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  • Jane Murray
    Okay... I started this.  I probably spelled Domicella Maria Kesmarszky incorrect listed on my Great,great, great Grandfather s and his siblings birth
    Message 1 of 13 , Apr 26, 2012
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      Okay... I started this.  I probably spelled Domicella Maria "Kesmarszky" incorrect listed on my Great,great, great Grandfather's and his siblings birth records.  As I originally stated I am not an expert on the fancy penmanship written.  I mistook a "J" for a "F".  I have corrected my records to "Kesmarszky" not Kesmanszky.  If indeed she is the decendent of Georg Kesmarszky who was ennobled in 1649 how does one find out what relationship she would have to my ancestor Joannes Szabo?  I will ask this again, is it prudent for me to write to the local town government office in Torysa to research records of Domicella Maria Kesmarszky & Joannes Szabo.  I found the following address online: 

      Municipal Office Torysa
      Torysa 28
      082 76 Torysa

      Is that enough of an address, seems incomplete?  Based on your expert knowledge of the government and history who do I address the correspondence to?  What will they need to do the research, should I include copies of the baptismal records?  Generally what is the fee for them to find newspaper articles or civil records?  

      I appreciate any comments or guidance.  I did google "Georg Kesmarszky", one suggestion was ancestry.com (I do not have a subscription)  I will try Family search.org.

      Jane


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    • John
      ... Is that enough of an address, seems incomplete?  Based on your expert knowledge of the government and history who do I address the correspondence to?
      Message 2 of 13 , Apr 26, 2012
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        >>> Municipal Office Torysa
        > Torysa 28
        > 082 76 Torysa

        Is that enough of an address, seems incomplete?  Based on your expert knowledge of the government and history who do I address the correspondence to?  What will they need to do the research, should I include copies of the baptismal records?  Generally what is the fee for them to find newspaper articles or civil records?  <<<


        I doubt that the municipal office is prepared to do ANY genealogy research . . . unless it refers births/deaths/marriages after 1895.
      • htcstech
        Ancestry dot com is pointless for Central European records. I ve pasted the following. Don t know how they ll appear - probably jumbled up. There are 9
        Message 3 of 13 , Apr 26, 2012
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          Ancestry dot com is pointless for Central European records.
          I've pasted the following. Don't know how they'll appear - probably jumbled
          up.

          There are 9 Kesmarszky in the passenger's list 1910, but you probably
          already know this.

          View Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=0&h=4005592817&recoff=9>
          Janos
          Kesmarszky 5 Jun 1900 abt 1854 Bremen Konigin Luise
          <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0016&rdb=nypl&fn=Janos&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4005592817>
          View
          Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=1&h=4030425697&recoff=9>
          Janos
          Kesmarszky 5 Jun 1900 abt 1854 Bremen Konigin Luise
          <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0016&rdb=nypl&fn=Janos&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4030425697>
          View
          Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=2&h=4034092157&recoff=9>
          Janos
          Kesmarszky 5 Jun 1900 abt 1854 Bremen Konigin Luise
          <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0016&rdb=nypl&fn=Janos&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4034092157>
          View
          Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=3&h=4037140149&recoff=9>
          Edward
          Kesmarszky 3 Aug 1910 abt 1866 Bremen Slovakian Kaiser Wilhelm Der Grosse
          <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0001&rdb=nypl&fn=Edward&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4037140149>
          View
          Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=4&h=4005592818&recoff=9>
          Jozsef
          Kesmarszky 5 Jun 1900 abt 1879 Bremen Konigin Luise
          <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0016&rdb=nypl&fn=Jozsef&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4005592818>
          View
          Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=5&h=4030425698&recoff=9>
          Jozsef
          Kesmarszky 5 Jun 1900 abt 1879 Bremen Konigin Luise
          <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0016&rdb=nypl&fn=Jozsef&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4030425698>
          View
          Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=6&h=4034092158&recoff=9>
          Jozsef
          Kesmarszky 5 Jun 1900 abt 1879 Bremen Konigin Luise
          <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0016&rdb=nypl&fn=Jozsef&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4034092158>
          View
          Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=7&h=4037140148&recoff=9>
          Anna
          Kesmarszky 3 Aug 1910 abt 1887 Bremen Slovakian Kaiser Wilhelm Der Grosse
          <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0001&rdb=nypl&fn=Anna&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4037140148>
          View
          Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=8&h=4037140150&recoff=9>
          Josef
          Kesmarszky 3 Aug 1910 abt 1907 Bremen Slovakian Kaiser Wilhelm Der Grosse

          On 27 April 2012 11:27, John <johnqadam@...> wrote:

          > **
          >
          >
          > >>> Municipal Office Torysa
          > > Torysa 28
          > > 082 76 Torysa
          >
          > Is that enough of an address, seems incomplete? Based on your expert
          > knowledge of the government and history who do I address the correspondence
          > to? What will they need to do the research, should I include copies of the
          > baptismal records? Generally what is the fee for them to find newspaper
          > articles or civil records? <<<
          >
          > I doubt that the municipal office is prepared to do ANY genealogy research
          > . . . unless it refers births/deaths/marriages after 1895.
          >
          >
          >


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        • htcstech
          I should of added that 3 of them are listed as coming from Bartfa - http://www.cisarik.com/0_Bardejovska_Nova_Ves_Bardejov_PV_Saros_Saris.html ... [Non-text
          Message 4 of 13 , Apr 26, 2012
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            I should of added that 3 of them are listed as coming from Bartfa -
            http://www.cisarik.com/0_Bardejovska_Nova_Ves_Bardejov_PV_Saros_Saris.html


