Again, thanks for the reply. Apologize for not providing more complete information.
Yes, Film 1791929 for Zehra is the one I'm referring to. It is listed as:
Cirkevná matrika, 1646-1948 / Rímsko-katolícka cirkev. Farský úrad ehra (Spiská Nová Ves). Items 6-7. Specifically it is a Baptism record for Anna on 17 December 1813. Parents are Mathias Czmorej and Maria (followed by the word I am trying to figure out)
and place of baptism is Grancs.
In the same film, 28 April 1816 there is another Baptism record for Helena to Mathias and wife Maria followed by the words causing me problems.
The main translation issue however is on Film 1791915 which is listed as:
Cirkevná matrika, 1646-1948 / Rímsko-katolícka cirkev. Farský úrad ehra (Spiská Nová Ves)
It is a baptism record for Susanna (deceased, as it has a cross above her name). The date is 4 September 1831.
As to whether the films are on line or not - I just can't figure that out from using the LDS web site. I have searched back and forth quite a bit but no matter what I try, I cannot come up with those numbers listed under either Zehra or Spisska Nova Ves.
Appreciate your patience and direction.
--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "CurtB" <curt67boc@...> wrote:
> The LDS catalog says that film 1791929 covering Zehra, etc. is online. Is this the film you reference?? If so, give us image citations. See the LDS catalog. But they also give the same number for a different film as well. Or are you referring to some other film? Just give us an actual COMPLETE film citation, rather than your interpretation and maybe someone can help. Is your film online or not?? THe answer is either yes, or no, or I don't know.
> Curt B.
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "William" <wsmorey@> wrote:
> > Many thanks to you and others for the comments. To answer - both samples are from the LDS Church Film record number 1791929 for Grancs-Petrovce in Spis. The film also covers Dubrava, Zehra, Beharovce and Olsavka. They are birth records for children of Mathias and Maria, one on April 28, 1816 and the other on Sept 4, 1831. Including the marriage record in Sep/Oct 1809 there are 12 records in all. There are actually 3 entries each with a variation:
> > 17 Dec 1813 - after Maria it looks like "Kacmar"
> > 21 April 1816 - after Maria it looks like "glesebo Kac(s)ma"
> > 4 Sept 1831 - after Maria: "Sz.axi Krcma"
> > Except for those entries her last name of Janossy is used consistently and is quite clear. Other entries, as noted, have religion and status such as Roman Catholic and Pleb. I am familiar with those.
> > Using my Mac I scanned and copied those two entries but perhaps there is a better way. I'll work on it.
> > Also, all 12 records seem to be written by a different hand and I have looked through all of them for similar entries and do not see them.
> > Bill
> > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "CurtB" <curt67boc@> wrote:
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> > > Bill,
> > > The writing UNDER the name is an abbreviation of her religion and status in the first instance. That is, Roman Catholic and Pleb. or commoner and not nobility.
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> > > In you second example it just gives the religion, abbreviated - Roman Catholic.
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> > > It seems pretty clear that the writer thinks she has an alias or second name of Krcma. Or at least he is supplying it to prevent confusion with some other person. While many names have distant meanings that come from professions, places, etc., there is no reason to believe that the refers to a profession.
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> > > When asking your kind of question it would be helpful if you told us beforehand what kind of register this is; baptismal?? and the year and place. If the text is online, by all means give the citation so others can read a full text and examine handwriting and column headings etc. By not supplying this information you make answering much more difficult.
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> > > Curt B.
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> > > Curt B.-
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> > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "William" <wsmorey@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just uploaded two files labeled Maria Czmorej Scan 2 and Scan 3. I have struggled with interpreting the writing under her name for some time to no avail. I have the marriage record and other church records which show her maiden name as Janossy. In both files it looks like the second word is something like "krcma" but the first word is different in each file. Any help appreciated. Bill
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