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  • MGMojher
    Bob, Falva in Hungarian translates to “villlages”. Lukacs had not translations. This is a village of Lucka in the area. From: Robert Pollak Sent: Monday,
    Message 1 of 12 , Oct 8, 2012
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      Bob,
      Falva in Hungarian translates to “villlages”. Lukacs had not translations. This is a village of Lucka in the area.

      From: Robert Pollak
      Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 4:30 PM
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [S-R] Need Help


      I found a death Record of a relative in the Krasnohorske Podhradie area. His place of birth was listed as LukacsFalva. I cannot find any reference to this village. I searched on-line under Roznava, Krasnohorske Podhradie, the records dating back from 1895 and the person in question is line 52 on frame 588 of 632 .

      Any help on this will be appreciated.

      Bob Pollak

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    • William C. Wormuth
      Bob, It s a mystery! The closest I can see is Lukac~ovce and there are two.  One Okres Humenne and the other in the west, Okres Hlohovec and a Lukac~ near the
      Message 2 of 12 , Oct 8, 2012
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        Bob,

        It's a mystery! The closest I can see is Lukac~ovce and there are two.  One Okres Humenne and the other in the west, Okres Hlohovec and a Lukac~ near the Moravian Border under the Highest Peak of the Bile Karpaty, Javorina.

        The Hungarian word, Falva means village.

        Sorry I can't help more.

        Z Bohom,

        Vilo



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        From: Robert Pollak <rjp4053@...>
        To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 7:30 PM
        Subject: [S-R] Need Help


         
        I found a death Record of a relative in the Krasnohorske Podhradie area.    His place of birth was listed as LukacsFalva.  I cannot find any reference to this village.  I searched on-line under Roznava, Krasnohorske Podhradie, the records dating back from 1895 and the person in question is line 52 on frame 588 of 632 .

        Any help on this will be appreciated.

        Bob Pollak

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      • William C. Wormuth
        I also noticed Luc~ka, (which means meadow). I believe Lukac~ [Luh-kahch] is derivative of Luke.  Since there is no connection of the words, I didn t consider
        Message 3 of 12 , Oct 8, 2012
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          I also noticed Luc~ka, (which means meadow). I believe Lukac~ [Luh-kahch] is derivative of Luke.  Since there is no connection of the words, I didn't consider Lucka.
          Since most of Bob's family are in the East, I think the closest is Lukacovce, Okres Humenne. 

          Hope you are right but then, people also traveled around in those days.

          Z Bohom,

          Vilo




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          From: MGMojher <mgmojher@...>
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 7:39 PM
          Subject: Re: [S-R] Need Help


           
          Bob,
          Falva in Hungarian translates to “villlages”. Lukacs had not translations. This is a village of Lucka in the area.

          From: Robert Pollak
          Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 4:30 PM
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [S-R] Need Help

          I found a death Record of a relative in the Krasnohorske Podhradie area. His place of birth was listed as LukacsFalva. I cannot find any reference to this village. I searched on-line under Roznava, Krasnohorske Podhradie, the records dating back from 1895 and the person in question is line 52 on frame 588 of 632 .

          Any help on this will be appreciated.

          Bob Pollak

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        • CurtB
          Bob, The village included in that register is present day Krasnohorska Dlha Luka. Curt B.
          Message 4 of 12 , Oct 8, 2012
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            Bob,
            The village included in that register is present day Krasnohorska Dlha Luka.

            Curt B.

            --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Robert Pollak <rjp4053@...> wrote:
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            > I found a death Record of a relative in the Krasnohorske Podhradie area.    His place of birth was listed as LukacsFalva.  I cannot find any reference to this village.  I searched on-line under Roznava, Krasnohorske Podhradie, the records dating back from 1895 and the person in question is line 52 on frame 588 of 632 .
            >
            > Any help on this will be appreciated.
            >
            > Bob Pollak
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          • William C. Wormuth
            Bob, Should have asked for the name.  Please forward the name . Z Bohom, Vilo ________________________________ From: William C. Wormuth To:
            Message 5 of 12 , Oct 8, 2012
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              Bob,

              Should have asked for the name.  Please forward the name .

              Z Bohom,

              Vilo




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              From: William C. Wormuth <senzus@...>
              To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 8:19 PM
              Subject: Re: [S-R] Need Help


              Bob,

              It's a mystery! The closest I can see is Lukac~ovce and there are two.  One Okres Humenne and the other in the west, Okres Hlohovec and a Lukac~ near the Moravian Border under the Highest Peak of the Bile Karpaty, Javorina.

              The Hungarian word, Falva means village.

              Sorry I can't help more.

              Z Bohom,

              Vilo



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              From: Robert Pollak <rjp4053@...>
              To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 7:30 PM
              Subject: [S-R] Need Help


               
              I found a death Record of a relative in the Krasnohorske Podhradie area.    His place of birth was listed as LukacsFalva.  I cannot find any reference to this village.  I searched on-line under Roznava, Krasnohorske Podhradie, the records dating back from 1895 and the person in question is line 52 on frame 588 of 632 .