            On 27 April 2012 11:47, htcstech <htcstech@...> wrote:

            > Ancestry dot com is pointless for Central European records.
            > I've pasted the following. Don't know how they'll appear - probably
            > jumbled up.
            >
            > There are 9 Kesmarszky in the passenger's list 1910, but you probably
            > already know this.
            >
            > View Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=0&h=4005592817&recoff=9> Janos
            > Kesmarszky 5 Jun 1900 abt 1854 Bremen Konigin Luise
            > <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0016&rdb=nypl&fn=Janos&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4005592817> View
            > Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=1&h=4030425697&recoff=9> Janos
            > Kesmarszky 5 Jun 1900 abt 1854 Bremen Konigin Luise
            > <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0016&rdb=nypl&fn=Janos&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4030425697> View
            > Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=2&h=4034092157&recoff=9> Janos
            > Kesmarszky 5 Jun 1900 abt 1854 Bremen Konigin Luise
            > <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0016&rdb=nypl&fn=Janos&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4034092157> View
            > Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=3&h=4037140149&recoff=9> Edward
            > Kesmarszky 3 Aug 1910 abt 1866 Bremen Slovakian Kaiser Wilhelm Der Grosse
            > <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0001&rdb=nypl&fn=Edward&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4037140149> View
            > Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=4&h=4005592818&recoff=9> Jozsef
            > Kesmarszky 5 Jun 1900 abt 1879 Bremen Konigin Luise
            > <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0016&rdb=nypl&fn=Jozsef&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4005592818> View
            > Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=5&h=4030425698&recoff=9> Jozsef
            > Kesmarszky 5 Jun 1900 abt 1879 Bremen Konigin Luise
            > <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0016&rdb=nypl&fn=Jozsef&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4030425698> View
            > Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=6&h=4034092158&recoff=9> Jozsef
            > Kesmarszky 5 Jun 1900 abt 1879 Bremen Konigin Luise
            > <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0016&rdb=nypl&fn=Jozsef&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4034092158> View
            > Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=7&h=4037140148&recoff=9> Anna
            > Kesmarszky 3 Aug 1910 abt 1887 Bremen Slovakian Kaiser Wilhelm Der Grosse
            > <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8944&iid=IMUSA1858_002-0001&rdb=nypl&fn=Anna&ln=Kesmarszky&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4037140148> View
            > Record<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=nypl&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsln=Kesmarszky&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=e02&cp=0&pcat=40&fh=8&h=4037140150&recoff=9> Josef
            > Kesmarszky 3 Aug 1910 abt 1907 Bremen Slovakian Kaiser Wilhelm Der Grosse
            >
            >
            > On 27 April 2012 11:27, John <johnqadam@...> wrote:
            >
            >> **
            >>
            >>
            >> >>> Municipal Office Torysa
            >> > Torysa 28
            >> > 082 76 Torysa
            >>
            >> Is that enough of an address, seems incomplete? Based on your expert
            >> knowledge of the government and history who do I address the correspondence
            >> to? What will they need to do the research, should I include copies of the
            >> baptismal records? Generally what is the fee for them to find newspaper
            >> articles or civil records? <<<
            >>
            >> I doubt that the municipal office is prepared to do ANY genealogy
            >> research . . . unless it refers births/deaths/marriages after 1895.
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >
            >


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          • Janet Kozlay
            Jane, what makes you think that Maria Kesmarszky is related to your ancestor? You indicate that she was listed only as godmother to the children. Godparents
            Message 5 of 13 , Apr 28, 2012
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              Jane, what makes you think that Maria Kesmarszky is related to your
              ancestor? You indicate that she was listed only as godmother to the
              children. Godparents were not ordinarily related to the family. Usually they
              were long-time friends of one of the parents. In the case of a noble acting
              as godparent to a non-noble, there would most likely be a different reason.
              I have seen instances where a noble acted as a godparent to several families
              in a village, perhaps because the duties of a godparent involved
              considerable financial outlay and the noble was more able to absorb the
              costs. I don't think it would be possible to find out today what other
              reasons there might have been. You might want to check to see if she acted
              as godmother to other families.



              Janet





              From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
              Behalf Of Jane Murray
              Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:58 PM
              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky





              Okay... I started this. I probably spelled Domicella Maria "Kesmarszky"
              incorrect listed on my Great,great, great Grandfather's and his siblings
              birth records. As I originally stated I am not an expert on the fancy
              penmanship written. I mistook a "J" for a "F". I have corrected my records
              to "Kesmarszky" not Kesmanszky. If indeed she is the decendent of Georg
              Kesmarszky who was ennobled in 1649 how does one find out what relationship
              she would have to my ancestor Joannes Szabo? I will ask this again, is it
              prudent for me to write to the local town government office in Torysa to
              research records of Domicella Maria Kesmarszky & Joannes Szabo. I found the
              following address online:

              Municipal Office Torysa
              Torysa 28
              082 76 Torysa

              Is that enough of an address, seems incomplete? Based on your expert
              knowledge of the government and history who do I address the correspondence
              to? What will they need to do the research, should I include copies of the
              baptismal records? Generally what is the fee for them to find newspaper
              articles or civil records?

              I appreciate any comments or guidance. I did google "Georg Kesmarszky", one
              suggestion was ancestry.com (I do not have a subscription) I will try
              Family search.org.

