrbica is correct not Vrbovica. Zuzana ________________________________ From: t.salony To:
                                                Message 23 of 30 , Mar 10 7:16 PM
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                                                  Exuce me Tom, I made mistake. Vrbica is correct not Vrbovica.
                                                  Zuzana


                                                  ________________________________
                                                  From: t.salony <t.salony@...>
                                                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 8:53 PM
                                                  Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay


                                                   

                                                  Zuzana,
                                                  I understand what you are explaining and suggesting, but with one major question: Are you saying that there IS/WAS a place with the spelling of "Vrbovica"? I always use the Cisarik site ( http://www.cisarik.com/0_all-villages-V.html ) and I can't find that spelling anywhere.

                                                  TOM

                                                  --- In mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com, Zuzana Peer <zuzana177@...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > Lynne,
                                                  > I have to replay to this:
                                                  > ... I have the records from the ship (Kronprinz Wilhelm) they arrived in,
                                                  > > > departing from Bremen.
                                                  > > > Coming thru EIlis Island in 1903 a Peter BELNAY from Verbicz.
                                                  > > > The village of Verbicz is Vrbica and now part of town of Liptovsky
                                                  > > > Mikulas....
                                                  > Of course your Grandfather was Peter Belnay from Verbicz, but this is in Hungarian language. Your father's name was probably Peter Belnaj from Vrbica (not Vrbovica) - in Slovak. During "Hungary" time, Slovaks were pressed (for many, many years) to speak Hungarian which they never did. Their language was Slovak and they always spoke Slovak at home and in their villages. But the public records including Registers were writen in Hungarian and they also tryed to change (translate to Hungarian) their beautiful Slovak names and surnames. One of my Great..Granfather's name was Pavol Dudak, they changed his name to Pal Gyugyak !? Another ancestor was Alzbeta Cervenan from Soblahov, her name was "translated" to Ersebeth Cservenyan from Czobolyfalu !?
                                                  > Your GGF had Austro-Hungarian passport in 1903 and his name and village was of course "translated".... In 1918, when Czechoslovakia was established, people started to use their real Slovak names and surnames.
                                                  > Vrbica means in Slovak language place, where were many willows (vrba=willow). It was probably small place, because today it is a part of Liptovsky Mikulas.
                                                  > About your Grandparents speaking Czech. During Czechoslovakia time (1918-1992)many people use to say: "you are Czech" because saying "Czechoslovak"was too long. Or some use to say: "you speak Czech", because they were lazy to say "Czech and Slovak". Some people (mostly foreigners) didn't know that in Czechoslovakia Czechs spoke in Czech and Slovaks spoke in Slovak. What do you think about this idea?
                                                  > Zuzana (born in Czechoslovakia)
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > ________________________________
                                                  > From: John <johnqadam@...>
                                                  > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                                                  > Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 7:38 PM
                                                  > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                                  >
                                                  >  
                                                  >
                                                  > That's exactly what it should say.
                                                  >
                                                  > --- In mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com, Lynne Wilson <sandalfoot0505@> wrote:
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Oh, my, I just made a discovery!
                                                  > >
                                                  > > I located the Belnay family Bible, with notes that my mother had made!
                                                  > >
                                                  > > She wrote that both Julius and John Belnay (my fathers older brothers) were
                                                  > > born in Austria-Hungary.
                                                  >
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                                                • Lynne Wilson
                                                  Thank you, again. Much to learn! Lynne ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                  Message 24 of 30 , Mar 12 3:52 PM
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                                                    Thank you, again. Much to learn! Lynne

                                                    On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Ron <amiak27@...> wrote:

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                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > Lynne,
                                                    >
                                                    > Centering on your question of Slavish, I refer you to Prof. Votruba at
                                                    > http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/slavicslovak.html
                                                    >
                                                    > which most all of us would agree is likely the most authoritative and
                                                    > complete answer you will find.
                                                    >
                                                    > That is drilling down pretty deep into his great information, and
                                                    > certainly reading through his web site, the questions and the answers, is a
                                                    > great start to learning many, many things about our ancestors. Two more
                                                    > general addresses to his site are:
                                                    >
                                                    > http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/qsonhist.html
                                                    > for queries on History, and
                                                    >
                                                    > http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/ for his full web site.
                                                    >
                                                    > You can also go to our Yahoo Groups website for Slovak Roots and use the
                                                    > search function to draw up past discussions on any key word, or do the same
                                                    > at Slovak World.
                                                    >
                                                    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS/ and
                                                    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Slovak-World/
                                                    >
                                                    > Dr Votruba does not keep his writings static, but is adding and expanding
                                                    > them as time goes. He also opened a discussion forum to compliment Slovak
                                                    > World at
                                                    > https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/slovak-spot
                                                    >
                                                    > Good reading! Our ancestors led interesting lives and our hunt is
                                                    > fascinating with the variety of cultures, languages and varieties of place
                                                    > names in each language. We have Slovak, Hungarian, Latin, German and
                                                    > Rusyn.Cyrillic to deal with, and perhaps a few more - Polish in some
                                                    > circumstances, Czech, and varieties of Cyrillic languages / dialects
                                                    > depending upon time, politics and location. It is as much fun as if we came
                                                    > from center of the Lord of the Ring series.
                                                    >
                                                    > Ron
                                                    >
                                                    > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Lynne Wilson <sandalfoot0505@...>
                                                    > wrote:
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Well, I certainly need to learn my history! I mean world history in
                                                    > general.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Thank you for this information.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > I am looking forward to digging deeper and coming up with my true
                                                    > ancestry!
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Something rather odd, is that my father and several of my father's
                                                    > friends
                                                    > > often referred to themselves as "Slavish." Does this mean anything to
                                                    > you?
                                                    > > Have you ever heard "Slavish" before? Maybe anglicizing "Slovak". It
                                                    > sounds
                                                    > > to me that they were Slovak!
                                                    > >
                                                    > > I am thinking somewhere in their history in the USA somebody decided they
                                                    > > were Czech, with the coming of Czechoslovakia after WW1 and that was
                                                    > that.
                                                    > > But I do need to do more research to get to the bottom of this!
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Thank you so much once again.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Lynne
                                                    > >
                                                    >
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                                                  • Lynne Wilson
                                                    Zuzana- You told me there is a listing for a Belnay is Bratislava, in the 1995 Slovak Census. Can you tell me how to access this record? Thank you. Lynne
                                                    Message 25 of 30 , Mar 17 4:49 PM
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                                                      Zuzana- You told me there is a listing for a Belnay is Bratislava, in the 1995 Slovak Census. Can you tell me how to access this record? Thank you. Lynne

                                                      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Zuzana Peer <zuzana177@...> wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      > Lynn,
                                                      > there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a Slovak word.
                                                      >  
                                                      > Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very Slovak.
                                                      >  
                                                      > Zuzana
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > ________________________________
                                                      > From: MGMojher <mgmojher@...>
                                                      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                                      > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
                                                      > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >  
                                                      >
                                                      > Lynne,
                                                      > As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does provide this:
                                                      > Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica, 1863 Werbice, 1873â€"1913 Verbic, 1920â€"1923 Vrbica
                                                      >
                                                      > As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was incorporated into:
                                                      > 1275 Liptovský Mikuláš LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 pričl. o. Mikulášsky Hušták, Vrbický Hušták; 1923 pričl. o. Vrbica;
                                                      >
                                                      > Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find. There was a Restauracia Vrbica.
                                                      >
                                                      > The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in Bratislava. The 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing for Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not seem like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in Slovakia, it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The Hungarian government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For 900 years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.
                                                      >
                                                      > This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky Mikulas. Happy searching.
                                                      > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443
                                                      >
                                                      > There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
                                                      > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443
                                                      >
                                                      > From: Lynne Wilson
                                                      > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
                                                      > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                                                      > Subject: [S-R] Belnay
                                                      >
                                                      > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter Belnay, was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia" Vrbeicz on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there any Belnays here?
                                                      >
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                                                    • MGMojher
                                                      Lynne, Here is a link where you can do your search - http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/toolbox.htm On the “Toolbox” page in the upper right is a column
                                                      Message 26 of 30 , Mar 17 5:18 PM
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                                                        Lynne,
                                                        Here is a link where you can do your search - http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/toolbox.htm
                                                        On the “Toolbox” page in the upper right is a column labeled “Places.”
                                                        You will see the heading - Slovakia Surname & Settlement search (instructions), click on “(instructions)” to learn how to use the search engine, it is only in Slovak.
                                                        From the title you can see you can do a search by Surname and Settlement. A surname search will give you the number of that surname found / nachádzalo 28×, and the number of locations / v lokalitách the surname is found in. Below that will be a list of the “top 10” locations the surname is found in and the number found.
                                                        Conversely, the Settlement search means you type in a location. What will be of use is the list of names that the location was know by through out its history, so if you are searching records for a particular time period you know how it was spelled then. What follows is the “top 100” list of surnames for that location and the number that was found

