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  • MGMojher
    From Bill’s website: So-Called Bishops Copies or Druhopisy & The National Archives of Hungary In many cases, a second copy of the church registers was
    Message 1 of 2 , Feb 16, 2013
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      From Bill’s website:

      So-Called "Bishops Copies" or "Druhopisy" & The National Archives of Hungary

      In many cases, a second copy of the church registers was made. It was often called a "Druhopisy" in ecclesiastical terminology. This second copy was mandated by the government (see Short Comment below.) The second copy was originally intended to be kept by the government. These copies are today sometimes found in a regional church administrative office or found their way into the Slovakia State Archives. This copy is not always to be found. In some cases, Certain "Bishops Copies" have been found at the National Archives of Hungary in Satoraljaujhely, Hungary. Satoraljaujhely was the administrative capital of the old (pre-1918) Hungarian county of Zemplin which extended north into today's Slovakia. [Zemplin County was somewhat unique in that it was one of the only counties divided between Hungary and Slovakia as part of the 1918 Paris Peace Treaty.] Technically, all documents related to Slovakia territories belong to Slovakia. As the country was restructured (post WWI, post-1991) these records were "supposed" to be transferred. Obviously this didn't happen. Mick Sura and Jim Nickel have visited this archive and viewed church records from Ruska Bystra, Snina, Stakcin and Zboj. There are also many census records. It appears that hiring a researcher to extract these records from the Hungary archives is a more effective mechanism than writing to the Hungary Archives.


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    • MGMojher
      I have a copy of A Guide to the Slovak Archives in the introduction is written: “...,this guide is first and foremost intended as a summary and does not
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        I have a copy of A Guide to the Slovak Archives in the introduction is written:
        “...,this guide is first and foremost intended as a summary and does not contain a complete list of all the archival fonds in the archives of the Slovak Republic. Its primary aim is to draw attention to some of the most important fonds, which are interesting from a historical and cultural point of view. I does not contain information about ecclesiastical and financial archives.... These are not listed among the public archives and access is only allowed by special permission.”

        From Frank Kurchina’s posting on Ancestry.com on 27 Feb 2002 1:23 PM GMT:
        “During 1950-1951, the Communist government of Czechoslovakia had all the parish churches send their old matriky (pre-1895 church records) to the regional State Archives for safekeeping . This was done through local national committees after the church registers were declared state property by the government.

        Some parish churches kept duplicate copies of the records. Druhopisy (i.e. second writing) was a duplicate copy known as the 'bishop's copy'. So a duplicate of the original record may have been sent elsewhere. Some years have both parish records and "bishop's copies". Other years have only "bishop's copies", others only the parish registers. That can explain why a record may not be available at the parish but still be available elsewhere. From 1828, the parish was obliged to make a copy of entries and send them to archives, so some records are preserved in duplicate.”

        From Bill Tarkulich’s posting on Ancestry.com
        Posted: 8 Feb 2005 9:58PM GMT
        Edited: 3 Jul 2006 3:37PM GM

        Let me preface my remarks by indicating that all my observations are generalizations. As such, there will ALWAYS be exceptions and variance. Keep this thought closely in mind.

        1. While parish records were mandated in the 1600s, it was not until the 1700s that Hungary got all the parish priests under their thumbs. Particularly true of the small, remote, rural villages. In Slovakia, most parish records begin in the 1700s, a few in the 1600s.

        2. In general the repatriation of records to successor nations drew the line sometime after peasant emancipation (1850s). This is true mostly for civil records (i.e., census). Most matrical records were "mostly" repatriated to the successor nations, but not always.
        Example: census records after 1850s are in Slovakia Archives, census records prior to 1850 (for lands in Slovakia) are still with Hungary Archives.
        Example: Most matrical records belonging to Slovakia are with the Slovak State Archives. However, in cases such as Zemplin (whose county was severed as a result of the Treaty of Trianon, some matrical records, especially Bishops' copies are still with Hungary regional archives.

        3. Why would the LDS copy a copy? In a nutshell, it's because not copy is ever complete. Pages missing in the original, might show up in the copy (Called a "Druhopisy"). Whatever the LDS was permitted to film, they did. If it meant filming both the orginal and the Druhopisy, they did that.

        4. Each nation has a different arrangement with the LDS. Much regional filming in Hungary was done pre-1993. Around '95 the LDS came to agreement with the newly formed nation of Slovakia for filming rights. In Slovakia, they hit the jackpot - Slovakia was extrmely generous in allowing filming.

        5. In 1952, the Czechoslovakia goverment ordered the confiscation of all pre-1895 church records and put them into the State Archives. This was coincident with beginning of church repression under Socialism. I suspect a similar event occurred in post-ww2 Hungary.

        6. For Slovakia, 1895 also represented the 100-year mark for privacy restrictions. Records after this date are deemed private, not for general public viewing. Consequentially no filming. That said, a number of matrical records, as late as the 1940s ended up in the Archives (and inadvertently filmed by the LDS, to our benefit.) These "whoops records" were generally a) villages that were completely shut down for various reasons or b) Greek Catholic church records (these churches were compeltely shuttered by the CSSR goverment, having been labeled an "enemy of the state".



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        From Bill’s website:

        So-Called "Bishops Copies" or "Druhopisy" & The National Archives of Hungary

        In many cases, a second copy of the church registers was made. It was often called a "Druhopisy" in ecclesiastical terminology. This second copy was mandated by the government (see Short Comment below.) The second copy was originally intended to be kept by the government. These copies are today sometimes found in a regional church administrative office or found their way into the Slovakia State Archives. This copy is not always to be found. In some cases, Certain "Bishops Copies" have been found at the National Archives of Hungary in Satoraljaujhely, Hungary. Satoraljaujhely was the administrative capital of the old (pre-1918) Hungarian county of Zemplin which extended north into today's Slovakia. [Zemplin County was somewhat unique in that it was one of the only counties divided between Hungary and Slovakia as part of the 1918 Paris Peace Treaty.] Technically, all documents related to Slovakia territories belong to Slovakia. As the country was restructured (post WWI, post-1991) these records were "supposed" to be transferred. Obviously this didn't happen. Mick Sura and Jim Nickel have visited this archive and viewed church records from Ruska Bystra, Snina, Stakcin and Zboj. There are also many census records. It appears that hiring a researcher to extract these records from the Hungary archives is a more effective mechanism than writing to the Hungary Archives.

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