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  • MGMojher
    In the 1995 Slovak census there were only 38 Cutek listing in 13 locations. The top 2 are listed. Lany is an area within the city/obec Stara Bystrica. The
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      In the 1995 Slovak census there were only 38 Cutek listing in 13 locations. The top 2 are listed. Lany is an area within the city/obec Stara Bystrica. The census had no listing for Csutek.
      Priezvisko ČUTEK sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 38×, celkový počet lokalít: 13, v lokalitách:
      LÁNY (obec STARÁ BYSTRICA), okr. ČADCA – 6×;
      STARÁ BYSTRICA, okr. ČADCA – 6×;

      In the 1995 Census there were only 23 listings for Kaluzny in 12 locations.
      Priezvisko KALUŽNÝ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 23×, celkový počet lokalít: 12, v lokalitách:
      LÁNY (obec STARÁ BYSTRICA), okr. ČADCA – 2×;
      STARÁ BYSTRICA, okr. ČADCA – 2×;

      The name Klubina has been know by throughout its history.
      Klubina CA/ZI trenč.
      1773 Klubina, Klubyna, 1786 Klubina, Kubina, 1808, 1888–1902 Klubina, 1863–1882 Klubin, 1907–1913 Kelebény, 1920– Klubina

      Klubina is only 1 km from Stara Bystrica. Lany seems to be a village that was incorporated into Stara Bystrica. So all of the places you are searching are less than 3/4 of a mile apart.

      This is the online link to the records for Stara Bystrica. Happy hunting.
      https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HDL%3A1807891826%3Fcc%3D1554443 - Rímsko-katolícka cirkev. Farský úrad Stará Bystrica (Kysucké Nové Mesto) 1689-1904





      From: Deborah
      Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:46 PM
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [S-R] Csutek, Cutek, Shutek, Shudic


      Thanks to everybody for all their help with materials to help me find
      some of my Grandfathers family. The name was mangled on the documents
      but I finally found him after years of hitting my head on a brick wall.
      They came from Klubina, Trencin district, and the original spelling was
      Csutek. they were a VERY large family there so I have a lot of putting
      together to do.
      My grandfathers mother was Anna Csutek he was born out of wedlock in
      1982 and for an unknown reason as of yet, she left him shortly after in
      his grandparents care While she went to America. I cannot find her
      manifest yet. His grandparents were Georgeus Csutek and Anna Kaluszny.
      He didn't come to America until he was 19. He never talked about the
      old country, so I am just now finding much of this out.
      It seems there are still a lot of Csutek's in Stara Bystrica nearby. If
      there is anybody who can tell me more about Trencin county, Klubina,
      Stara Bystrica or the name Csutek (and variations) or Kaluszny (
      Kausney, Kaluzney, etc) I would be SO grateful.
      I think I am finally getting the hang of genealogy, And it just makes
      me want to learn more.
      Thank you SO much!
      Deborah

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    • t.salony
      Deborah, [ pssst....what was your grandfather s given name? lol ] ... Does this mean you found his arrival manifest? ... Is 1982 a typo = should have been
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        Deborah,
        [ pssst....what was your grandfather's given name? lol ]

        >>> "...but I finally found him..." <<<
        Does this mean you found his arrival manifest?

        >>> "... he was born out of wedlock in 1982..." <<<
        Is "1982" a typo = should have been 1882", OR a transposition = should have been "1892"?

        *** Are you familiar with St. Clair, Pa as destination for any of the family? For example:
        CZUTIK, Jakob, 18 y.o., leaving his grandmother, Anna Czutik, in Klubin, arriving Apr.18, 1911 to stepfather, Josef ?Harsava? in St. Clair, Pa
        http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftif2gif.exe%3FT%3D\\\\192.168.100.11\\images\\T715-1662\\T715-16620941.TIF%26S%3D.5&pID=101109080309&name=Giovanni%26nbsp%3BCosta&doa=Apr+18%2C+1911&port=Genova&line=0012

        By concentrating your questioning in the old country, you make it difficult for anyone to help you find info/clues still available in the new country. :)


        TOM



        --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Deborah" <dljillustrations@...> wrote:
        >
        > Thanks to everybody for all their help with materials to help me find
        > some of my Grandfathers family. The name was mangled on the documents
        > but I finally found him after years of hitting my head on a brick wall.
        > They came from Klubina, Trencin district, and the original spelling was
        > Csutek. they were a VERY large family there so I have a lot of putting
        > together to do.
        > My grandfathers mother was Anna Csutek he was born out of wedlock in
        > 1982 and for an unknown reason as of yet, she left him shortly after in
        > his grandparents care While she went to America. I cannot find her
        > manifest yet. His grandparents were Georgeus Csutek and Anna Kaluszny.
        > He didn't come to America until he was 19. He never talked about the
        > old country, so I am just now finding much of this out.
        > It seems there are still a lot of Csutek's in Stara Bystrica nearby. If
        > there is anybody who can tell me more about Trencin county, Klubina,
        > Stara Bystrica or the name Csutek (and variations) or Kaluszny (
        > Kausney, Kaluzney, etc) I would be SO grateful.
        > I think I am finally getting the hang of genealogy, And it just makes
        > me want to learn more.
        > Thank you SO much!
        > Deborah
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
      • t.salony
        And, IF St. Clair, Pa is meaningful, you might be interested in: CSUTTEK, Katarina(24 y.o. & single) and Stefan(19 y.o. & single), arriving Aug. 18, 1898 from
        Message 3 of 15 , Feb 27, 2013
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          And, IF St. Clair, Pa is meaningful, you might be interested in:
          CSUTTEK, Katarina(24 y.o. & single) and Stefan(19 y.o. & single), arriving Aug. 18, 1898 from Klubina and going to their unnamed brother in law in St. Clair, Pa.