              Jane

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            • Jane Murray
              Janet, I know she is not related.  My question pertains to how would I find the relationship between her and my ancestors?  Could it possibly be an
              Message 6 of 13 , Apr 29, 2012
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                Janet,
                I know she is not related.  My question pertains to how would I find the relationship between her and my ancestors?  Could it possibly be an employer/employee situation, or maybe just friends.  You are correct, I probably will never know. I am leaning towards the involvement with the Church.  I have not seen her name tied to other individuals in the records I was searching, but to be quite honest, I zero my searching to my ancestors last name and not the Godparents name, so they could be tied to others.
                I rechecked the word "Domicella" in my translation book; it can mean Lady, servant, or nun. My family was very religious, my gg grandfather was a Cantor/Musician, when I think of Cantors I think of Church; his son (my g grandfather) was said to be studying for the priesthood before he fell in love with my ggrandmother.  I guess it is just wishful thinking on my part that records would be kept at the Church or Town hall that would give some indication of the history of Domicella Maria Kesmarszky, was she a nun, was she a wealthy noble and where does my family fit into this?
                I guess the show "Who do you think you are" gives a person the idea that records are available you just need to keep digging to find them.  My mission in the fall will be to write to the Church in Torysa, I believe I will find my answers there, if not I can at least say I tried.  Jane


                ________________________________
                From: Janet Kozlay <kozlay@...>
                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:35 PM
                Subject: RE: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky


                 
                Jane, what makes you think that Maria Kesmarszky is related to your
                ancestor? You indicate that she was listed only as godmother to the
                children. Godparents were not ordinarily related to the family. Usually they
                were long-time friends of one of the parents. In the case of a noble acting
                as godparent to a non-noble, there would most likely be a different reason.
                I have seen instances where a noble acted as a godparent to several families
                in a village, perhaps because the duties of a godparent involved
                considerable financial outlay and the noble was more able to absorb the
                costs. I don't think it would be possible to find out today what other
                reasons there might have been. You might want to check to see if she acted
                as godmother to other families.

                Janet

                From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                Behalf Of Jane Murray
                Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:58 PM
                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky

                Okay... I started this. I probably spelled Domicella Maria "Kesmarszky"
                incorrect listed on my Great,great, great Grandfather's and his siblings
                birth records. As I originally stated I am not an expert on the fancy
                penmanship written. I mistook a "J" for a "F". I have corrected my records
                to "Kesmarszky" not Kesmanszky. If indeed she is the decendent of Georg
                Kesmarszky who was ennobled in 1649 how does one find out what relationship
                she would have to my ancestor Joannes Szabo? I will ask this again, is it
                prudent for me to write to the local town government office in Torysa to
                research records of Domicella Maria Kesmarszky & Joannes Szabo. I found the
                following address online:

                Municipal Office Torysa
                Torysa 28
                082 76 Torysa

                Is that enough of an address, seems incomplete? Based on your expert
                knowledge of the government and history who do I address the correspondence
                to? What will they need to do the research, should I include copies of the
                baptismal records? Generally what is the fee for them to find newspaper
                articles or civil records?

                I appreciate any comments or guidance. I did google "Georg Kesmarszky", one
                suggestion was ancestry.com (I do not have a subscription) I will try
                Family search.org.

                Jane

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              • William C. Wormuth
                http://torysa.ocu.sk/sk/ Can anyone imagine Parishes in Slovakia searching records for anyone??  Records were moved to specific area locations.  I have no
                Message 7 of 13 , Apr 29, 2012
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                  http://torysa.ocu.sk/sk/

                  Can anyone imagine Parishes in Slovakia searching records for anyone??  Records were moved to specific area locations.  I have no idea where for this area but someone here might.

                  Z Bohom,

                  Vilo



                  ________________________________
                  From: Jane Murray <jmurray6475@...>
                  To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:24 PM
                  Subject: Re: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky


                   
                  Janet,
                  I know she is not related.  My question pertains to how would I find the relationship between her and my ancestors?  Could it possibly be an employer/employee situation, or maybe just friends.  You are correct, I probably will never know. I am leaning towards the involvement with the Church.  I have not seen her name tied to other individuals in the records I was searching, but to be quite honest, I zero my searching to my ancestors last name and not the Godparents name, so they could be tied to others.
                  I rechecked the word "Domicella" in my translation book; it can mean Lady, servant, or nun. My family was very religious, my gg grandfather was a Cantor/Musician, when I think of Cantors I think of Church; his son (my g grandfather) was said to be studying for the priesthood before he fell in love with my ggrandmother.  I guess it is just wishful thinking on my part that records would be kept at the Church or Town hall that would give some indication of the history of Domicella Maria Kesmarszky, was she a nun, was she a wealthy noble and where does my family fit into this?
                  I guess the show "Who do you think you are" gives a person the idea that records are available you just need to keep digging to find them.  My mission in the fall will be to write to the Church in Torysa, I believe I will find my answers there, if not I can at least say I tried.  Jane

                  ________________________________
                  From: Janet Kozlay <kozlay@...>
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:35 PM
                  Subject: RE: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky


                   
                  Jane, what makes you think that Maria Kesmarszky is related to your
                  ancestor? You indicate that she was listed only as godmother to the
                  children. Godparents were not ordinarily related to the family. Usually they
                  were long-time friends of one of the parents. In the case of a noble acting
                  as godparent to a non-noble, there would most likely be a different reason.
                  I have seen instances where a noble acted as a godparent to several families
                  in a village, perhaps because the duties of a godparent involved
                  considerable financial outlay and the noble was more able to absorb the
                  costs. I don't think it would be possible to find out today what other
                  reasons there might have been. You might want to check to see if she acted
                  as godmother to other families.

