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[S-R] Re: JANKANICS - Death Record

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  • creativelr
    Wow, Thanks Peter, You guys are helping me put these pieces together. If I find someone who reads hungarian I ll post their translation, but until then, this
    Message 1 of 50 , Feb 1, 2012
      Wow, Thanks Peter,

      You guys are helping me put these pieces together. If I find someone who reads hungarian I'll post their translation, but until then, this is great. I do know that he was originally from Giraltovce so it makes sense.

      It's also helpful to watch the process of deciphering handwriting as I'm trying to do this myself, so again, I'm learning. I've tried matching words in a hungarian word list, but didn't get very far.

      Thanks again guys!

      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, htcstech <htcstech@...> wrote:
      > I'll generally go with Carl here.
      > The cause of death I read as ~utes - meaning 'hit' - the letters in front
      > of that are probably ~itar or ~itas. If it is ~itas+utes then it can be
      > read as ~sutes meaning 'exposed'. It is the gap between the a(s) and utes
      > that means for me that there are 2 words here.
      > The observation text is hard to understand, even though it is somewhat
      > readable and seems to shed light on the cause of death. I don't really get
      > an understanding though, so someone with a good knowledge of Hungarian
      > dialects should step in.
      > I see some phrases:
      > Line 1:(Epesjefen?) removing a barn and (istalbja?)
      > Line 2:Every mark and life was burnt - maybe 'burning with life' -
      > energetic?
      > Line 3:was coming back from Giralton that's why the sad news heard
      > Line 4:considering parts, or songs
      > Line 5: (szelutes) = hit by wind but is another word for 'stroke' and died
      > immediately.
      > Line 6: The travelling doctor on the Hideg Kereszteny-Breuer run,
      > eventually stated the cause of death.
      > It doesn't make too much sense. The impression I get is that he was a man
      > with great vitality who died suddenly from a stroke. He just came back from
      > Giralton when this happened.
      > Peter
      > On 1 February 2012 03:15, Carl <kotlarchik@...> wrote:
      > > **
      > >
      > >
      > > Linda,
      > > Thanks for your comments. Unlike the baptism record that was written in
      > > Latin, this death record is written in Hungarian. I will take a stab at
      > > suggesting what the cause of death was but the comments at the end will
      > > likely require someone fluent in Hungarian. If no one steps up here, you
      > > may want to post this question on a Hungarian forum.
      > >
      > > In any case, the cause of death is not entirely visible. Several letters
      > > at the beginning of the word cannot be seen which makes it difficult to be
      > > certain what the word is. But I would suggest that the cause of death might
      > > be from an apoplectic stroke or possibly some other hemorrhage of the body.
      > > I think the word may be "gutaütés". Initially, I thought that there might
      > > have been a "s" after the "a". However, in looking around the other entries
      > > which contain a "s", they did not appear the same. So, I think that the "a"
      > > just had a little flourish on it. I'll be the first to say that this is
      > > just a guess and may be a real stretch. Maybe someone else can provide a
      > > better answer.
      > > CK
      > > Ps. If you have problems seeing the word correctly here, try changing the
      > > encoding to Unicode (UTF8) in your browser.
      > >
      > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "creativelr" <CreativeLR@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > I am really hitting a gold mine here.
      > > >
      > > > THis record is an Important death record - could someone please tell me
      > > what he died from and all those sentences in the Observations column?!?
      > > >
      > > > Thanks
      > > >
      > > >
      > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12326-109802-12?cc=1554443&wc=12756725
      > > >
      > > > Linda
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
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    • helene cincebeaux
      Hi Elaine - only your listing but I have 2 for Drabischak - contact me directly for info. Great year so far - hope the same for you! My husband is home after
      Message 50 of 50 , Feb 8, 2012
        Hi Elaine - only your listing but I have 2 for Drabischak - contact me directly for info.
        Great year so far - hope the same for you! My husband is home after 3 months in hospital and nursing home and doing great - a miracle!

        --- On Tue, 2/7/12, Elaine <epowell@...> wrote:

        From: Elaine <epowell@...>
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Slovak Pride Database
        To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
        Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 9:31 PM


        Helene, I couldn't open it either.

        Could you tell me if you have any Drabcsak (Hungarian spelling from the 1869 census) in your database please? That was my gggrandmother's family name from Ujpechfalu, but I couldn't find her in the records.

        Hope you're having a good new year!


        Sent from my iPhone

        On Feb 7, 2012, at 6:59 PM, helene cincebeaux <helenezx@...> wrote:

        > Hi Frank - just checked it seemed fine - but we will be updating this month and adding several thousand new surnames and villages - now up to 30,781 listings!
        > helene
        > --- On Sun, 2/5/12, Frank R Plichta <frank.r.plichta@...> wrote:
        > From: Frank R Plichta <frank.r.plichta@...>
        > Subject: [S-R] Slovak-Roots Gentle Guidelines
        > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        > Date: Sunday, February 5, 2012, 6:36 PM
        > The URL link for the database of surnames:
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