          TOM

          --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "t.salony" <t.salony@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Deborah,
          > [ pssst....what was your grandfather's given name? lol ]
          >
          > >>> "...but I finally found him..." <<<
          > Does this mean you found his arrival manifest?
          >
          > >>> "... he was born out of wedlock in 1982..." <<<
          > Is "1982" a typo = should have been 1882", OR a transposition = should have been "1892"?
          >
          > *** Are you familiar with St. Clair, Pa as destination for any of the family? For example:
          > CZUTIK, Jakob, 18 y.o., leaving his grandmother, Anna Czutik, in Klubin, arriving Apr.18, 1911 to stepfather, Josef ?Harsava? in St. Clair, Pa
          > http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftif2gif.exe%3FT%3D\\\\192.168.100.11\\images\\T715-1662\\T715-16620941.TIF%26S%3D.5&pID=101109080309&name=Giovanni%26nbsp%3BCosta&doa=Apr+18%2C+1911&port=Genova&line=0012
          >
          > By concentrating your questioning in the old country, you make it difficult for anyone to help you find info/clues still available in the new country. :)
          >
          >
          > TOM
          >
          >
          >
          > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Deborah" <dljillustrations@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Thanks to everybody for all their help with materials to help me find
          > > some of my Grandfathers family. The name was mangled on the documents
          > > but I finally found him after years of hitting my head on a brick wall.
          > > They came from Klubina, Trencin district, and the original spelling was
          > > Csutek. they were a VERY large family there so I have a lot of putting
          > > together to do.
          > > My grandfathers mother was Anna Csutek he was born out of wedlock in
          > > 1982 and for an unknown reason as of yet, she left him shortly after in
          > > his grandparents care While she went to America. I cannot find her
          > > manifest yet. His grandparents were Georgeus Csutek and Anna Kaluszny.
          > > He didn't come to America until he was 19. He never talked about the
          > > old country, so I am just now finding much of this out.
          > > It seems there are still a lot of Csutek's in Stara Bystrica nearby. If
          > > there is anybody who can tell me more about Trencin county, Klubina,
          > > Stara Bystrica or the name Csutek (and variations) or Kaluszny (
          > > Kausney, Kaluzney, etc) I would be SO grateful.
          > > I think I am finally getting the hang of genealogy, And it just makes
          > > me want to learn more.
          > > Thank you SO much!
          > > Deborah
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          > >
          >
        • Deborah
          ... should have been 1892 ? ... Klubin, arriving Apr.18, 1911 to stepfather, Josef ?Harsava? in St. Clair, Pa ... am so glad that was caught!!! And yes,
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            --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "t.salony" <t.salony@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Deborah,
            > [ pssst....what was your grandfather's given name? lol ]
            >
            > >>> "...but I finally found him..." <<<
            > Does this mean you found his arrival manifest? >
            > >>> "... he was born out of wedlock in 1982..." <<<
            > Is "1982" a typo = should have been 1882", OR a transposition =
            should have been "1892"?
            >
            > *** Are you familiar with St. Clair, Pa as destination for any of the
            family? For example:
            > CZUTIK, Jakob, 18 y.o., leaving his grandmother, Anna Czutik, in
            Klubin, arriving Apr.18, 1911 to stepfather, Josef ?Harsava? in St.
            Clair, Pa
            >>>>Yes, I did transpose that number... it should have been 1892 !!! I
            am so glad that was caught!!! And yes, after ten years of searching,
            I did find the manifest and it was the same one you mentioned. I have
            found the Birth/ Baptismal records for him, Jacobus Csutek, and his
            mother, aunts, uncles, and grandparents.
            When Anna came to America, she shortly married Joseph Warsava and lived
            in St Clair, PA. I cannot find the marriage certificate anywhere, and I
            finally found their census in St Clair in 1900 and 1910 ( the 1900's
            census, the name was pretty illegible, but everthing else fit) They had
            a large family there. The name Warsava was changed several times.
            Warshour Varshour, Warshaeva, Warshous, were altenate spellings on the
            names of their children's marriage liscensces. I have not yet found all
            of these children. And I have found no records for Annie. the present
            families have no photos of her<<<<

            >
            http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftif\
            2gif.exe%3FT%3D\\\\192.168.100.11\\images\\T715-1662\\T715-16620941.TIF%\
            26S%3D.5&pID=101109080309&name=Giovanni%26nbsp%3BCosta&doa=Apr+18%2C+191\
            1&port=Genova&line=0012
            >
            > By concentrating your questioning in the old country, you make it
            difficult for anyone to help you find info/clues still available in the
            new country. :)
            >>>>I am sorry about not giving enough info on present day Families.
            Annie had at least 7 siblings. Maria, Andreas Josephus, Appolonia,
            John, Catharina and Steve . We know that Maria married a Paul
            Cziko,(Sr.) and their son, Paul (Jr) came to America and changed the
            spelling to Chiko. They lived in the Belmont county/Pease county area
            of Ohio. After living shortly in St Clair, Jacob, my grandfather moved
            to this area living by his cousin Paul, his Uncle John and his Uncle
            Steve in Lansing/Bridgeport Ohio. Later John and Steve would change
            thier name to Shudic, While my grandfather spelled it Shutek. We do not
            know what happened to his Uncle Andreas, or Josephus, or his Aunt
            Appolonia. We know that Catherina and Steve came together to St Clair
            and their contacts were the Warsawa's, but although Steve moved to Ohio,
            We do not know what happened to Catherina after she came here. I did not
            think anybody would have been interested in these facts but if these
            help with finding more about him, I am glad to share!
            Thank you SO much on your help, it is much appreciated!!!<<<<

            >
            >
            > TOM
            >
            >
            >
            > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Deborah" dljillustrations@
            wrote:
            > >
            > > Thanks to everybody for all their help with materials to help me
            find
            > > some of my Grandfathers family. The name was mangled on the
            documents
            > > but I finally found him after years of hitting my head on a brick
            wall.
            > > They came from Klubina, Trencin district, and the original spelling
            was
            > > Csutek. they were a VERY large family there so I have a lot of
            putting
            > > together to do.
            > > My grandfathers mother was Anna Csutek he was born out of wedlock
            in
            > > 1982 and for an unknown reason as of yet, she left him shortly
            after in
            > > his grandparents care While she went to America. I cannot find her
            > > manifest yet. His grandparents were Georgeus Csutek and Anna
            Kaluszny.
            > > He didn't come to America until he was 19. He never talked about
            the
            > > old country, so I am just now finding much of this out.
            > > It seems there are still a lot of Csutek's in Stara Bystrica nearby.
            If
            > > there is anybody who can tell me more about Trencin county, Klubina,
            > > Stara Bystrica or the name Csutek (and variations) or Kaluszny (
            > > Kausney, Kaluzney, etc) I would be SO grateful.
            > > I think I am finally getting the hang of genealogy, And it just
            makes
            > > me want to learn more.
            > > Thank you SO much!
            > > Deborah
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            > >
            >



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          • Deborah
            ... Deb
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              --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "t.salony" <t.salony@...> wrote:
              >
              >
              >
              > And, IF St. Clair, Pa is meaningful, you might be interested in:
              > CSUTTEK, Katarina(24 y.o. & single) and Stefan(19 y.o. & single), arriving Aug. 18, 1898 from Klubina and going to their unnamed brother in law in St. Clair, Pa.
              >

              >>>> Much thanks on this! these would be Jacob's Uncle and Aunt and confirm that they did come here when they said.<<<<<

              Deb
            • Deborah
              Thank you for all your information and links! I will have a couple of weeks worth of researching to do. I can t thank you enough. I am so fascinated to find
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                Thank you for all your information and links! I will have a couple of weeks worth of researching to do. I can't thank you enough.