                  Janet

                  From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                  Behalf Of Jane Murray
                  Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:58 PM
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky

                  Okay... I started this. I probably spelled Domicella Maria "Kesmarszky"
                  incorrect listed on my Great,great, great Grandfather's and his siblings
                  birth records. As I originally stated I am not an expert on the fancy
                  penmanship written. I mistook a "J" for a "F". I have corrected my records
                  to "Kesmarszky" not Kesmanszky. If indeed she is the decendent of Georg
                  Kesmarszky who was ennobled in 1649 how does one find out what relationship
                  she would have to my ancestor Joannes Szabo? I will ask this again, is it
                  prudent for me to write to the local town government office in Torysa to
                  research records of Domicella Maria Kesmarszky & Joannes Szabo. I found the
                  following address online:

                  Municipal Office Torysa
                  Torysa 28
                  082 76 Torysa

                  Is that enough of an address, seems incomplete? Based on your expert
                  knowledge of the government and history who do I address the correspondence
                  to? What will they need to do the research, should I include copies of the
                  baptismal records? Generally what is the fee for them to find newspaper
                  articles or civil records?

                  I appreciate any comments or guidance. I did google "Georg Kesmarszky", one
                  suggestion was ancestry.com (I do not have a subscription) I will try
                  Family search.org.

                  Jane

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                • htcstech
                  I ve heard most recently, that the village records Anyakonyv prior to 1895 were all collected and placed in the state and regional archives as they were in
                  Message 8 of 13 , Apr 29, 2012
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                    I've heard most recently, that the village records 'Anyakonyv' prior to
                    1895 were all collected and placed in the state and regional archives as
                    they were in fact, the only civil registrations of the time. Churches were
                    instructed by the secular authorities to record all baptisms/marriages and
                    deaths according to a state rubric, even those of no religion. I'm not sure
                    when this law started, but it meant that records were now owned by the
                    state.

                    Therefore only church records after 1895 are actually owned by the church.

                    Now your mileage may vary, as I'm sure that some churches kept copies or
                    were instructed to make copies, however there is one that I know of that
                    has no record or copy and refers all questions relating to genealogy to the
                    state archives. Post 1895 is a different story and soon, my people on the
                    ground over there will soon find out if the very reluctant priest can be
                    swayed to show what he's got.
                    Slightly off topic, does any one have some ideas of how to sway a reluctant
                    catholic priest?
                    Some said a nice bottle of wine or maybe a significant donation?

                    Peter M.

                    On 30 April 2012 13:52, William C. Wormuth <senzus@...> wrote:

                    > **
                    >
                    >
                    > http://torysa.ocu.sk/sk/
                    >
                    > Can anyone imagine Parishes in Slovakia searching records for anyone??
                    > Records were moved to specific area locations. I have no idea where for
                    > this area but someone here might.
                    >
                    > Z Bohom,
                    >
                    > Vilo
                    >
                    > ________________________________
                    > From: Jane Murray <jmurray6475@...>
                    > To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:24 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Janet,
                    > I know she is not related. My question pertains to how would I find the
                    > relationship between her and my ancestors? Could it possibly be an
                    > employer/employee situation, or maybe just friends. You are correct, I
                    > probably will never know. I am leaning towards the involvement with the
                    > Church. I have not seen her name tied to other individuals in the records
                    > I was searching, but to be quite honest, I zero my searching to my
                    > ancestors last name and not the Godparents name, so they could be tied to
                    > others.
                    > I rechecked the word "Domicella" in my translation book; it can mean Lady,
                    > servant, or nun. My family was very religious, my gg grandfather was a
                    > Cantor/Musician, when I think of Cantors I think of Church; his son (my g
                    > grandfather) was said to be studying for the priesthood before he fell in
                    > love with my ggrandmother. I guess it is just wishful thinking on my part
                    > that records would be kept at the Church or Town hall that would give some
                    > indication of the history of Domicella Maria Kesmarszky, was she a nun, was
                    > she a wealthy noble and where does my family fit into this?
                    > I guess the show "Who do you think you are" gives a person the idea that
                    > records are available you just need to keep digging to find them. My
                    > mission in the fall will be to write to the Church in Torysa, I believe I
                    > will find my answers there, if not I can at least say I tried. Jane
                    >
                    > ________________________________
                    > From: Janet Kozlay <kozlay@...>
                    > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:35 PM
                    > Subject: RE: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky
                    >
                    >
                    > Jane, what makes you think that Maria Kesmarszky is related to your
                    > ancestor? You indicate that she was listed only as godmother to the
                    > children. Godparents were not ordinarily related to the family. Usually
                    > they
                    > were long-time friends of one of the parents. In the case of a noble acting
                    > as godparent to a non-noble, there would most likely be a different reason.
                    > I have seen instances where a noble acted as a godparent to several
                    > families
                    > in a village, perhaps because the duties of a godparent involved
                    > considerable financial outlay and the noble was more able to absorb the
                    > costs. I don't think it would be possible to find out today what other
                    > reasons there might have been. You might want to check to see if she acted
                    > as godmother to other families.
                    >
                    > Janet
                    >
                    > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com]
                    > On
                    > Behalf Of Jane Murray
                    > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:58 PM
                    > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky
                    >
                    > Okay... I started this. I probably spelled Domicella Maria "Kesmarszky"
                    > incorrect listed on my Great,great, great Grandfather's and his siblings
                    > birth records. As I originally stated I am not an expert on the fancy
                    > penmanship written. I mistook a "J" for a "F". I have corrected my records
                    > to "Kesmarszky" not Kesmanszky. If indeed she is the decendent of Georg
                    > Kesmarszky who was ennobled in 1649 how does one find out what relationship
                    > she would have to my ancestor Joannes Szabo? I will ask this again, is it
                    > prudent for me to write to the local town government office in Torysa to
                    > research records of Domicella Maria Kesmarszky & Joannes Szabo. I found the
                    > following address online:
                    >
                    > Municipal Office Torysa
                    > Torysa 28
                    > 082 76 Torysa
                    >
                    > Is that enough of an address, seems incomplete? Based on your expert
                    > knowledge of the government and history who do I address the correspondence
                    > to? What will they need to do the research, should I include copies of the
                    > baptismal records? Generally what is the fee for them to find newspaper
                    > articles or civil records?
                    >
                    > I appreciate any comments or guidance. I did google "Georg Kesmarszky", one
                    > suggestion was ancestry.com (I do not have a subscription) I will try
                    > Family search.org.
                    >
                    > Jane
                    >
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                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >
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                  • William C. Wormuth
                    Peter, I was told, that when the records for my town, Kúty, were taken and placed in the regional archives, a native Kúcan priest, (retired), hand copied
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                      Peter,


