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  • Bernardine Weigand
    Pinpointing the villages was very helpful. My ancestral village now Cierne Pole was then Feketemezo. So the only info. I currently have is from cousins in
    Message 1 of 19 , Jan 23, 2013
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      Pinpointing the villages was very helpful. My ancestral village now
      Cierne Pole was then Feketemezo. So the only info. I currently have
      is from cousins in Slovakia, and that info. doesn't go back as far as
      I need. I believe Bill Tarkulich pointed this out several years ago.
      Guess I've hit the brick wall if it depends upon gleaning any data
      from Ukraine.
      Bernardine (Deann
      ie)
      On Jan 23, 2013, at 5:35 AM, John wrote:

      > I am really glad that you pinpointed the villages. I was just going
      > along the same path on the 1910 Ung Megye map.
      >
      > That's the good news. Now comes the letdown. Access to the records
      > in Ukraine is a lost cause in my opinion. However, rooting around in
      > a group dedicated to research in Ukraine may prove me wrong.
      >
      > The relevant governemnt archive is in Uzhorod. zak_archiv@...
      > The director is (or was) Mykhailo Vasyl'ovych Delehan
      > arhiv_uzh@...
      >
      > If you ever succeed in accessing any info in the Uzhorod archive,
      > please come back and let us know how you did it. There is a list of
      > us that want some info from the 1869 Hungarian Census, Ung Megye,
      > which is thought to be in his archive.
      >
      > Good luck -- but don't hold your breath.
      >
      > **************
      >
      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, David Colello wrote:
      > >
      > > Â
      > > Thanks for the help.
      > > Â
      > > After scouring several resources, I've found it! Been searching
      > for years and finally got the breakthrough.
      > > Â
      > > The key resource was the radixhub 1913 gazeteer of Hungarian towns
      > in Ung county.
      > > Â
      > > Here are the equivalences:
      > > Â
      > > - Kis Turjassek is really Kisturjaszög (current day Turychky,
      > Ukraine), which is actually northeast of Uzhorod, not to the west.
      > > - Kuruczvar is just as it is...Kuruczvar on the Ung county map.
      > > - Liporvecz (?) is Lypovets, which was Hars on the Ung county map.
      > > Â
      > > All 3 of these villages are right next to each other and near
      > Likitsary, which matches with the "Lekizar" that my grandmother has
      > mentioned in the past.
      > > Â
      > > Anyway...now onto searching through any church records I can find.
      > > Â
      > > Thanks.
      > > David
      > >
      > >
      > > ________________________________
      > > From: MGMojher
      > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:12 PM
      > > Subject: Re: [S-R] SIP hometown translation from manifests
      > >
      > >
      > > Â
      > >
      > > http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/ung.jpg This is a map of the
      > Hungarian county of Ung. In the center you will see the city of
      > Ungvar / Uzhorod. There are colored areas, jara, districts within
      > the county. If your villages were just west (left) of Ungvar then
      > you would suspect they might be in jara Ungvar, the yellow area. I
      > donâ•˙t see any thing close to your spellings. Nor in the brown
      > and green areas. You can go further west into Zemplen County -http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/zemplen.jpg
      > >
      > > Here are the list of the places in Ung County in 1882 by districts:
      > > Ung megye
      > >
      > > Ungvári járás
      > > Székhely: Ungvár (rtv.)
      > > AndrasÓcz, AntalÓcz, Ùrok, Bacsava, Bezõ, Bozos,
      > CigányÓcz, CsászlÓcz, Csertész, DarÓcz, DenglÃ
      > ¡z, AlsÓ-Domonya, Felsõ-Domonya, DubrÓka, Gajdos,
      > Gerény, Kis-Göcz, Nagy-Göcz, Hegyfark, Putka-Helmecz,
      > Hluboka, Homok, HorlyÓ, Hosszúmezõ, Huszák, Hutta,
      > Iglincz, Jenke, Karcsava, Ã"-Kemencze, Kereknye, Ketergény, Orosz-