                I am so fascinated to find out how close these towns were. That really helps me put it into perspective.

                Deb

                --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "MGMojher" <mgmojher@...> wrote:
                >
                > In the 1995 Slovak census there were only 38 Cutek listing in 13 locations. The top 2 are listed. Lany is an area within the city/obec Stara Bystrica. The census had no listing for Csutek.
                > Priezvisko ČUTEK sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 38×, celkový počet lokalít: 13, v lokalitách:
                > LÁNY (obec STARÁ BYSTRICA), okr. ČADCA â€" 6×;
                > STARÁ BYSTRICA, okr. ČADCA â€" 6×;
                >
                > In the 1995 Census there were only 23 listings for Kaluzny in 12 locations.
                > Priezvisko KALUŽNÝ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 23×, celkový počet lokalít: 12, v lokalitách:
                > LÁNY (obec STARÁ BYSTRICA), okr. ČADCA â€" 2×;
                > STARÁ BYSTRICA, okr. ČADCA â€" 2×;
                >
                > The name Klubina has been know by throughout its history.
                > Klubina CA/ZI trenč.
                > 1773 Klubina, Klubyna, 1786 Klubina, Kubina, 1808, 1888â€"1902 Klubina, 1863â€"1882 Klubin, 1907â€"1913 Kelebény, 1920â€" Klubina
                >
                > Klubina is only 1 km from Stara Bystrica. Lany seems to be a village that was incorporated into Stara Bystrica. So all of the places you are searching are less than 3/4 of a mile apart.
                >
                > This is the online link to the records for Stara Bystrica. Happy hunting.
                > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99C-HDL%3A1807891826%3Fcc%3D1554443 - Rímsko-katolícka cirkev. Farský úrad Stará Bystrica (Kysucké Nové Mesto) 1689-1904
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > From: Deborah
                > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:46 PM
                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [S-R] Csutek, Cutek, Shutek, Shudic
                >
                >
                > Thanks to everybody for all their help with materials to help me find
                > some of my Grandfathers family. The name was mangled on the documents
                > but I finally found him after years of hitting my head on a brick wall.
                > They came from Klubina, Trencin district, and the original spelling was
                > Csutek. they were a VERY large family there so I have a lot of putting
                > together to do.
                > My grandfathers mother was Anna Csutek he was born out of wedlock in
                > 1982 and for an unknown reason as of yet, she left him shortly after in
                > his grandparents care While she went to America. I cannot find her
                > manifest yet. His grandparents were Georgeus Csutek and Anna Kaluszny.
                > He didn't come to America until he was 19. He never talked about the
                > old country, so I am just now finding much of this out.
                > It seems there are still a lot of Csutek's in Stara Bystrica nearby. If
                > there is anybody who can tell me more about Trencin county, Klubina,
                > Stara Bystrica or the name Csutek (and variations) or Kaluszny (
                > Kausney, Kaluzney, etc) I would be SO grateful.
                > I think I am finally getting the hang of genealogy, And it just makes
                > me want to learn more.
                > Thank you SO much!
                > Deborah
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
              • Judy
                Were they Roman Catholic? If so, and they were married in the U.S. and lived in St. Clair, Pa., then there is a good possibility that you may be able to obtain
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                  Were they Roman Catholic?
                  If so, and they were married in the U.S. and lived in St. Clair, Pa., then there is a good possibility that you may be able to obtain marriage information (not a marriage certificate, but a transcription of what is recorded in the sacramental records) from the Diocese of Pittsburgh Archives Center. Below is a link to their web page regarding requesting a search for genealogy relevant records:
                  http://diopitt.org/office-archives-and-record-center/information-genealogists
                  Though not Joseph's marriage, this may be of interest to you:
                  Marriage of Anna Warshowa & John Kurtz found on FamilySearch under Pennsylvania, County Marriages, 1885-1950.