                      I was told, that when the records for my town, Kúty, were taken and placed in the regional archives, a native Kúcan priest, (retired), hand copied them.

                      I can't imagine how but it was our pastor,in 1973 who told me.  I was also advised that when requested, the person will be sent to the archives.

                      Being a Pastor involves a great deal of work.  He says mass twice daily, Morning and late in the afternoon.  He fills in when neighboring priests are away.  He must attend to funerals, ans Baptisms.  He teaches religion each day in schools.  He also manages the Parish, including finances.

                      Yours and my writings here are contributions to Slovak-Roots because our people need to understand the "record seeking" process. 

                      Thank you for your input.

                      Z Bohom,

                      Vilo




                      ________________________________
                      From: htcstech <htcstech@...>
                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 1:59 AM
                      Subject: Re: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky

                      I've heard most recently, that the village records 'Anyakonyv' prior to
                      1895 were all collected and placed in the state and regional archives as
                      they were in fact, the only civil registrations of the time. Churches were
                      instructed by the secular authorities to record all baptisms/marriages and
                      deaths according to a state rubric, even those of no religion. I'm not sure
                      when this law started, but it meant that records were now owned by the
                      state.

                      Therefore only church records after 1895 are actually owned by the church.

                      Now your mileage may vary, as I'm sure that some churches kept copies or
                      were instructed to make copies, however there is one that I know of that
                      has no record or copy and refers all questions relating to genealogy to the
                      state archives. Post 1895 is a different story and soon, my people on the
                      ground over there will soon find out if the very reluctant priest can be
                      swayed to show what he's got.
                      Slightly off topic, does any one have some ideas of how to sway a reluctant
                      catholic priest?
                      Some said a nice bottle of wine or maybe a significant donation?

                      Peter M.

                      On 30 April 2012 13:52, William C. Wormuth <senzus@...> wrote:

                      > **
                      >
                      >
                      > http://torysa.ocu.sk/sk/
                      >
                      > Can anyone imagine Parishes in Slovakia searching records for anyone??
                      > Records were moved to specific area locations.  I have no idea where for
                      > this area but someone here might.
                      >
                      > Z Bohom,
                      >
                      > Vilo
                      >
                      > ________________________________
                      > From: Jane Murray <jmurray6475@...>
                      > To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:24 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Janet,
                      > I know she is not related.  My question pertains to how would I find the
                      > relationship between her and my ancestors?  Could it possibly be an
                      > employer/employee situation, or maybe just friends.  You are correct, I
                      > probably will never know. I am leaning towards the involvement with the
                      > Church.  I have not seen her name tied to other individuals in the records
                      > I was searching, but to be quite honest, I zero my searching to my
                      > ancestors last name and not the Godparents name, so they could be tied to
                      > others.
                      > I rechecked the word "Domicella" in my translation book; it can mean Lady,
                      > servant, or nun. My family was very religious, my gg grandfather was a
                      > Cantor/Musician, when I think of Cantors I think of Church; his son (my g
                      > grandfather) was said to be studying for the priesthood before he fell in
                      > love with my ggrandmother.  I guess it is just wishful thinking on my part
                      > that records would be kept at the Church or Town hall that would give some
                      > indication of the history of Domicella Maria Kesmarszky, was she a nun, was
                      > she a wealthy noble and where does my family fit into this?
                      > I guess the show "Who do you think you are" gives a person the idea that
                      > records are available you just need to keep digging to find them.  My
                      > mission in the fall will be to write to the Church in Torysa, I believe I
                      > will find my answers there, if not I can at least say I tried.  Jane
                      >
                      > ________________________________
                      > From: Janet Kozlay <kozlay@...>
                      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:35 PM
                      > Subject: RE: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky
                      >
                      >
                      > Jane, what makes you think that Maria Kesmarszky is related to your
                      > ancestor? You indicate that she was listed only as godmother to the
                      > children. Godparents were not ordinarily related to the family. Usually
                      > they
                      > were long-time friends of one of the parents. In the case of a noble acting
                      > as godparent to a non-noble, there would most likely be a different reason.
                      > I have seen instances where a noble acted as a godparent to several
                      > families
                      > in a village, perhaps because the duties of a godparent involved
                      > considerable financial outlay and the noble was more able to absorb the
                      > costs. I don't think it would be possible to find out today what other
                      > reasons there might have been. You might want to check to see if she acted
                      > as godmother to other families.
                      >
                      > Janet
                      >
                      > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com]
                      > On
                      > Behalf Of Jane Murray
                      > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:58 PM
                      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky
                      >
                      > Okay... I started this. I probably spelled Domicella Maria "Kesmarszky"
                      > incorrect listed on my Great,great, great Grandfather's and his siblings
                      > birth records. As I originally stated I am not an expert on the fancy
                      > penmanship written. I mistook a "J" for a "F". I have corrected my records
                      > to "Kesmarszky" not Kesmanszky. If indeed she is the decendent of Georg
                      > Kesmarszky who was ennobled in 1649 how does one find out what relationship
                      > she would have to my ancestor Joannes Szabo? I will ask this again, is it
                      > prudent for me to write to the local town government office in Torysa to
                      > research records of Domicella Maria Kesmarszky & Joannes Szabo. I found the
                      > following address online:
                      >
                      > Municipal Office Torysa
                      > Torysa 28
                      > 082 76 Torysa
                      >
                      > Is that enough of an address, seems incomplete? Based on your expert
                      > knowledge of the government and history who do I address the correspondence
                      > to? What will they need to do the research, should I include copies of the
                      > baptismal records? Generally what is the fee for them to find newspaper
                      > articles or civil records?
                      >
                      > I appreciate any comments or guidance. I did google "Georg Kesmarszky", one
                      > suggestion was ancestry.com (I do not have a subscription) I will try
                      > Family search.org.
                      >
                      > Jane
                      >
                      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      >
                      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      >
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                      >
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                      >