              Any help on this will be appreciated.

              Bob Pollak

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            • John
              ... Here s another application of The Adam Theorem , or The Two Village Rule , not referenced by anyone in recent times. Refer to the Gomor Megye 1910 map at
              Message 6 of 12 , Oct 9, 2012
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                >>> I found a death Record of a relative in the Krasnohorske Podhradie area. His place of birth was listed as LukacsFalva. <<<

                Here's another application of "The Adam Theorem", or "The Two Village Rule", not referenced by anyone in recent times.

                Refer to the Gomor Megye 1910 map at http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/gomork.jpg

                Look three villages southeast of Krasnohorske Podhradie to find Lucska. OK, so the theorem is not perfect. The village is mapped today as Lucka. The village mentioned in another reply that is now shown as Krasnahorska Dlha Luka (one village south) was then mapped as Varhosszuret.

                Take your pick.
              • CurtB
                JohnQ, You are right that the Hungarian name for the village was Varhosszuret, or some variation thereof. So that is what you will find on any Hungarian map.
                Message 7 of 12 , Oct 9, 2012
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                  JohnQ,

                  You are right that the Hungarian name for the village was Varhosszuret, or some variation thereof. So that is what you will find on any Hungarian map. But be sure to also look in the indexes of the Hungarian Gazeteers of the ninteenth century which also list the other names in contemporary use; Langewiese as the German name, and Dluha Luka as the Slovak usage. Hungarians created these indexes because they were just as confused as we are by the variant names.

                  Curt B.


                  --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "John" <johnqadam@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > >>> I found a death Record of a relative in the Krasnohorske Podhradie area. His place of birth was listed as LukacsFalva. <<<
                  >
                  > Here's another application of "The Adam Theorem", or "The Two Village Rule", not referenced by anyone in recent times.
                  >
                  > Refer to the Gomor Megye 1910 map at http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/gomork.jpg
                  >
                  > Look three villages southeast of Krasnohorske Podhradie to find Lucska. OK, so the theorem is not perfect. The village is mapped today as Lucka. The village mentioned in another reply that is now shown as Krasnahorska Dlha Luka (one village south) was then mapped as Varhosszuret.
                  >
                  > Take your pick.
                  >
                • Robert Pollak
                  The name I found is Mihaly  Vittek.  Thanks to all that responded.   Because the family lived in the area of Krasnohorske Podhradie, I lean toward Lucka an
                  Message 8 of 12 , Oct 9, 2012
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                    The name I found is Mihaly  Vittek.  Thanks to all that responded.   Because the family lived in the area of Krasnohorske Podhradie, I lean toward Lucka an Krasnohorske Dlha Luka a the most likely possibilities.  Actually I was in both towns last March.  I passed though Lucka on my way to Borka and I was in Krasnohoske Dlha Luka looking for an Ice Cave.  Never found it!

                    Thanks again for the suggestions\,
                    Bob Pollak



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                    From: William C. Wormuth <senzus@...>
                    To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 9:34 PM
                    Subject: Re: [S-R] Need Help


                     
                    Bob,

                    Should have asked for the name.  Please forward the name .

                    Z Bohom,

                    Vilo

                    ________________________________
                    From: William C. Wormuth <senzus@...>
                    To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 8:19 PM
                    Subject: Re: [S-R] Need Help


                    Bob,

                    It's a mystery! The closest I can see is Lukac~ovce and there are two.  One Okres Humenne and the other in the west, Okres Hlohovec and a Lukac~ near the Moravian Border under the Highest Peak of the Bile Karpaty, Javorina.

                    The Hungarian word, Falva means village.

                    Sorry I can't help more.

                    Z Bohom,

                    Vilo

                    ________________________________
                    From: Robert Pollak <rjp4053@...>
                    To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 7:30 PM
                    Subject: [S-R] Need Help


                     
                    I found a death Record of a relative in the Krasnohorske Podhradie area.    His place of birth was listed as LukacsFalva.  I cannot find any reference to this village.  I searched on-line under Roznava, Krasnohorske Podhradie, the records dating back from 1895 and the person in question is line 52 on frame 588 of 632 .

                    Any help on this will be appreciated.

                    Bob Pollak

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                  • John
                    ... If you were looking for Dobšinská Ice Cave, you were on the wrong map page! Interesting spot. Helluva climb to the entrance for us corpulent old guys.
                    Message 9 of 12 , Oct 9, 2012
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                      >>> I passed though Lucka on my way to Borka and I was in Krasnohoske Dlha Luka looking for an Ice Cave.  Never found it! <<<

                      If you were looking for Dobšinská Ice Cave, you were on the wrong map page! Interesting spot. Helluva climb to the entrance for us corpulent old guys.
                    • MGMojher
                      Bob, The Dobsinska Ice cave doesn’t open until June. So even if you found it you would not have gotten into it in March. From: Robert Pollak Sent: Tuesday,
                      Message 10 of 12 , Oct 9, 2012
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                        Bob,
                        The Dobsinska Ice cave doesn’t open until June. So even if you found it you would not have gotten into it in March.