                  --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Deborah" <dljillustrations@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "t.salony" <t.salony@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Deborah,
                  > > [ pssst....what was your grandfather's given name? lol ]
                  > >
                  > > >>> "...but I finally found him..." <<<
                  > > Does this mean you found his arrival manifest? >
                  > > >>> "... he was born out of wedlock in 1982..." <<<
                  > > Is "1982" a typo = should have been 1882", OR a transposition =
                  > should have been "1892"?
                  > >
                  > > *** Are you familiar with St. Clair, Pa as destination for any of the
                  > family? For example:
                  > > CZUTIK, Jakob, 18 y.o., leaving his grandmother, Anna Czutik, in
                  > Klubin, arriving Apr.18, 1911 to stepfather, Josef ?Harsava? in St.
                  > Clair, Pa
                  > >>>>Yes, I did transpose that number... it should have been 1892 !!! I
                  > am so glad that was caught!!! And yes, after ten years of searching,
                  > I did find the manifest and it was the same one you mentioned. I have
                  > found the Birth/ Baptismal records for him, Jacobus Csutek, and his
                  > mother, aunts, uncles, and grandparents.
                  > When Anna came to America, she shortly married Joseph Warsava and lived
                  > in St Clair, PA. I cannot find the marriage certificate anywhere, and I
                  > finally found their census in St Clair in 1900 and 1910 ( the 1900's
                  > census, the name was pretty illegible, but everthing else fit) They had
                  > a large family there. The name Warsava was changed several times.
                  > Warshour Varshour, Warshaeva, Warshous, were altenate spellings on the
                  > names of their children's marriage liscensces. I have not yet found all
                  > of these children. And I have found no records for Annie. the present
                  > families have no photos of her<<<<
                  >
                  > >
                  > http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftif\
                  > 2gif.exe%3FT%3D\\\\192.168.100.11\\images\\T715-1662\\T715-16620941.TIF%\
                  > 26S%3D.5&pID=101109080309&name=Giovanni%26nbsp%3BCosta&doa=Apr+18%2C+191\
                  > 1&port=Genova&line=0012
                  > >
                  > > By concentrating your questioning in the old country, you make it
                  > difficult for anyone to help you find info/clues still available in the
                  > new country. :)
                  > >>>>I am sorry about not giving enough info on present day Families.
                  > Annie had at least 7 siblings. Maria, Andreas Josephus, Appolonia,
                  > John, Catharina and Steve . We know that Maria married a Paul
                  > Cziko,(Sr.) and their son, Paul (Jr) came to America and changed the
                  > spelling to Chiko. They lived in the Belmont county/Pease county area
                  > of Ohio. After living shortly in St Clair, Jacob, my grandfather moved
                  > to this area living by his cousin Paul, his Uncle John and his Uncle
                  > Steve in Lansing/Bridgeport Ohio. Later John and Steve would change
                  > thier name to Shudic, While my grandfather spelled it Shutek. We do not
                  > know what happened to his Uncle Andreas, or Josephus, or his Aunt
                  > Appolonia. We know that Catherina and Steve came together to St Clair
                  > and their contacts were the Warsawa's, but although Steve moved to Ohio,
                  > We do not know what happened to Catherina after she came here. I did not
                  > think anybody would have been interested in these facts but if these
                  > help with finding more about him, I am glad to share!
                  > Thank you SO much on your help, it is much appreciated!!!<<<<
                  >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > TOM
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Deborah" dljillustrations@
                  > wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Thanks to everybody for all their help with materials to help me
                  > find
                  > > > some of my Grandfathers family. The name was mangled on the
                  > documents
                  > > > but I finally found him after years of hitting my head on a brick
                  > wall.
                  > > > They came from Klubina, Trencin district, and the original spelling
                  > was
                  > > > Csutek. they were a VERY large family there so I have a lot of
                  > putting
                  > > > together to do.
                  > > > My grandfathers mother was Anna Csutek he was born out of wedlock
                  > in
                  > > > 1982 and for an unknown reason as of yet, she left him shortly
                  > after in
                  > > > his grandparents care While she went to America. I cannot find her
                  > > > manifest yet. His grandparents were Georgeus Csutek and Anna
                  > Kaluszny.
                  > > > He didn't come to America until he was 19. He never talked about
                  > the
                  > > > old country, so I am just now finding much of this out.
                  > > > It seems there are still a lot of Csutek's in Stara Bystrica nearby.
                  > If
                  > > > there is anybody who can tell me more about Trencin county, Klubina,
                  > > > Stara Bystrica or the name Csutek (and variations) or Kaluszny (
                  > > > Kausney, Kaluzney, etc) I would be SO grateful.
                  > > > I think I am finally getting the hang of genealogy, And it just
                  > makes
                  > > > me want to learn more.
                  > > > Thank you SO much!
                  > > > Deborah
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  > > >
                  > >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  >
                • Deborah
                  ... They lived in St Claire, but is was listed as Sckuykill county, not Allegaeny, so I don t know if the address in your link would work, but I will give it
                  Message 8 of 15 , Feb 28, 2013
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                    --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Judy" <hogelj@...> wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Were they Roman Catholic?
                    > If so, and they were married in the U.S. and lived in St. Clair, Pa., then there is a good possibility that you may be able to obtain marriage information (not a marriage certificate, but a transcription of what is recorded in the sacramental records) from the Diocese of Pittsburgh Archives Center. Below is a link to their web page regarding requesting a search for genealogy relevant records:
                    > http://diopitt.org/office-archives-and-record-center/information-genealogists
                    > Though not Joseph's marriage, this may be of interest to you:
                    > Marriage of Anna Warshowa & John Kurtz found on FamilySearch under Pennsylvania, County Marriages, 1885-1950.
                    >
                    >


                    They lived in St Claire, but is was listed as Sckuykill county, not Allegaeny, so I don't know if the address in your link would work, but I will give it a try thank you very much.

                    And Anna was definitely a half sister of my Grandfather. They misspelled her name as Clutek, and other siblings listed her as just Annie.

                    These missing puzzle pieces are very difficult to find.
                  • Marilyn Murphy
                    The town of St. Clair is located in Schuylkill County PA which is about 75 miles or so north of Philadelphia. There is an Upper St Clair Township in Allegheny
                    Message 9 of 15 , Feb 28, 2013
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                      The town of St. Clair is located in Schuylkill County PA which is about 75 miles or so north of Philadelphia. There is an Upper St Clair Township in Allegheny County near Pittsburgh. They are entirely different diocese.

                      Sent from my iPhone

                      On Feb 28, 2013, at 1:09 PM, "Deborah" <dljillustrations@...> wrote:

                      >
                      >
                      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Judy" wrote:
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Were they Roman Catholic?
                      > > If so, and they were married in the U.S. and lived in St. Clair, Pa., then there is a good possibility that you may be able to obtain marriage information (not a marriage certificate, but a transcription of what is recorded in the sacramental records) from the Diocese of Pittsburgh Archives Center. Below is a link to their web page regarding requesting a search for genealogy relevant records:
                      > > http://diopitt.org/office-archives-and-record-center/information-genealogists
                      > > Though not Joseph's marriage, this may be of interest to you:
                      > > Marriage of Anna Warshowa & John Kurtz found on FamilySearch under Pennsylvania, County Marriages, 1885-1950.
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                      > They lived in St Claire, but is was listed as Sckuykill county, not Allegaeny, so I don't know if the address in your link would work, but I will give it a try thank you very much.
                      >
                      > And Anna was definitely a half sister of my Grandfather. They misspelled her name as Clutek, and other siblings listed her as just Annie.
                      >
                      > These missing puzzle pieces are very difficult to find.
                      >
                      >


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                    • hmsbob
                      St. Clair is not in the Pittsburg Diocese. Belive it is in the Allentown Diocese. In a message dated 2/28/2013 9:26:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
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                        St. Clair is not in the Pittsburg Diocese. Belive it is in the Allentown
                        Diocese.


