Re: 1720 census
- Dear Peter - Thank you for this trick in scrolling through the images on the 1720 pages . I have been slowly collaborating my church records findings with the 1720 census for this time period .
Also thanks for the explanation on "'land workers', 'cotter ' 'colonus' 'inquilinus'" in it and the Hungarian terms as well . In comparing with what the preachers/priests in church records wrote as status for some of my family members later (post - 1720 through 1810 ),I agree that" colonus worked on their ancestral plots without rent" . I have a mixture of all kinds of folks in my villages ( nemes & cotters) so it's interesting to see what different groups had to pay taxes.
In one instance , I do see some known village nobility " heirs " paying taxes .It was translated to as "part of the settlement fund" - taxalisták.
A NOTE TO ANYONE WORKING IN 1720 census online, some categories like POZSONY MEGYE (21.Teka )- when you click on the green cross , the list expands underneath , the JARAS is TITLED by the names of the tax collectors ! Not the names of the districts but keep looking and your village will be in the list . It helps to know what your village was called in 1720 too.
Sometime you have to double click the green crosses to get it to open up and expand . That has been my only technical issue with the site and I am hardly fluent in Hungarian .
I have been jumping back to the 1828 census for my villages to compare to 1720. We are all lucky that they are digitalizing these records and sharing them .
--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, htcstech <htcstech@...> wrote:
> nemes means noble
> adozok means tax payers
> I think extraneusok - people the tax officials found.
> libertinusok - would include no-tax payers as they were servants, possibly
> Roma (czigany).
> If you are into this, then I recommend to look at the actual images.
> There is a trick with this, as the database only shows the first page!
> If the list of people are relatively numerous, you can force the database
> to show the next page(s) ut manually editing the URL.
> To do this, go to the address bar, click at the end, AFTER the page number,
> delete the last number and add 1.
> So if the last number is 32, delete the 2 and add 3. Click refresh and the
> next page (image) is shown!
> Let me know if this works for you as I'm doing this from memory.
> Peter M
> On 9 April 2012 23:52, HFR100 <hfr100@...> wrote:
> > **
> > That 1720 database is marvelous and very interesting to compare the
> > listings from the 1715 .
> > In a hurry to figure out (because of the holiday week ) but what do these
> > categories mean in terms of taxpayers?
> > nemes extraneusok
> > extraneusok
> > libertinusok
> > adózók
> > Magda
- Sorry - part of those quotes were in white text... This should be ok now.
On 19 April 2012 12:20, htcstech <htcstech@...> wrote:
> A bit of clarification on Tax collection procedures.
> I found an on-line text: Hungary and Transylvania by John Paget (1850)
> which looks like a faithful copy of the original I read a few months ago as
> a pdf from a Hungarian source. As I can copy and paste from this, I'd like
> to sahre what this educated English gentleman said about tax collection
> circa 1835 - before the 1848 revolution.
> "There is still one part of the municipal system to be considered,�that
> which refers to the local government of a village. Every Hungarian village
> forms a Communitas in itself, and is governed by its own elected officers,
> assesses and collects its own taxes, <http://depts.washington.edu/cartah/text_archive/paget/pages/p1_551.jpg> GOVERNMENT
> OF VILLAGES. and manages its own affairs, very much after its own fancy.
> The Lord of the Manor, has, to a certain extent, the same power in the
> village as the Monarch in the county."
> "GENERAL TAXES. distribution of this, and the amount which comes to the
> share of each village, the assessment on the individual peasants falls to
> the Biro and his Jurassores (elected from the people and by the people of
> the village - Peter M). The common manner of dividing it is so much per
> head for every grown-up man ; and then so much on each article of
> property,�as oxen, sheep, horses,�which he may possess. It is one of the
> great advantages of an elected officer, that those who elect him are
> commonly content with his manner of performing his duty; or, if they are
> not, the remedy rests with themselves. I do not recollect in other parts of
> Europe to have often seen the tax-gatherer and police-officers objects of
> respect to their neighbours; while in Hungary I never heard of a Biro being
> ill-regarded because he had performed his duty. It is a well-known fact,
> that, when the peasant is perfectly unmanageable in the hands of the lord
> or his steward, he is at once obedient to his own elected Biro."
> There were 2 taxes - a military tax and a domestic tax. Church tax was
> food, wine and wood.
> It's not a long book, and contains descriptions of towns, landforms,
> Slovaks and Jews of the time.
> One interesting this that struck me was that many towns had a little
> 'Cavalry Hill' where religious ceremonies were conducted!
> A very interesting read.
> Peter M.
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