Re: [S-R] Surnames for Illegitimate Children Migrating to America
- Bill I have read your response and the referenced descriptions of "CONCUBINA."
I doubt the "nobility" class for the male member since a generation earlier, the 1828 census for HAZLIN identifies two heads of family with his surname neither owned property nor animals. In fact, two heads of family with the woman's surname in nearby BELOVEZA owned two cows, two sheep, and a swine between the two families.
Instead, I believe this is an example of "permanent concubinage," as described in the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia, where both parties intended to form a lifelong union. Probably, the unmarried couple was not welcomed in either the man's Roman Catholic Church or the woman's Greek Catholic Church, but the woman's Greek Catholic Priest could not refuse to baptize a newborn child. Why the couple did not marry in either church will remain a mystery, but I will review the records for HAZLIN in the late 1800s for any clues or similar examples.
--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich" <bill.tarkulich@...> wrote:
> Well Jim, the most important piece of data in here is "CONCUBINA" It
> means quite a bit more than co-habitation. It defines a relationship
> where one of the people cannot marry, most often because they are not of
> the same social class. It defines two people living together as a family,
> procreating and remaining committed. Under serfdom, this was socially
> acceptable. It is quite likely the father was in a nobleman or at least a
> landowner, or perhaps another social class. While the churches recognized
> this status, they were not particularly pleased about it.
> and from The Catholic Encylopedia, written in 1914.
> It's always good to consult documents from the the time in question.
> While peasant emancipation occurred in Hungary about 1848, many of the
> social and economic forces of serfdom remained engaged well into the
> With regard to offspring naming convention, it makes entire sense.
> Presumably the father was of the higher social status. He would not want
> to have his surname passed down to his offspring. Consequentially the
> boys were forced to take the mother's name. For the girls, they were all
> expected to marry and consequentially lose their original surname.
> On Thu, July 8, 2010 9:50 pm, JimD wrote:
> > This is to provide detailed information regarding surname changes of
> > illegitimate children on their migration to America.
> > JOANNES MARICSEK (Rom Cath), presumably born in HAZLIN about 1860, and
> > ANNA SKRYAB (Gr Cath), presumably born in BELOVEZA about 1860, had at
> > least five children but were not married in the either the Roman Catholic
> > or Greek Catholic Church in either village. There are several spellings
> > for both surnames.
> > The following summarizes the baptism records from the Hazlin Greek
> > Catholic Church for the five ILLEGITIMATE children. The summary includes
> > the date of birth, information from the comment field, and the FHL
> > microfilm reference. There are no entries in the Hazlin Roman Catholic
> > Church or in the Beloveza Greek Catholic Church for the baptisms.
> > #1 MARIA SRKYAB, born 21 September 1882, mother - Anna Skjrab (Gr Cath)
> > originally from Beloveza; father - Joannes Maricsko (Rom Cath) Hazlin;
> > Hazlin house #28. [1792920, Item 5, Pg 25/26, Line 29 and 1792921, Item 2,
> > Pg 77, Line 29]
> > #2 ANNA SKRYAB, born 06 September 1885, mother Anna Skryab (Gr Cath),
> > Hazlin, originally from Beloveza; concubina Joannes Maricsek (Rom Cath),
> > Hazlin; house #17. [1792920, Item 5, Pg 37/38, Line 25 and 1792921, Item
> > 2, Pg 98, Line 24]
> > #3 JOANNES SKRYAB, born 19 May 1888, mother - Anna Skrjab (Gr Cath)
> > Hazlin, originally from Beloveza, concubina Joannes Maricsko (Rom Cath)
> > Hazlin; Hazlin house #17. [1792920, Item 5, Pg 53/54, Line 16 and 1792921,
> > Item 2, Pg 117, Line 16]
> > #4 SUSANNA SKRYAB, born 31 August 1891, mother - Anna Skrjab (Gr Cath)
> > Hazlin; father - none listed; Hazlin house #5. [1792920, Item 5, Pg 73/74,
> > Line 22, and 1792921, Item 2, Pg 139, Line 22]
> > #5 MARIA SKRYAB, born 04 September 1894, mother - Anna Skjrab (Gr Cath);
> > father - none listed; Hazlin house #28. [1792920, Item 5, Pg 91/92, Line
> > 18 and 1792921, Item 2, Pg 161, Line 18]
> > The use of the term "CONCUBINA" appears to describe the unmarried, live-in
> > relationship between JOANNES and ANNA.
> > Three of the children came to America:
> > #2 ANNA, arrived at Ellis Island as ANNA MARICSEK on the SS Rhein on 13
> > April 1905, from Hazlin. [Page 109, Line 18]
> > #4 SUSANNA, arrived at Ellis Island as ZUSANNA MARISEK on the SS Kaiserin
> > Auguste Victoria on 17 June 1911, from her father, JANOS MARISEK. [Page
> > 60, Line 6]
> > #3 JOANNES, arrived at Ellis Island as JOHN SKRAP on the SS Zeeland on 10
> > August 1923, from Hazlin. [Page 166, Line 8]
> > Marriage information:
> > In the marriage record for #4 SUSANNA in Cleveland, she lists her father
> > as JANOS MARICSEK and her mother as ANNA SKRAP.
> > #5 MARIA married JOZSEF SZCIRONKEA (Rom Cath) on 28 November 1918 in the
> > Hazlin Greek Catholic Church [1792921, Item 1, Page 250]. The marriage
> > record identifies her as the daughter of ANNA SKRAB of Hazlin.
> > The death notice for #3 JOHN A. SKRAB can be found in the online necrology
> > database for Cleveland, Ohio, at www.cpl.org. The death notice for JOHN
> > references sisters ANNA KMIT (deceased) and SUSAN DERNAR (deceased).
> > CONCLUSION:
> > My observation is that as the children migrate to the U.S., the
> > ILLEGITIMATE SONS RETAIN THE MOTHER'S SURNAME, and the ILLEGITIMATE
> > DAUGHTERS USE THE FATHER'S SURNAME.
> > Jim Dernar
> > Ashburn, VA