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Re: [S-R] Re: MRAFFKO Latin detail 1775 Bratislava

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  • helene cincebeaux
    Loket is a simply gorgeous fairy tale castle - i stayed at an inn under the castle and had a ghost experience. If ever you are nearby - dont miss this really
    Message 1 of 21 , Feb 27, 2013
      Loket is a simply gorgeous fairy tale castle - i stayed at an inn under the castle and had a ghost experience. If ever you are nearby - dont miss this really wonderful place

      helene

      --- On Tue, 2/26/13, Ron <amiak27@...> wrote:

      > From: Ron <amiak27@...>
      > Subject: [S-R] Re: MRAFFKO Latin detail 1775 Bratislava
      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      > Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 12:09 PM
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      > ***His wife, lady Clara, was born (maiden name)
      > Ellenbogen.***
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      > Lady Clara Elbow? Perhaps she came from Ellenbogen,
      > Bohemia, a fairy tale appearing castle town in the elbow of
      > the river. Today called Locket (elbow) between Karlovy Vary
      > (Karlsbad) and Mariansky Lazne (Marianbad), Czech Republic.
      > Not surprisingly, the town is located in an elbow of the
      > river.
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      >
      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com,
      > "CurtB" wrote:
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      > > Peter,
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      > > It says lord Mraffko is on the five member board of
      > administrators of legal chambers. His wife, lady Clara, was
      > born (maiden name)
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      > > Ellenbogen. I am unable to read the place name, though
      > it seems the priest is giving house numbers on this page.
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      > > Curt B.
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      > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com,
      > htcstech wrote:
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      > > > Curt,
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      > > > Thank you for clarifying these for me. I am
      > indebted. If you have the
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      > > > patience then I have one more.
      >
      > > > His first wife has died. He remarries and has a
      > daughter, his last child
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      > > > according to the LDS index of Slovakia.
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      > > > (2nd last entry, right side)
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      > > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-22657-6186-71?cc=1554443&wc=M99C-ZJ7:2111960010
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      > > > The description has evolved somewhat. I can pick
      > out certain words, but the
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      > > > context and phraseology eludes me.
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      > > >
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      > > > FYI: It is important to find out as much as
      > possible about him as this
      >
      > > > newly discovered branch of my ancestors sheds much
      > light on the Galanta
      >
      > > > branch. I believe that the family still exists in
      > France of which I am
      >
      > > > waiting confirmation.
      >
      > > >
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      > > > Peter M.
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      > > >
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      > > > On 26 February 2013 16:58, CurtB wrote:
      >
      > > >
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      > > > > **
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      > > > > Peter,
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      > > > > The Rex Hung under his son's name means
      > he is named Stephen after St.
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      > > > > Stephen, King of Hungary (rather than St.
      > Stephen, the first Christian
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      > > > > martyr). Excell. Dom. above his name is his
      > noble title; his excellency
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      > > > > lord Mraffko.He is working in law chambers.
      > His place is not necessarily
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      > > > > different from other times, it simply says ex
      > Citt. that is, he lives in
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      > > > > the city (of Bratislava).
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      > > > >
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      > > > >
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      > > > > Curt B.
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      > > > >
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      > > > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com,
      > htcstech wrote:
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      > > > > > In the previous listing, he was enobled,
      > but 2 years later his newborn
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      > > > > > Stephanus has 'Rex Hung."
      > added. There is also (? Dom) and the addidtion
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      > > > > of
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      > > > > > Expeditorarus.
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      > > > > >
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      > > > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-22650-11489-70?cc=1554443&wc=M99C-ZJ3:n892102475
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      > > > > > Locus is quite different as well.
      > Perhaps he moved around a lot?
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      > > > > > Peter M.
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      > > > > > On 26 February 2013 14:15, htcstech
      > wrote:
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      > > > > > > Georgius had a son Joannes. The
      > entry here is a little more specific,
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      > > > > but
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      > > > > > > almost all abbreviations.
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      > > > > > > Can you please decode this?
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      > > > > > > Also, the locus looks like
      > In-Ved-Zin
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      > > > > > >
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      > > > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-22650-8891-83?cc=1554443&wc=M99C-ZJ3:n892102475
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      > > > > > >
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      > > > > > > Thanks