                        In a message dated 2/28/2013 9:26:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
                        hogelj@... writes:






                        Were they Roman Catholic?
                        If so, and they were married in the U.S. and lived in St. Clair, Pa., then
                        there is a good possibility that you may be able to obtain marriage
                        information (not a marriage certificate, but a transcription of what is recorded
                        in the sacramental records) from the Diocese of Pittsburgh Archives Center.
                        Below is a link to their web page regarding requesting a search for
                        genealogy relevant records:
                        _http://diopitt.org/office-archives-and-record-center/information-genealogis
                        ts_
                        (http://diopitt.org/office-archives-and-record-center/information-genealogists)
                        Though not Joseph's marriage, this may be of interest to you:
                        Marriage of Anna Warshowa & John Kurtz found on FamilySearch under
                        Pennsylvania, County Marriages, 1885-1950.

                        --- In _SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com)
                        , "Deborah" wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In _SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com_
                        (mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com) , "t.salony" wrote:
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Deborah,
                        > > [ pssst....what was your grandfather's given name? lol ]
                        > >
                        > > >>> "...but I finally found him..." <<<
                        > > Does this mean you found his arrival manifest? >
                        > > >>> "... he was born out of wedlock in 1982..." <<<
                        > > Is "1982" a typo = should have been 1882", OR a transposition =
                        > should have been "1892"?
                        > >
                        > > *** Are you familiar with St. Clair, Pa as destination for any of the
                        > family? For example:
                        > > CZUTIK, Jakob, 18 y.o., leaving his grandmother, Anna Czutik, in
                        > Klubin, arriving Apr.18, 1911 to stepfather, Josef ?Harsava? in St.
                        > Clair, Pa
                        > >>>>Yes, I did transpose that number... it should have been 1892 !!! I
                        > am so glad that was caught!!! And yes, after ten years of searching,
                        > I did find the manifest and it was the same one you mentioned. I have
                        > found the Birth/ Baptismal records for him, Jacobus Csutek, and his
                        > mother, aunts, uncles, and grandparents.
                        > When Anna came to America, she shortly married Joseph Warsava and lived
                        > in St Clair, PA. I cannot find the marriage certificate anywhere, and I
                        > finally found their census in St Clair in 1900 and 1910 ( the 1900's
                        > census, the name was pretty illegible, but everthing else fit) They had
                        > a large family there. The name Warsava was changed several times.
                        > Warshour Varshour, Warshaeva, Warshous, were altenate spellings on the
                        > names of their children's marriage liscensces. I have not yet found all
                        > of these children. And I have found no records for Annie. the present
                        > families have no photos of her<<<<
                        >
                        > >
                        > _http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftif\
                        _ (http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=/cgi-bin/tif) >
                        2gif.exe%3FT%3D\\\\192.168.100.11\\images\\T715-1662\\T715-16620941.TIF%\
                        > 26S%3D.5&pID=101109080309&name=Giovanni%26nbsp%3BCosta&doa=Apr+18%2C+191\
                        > 1&port=Genova&line=0012
                        > >
                        > > By concentrating your questioning in the old country, you make it
                        > difficult for anyone to help you find info/clues still available in the
                        > new country. :)
                        > >>>>I am sorry about not giving enough info on present day Families.
                        > Annie had at least 7 siblings. Maria, Andreas Josephus, Appolonia,
                        > John, Catharina and Steve . We know that Maria married a Paul
                        > Cziko,(Sr.) and their son, Paul (Jr) came to America and changed the
                        > spelling to Chiko. They lived in the Belmont county/Pease county area
                        > of Ohio. After living shortly in St Clair, Jacob, my grandfather moved
                        > to this area living by his cousin Paul, his Uncle John and his Uncle
                        > Steve in Lansing/Bridgeport Ohio. Later John and Steve would change
                        > thier name to Shudic, While my grandfather spelled it Shutek. We do not
                        > know what happened to his Uncle Andreas, or Josephus, or his Aunt
                        > Appolonia. We know that Catherina and Steve came together to St Clair
                        > and their contacts were the Warsawa's, but although Steve moved to Ohio,
                        > We do not know what happened to Catherina after she came here. I did not
                        > think anybody would have been interested in these facts but if these
                        > help with finding more about him, I am glad to share!
                        > Thank you SO much on your help, it is much appreciated!!!<<<<
                        >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > TOM
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- In _SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com_
                        (mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com) , "Deborah" dljillustrations@
                        > wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Thanks to everybody for all their help with materials to help me
                        > find
                        > > > some of my Grandfathers family. The name was mangled on the
                        > documents
                        > > > but I finally found him after years of hitting my head on a brick
                        > wall.
                        > > > They came from Klubina, Trencin district, and the original spelling
                        > was
                        > > > Csutek. they were a VERY large family there so I have a lot of
                        > putting
                        > > > together to do.
                        > > > My grandfathers mother was Anna Csutek he was born out of wedlock
                        > in
                        > > > 1982 and for an unknown reason as of yet, she left him shortly
                        > after in
                        > > > his grandparents care While she went to America. I cannot find her
                        > > > manifest yet. His grandparents were Georgeus Csutek and Anna
                        > Kaluszny.
                        > > > He didn't come to America until he was 19. He never talked about
                        > the
                        > > > old country, so I am just now finding much of this out.
                        > > > It seems there are still a lot of Csutek's in Stara Bystrica nearby.
                        > If
                        > > > there is anybody who can tell me more about Trencin county, Klubina,
                        > > > Stara Bystrica or the name Csutek (and variations) or Kaluszny (
                        > > > Kausney, Kaluzney, etc) I would be SO grateful.
                        > > > I think I am finally getting the hang of genealogy, And it just
                        > makes
                        > > > me want to learn more.
                        > > > Thank you SO much!
                        > > > Deborah
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > > >
                        > >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        >






                        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      • t.salony
                        Deborah, ... know what happened to his Uncle Andreas, or Josephus, or his Aunt Appolonia.
                        Message 11 of 15 , Feb 28, 2013
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                          Deborah,

                          >>> "We do not
                          know what happened to his Uncle Andreas, or Josephus, or his Aunt
                          Appolonia. <<<

                          May have found "Josephus":

                          CSUTTEK, Jozsef (36 y.o. married locksmith)from Kubina, arriving Aug 16, 1899 going to brother in St. Clair, Pa and *** had been here "90/3" - 4 years ( which I interpret to be 1890-1893? ). Totally unable to make out the name of the town, even after comparing all present-day places in Schuylkill County: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Clair,_Pennsylvania