      > KomorÓcz, Korumlya, Köblér, Nagy-Láz, LehÓcz, Minaj,
      > AlsÓ-Németi, Felsõ-Németi, Neviczke, Orlyova,
      > PetrÓcz, PinkÓcz, Radváncz, Rahoncza, SzékÓ,
      > Szerednye, Kis-Szlatina, Nagy-Szlatina, Sztrippa, Tasolya, Valkaja,
      > Zahar
      > >
      > > Szobránci járás
      > > Székhely: Szobráncz
      > > Vinna-Banka, BaskÓcz, Benetinc, BunkÓcz, CsecsehÓ,
      > Fekésháza, Gajdos, Gézsény, Hanajna, Hliviscse, Hornya,
      > HunkÓcz, Jeszenõ, Magyar-Jesztreb, JÓzsa, Kaluzsa,
      > Kereszt, KlokocsÓ, KolibábÓcz, KÓnyus, Kuszin, Lucska,
      > Orechova, OsztrÓ, Sáros-Polyánka, PorosztÓ, Német-
      > Poruba, Èrdög-Poruba, Prékopa, Felsõ-Remete, Sáros-
      > Remete, Felsõ-Reviscse, Sáros-Reviscse, AlsÓ-Ribnyicze,
      > Felsõ-Ribnyicze, RuszkÓcz, Solymos, Szentes, KomorÓcz-
      > Szobráncz, Sztrajnyán, Tarna, Tiba, Ubrezs, Vajnatina, VÃ
      > ¡ralja, Remetei-Vasgyár, VerbÓcz, Kis-Zalacska, Nagy-
      > Zalacska, Zavatka
      > >
      > > Kaposi járás
      > > Székhely: Nagy-Kapos
      > > Ùsvány, Bajánháza, Bátfa, Bés, Botfalva, BudahÃ
      > ¡za, Csap, Csepely, Csicser, Darna, DobÓ-Ruszka, Feketemezõ,
      > Gálocs, Györöcske, Iske, Kis-Kapos, Kelecseny, Kerész,
      > Konczháza, Kráska, Lakárt, MátyÓcz, Mocsár,
      > MogyorÓs, Mokcsa, Nyarád, Ãr, Palágy, KomorÓcz-PalÃ
      > ¡gy, PallÓ, PálÓcz, Pályin, Ptruksa, Kis-Rát, Nagy-
      > Rát, Rebrin, Salamon, Kis-Selmenc, Nagy-Selmenc, SislÓcz,
      > Szenna, Kis-Szeretva, Nagy-Szeretva, SzÃπrte, TarnÓc, Tegenye,
      > Téglás, Vajács, VajkÓc, VeskÓc, Viszoka, Záhony
      > >
      > > Bereznai járás
      > > Székhely: Nagy-Berezna
      > > Kis-Berezna, Turia-Bisztra, Verchovina-Bisztra, BukÓcz,
      > Csornoholova, Domasina, Dubrinics, Huszna, Uj-Kemence, Knyahina,
      > Kosztrina, LipÓcz, Lubnya, Luh, Lyutta, Mircse, Orosz-Mocsár,
      > Mokra, Paszika, Perecsen, Begedgyát-Pásztély, Kis-PÃ
      > ¡sztély, Kosztyova-Pásztély, Rosztoka-Pásztély, Hutta-
      > Polena, Turia-Polena, PoroskÓ, RákÓ, Turia-Remete, Ã"-
      > Szemere, Ã˚j-Szemete, Szmerekova, Szolya, Sztavna, Sztricsava, Ã"-
      > Sztuzsica, Ã˚j-Sztuzsica, Szucha, Ticho, Kis-Turica, Nagy-Turica,
      > Uzsok, Viska, Voloszánka, VorocsÓ, Vulsinka, Zábrogy, ZÃ
      > ¡horb, Zauszina, ZaricsÓ
      > >
      > > From: David Colello
      > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:16 PM
      > > To: mailto:slovak-roots%40yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: [S-R] SIP hometown translation from manifests
      > >
      > > Hello all-
      > > I'm attempting to figure out the hometown of my great-grandmother,
      > Maria Sip. From the info I have from my grandmother, she most likely
      > came from far eastern present-day Slovakia just west of Uzhorod.
      > >
      > > I've uploaded a file to the groups page called sip_hometowns.pdf.
      > It can be accessed through this short link: http://bit.ly/TizGkP
      > >
      > > The file contains snippets of several ships manifests and lists
      > towns that seem to sound like:
      > >
      > > Town #1: Kis Turjassek, Kisterjascek
      > > Town #2: Kuruczvar
      > > Town #3: Liporvecz (?)
      > >
      > > Any help at all with the correct references would be most
      > appreciated.
      > >
      > > Thanks.
      > > David Colello
      > >
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      > >
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      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
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      > >
      >
      >



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    • Bernardine Weigand
      Yes, I too Vilo, have learned much from your contributions to S-R. It seems most everyone knows much more than I! Thank you for helping us all. Deanie ...
      Message 2 of 19 , Jan 23, 2013
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        Yes, I too Vilo, have learned much from your contributions to S-R. It
        seems most everyone knows much more than I! Thank you for helping us
        all.
        Deanie
        On Jan 23, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Carol wrote:

        > I am very sorry to hear that you are leaving. I have been unable to
        > work much on my own genealogy due to family and friends' major
        > illnesses which have taken most of my time, but I do read over maost
        > of the in-coming messages and have enjoyed your wealth of knowledge
        > and input. Perhaps you'll reconsider at some point? I would like
        > that you would be there when I am able to return to my quest.
        > Thanks for your information and points of view. Carol
        >
        > --- On Wed, 1/23/13, William C. Wormuth senzus@...> wrote:
        >
        > From: William C. Wormuth senzus@...>
        > Subject: Re: [S-R] SIP hometown translation from manifests
        > To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
        > Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 10:55 AM
        >
        >
        > I am leaving this group. I hope I have been of help but lately my
        > efforts and the time I have spent have been ignored and I will no
        > longer take the time as I also work on aiding others with their
        > researches.
        > If anyone has any specific questions you may contact me on senzus@...
        > .
        >
        > S Panem Bohem,
        >
        > Vilo
        > ________________________________
        >
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        >
        >



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      • takukuk
        Bill, I hope you don t leave, the group would lose a great resource. I know how you feel, there s so much going on it seems like no one is listening. I
        Message 3 of 19 , Jan 24, 2013
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          Bill, I hope you don't leave, the group would lose a great resource. I
          know how you feel, there's so much going on it seems like no one is
          listening. I learn something from each posting, but don't respond unless I have
          something truly good to contribute in an attempt to keep the "noise" down.
          Tom Kukuk


          In a message dated 1/23/2013 5:22:53 P.M. Central Standard Time,
          deanniew@... writes:

          Yes, I too Vilo, have learned much from your contributions to S-R. It
          seems most everyone knows much more than I! Thank you for helping us
          all.
          Deanie
          On Jan 23, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Carol wrote:

          > I am very sorry to hear that you are leaving. I have been unable to
          > work much on my own genealogy due to family and friends' major
          > illnesses which have taken most of my time, but I do read over maost
          > of the in-coming messages and have enjoyed your wealth of knowledge
          > and input. Perhaps you'll reconsider at some point? I would like
          > that you would be there when I am able to return to my quest.
          > Thanks for your information and points of view. Carol
          >
          > --- On Wed, 1/23/13, William C. Wormuth senzus@...> wrote:
          >
          > From: William C. Wormuth senzus@...>
          > Subject: Re: [S-R] SIP hometown translation from manifests
          > To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
          > Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 10:55 AM
          >
          >
          > I am leaving this group. I hope I have been of help but lately my
          > efforts and the time I have spent have been ignored and I will no
          > longer take the time as I also work on aiding others with their
          > researches.
          > If anyone has any specific questions you may contact me on
          senzus@...
          > .
          >
          > S Panem Bohem,
          >
          > Vilo
          > ________________________________
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
          >



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        • martha.andras
          Hi! I noticed that someone posted a website for the town of Jarovnice (www.jarovnice.ocu.sk). I am wondering if anyone knows if there are websites for the
          Message 4 of 19 , Jan 26, 2013
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            Hi!

            I noticed that someone posted a website for the town of Jarovnice
            (www.jarovnice.ocu.sk). I am wondering if anyone knows if there are websites for the towns of Lozin, Duplin and Rakocz? That is where my ancestors are from. I've searched the internet many times but haven't found anything.

            Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

            Martha Andras
          • htcstech
            Hello Martha, Your best bet is to look at this site, select the letter the village/town name begins with and look through the list as there can be a number of
            Message 5 of 19 , Jan 26, 2013
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              Hello Martha,

              Your best bet is to look at this site, select the letter the village/town
              name begins with and look through the list as there can be a number of
              villages with the same name in different counties:

              http://www.cisarik.com/0_all-villages-A.html

              Once you are sure that it's the right place, then google/bing search it.
              Some villages are so small that there may not be a website devoted to it.
              Duplin I think is one of these.
              Lozin: http://www.obeclozin.sk/-home
              Rakovčík: http://www.saris.eu.sk/rakovcik/en

              Sometimes Wikipedia has a link to the home town page as well - or some of
              the accomodation directories.

              Peter M.