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                    • John
                      ... Post 1895, the records are in the local civic records office. Of course, the church may have tracked its parishioners as well.
                      Message 10 of 13 , Apr 30, 2012
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                        >>> Post 1895 is a different story and soon, my people on the ground over there will soon find out if the very reluctant priest can be swayed to show what he's got. <<<

                        Post 1895, the records are in the local civic records office. Of course, the church may have tracked its parishioners as well.
                      • helene cincebeaux
                        These are good but try home-made slivovice or good brandy! helene
                        Message 11 of 13 , Apr 30, 2012
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                          These are good but try home-made slivovice or good brandy!

                          helene

                          --- On Mon, 4/30/12, htcstech <htcstech@...> wrote:

                          > From: htcstech <htcstech@...>
                          > Subject: Re: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky
                          > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          > Date: Monday, April 30, 2012, 1:59 AM
                          > I've heard most recently, that the
                          > village records 'Anyakonyv' prior to
                          > 1895 were all collected and placed in the state and regional
                          > archives as
                          > they were in fact, the only civil registrations of the time.
                          > Churches were
                          > instructed by the secular authorities to record all
                          > baptisms/marriages and
                          > deaths according to a state rubric, even those of no
                          > religion. I'm not sure
                          > when this law started, but it meant that records were now
                          > owned by the
                          > state.
                          >
                          > Therefore only church records after 1895 are actually owned
                          > by the church.
                          >
                          > Now your mileage may vary, as I'm sure that some churches
                          > kept copies or
                          > were instructed to make copies, however there is one that I
                          > know of that
                          > has no record or copy and refers all questions relating to
                          > genealogy to the
                          > state archives. Post 1895 is a different story and soon, my
                          > people on the
                          > ground over there will soon find out if the very reluctant
                          > priest can be
                          > swayed to show what he's got.
                          > Slightly off topic, does any one have some ideas of how to
                          > sway a reluctant
                          > catholic priest?
                          > Some said a nice bottle of wine or maybe a significant
                          > donation?
                          >
                          > Peter M.
                          >
                          > On 30 April 2012 13:52, William C. Wormuth <senzus@...>
                          > wrote:
                          >
                          > > **
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > http://torysa.ocu.sk/sk/
                          > >
                          > > Can anyone imagine Parishes in Slovakia searching
                          > records for anyone??
                          > > Records were moved to specific area locations.  I
                          > have no idea where for
                          > > this area but someone here might.
                          > >
                          > > Z Bohom,
                          > >
                          > > Vilo
                          > >
                          > > ________________________________
                          > > From: Jane Murray <jmurray6475@...>
                          > > To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com"
                          > <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:24 PM
                          > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Janet,
                          > > I know she is not related.  My question pertains
                          > to how would I find the
                          > > relationship between her and my ancestors?  Could
                          > it possibly be an
                          > > employer/employee situation, or maybe just
                          > friends.  You are correct, I
                          > > probably will never know. I am leaning towards the
                          > involvement with the
                          > > Church.  I have not seen her name tied to other
                          > individuals in the records
                          > > I was searching, but to be quite honest, I zero my
                          > searching to my
                          > > ancestors last name and not the Godparents name, so
                          > they could be tied to
                          > > others.
                          > > I rechecked the word "Domicella" in my translation
                          > book; it can mean Lady,
                          > > servant, or nun. My family was very religious, my gg
                          > grandfather was a
                          > > Cantor/Musician, when I think of Cantors I think of
                          > Church; his son (my g
                          > > grandfather) was said to be studying for the priesthood
                          > before he fell in
                          > > love with my ggrandmother.  I guess it is just
                          > wishful thinking on my part
                          > > that records would be kept at the Church or Town hall
                          > that would give some
                          > > indication of the history of Domicella Maria
                          > Kesmarszky, was she a nun, was
                          > > she a wealthy noble and where does my family fit into
                          > this?
                          > > I guess the show "Who do you think you are" gives a
                          > person the idea that
                          > > records are available you just need to keep digging to
                          > find them.  My
                          > > mission in the fall will be to write to the Church in
                          > Torysa, I believe I
                          > > will find my answers there, if not I can at least say I
                          > tried.  Jane
                          > >
                          > > ________________________________
                          > > From: Janet Kozlay <kozlay@...>
                          > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:35 PM
                          > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Jane, what makes you think that Maria Kesmarszky is
                          > related to your
                          > > ancestor? You indicate that she was listed only as
                          > godmother to the
                          > > children. Godparents were not ordinarily related to the
                          > family. Usually
                          > > they
                          > > were long-time friends of one of the parents. In the
                          > case of a noble acting
                          > > as godparent to a non-noble, there would most likely be
                          > a different reason.
                          > > I have seen instances where a noble acted as a
                          > godparent to several
                          > > families
                          > > in a village, perhaps because the duties of a godparent
                          > involved
                          > > considerable financial outlay and the noble was more
                          > able to absorb the
                          > > costs. I don't think it would be possible to find out
                          > today what other
                          > > reasons there might have been. You might want to check
                          > to see if she acted
                          > > as godmother to other families.
                          > >
                          > > Janet
                          > >
                          > > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          > [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com]
                          > > On
                          > > Behalf Of Jane Murray
                          > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:58 PM
                          > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Subject: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky
                          > >
                          > > Okay... I started this. I probably spelled Domicella
                          > Maria "Kesmarszky"
                          > > incorrect listed on my Great,great, great Grandfather's
                          > and his siblings
                          > > birth records. As I originally stated I am not an
                          > expert on the fancy
                          > > penmanship written. I mistook a "J" for a "F". I have
                          > corrected my records
                          > > to "Kesmarszky" not Kesmanszky. If indeed she is the
                          > decendent of Georg
                          > > Kesmarszky who was ennobled in 1649 how does one find
                          > out what relationship
                          > > she would have to my ancestor Joannes Szabo? I will ask
                          > this again, is it
                          > > prudent for me to write to the local town government
                          > office in Torysa to
                          > > research records of Domicella Maria Kesmarszky &
                          > Joannes Szabo. I found the
                          > > following address online:
                          > >
                          > > Municipal Office Torysa
                          > > Torysa 28
                          > > 082 76 Torysa
                          > >
                          > > Is that enough of an address, seems incomplete? Based
                          > on your expert
                          > > knowledge of the government and history who do I
                          > address the correspondence
                          > > to? What will they need to do the research, should I
                          > include copies of the
                          > > baptismal records? Generally what is the fee for them
                          > to find newspaper
                          > > articles or civil records?
                          > >
                          > > I appreciate any comments or guidance. I did google
                          > "Georg Kesmarszky", one
                          > > suggestion was ancestry.com (I do not have a
                          > subscription) I will try
                          > > Family search.org.
                          > >
                          > > Jane
                          > >
                          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > >
                          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > >
                          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > >
                          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > >
                          > > 
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                          >
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                        • htcstech
                          lol I should say that my dear mother who is in 78, is travelling there in a few weeks to sway the priest. She wanted to buy a special frock for the Sunday
                          Message 12 of 13 , Apr 30, 2012
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                            lol
                            I should say that my dear mother who is in 78, is travelling there in a few
                            weeks to sway the priest.
                            She wanted to buy a special frock for the Sunday Mass, just for this
                            purpose :)
                            Funny as Hell when the shop assistants found out why she wanted it!