                          Link to the record(hopefully) :http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/engine/gold.php?uid=13619932789221361993303496&referrer=httpstevemorse.orgellis2ellisgold.html&mode=running&time=1362081313316&arrivalPort=ellisgold&firstkind=close&FNM=&kind=close&LNM=Csuttek&companionkind=close&CNM=&townkind=close&town=kubina&SHP=&prtkind=close&PRT=&SYR=&EYR=&MONTH=&DAY=&SAGE=&EAGE=&offset=1&MRTL=&BSYR=&BEYR=&pagesize=50&CGD=&FLD=name&FLD=yoa&FLD=age&FLD=passrec&FLD=town&FLD=tmanifest&FLD=smanifest&FLD=yob&FLD=image&FLD=annotations&SRT=name&DIRECTION=asc

                          --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Deborah" <dljillustrations@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "t.salony" <t.salony@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Deborah,
                          > > [ pssst....what was your grandfather's given name? lol ]
                          > >
                          > > >>> "...but I finally found him..." <<<
                          > > Does this mean you found his arrival manifest? >
                          > > >>> "... he was born out of wedlock in 1982..." <<<
                          > > Is "1982" a typo = should have been 1882", OR a transposition =
                          > should have been "1892"?
                          > >
                          > > *** Are you familiar with St. Clair, Pa as destination for any of the
                          > family? For example:
                          > > CZUTIK, Jakob, 18 y.o., leaving his grandmother, Anna Czutik, in
                          > Klubin, arriving Apr.18, 1911 to stepfather, Josef ?Harsava? in St.
                          > Clair, Pa
                          > >>>>Yes, I did transpose that number... it should have been 1892 !!! I
                          > am so glad that was caught!!! And yes, after ten years of searching,
                          > I did find the manifest and it was the same one you mentioned. I have
                          > found the Birth/ Baptismal records for him, Jacobus Csutek, and his
                          > mother, aunts, uncles, and grandparents.
                          > When Anna came to America, she shortly married Joseph Warsava and lived
                          > in St Clair, PA. I cannot find the marriage certificate anywhere, and I
                          > finally found their census in St Clair in 1900 and 1910 ( the 1900's
                          > census, the name was pretty illegible, but everthing else fit) They had
                          > a large family there. The name Warsava was changed several times.
                          > Warshour Varshour, Warshaeva, Warshous, were altenate spellings on the
                          > names of their children's marriage liscensces. I have not yet found all
                          > of these children. And I have found no records for Annie. the present
                          > families have no photos of her<<<<
                          >
                          > >
                          > http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftif\
                          > 2gif.exe%3FT%3D\\\\192.168.100.11\\images\\T715-1662\\T715-16620941.TIF%\
                          > 26S%3D.5&pID=101109080309&name=Giovanni%26nbsp%3BCosta&doa=Apr+18%2C+191\
                          > 1&port=Genova&line=0012
                          > >
                          > > By concentrating your questioning in the old country, you make it
                          > difficult for anyone to help you find info/clues still available in the
                          > new country. :)
                          > >>>>I am sorry about not giving enough info on present day Families.
                          > Annie had at least 7 siblings. Maria, Andreas Josephus, Appolonia,
                          > John, Catharina and Steve . We know that Maria married a Paul
                          > Cziko,(Sr.) and their son, Paul (Jr) came to America and changed the
                          > spelling to Chiko. They lived in the Belmont county/Pease county area
                          > of Ohio. After living shortly in St Clair, Jacob, my grandfather moved
                          > to this area living by his cousin Paul, his Uncle John and his Uncle
                          > Steve in Lansing/Bridgeport Ohio. Later John and Steve would change
                          > thier name to Shudic, While my grandfather spelled it Shutek. We do not
                          > know what happened to his Uncle Andreas, or Josephus, or his Aunt
                          > Appolonia. We know that Catherina and Steve came together to St Clair
                          > and their contacts were the Warsawa's, but although Steve moved to Ohio,
                          > We do not know what happened to Catherina after she came here. I did not
                          > think anybody would have been interested in these facts but if these
                          > help with finding more about him, I am glad to share!
                          > Thank you SO much on your help, it is much appreciated!!!<<<<
                          >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > TOM
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Deborah" dljillustrations@
                          > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks to everybody for all their help with materials to help me
                          > find
                          > > > some of my Grandfathers family. The name was mangled on the
                          > documents
                          > > > but I finally found him after years of hitting my head on a brick
                          > wall.
                          > > > They came from Klubina, Trencin district, and the original spelling
                          > was
                          > > > Csutek. they were a VERY large family there so I have a lot of
                          > putting
                          > > > together to do.
                          > > > My grandfathers mother was Anna Csutek he was born out of wedlock
                          > in
                          > > > 1982 and for an unknown reason as of yet, she left him shortly
                          > after in
                          > > > his grandparents care While she went to America. I cannot find her
                          > > > manifest yet. His grandparents were Georgeus Csutek and Anna
                          > Kaluszny.
                          > > > He didn't come to America until he was 19. He never talked about
                          > the
                          > > > old country, so I am just now finding much of this out.
                          > > > It seems there are still a lot of Csutek's in Stara Bystrica nearby.
                          > If
                          > > > there is anybody who can tell me more about Trencin county, Klubina,
                          > > > Stara Bystrica or the name Csutek (and variations) or Kaluszny (
                          > > > Kausney, Kaluzney, etc) I would be SO grateful.
                          > > > I think I am finally getting the hang of genealogy, And it just
                          > makes
                          > > > me want to learn more.
                          > > > Thank you SO much!
                          > > > Deborah
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          >
                        • martha.andras
                          Hi Judy, St. Clair is in Schuylkill County, PA. You can access county records by going to www.co.schuylkill.pa.us/info then on the right of the page, click
                          Message 12 of 15 , Feb 28, 2013
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                            Hi Judy,

                            St. Clair is in Schuylkill County, PA. You can access county records by going to www.co.schuylkill.pa.us/info then on the right of the page, click on Marriage Docket Information. You will be able to type in the names of the bride and groom. If a record exists, it will show up. The you can call the courthouse and request a copy. I found my great-grandparents marriage record this way. Cost is very reasonable.

                            I did try to type in several of the spellings you suggested and didn't find anything. However, this is a good source of information to have and perhaps you can try other spelling variations and find what you are looking for.

                            Good luck!