              On 27 January 2013 09:23, martha.andras <mandras@...> wrote:

              > **
              >
              >
              >
              > Hi!
              >
              > I noticed that someone posted a website for the town of Jarovnice
              > (www.jarovnice.ocu.sk). I am wondering if anyone knows if there are
              > websites for the towns of Lozin, Duplin and Rakocz? That is where my
              > ancestors are from. I've searched the internet many times but haven't found
              > anything.
              >
              > Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
              >
              > Martha Andras
              >
              >
              >


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            • davidsadventure4
              Dear Martha: I believe that the village of DUPLIN in the Presov region of Slovakia was called Bányavölgy in Hungarian. The Hungarian name means Valley of
              Message 6 of 19 , Jan 26, 2013
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                Dear Martha:

                I believe that the village of DUPLIN in the Presov region of Slovakia was
                called Bányavölgy in Hungarian. The Hungarian name means "Valley of the
                Mine". Here is a link to the Wikipedia page in Hungarian:

                _http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A1nyav%C3%B6lgy_
                (http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%c3%a1nyav%c3%b6lgy)

                If you use Google.com to get to the Wikipedia page, Google should be able
                to translate it automatically. Otherwise, you can use Google translate to
                do the same. I have done a lot of historical research on a number of
                villages in the territory of present-day Slovakia. For whatever reason, when I
                cannot locate the village websites, etc. under the Slovak name, I often find
                success locating information about the village under its Hungarian name.

                With regard to the village of LOZIN in Slovakia, you may need to do your
                searching with the diacritical marks in its name -- _Ložín_
                (https://maps.google.com/maps/place?ftid=0x47392b89ded85bdd:0x400f7d1c6974d80&q=lozin&hl=en&ve
                d=0CA0Q-gswAA&sa=X&ei=zJ4EUbKbJeaEwQG2_IHIBQ&sig2=7SrTRRhwIS94iNPaPG9dig) .
                Here is a link to the page for LOZIN in Wikipedia:

                _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo%C5%BE%C3%ADn_
                (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo%c5%be%c3%adn)

                In regard to the name RAKOCZ, it appears to be a somewhat common name, so
                you need to take care to make sure that you have the correct village.
                There is one village which was called RAKOCZ in Hungarian that is known under
                the present name RAKOVCIK in the SARIS region of Slovakia. It is immediate
                adjacent to and west of to the village of DUPLIN. When searching for this
                village online, you may need to use the name with it diacritical marks:
                _Rakovčík_
                (https://maps.google.com/maps/place?ftid=0x473e9e96e6c58bb9:0xf047b08722b5dc3d&q=rakovcik+slovakia&hl=en&ved=0CA0Q-gswAA&sa=X&ei=MKIEUcCPJqfywQHFp
                YDwDg&sig2=9u1ghMNNSt-KQnoXgH7APg)

                Here is a link to the Wikipedia page for RAKOVCIK:

                _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakov%C4%8D%C3%ADk_
                (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakov%c4%8d%c3%adk)

                Here is also a link to the village website:

                _http://www.saris.eu.sk/rakovcik/_ (http://www.saris.eu.sk/rakovcik/)

                Please be careful, however, because there is also another village, which
                was known as RAKOCZ in Hungarian, and which is present known as RAKOVEC NAD
                ONDAVOU (which is about 3 villages north of LUZIN). Here is a link to the
                Wikipedia page:

                _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakovec_nad_Ondavou_
                (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakovec_nad_Ondavou)

                Here is the link to the village website in Slovakia:

                _http://www.rakovecnadondavou.ocu.sk/_
                (http://www.rakovecnadondavou.ocu.sk/)

                With regard to the village of RAKOCZ, you may have a bit of a puzzle on
                your hands, and may need to research the records of both places. Please be
                very careful because sometimes certain surnames may appear in several places,
                and you want to be careful not to go on any wild goose chase. Sometimes,
                the genealogical puzzles can be fun; other times, they can be frustrating.
                I hope that this helps a little.


                Best regards,

                David


                In a message dated 1/26/2013 5:23:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
                mandras@... writes:





                Hi!

                I noticed that someone posted a website for the town of Jarovnice
                (www.jarovnice.ocu.sk). I am wondering if anyone knows if there are
                websites for the towns of Lozin, Duplin and Rakocz? That is where my ancestors
                are from. I've searched the internet many times but haven't found anything.

                Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

                Martha Andras







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              • martha.andras
                Hi Peter & David, Yes - Duplin & Rakovcik are both in Saris. I have been working on my family tree for a long time and I do have my ancestors documented in
                Message 7 of 19 , Jan 26, 2013
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                  Hi Peter & David,

                  Yes - Duplin & Rakovcik are both in Saris. I have been working on my family tree for a long time and I do have my ancestors documented in both towns as well as my husband's ancestors in Lozin (Zemplin County). In case there are any new comers the names I am researching are PUNDCZAK (Duplin), KUNDRAT (Rakovcik) and ANDRAS or ANDRASOV (Lozin or Suche).