                            Didn't think of brandy! Slivovice may be a bit rough on his presumably
                            delicate throat.

                            Peter M.

                            On 1 May 2012 12:36, helene cincebeaux <helenezx@...> wrote:

                            > **
                            >
                            >
                            > These are good but try home-made slivovice or good brandy!
                            >
                            > helene
                            >
                            > --- On Mon, 4/30/12, htcstech <htcstech@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > > From: htcstech <htcstech@...>
                            > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky
                            > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Date: Monday, April 30, 2012, 1:59 AM
                            > > I've heard most recently, that the
                            > > village records 'Anyakonyv' prior to
                            > > 1895 were all collected and placed in the state and regional
                            > > archives as
                            > > they were in fact, the only civil registrations of the time.
                            > > Churches were
                            > > instructed by the secular authorities to record all
                            > > baptisms/marriages and
                            > > deaths according to a state rubric, even those of no
                            > > religion. I'm not sure
                            > > when this law started, but it meant that records were now
                            > > owned by the
                            > > state.
                            > >
                            > > Therefore only church records after 1895 are actually owned
                            > > by the church.
                            > >
                            > > Now your mileage may vary, as I'm sure that some churches
                            > > kept copies or
                            > > were instructed to make copies, however there is one that I
                            > > know of that
                            > > has no record or copy and refers all questions relating to
                            > > genealogy to the
                            > > state archives. Post 1895 is a different story and soon, my
                            > > people on the
                            > > ground over there will soon find out if the very reluctant
                            > > priest can be
                            > > swayed to show what he's got.
                            > > Slightly off topic, does any one have some ideas of how to
                            > > sway a reluctant
                            > > catholic priest?
                            > > Some said a nice bottle of wine or maybe a significant
                            > > donation?
                            > >
                            > > Peter M.
                            > >
                            > > On 30 April 2012 13:52, William C. Wormuth <senzus@...>
                            > > wrote:
                            > >
                            > > > **
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > http://torysa.ocu.sk/sk/
                            > > >
                            > > > Can anyone imagine Parishes in Slovakia searching
                            > > records for anyone??
                            > > > Records were moved to specific area locations. I
                            > > have no idea where for
                            > > > this area but someone here might.
                            > > >
                            > > > Z Bohom,
                            > > >
                            > > > Vilo
                            > > >
                            > > > ________________________________
                            > > > From: Jane Murray <jmurray6475@...>
                            > > > To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com"
                            > > <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:24 PM
                            > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Janet,
                            > > > I know she is not related. My question pertains
                            > > to how would I find the
                            > > > relationship between her and my ancestors? Could
                            > > it possibly be an
                            > > > employer/employee situation, or maybe just
                            > > friends. You are correct, I
                            > > > probably will never know. I am leaning towards the
                            > > involvement with the
                            > > > Church. I have not seen her name tied to other
                            > > individuals in the records
                            > > > I was searching, but to be quite honest, I zero my
                            > > searching to my
                            > > > ancestors last name and not the Godparents name, so
                            > > they could be tied to
                            > > > others.
                            > > > I rechecked the word "Domicella" in my translation
                            > > book; it can mean Lady,
                            > > > servant, or nun. My family was very religious, my gg
                            > > grandfather was a
                            > > > Cantor/Musician, when I think of Cantors I think of
                            > > Church; his son (my g
                            > > > grandfather) was said to be studying for the priesthood
                            > > before he fell in
                            > > > love with my ggrandmother. I guess it is just
                            > > wishful thinking on my part
                            > > > that records would be kept at the Church or Town hall
                            > > that would give some
                            > > > indication of the history of Domicella Maria
                            > > Kesmarszky, was she a nun, was
                            > > > she a wealthy noble and where does my family fit into
                            > > this?
                            > > > I guess the show "Who do you think you are" gives a
                            > > person the idea that
                            > > > records are available you just need to keep digging to
                            > > find them. My
                            > > > mission in the fall will be to write to the Church in
                            > > Torysa, I believe I