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      > > > > > >
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      > > > > > > Peter M
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      > > > > > > On 26 February 2013 13:54, CurtB
      > wrote:
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      > > > > > >> **
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      > > > > > >> Peter,
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      > > > > > >> He worked for the chancery of
      > the archbishop, not the cathedral as
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      > > > > such.
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      > > > > > >> It does not say what position
      > he held within it, a minor clerk or a
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      > > > > senior
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      > > > > > >> head.
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      > > > > > >>
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      > > > > > >> Well, yes, he did come to the
      > cathedral to have the child baptized.
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      > > > > It is
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      > > > > > >> not unlikely that the cathedral
      > was his parish church now, but not
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      > > > > > >> necessarily since the register
      > lists him as coming from somewhere
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      > > > > else.
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      > > > > > >>
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      > > > > > >>
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      > > > > > >> Curt B.
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      > > > > > >> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com,
      > htcstech wrote:
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      > > > > > >> >
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      > > > > > >> > Thank you Curt and Julie!
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      > > > > > >> > Is it correct to assume
      > that he worked for the Cathedral? Or more
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      > > > > likely
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      > > > > > >> > that he came to the
      > Cathedral with his wife for the baptism?
      >
      > > > > > >> > Peter M.
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      > > > > > >> >
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      > > > > > >> > On 26 February 2013 13:25,
      > CurtB wrote:
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      > > > > > >> >
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      > > > > > >> > > **
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      > > > > > >>
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      > > > > > >> > >
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      > > > > > >> > > Peter,
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      > > > > > >> > > This is the baptismal
      > register of the cathedral church of St.
      >
      > > > > Martin
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      > > > > > >> in
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      > > > > > >> > > Bratislava..
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      > > > > > >> > >
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      > > > > > >> > > The description used
      > for him is still in use today in church
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      > > > > (canon)
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      > > > > > >> law.
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      > > > > > >> > > He belongs to, or is
      > a member of (penes), the chancery for the
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      > > > > > >> > > administration of
      > temporal goods, that is, the money, buildings,
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      > > > > > >> lands,
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      > > > > > >> > > investments, of the
      > cathedral or diocese.
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      > > > > > >> > >
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      > > > > > >> > > Since this is the
      > cathedral church people come from many different
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      > > > > > >> places.
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      > > > > > >> > > I can't read this
      > location any better than you. Julie Michutka has
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      > > > > > >> given
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      > > > > > >> > > reasonable guidance
      > here.
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      > > > > > >> > >
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      > > > > > >> > > Curt B.
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      > > > > > >> > >
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      > > > > > >> > >
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      > > > > > >> > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com,
      > htcstech wrote:
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      > > > > > >>
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      > > > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-22655-31886-28?cc=1554443&wc=M99C-ZJM:n1505507877
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      > > > > > >> > > >
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      > > > > > >> > > > Right page, last
      > entry.
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      > > > > > >> > > > I need to know
      > what "(penes?) excels camera cancellista" in
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      > > > > > >> reference to
      >
      > > > > > >> > > > the father
      > Georgius.
      >
      > > > > > >> > > > I get
      > "within the most high room (chancellery?). From
      > reading
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      > > > > the
      >
      > > > > > >> other
      >
      > > > > > >> > > > entries, I think
      > this is a job description of some kind.
      >
      > > > > > >> > > > Under Locus: I
      > read " Ex Wericz". The script is poor and I'm
      > not
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      > > > > > >> certain.
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      > > > > > >> > > > Also LDS have
      > this book under Sv.Martina (part II) as a
      >
      > > > > location.
      >
      > > > > > >> Does
      >
      > > > > > >> > > > anyone know
      > what/where that is?
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      > > > > > >> > > >
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      > > > > > >> > > > Thank you so
      > much for your help,
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      > > > > > >> > > >
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