                  Thank you for the suggestions regarding town websites. I will report back what I find! This group has been very helpful to me in the past and I do read every post!

                  Martha

                  --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, david1law@... wrote:
                  >
                  > Dear Martha:
                  >
                  > I believe that the village of DUPLIN in the Presov region of Slovakia was
                  > called Bányavölgy in Hungarian. The Hungarian name means "Valley of the
                  > Mine". Here is a link to the Wikipedia page in Hungarian:
                  >
                  > _http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A1nyav%C3%B6lgy_
                  > (http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%c3%83%c2%a1nyav%c3%83%c2%b6lgy)
                  >
                  > If you use Google.com to get to the Wikipedia page, Google should be able
                  > to translate it automatically. Otherwise, you can use Google translate to
                  > do the same. I have done a lot of historical research on a number of
                  > villages in the territory of present-day Slovakia. For whatever reason, when I
                  > cannot locate the village websites, etc. under the Slovak name, I often find
                  > success locating information about the village under its Hungarian name.
                  >
                  > With regard to the village of LOZIN in Slovakia, you may need to do your
                  > searching with the diacritical marks in its name -- _Ložín_
                  > (https://maps.google.com/maps/place?ftid=0x47392b89ded85bdd:0x400f7d1c6974d80&q=lozin&hl=en&ve
                  > d=0CA0Q-gswAA&sa=X&ei=zJ4EUbKbJeaEwQG2_IHIBQ&sig2=7SrTRRhwIS94iNPaPG9dig) .
                  > Here is a link to the page for LOZIN in Wikipedia:
                  >
                  > _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo%C5%BE%C3%ADn_
                  > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo%c3%85%c2%be%c3%83%c2%adn)
                  >
                  > In regard to the name RAKOCZ, it appears to be a somewhat common name, so
                  > you need to take care to make sure that you have the correct village.
                  > There is one village which was called RAKOCZ in Hungarian that is known under
                  > the present name RAKOVCIK in the SARIS region of Slovakia. It is immediate
                  > adjacent to and west of to the village of DUPLIN. When searching for this
                  > village online, you may need to use the name with it diacritical marks:
                  > _Rakovčík_
                  > (https://maps.google.com/maps/place?ftid=0x473e9e96e6c58bb9:0xf047b08722b5dc3d&q=rakovcik+slovakia&hl=en&ved=0CA0Q-gswAA&sa=X&ei=MKIEUcCPJqfywQHFp
                  > YDwDg&sig2=9u1ghMNNSt-KQnoXgH7APg)
                  >
                  > Here is a link to the Wikipedia page for RAKOVCIK:
                  >
                  > _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakov%C4%8D%C3%ADk_
                  > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakov%c3%84%c2%8d%c3%83%c2%adk)
                  >
                  > Here is also a link to the village website:
                  >
                  > _http://www.saris.eu.sk/rakovcik/_ (http://www.saris.eu.sk/rakovcik/)
                  >
                  > Please be careful, however, because there is also another village, which
                  > was known as RAKOCZ in Hungarian, and which is present known as RAKOVEC NAD
                  > ONDAVOU (which is about 3 villages north of LUZIN). Here is a link to the
                  > Wikipedia page:
                  >
                  > _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakovec_nad_Ondavou_
                  > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakovec_nad_Ondavou)
                  >
                  > Here is the link to the village website in Slovakia:
                  >
                  > _http://www.rakovecnadondavou.ocu.sk/_
                  > (http://www.rakovecnadondavou.ocu.sk/)
                  >
                  > With regard to the village of RAKOCZ, you may have a bit of a puzzle on
                  > your hands, and may need to research the records of both places. Please be
                  > very careful because sometimes certain surnames may appear in several places,
                  > and you want to be careful not to go on any wild goose chase. Sometimes,
                  > the genealogical puzzles can be fun; other times, they can be frustrating.
                  > I hope that this helps a little.
                  >
                  >
                  > Best regards,
                  >
                  > David
                  >
                  >
                  > In a message dated 1/26/2013 5:23:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
                  > mandras@... writes:
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Hi!
                  >
                  > I noticed that someone posted a website for the town of Jarovnice
                  > (www.jarovnice.ocu.sk). I am wondering if anyone knows if there are
                  > websites for the towns of Lozin, Duplin and Rakocz? That is where my ancestors
                  > are from. I've searched the internet many times but haven't found anything.
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                  > Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
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                  > Martha Andras
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