                                                        From: Lynne Wilson
                                                        Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:49 PM
                                                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                                        Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay


                                                        Zuzana- You told me there is a listing for a Belnay is Bratislava, in the 1995 Slovak Census. Can you tell me how to access this record? Thank you. Lynne

                                                        --- In mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com, Zuzana Peer <zuzana177@...> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > Lynn,
                                                        > there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a Slovak word.
                                                        > Â
                                                        > Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very Slovak.
                                                        > Â
                                                        > Zuzana
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > ________________________________
                                                        > From: MGMojher <mgmojher@...>
                                                        > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                                                        > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
                                                        > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > Â
                                                        >
                                                        > Lynne,
                                                        > As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does provide this:
                                                        > Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica, 1863 Werbice, 1873â€"1913 Verbic, 1920â€"1923 Vrbica
                                                        >
                                                        > As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was incorporated into:
                                                        > 1275 Liptovský Mikuláš LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 pričl. o. Mikulášsky Hušták, Vrbický Hušták; 1923 pričl. o. Vrbica;
                                                        >
                                                        > Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find. There was a Restauracia Vrbica.
                                                        >
                                                        > The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in Bratislava. The 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing for Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not seem like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in Slovakia, it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The Hungarian government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For 900 years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.
                                                        >
                                                        > This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky Mikulas. Happy searching.
                                                        > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443
                                                        >
                                                        > There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
                                                        > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443
                                                        >
                                                        > From: Lynne Wilson
                                                        > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
                                                        > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                                                        > Subject: [S-R] Belnay
                                                        >
                                                        > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter Belnay, was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia" Vrbeicz on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there any Belnays here?
                                                        >
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                                                        >
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                                                      • Lynne Wilson
                                                        Zuzana- Thank you so very much for this helpful information. I see a very busy day ahead tomorrow. By the way, I found numerous baptism records for Belnay
                                                        Message 27 of 30 , Mar 17 5:25 PM
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                                                          Zuzana- Thank you so very much for this helpful information. I see a very
                                                          busy day ahead tomorrow. By the way, I found numerous baptism records for
                                                          Belnay (Liptovsky Mikulas) on Family Search. So I have found past history
                                                          but no current living relatives to date. Thank you again, Lynne

                                                          On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 8:18 PM, MGMojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:

                                                          > **
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > Lynne,
                                                          > Here is a link where you can do your search -
                                                          > http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/toolbox.htm
                                                          > On the �Toolbox� page in the upper right is a column labeled �Places.�
                                                          > You will see the heading - Slovakia Surname & Settlement search
                                                          > (instructions), click on �(instructions)� to learn how to use the search
                                                          > engine, it is only in Slovak.
                                                          > From the title you can see you can do a search by Surname and Settlement.
                                                          > A surname search will give you the number of that surname found /
                                                          > nach�dzalo 28�, and the number of locations / v lokalit�ch the surname is
                                                          > found in. Below that will be a list of the �top 10� locations the surname
                                                          > is found in and the number found.
                                                          > Conversely, the Settlement search means you type in a location. What will
                                                          > be of use is the list of names that the location was know by through out
                                                          > its history, so if you are searching records for a particular time period
                                                          > you know how it was spelled then. What follows is the �top 100� list of
                                                          > surnames for that location and the number that was found
                                                          >
                                                          > From: Lynne Wilson
                                                          > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:49 PM
                                                          > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                                          > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                                          >
                                                          > Zuzana- You told me there is a listing for a Belnay is Bratislava, in the
                                                          > 1995 Slovak Census. Can you tell me how to access this record? Thank you.
                                                          > Lynne
                                                          >
                                                          > --- In mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com, Zuzana Peer <zuzana177@...>
                                                          > wrote:
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Lynn,
                                                          > > there is Restaurant VRBICA in Liptovsky Mikulas, Verbeicz is not a
                                                          > Slovak word.
                                                          > > �
                                                          > > Your Grandfather's name was probably Peter BELNAJ. Belnay is probably
                                                          > Hungarian version of his Slovak surname Belaj, which sounds very Slovak.
                                                          > > �
                                                          > > Zuzana
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > > ________________________________
                                                          > > From: MGMojher <mgmojher@...>
                                                          > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                                                          > > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:35 PM
                                                          > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Belnay
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > > �
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Lynne,
                                                          > > As happens, the spelling of a village can be misspelled. There is no
                                                          > listings for a Vrbiczt or Vrbeicz. The Liptovska Mikulas clue does provide
                                                          > this:
                                                          > > Vrbica: 1773 Verbicze, Werbica, 1786 Werbicze, 1808 Verbicz, Wrbica,
                                                          > 1863 Werbice, 1873��"1913 Verbic, 1920��"1923 Vrbica
                                                          > >
                                                          > > As you see Vrbica does not exist after 1923. That is because it was
                                                          > incorporated into:
                                                          > > 1275 Liptovsk�� Mikul���� LM/ZI liptov. po 1892 pri� l. o. Mikul����sky
                                                          > Hu��t��k, Vrbick�� Hu��t��k; 1923 pri� l. o. Vrbica;
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Restauracia/Restaurant Verbeicz had no listing that I could find. There
                                                          > was a Restauracia Vrbica.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > The 1995 Slovak Census had only one listing for Belnay, in Bratislava.
                                                          > The 2005 Liptovsky Mikulas telephone directory does not have a listing for
                                                          > Belnay. Other may comment better than I, but to me Belnay does not seem
                                                          > like a Slovak name. Since the surname seems to have died off in Slovakia,
                                                          > it may well be that you have an immigrant family to Slovakia. The Hungarian
                                                          > government encouraged migrants with skills to come to Hungary. For 900
                                                          > years Hungary controlled what we now know as Slovakia.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > This is a link to the Roman Catholic records held by Liptovsky Mikulas.
                                                          > Happy searching.
                                                          > >
                                                          > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HFQ%3An967768381%3Fcc%3D1554443
                                                          > >
                                                          > > There is also Evangelical / Lutheran records for Liptovsky Mikulas
                                                          > >
                                                          > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-7RV%3An1135362807%3Fcc%3D1554443
                                                          > >
                                                          > > From: Lynne Wilson
                                                          > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:27 PM
                                                          > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
                                                          > > Subject: [S-R] Belnay
                                                          > >
                                                          > > I only recently joined slovak roots, and am amazed at how much I have
                                                          > learned already about the procesvs. My paternal grandfather, Peter Belnay,
                                                          > was from Vrbiczt, Liptovska Mikulas. I have located "Restauracia" Vrbeicz
                                                          > on Google. Does anyone know if this is the same Vrbicz? Also, are there any
                                                          > Belnays here?
                                                          > >
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