                            Martha

                            --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Judy" <hogelj@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Were they Roman Catholic?
                            > If so, and they were married in the U.S. and lived in St. Clair, Pa., then there is a good possibility that you may be able to obtain marriage information (not a marriage certificate, but a transcription of what is recorded in the sacramental records) from the Diocese of Pittsburgh Archives Center. Below is a link to their web page regarding requesting a search for genealogy relevant records:
                            > http://diopitt.org/office-archives-and-record-center/information-genealogists
                            > Though not Joseph's marriage, this may be of interest to you:
                            > Marriage of Anna Warshowa & John Kurtz found on FamilySearch under Pennsylvania, County Marriages, 1885-1950.
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Deborah" <dljillustrations@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "t.salony" <t.salony@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Deborah,
                            > > > [ pssst....what was your grandfather's given name? lol ]
                            > > >
                            > > > >>> "...but I finally found him..." <<<
                            > > > Does this mean you found his arrival manifest? >
                            > > > >>> "... he was born out of wedlock in 1982..." <<<
                            > > > Is "1982" a typo = should have been 1882", OR a transposition =
                            > > should have been "1892"?
                            > > >
                            > > > *** Are you familiar with St. Clair, Pa as destination for any of the
                            > > family? For example:
                            > > > CZUTIK, Jakob, 18 y.o., leaving his grandmother, Anna Czutik, in
                            > > Klubin, arriving Apr.18, 1911 to stepfather, Josef ?Harsava? in St.
                            > > Clair, Pa
                            > > >>>>Yes, I did transpose that number... it should have been 1892 !!! I
                            > > am so glad that was caught!!! And yes, after ten years of searching,
                            > > I did find the manifest and it was the same one you mentioned. I have
                            > > found the Birth/ Baptismal records for him, Jacobus Csutek, and his
                            > > mother, aunts, uncles, and grandparents.
                            > > When Anna came to America, she shortly married Joseph Warsava and lived
                            > > in St Clair, PA. I cannot find the marriage certificate anywhere, and I
                            > > finally found their census in St Clair in 1900 and 1910 ( the 1900's
                            > > census, the name was pretty illegible, but everthing else fit) They had
                            > > a large family there. The name Warsava was changed several times.
                            > > Warshour Varshour, Warshaeva, Warshous, were altenate spellings on the
                            > > names of their children's marriage liscensces. I have not yet found all
                            > > of these children. And I have found no records for Annie. the present
                            > > families have no photos of her<<<<
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > > http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftif\
                            > > 2gif.exe%3FT%3D\\\\192.168.100.11\\images\\T715-1662\\T715-16620941.TIF%\
                            > > 26S%3D.5&pID=101109080309&name=Giovanni%26nbsp%3BCosta&doa=Apr+18%2C+191\
                            > > 1&port=Genova&line=0012
                            > > >
                            > > > By concentrating your questioning in the old country, you make it
                            > > difficult for anyone to help you find info/clues still available in the
                            > > new country. :)
                            > > >>>>I am sorry about not giving enough info on present day Families.
                            > > Annie had at least 7 siblings. Maria, Andreas Josephus, Appolonia,
                            > > John, Catharina and Steve . We know that Maria married a Paul
                            > > Cziko,(Sr.) and their son, Paul (Jr) came to America and changed the
                            > > spelling to Chiko. They lived in the Belmont county/Pease county area
                            > > of Ohio. After living shortly in St Clair, Jacob, my grandfather moved
                            > > to this area living by his cousin Paul, his Uncle John and his Uncle
                            > > Steve in Lansing/Bridgeport Ohio. Later John and Steve would change
                            > > thier name to Shudic, While my grandfather spelled it Shutek. We do not
                            > > know what happened to his Uncle Andreas, or Josephus, or his Aunt
                            > > Appolonia. We know that Catherina and Steve came together to St Clair
                            > > and their contacts were the Warsawa's, but although Steve moved to Ohio,
                            > > We do not know what happened to Catherina after she came here. I did not
                            > > think anybody would have been interested in these facts but if these
                            > > help with finding more about him, I am glad to share!
                            > > Thank you SO much on your help, it is much appreciated!!!<<<<
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > TOM
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Deborah" dljillustrations@
                            > > wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Thanks to everybody for all their help with materials to help me
                            > > find
                            > > > > some of my Grandfathers family. The name was mangled on the
                            > > documents
                            > > > > but I finally found him after years of hitting my head on a brick
                            > > wall.
                            > > > > They came from Klubina, Trencin district, and the original spelling
                            > > was
                            > > > > Csutek. they were a VERY large family there so I have a lot of
                            > > putting
                            > > > > together to do.
                            > > > > My grandfathers mother was Anna Csutek he was born out of wedlock
                            > > in
                            > > > > 1982 and for an unknown reason as of yet, she left him shortly
                            > > after in
                            > > > > his grandparents care While she went to America. I cannot find her
                            > > > > manifest yet. His grandparents were Georgeus Csutek and Anna
                            > > Kaluszny.
                            > > > > He didn't come to America until he was 19. He never talked about
                            > > the
                            > > > > old country, so I am just now finding much of this out.
                            > > > > It seems there are still a lot of Csutek's in Stara Bystrica nearby.
                            > > If
                            > > > > there is anybody who can tell me more about Trencin county, Klubina,
                            > > > > Stara Bystrica or the name Csutek (and variations) or Kaluszny (
                            > > > > Kausney, Kaluzney, etc) I would be SO grateful.
                            > > > > I think I am finally getting the hang of genealogy, And it just
                            > > makes
                            > > > > me want to learn more.
                            > > > > Thank you SO much!
                            > > > > Deborah
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            > >
                            >
                          • Deborah
                            Wow! t.salony that was exactly him to the correct birth date in the Slovak Baptism records! I am SO grateful for your help. That is incredible. He was a
                            Message 13 of 15 , Mar 1, 2013
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                              Wow! "t.salony" that was exactly him to the correct birth date in the Slovak Baptism records! I am SO grateful for your help. That is incredible. He was a locksmith? hmmmm. I wonder how that fit in with his younger brothers being laborers. And to know that he was here in 1890 1893 fits in because that was when Anna came over (appr 1893) She more than likely came with Joseph as her contact. And his younger brother Steven most likely would be his contact when he came a second time.Very interesting. It says he was married, but now I have no idea who his wife and children were were or whether they lived in the States or Klubina. next mystery for me to solve. :)