                        From: Robert Pollak
                        Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:46 AM
                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [S-R] Need Help


                        The name I found is Mihaly Vittek. Thanks to all that responded. Because the family lived in the area of Krasnohorske Podhradie, I lean toward Lucka an Krasnohorske Dlha Luka a the most likely possibilities. Actually I was in both towns last March. I passed though Lucka on my way to Borka and I was in Krasnohoske Dlha Luka looking for an Ice Cave. Never found it!

                        Thanks again for the suggestions\,
                        Bob Pollak

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                        From: William C. Wormuth <mailto:senzus%40ymail.com>
                        To: "mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 9:34 PM
                        Subject: Re: [S-R] Need Help



                        Bob,

                        Should have asked for the name. Please forward the name .

                        Z Bohom,

                        Vilo

                        ________________________________
                        From: William C. Wormuth <mailto:senzus%40ymail.com>
                        To: "mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 8:19 PM
                        Subject: Re: [S-R] Need Help

                        Bob,

                        It's a mystery! The closest I can see is Lukac~ovce and there are two. One Okres Humenne and the other in the west, Okres Hlohovec and a Lukac~ near the Moravian Border under the Highest Peak of the Bile Karpaty, Javorina.

                        The Hungarian word, Falva means village.

                        Sorry I can't help more.

                        Z Bohom,

                        Vilo

                        ________________________________
                        From: Robert Pollak <mailto:rjp4053%40yahoo.com>
                        To: "mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 7:30 PM
                        Subject: [S-R] Need Help


                        I found a death Record of a relative in the Krasnohorske Podhradie area. His place of birth was listed as LukacsFalva. I cannot find any reference to this village. I searched on-line under Roznava, Krasnohorske Podhradie, the records dating back from 1895 and the person in question is line 52 on frame 588 of 632 .

                        Any help on this will be appreciated.

                        Bob Pollak

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                      • Robert Pollak
                        I was staying in Krasnohorske Podhradie and my cousin that lives in Lipovnik told me about a small cave a few km south of them in either Krasnohorske Dlha Luka
                        Message 11 of 12 , Oct 9, 2012
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                          I was staying in Krasnohorske Podhradie and my cousin that lives in Lipovnik told me about a small cave a few km south of them in either Krasnohorske Dlha Luka or in Jovice..   I never found it.  Maybe next time.



                          Bob



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                          From: MGMojher <mgmojher@...>
                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:09 PM
                          Subject: Re: [S-R] Need Help


                           
                          Bob,
                          The Dobsinska Ice cave doesn’t open until June. So even if you found it you would not have gotten into it in March.

                          From: Robert Pollak
                          Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:46 AM
                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [S-R] Need Help

                          The name I found is Mihaly Vittek. Thanks to all that responded. Because the family lived in the area of Krasnohorske Podhradie, I lean toward Lucka an Krasnohorske Dlha Luka a the most likely possibilities. Actually I was in both towns last March. I passed though Lucka on my way to Borka and I was in Krasnohoske Dlha Luka looking for an Ice Cave. Never found it!

                          Thanks again for the suggestions\,
                          Bob Pollak

                          ________________________________
                          From: William C. Wormuth <mailto:senzus%40ymail.com>
                          To: "mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 9:34 PM
                          Subject: Re: [S-R] Need Help

                          Bob,

                          Should have asked for the name. Please forward the name .

                          Z Bohom,

                          Vilo

                          ________________________________
                          From: William C. Wormuth <mailto:senzus%40ymail.com>
                          To: "mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 8:19 PM
                          Subject: Re: [S-R] Need Help

                          Bob,

                          It's a mystery! The closest I can see is Lukac~ovce and there are two. One Okres Humenne and the other in the west, Okres Hlohovec and a Lukac~ near the Moravian Border under the Highest Peak of the Bile Karpaty, Javorina.

                          The Hungarian word, Falva means village.

                          Sorry I can't help more.

                          Z Bohom,

                          Vilo

                          ________________________________
                          From: Robert Pollak <mailto:rjp4053%40yahoo.com>
                          To: "mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 7:30 PM
                          Subject: [S-R] Need Help

                          I found a death Record of a relative in the Krasnohorske Podhradie area. His place of birth was listed as LukacsFalva. I cannot find any reference to this village. I searched on-line under Roznava, Krasnohorske Podhradie, the records dating back from 1895 and the person in question is line 52 on frame 588 of 632 .

                          Any help on this will be appreciated.

                          Bob Pollak

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