                            > > > will find my answers there, if not I can at least say I
                            > > tried. Jane
                            > > >
                            > > > ________________________________
                            > > > From: Janet Kozlay <kozlay@...>
                            > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:35 PM
                            > > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Jane, what makes you think that Maria Kesmarszky is
                            > > related to your
                            > > > ancestor? You indicate that she was listed only as
                            > > godmother to the
                            > > > children. Godparents were not ordinarily related to the
                            > > family. Usually
                            > > > they
                            > > > were long-time friends of one of the parents. In the
                            > > case of a noble acting
                            > > > as godparent to a non-noble, there would most likely be
                            > > a different reason.
                            > > > I have seen instances where a noble acted as a
                            > > godparent to several
                            > > > families
                            > > > in a village, perhaps because the duties of a godparent
                            > > involved
                            > > > considerable financial outlay and the noble was more
                            > > able to absorb the
                            > > > costs. I don't think it would be possible to find out
                            > > today what other
                            > > > reasons there might have been. You might want to check
                            > > to see if she acted
                            > > > as godmother to other families.
                            > > >
                            > > > Janet
                            > > >
                            > > > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            > > [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com]
                            > > > On
                            > > > Behalf Of Jane Murray
                            > > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:58 PM
                            > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > Subject: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky
                            > > >
                            > > > Okay... I started this. I probably spelled Domicella
                            > > Maria "Kesmarszky"
                            > > > incorrect listed on my Great,great, great Grandfather's
                            > > and his siblings
                            > > > birth records. As I originally stated I am not an
                            > > expert on the fancy
                            > > > penmanship written. I mistook a "J" for a "F". I have
                            > > corrected my records
                            > > > to "Kesmarszky" not Kesmanszky. If indeed she is the
                            > > decendent of Georg
                            > > > Kesmarszky who was ennobled in 1649 how does one find
                            > > out what relationship
                            > > > she would have to my ancestor Joannes Szabo? I will ask
                            > > this again, is it
                            > > > prudent for me to write to the local town government
                            > > office in Torysa to
                            > > > research records of Domicella Maria Kesmarszky &
                            > > Joannes Szabo. I found the
                            > > > following address online:
                            > > >
                            > > > Municipal Office Torysa
                            > > > Torysa 28
                            > > > 082 76 Torysa
                            > > >
                            > > > Is that enough of an address, seems incomplete? Based
                            > > on your expert
                            > > > knowledge of the government and history who do I
                            > > address the correspondence
                            > > > to? What will they need to do the research, should I
                            > > include copies of the
                            > > > baptismal records? Generally what is the fee for them
                            > > to find newspaper
                            > > > articles or civil records?
                            > > >
                            > > > I appreciate any comments or guidance. I did google
                            > > "Georg Kesmarszky", one
                            > > > suggestion was ancestry.com (I do not have a
                            > > subscription) I will try
                            > > > Family search.org.
                            > > >
                            > > > Jane
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                          • Jane Murray
                            In my many years that I have been researching my family, the first place I always contacted was the Church.  I have come across some very helpful rectories
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                              In my many years that I have been researching my family, the first place I always contacted was the Church.  I have come across some very helpful rectories that are willing to let you look at records, and some very hostile priest that refuse any searching.  I have always in all cases made a donation to the Church for their assistance; besides money it could include lunch, flowers, and in one case "several" bottles of good red wine.  One priest at Polish St. Roche's RC Church in Johnstown Pa actually yelled at me for digging into confidential material that no one should have access to. I am going to send a letter to the churches in Slovakia where my ancestors lived, if they respond I will be grateful; if they do not, I close that book. Jane


                              ________________________________
                              From: John <johnqadam@...>
                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 8:21 PM
                              Subject: Re: [S-R] Domicella Maria Kesmarszky


                               
                              >>> Post 1895 is a different story and soon, my people on the ground over there will soon find out if the very reluctant priest can be swayed to show what he's got. <<<

                              Post 1895, the records are in the local civic records office. Of course, the church may have tracked its parishioners as well.




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