                              Deborah

                              --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "t.salony" <t.salony@...> wrote:
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                              > Deborah,
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                              > >>> "We do not
                              > know what happened to his Uncle Andreas, or Josephus, or his Aunt
                              > Appolonia. <<<
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                              > May have found "Josephus":
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                              > CSUTTEK, Jozsef (36 y.o. married locksmith)from Kubina, arriving Aug 16, 1899 going to brother in St. Clair, Pa and *** had been here "90/3" - 4 years ( which I interpret to be 1890-1893? ). Totally unable to make out the name of the town, even after comparing all present-day places in Schuylkill County: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Clair,_Pennsylvania
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                              > Link to the record(hopefully) :http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/engine/gold.php?uid=13619932789221361993303496&referrer=httpstevemorse.orgellis2ellisgold.html&mode=running&time=1362081313316&arrivalPort=ellisgold&firstkind=close&FNM=&kind=close&LNM=Csuttek&companionkind=close&CNM=&townkind=close&town=kubina&SHP=&prtkind=close&PRT=&SYR=&EYR=&MONTH=&DAY=&SAGE=&EAGE=&offset=1&MRTL=&BSYR=&BEYR=&pagesize=50&CGD=&FLD=name&FLD=yoa&FLD=age&FLD=passrec&FLD=town&FLD=tmanifest&FLD=smanifest&FLD=yob&FLD=image&FLD=annotations&SRT=name&DIRECTION=asc
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                              > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Deborah" <dljillustrations@> wrote:
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                              > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "t.salony" <t.salony@> wrote:
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                              > > > Deborah,
                              > > > [ pssst....what was your grandfather's given name? lol ]
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                              > > > >>> "...but I finally found him..." <<<
                              > > > Does this mean you found his arrival manifest? >
                              > > > >>> "... he was born out of wedlock in 1982..." <<<
                              > > > Is "1982" a typo = should have been 1882", OR a transposition =
                              > > should have been "1892"?
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                              > > > *** Are you familiar with St. Clair, Pa as destination for any of the
                              > > family? For example:
                              > > > CZUTIK, Jakob, 18 y.o., leaving his grandmother, Anna Czutik, in
                              > > Klubin, arriving Apr.18, 1911 to stepfather, Josef ?Harsava? in St.
                              > > Clair, Pa
                              > > >>>>Yes, I did transpose that number... it should have been 1892 !!! I
                              > > am so glad that was caught!!! And yes, after ten years of searching,
                              > > I did find the manifest and it was the same one you mentioned. I have
                              > > found the Birth/ Baptismal records for him, Jacobus Csutek, and his
                              > > mother, aunts, uncles, and grandparents.
                              > > When Anna came to America, she shortly married Joseph Warsava and lived
                              > > in St Clair, PA. I cannot find the marriage certificate anywhere, and I
                              > > finally found their census in St Clair in 1900 and 1910 ( the 1900's
                              > > census, the name was pretty illegible, but everthing else fit) They had
                              > > a large family there. The name Warsava was changed several times.
                              > > Warshour Varshour, Warshaeva, Warshous, were altenate spellings on the
                              > > names of their children's marriage liscensces. I have not yet found all
                              > > of these children. And I have found no records for Annie. the present
                              > > families have no photos of her<<<<
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                              > > >
                              > > http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftif\
                              > > 2gif.exe%3FT%3D\\\\192.168.100.11\\images\\T715-1662\\T715-16620941.TIF%\
                              > > 26S%3D.5&pID=101109080309&name=Giovanni%26nbsp%3BCosta&doa=Apr+18%2C+191\
                              > > 1&port=Genova&line=0012
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                              > > > By concentrating your questioning in the old country, you make it
                              > > difficult for anyone to help you find info/clues still available in the
                              > > new country. :)
                              > > >>>>I am sorry about not giving enough info on present day Families.
                              > > Annie had at least 7 siblings. Maria, Andreas Josephus, Appolonia,
                              > > John, Catharina and Steve . We know that Maria married a Paul
                              > > Cziko,(Sr.) and their son, Paul (Jr) came to America and changed the
                              > > spelling to Chiko. They lived in the Belmont county/Pease county area
                              > > of Ohio. After living shortly in St Clair, Jacob, my grandfather moved
                              > > to this area living by his cousin Paul, his Uncle John and his Uncle
                              > > Steve in Lansing/Bridgeport Ohio. Later John and Steve would change
                              > > thier name to Shudic, While my grandfather spelled it Shutek. We do not
                              > > know what happened to his Uncle Andreas, or Josephus, or his Aunt
                              > > Appolonia. We know that Catherina and Steve came together to St Clair
                              > > and their contacts were the Warsawa's, but although Steve moved to Ohio,
                              > > We do not know what happened to Catherina after she came here. I did not
                              > > think anybody would have been interested in these facts but if these
                              > > help with finding more about him, I am glad to share!
                              > > Thank you SO much on your help, it is much appreciated!!!<<<<
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                              > > > TOM
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                              > > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Deborah" dljillustrations@
                              > > wrote:
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                              > > > > Thanks to everybody for all their help with materials to help me
                              > > find
                              > > > > some of my Grandfathers family. The name was mangled on the
                              > > documents
                              > > > > but I finally found him after years of hitting my head on a brick
                              > > wall.
                              > > > > They came from Klubina, Trencin district, and the original spelling
                              > > was
                              > > > > Csutek. they were a VERY large family there so I have a lot of
                              > > putting
                              > > > > together to do.
                              > > > > My grandfathers mother was Anna Csutek he was born out of wedlock
                              > > in
                              > > > > 1982 and for an unknown reason as of yet, she left him shortly
                              > > after in
                              > > > > his grandparents care While she went to America. I cannot find her
                              > > > > manifest yet. His grandparents were Georgeus Csutek and Anna
                              > > Kaluszny.
                              > > > > He didn't come to America until he was 19. He never talked about
                              > > the
                              > > > > old country, so I am just now finding much of this out.
                              > > > > It seems there are still a lot of Csutek's in Stara Bystrica nearby.
                              > > If
                              > > > > there is anybody who can tell me more about Trencin county, Klubina,
                              > > > > Stara Bystrica or the name Csutek (and variations) or Kaluszny (
                              > > > > Kausney, Kaluzney, etc) I would be SO grateful.
                              > > > > I think I am finally getting the hang of genealogy, And it just
                              > > makes
                              > > > > me want to learn more.
                              > > > > Thank you SO much!
                              > > > > Deborah
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