I accept your difference of opinion.
Consider also, that in the late 1880's, folks did not have a need for
remembering their true birth date. There was no need for that information
at that time in the world's history. In both areas that are now the Czech
Republic and Slovak Republic, people had a tendency to celebrate their
"name" day each year rather than their birth day. The practice continues in
those areas today. Check out the following link:
So, if you never celebrated your birthday, it is reasonable to assume that
the true date was forgotten. OK, it was sometime in December. And, without
any birth certificates that are now required for almost anything you need
identification for, the dates sometimes were recorded incorrectly. And, 40
years later some priest in a local Church looks for a name and finds several
individuals with the same name within a few days of each other, prepares an
extract. Have you actually seen the specific records or is your information
In your original message you were talking about a marriage date preceding
his departure date. Now you are referring to different birth dates for a
GF. I think both examples are within the reasonable realm of faulty memory
without written documents like we use today.
I don't think your search is over. Just think of the excitement when your
research yields an explanation about your ancestors' dates.
"Searching the World for PLICHTAs"
Behalf Of pstagen
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 3:21 PM
Subject: Calender Dates [S-R] Re: Map Book -ZOZULAK
I must disagree with your premise. My wife's GF was born in Ruske. Zemplen.
His 1935 SS application showed his birth as Dec 15, 1889, but his 1960's
SSDI shows it as Dec 28, 1889. Subsequent to his application, he had to
produce a document from Europe to attest to his age, per his wife. Not all
parishes switched to the Gregorian calendar. I suspect its a quirk within
What I find really troubling is the time order. How could the priest marry
him on May 24th and the groom sail on May 21st? I thought the calendar
switch was to advance the days, not reverse them. However, it would take a
reversal of calendars to make sense of the records.
--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
, "Frank R Plichta" <frank.r.plichta@...> wrote:
> The dates cannot be attributed to the "13 day difference in calendars".
> The change from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar more than
> likely already took place in Slovakia (I have not been able to establish
> exact date Slovakia made the change).
> Only a few of the Catholic countries switched at the time that Pope
> issued his Bull to change the calendar in 1582. Even those early
> often delayed the change for months. Most of the Germany counties switched
> by 1700. England and America made the change in 1752 by which time most of
> Europe had already made the conversion. The only holdouts were Russia that
> switched in 1918 and Greece that made the change in 1923.
> Since your area of interest is Central Europe and the USA the calendar
> change was certainly completed years before your date of interest in 1898.
> I cannot attribute the difference of dates to the calendar. There has to
> another reason, perhaps just an error in recording the dates. I would tend
> to agree that the EI manifest date is correct since that was produced by
> shipping company at the port of departure in Europe. I would tend to
> believe that the date you have for the marriage is wrong and perhaps you
> should re-examine your source document.
> Frank Plichta
> "Searching the World for PLICHTAs"
> From: pstagen
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 7:48 PM
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-R] Re: Map Book -ZOZULAK
> . . .
> Also an oddity, John married on 24 May 1898 but sailed for New York on May
> 21, 1898, per the EI manifest. Even giving credit to the 13 day difference
> in calendars, that was a quick move. His name was spelled "Zozulyak" in
> church records.(The bride's maiden surname coincides with her 1940's death
> certificate in CT.) Any insights that I'm missing?
> Thanks for all your inputs. They have been helpful.
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