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  • John
    When searching for genealogical information, knowing the birth village is paramount because records are organized by village not nationally, so it is not
    Message 1 of 14 , Mar 2, 2010
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      When searching for genealogical information, knowing the birth village is paramount because records are organized by village not nationally, so it is not possible to search on a national basis. It is also necessary to know the religion.

      >>> Looking for information on Drenguba and Buselola families in Austria-Hungary prior to the turn of the 20th century. Particularly Josef Drenguba or Maria Busella. Any help would be appreciated. <<<
    • John
      ... Ellis Island listings suggest the village name Ruda-Banyacska, Zemplen Megye = county. 1910 HUNGARIAN MAP The old Hungarian map can be found at:
      Message 2 of 14 , Mar 2, 2010
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        >>> Looking for information on Drenguba and Buselola families in Austria-Hungary prior to the turn of the 20th century. Particularly Josef Drenguba or Maria Busella. <<<

        Ellis Island listings suggest the village name Ruda-Banyacska, Zemplen Megye = county.

        1910 HUNGARIAN MAP
        The old Hungarian map can be found at: http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/zemplen.jpg

        Look toward the bottom, in the pink area for SATORALJAUJHELY and then go a bit northwest to find Rudabanyacska. Given what little evidence we have, that would appear to be your village. It is 4 km straight-line distance northwest of Satoraljaujhely, Hungary.

        SAVE the map on YOUR computer. OPEN the map in any graphics program. CUT and PRINT the relevant section of the map. Otherwise, you just get a corner. This map uses the Hungarian village names that you will likely find in church records.
      • John
        ... What is the correct surname? Busela comes up on Ellis island. Where was she born?
        Message 3 of 14 , Mar 2, 2010
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          >>> Looking for information on . . . Buselola families . . . or Maria Busella. <<<

          What is the correct surname? Busela comes up on Ellis island. Where was she born?
        • Michael Mojher
          Bill, In the 1995 Slovak Census there were no listing for Buselola or Busella. The offered alternative was Butella: Priezvisko BUTELLA sa na Slovensku v roku
          Message 4 of 14 , Mar 2, 2010
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            Bill,
            In the 1995 Slovak Census there were no listing for Buselola or Busella. The offered alternative was Butella:
            Priezvisko BUTELLA sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 4×, celkový pocet lokalít: 3, v lokalitách:
            MOLDAVA NAD BODVOU, okr. KOSICE-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 KOSICE - OKOLIE) - 2×;
            JUH (obec KOSICE), okr. KOSICE - 1×;
            SEVER (obec KOSICE), okr. KOSICE - 1×;
            In 1995 there were only 4 listing for Butella. Two in the town of Moldava nad Bodvou, Kosice District. And two in the city of Kosice in Kosice District. The Juh and Sever areas of the city of Kosice

            Ellis Island had 14 listings for Butella. Five of them said they came from Balazser, Hungary. No luck finding it.

            Priezvisko DRENGUBÁK sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 5×, celkový pocet lokalít: 2, v lokalitách:
            KOSAROVCE, okr. VRANOV NAD TOPLOU (od r. 1996 HUMENNÉ) - 4×;
            VÍTAZOVCE, okr. HUMENNÉ - 1×;
            These two villages are very close to one another. They are near the reservoir Vodna Nadrz Velka Domasa northeast of Presov.
            Kosarovce
            county: Humenné

            OLD NAMES of the village(town): 1773 Kosarocz, Kossarowcze, 1786 Koscharóz, Koscharowce, 1808 Kosárócz, Kossárowce, 1863-1902 Kosaróc, 1907-1913 Kosárvágása, 1920 Kosiarovce, Kosarovce, 1927- Kosarovce

            In 2008 one Drengubak and one Drengubakova were living here.

            Ellis Island listings:

            Drenguba, Josef 25 1867 1892 view view view view view
            2 Drenguba, Jozsef R banyacska 39 1865 1904 view view view view view
            3 Drenguba, Julia Rudobanyacska 17 1889 1906 view view view view view
            4 Drengubak, Imre Vagdohnta, Hungary 28 1879 1907 view view view view view
            5 Drengubak, Josef Kaurecsvayas 27 1874 1901 view view view view view




            From: William B
            Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:27 AM
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [S-R] Drenguba, Busella



            Looking for information on Drenguba and Buselola families in Austria-Hungary prior to the turn of the 20th century. Particularly Josef Drenguba or Maria Busella. Any help would be appreciated.

            Thanks

            Bill Berry





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          • maxine
            I have seen this MAP a million times and still cannot find: Jakubany NE and Michalovce E. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks, really
            Message 5 of 14 , Mar 2, 2010
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              I have seen this MAP a million times and still cannot find: Jakubany NE and Michalovce E. Can someone point me in the right direction?
              Thanks, really appreciate it. maxine sasala



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              From: John
              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:17 PM
              Subject: [S-R] Re: Drenguba, Busella



              >>> Looking for information on Drenguba and Buselola families in Austria-Hungary prior to the turn of the 20th century. Particularly Josef Drenguba or Maria Busella. <<<

              Ellis Island listings suggest the village name Ruda-Banyacska, Zemplen Megye = county.

              1910 HUNGARIAN MAP
              The old Hungarian map can be found at: http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/zemplen.jpg

              Look toward the bottom, in the pink area for SATORALJAUJHELY and then go a bit northwest to find Rudabanyacska. Given what little evidence we have, that would appear to be your village. It is 4 km straight-line distance northwest of Satoraljaujhely, Hungary.

              SAVE the map on YOUR computer. OPEN the map in any graphics program. CUT and PRINT the relevant section of the map. Otherwise, you just get a corner. This map uses the Hungarian village names that you will likely find in church records.





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            • Michael Mojher
              Maxine, You are about 60 miles off. Jakubany is due south of Stara Lubovna by 6.5 km. Stara Lubovna is northwest of Presov by some 30 miles on Highway 68.
              Message 6 of 14 , Mar 2, 2010
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                Maxine,
                You are about 60 miles off. Jakubany is due south of Stara Lubovna by 6.5 km. Stara Lubovna is northwest of Presov by some 30 miles on Highway 68.


                From: maxine
                Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:46 PM
                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Drenguba, Busella



                I have seen this MAP a million times and still cannot find: Jakubany NE and Michalovce E. Can someone point me in the right direction?
                Thanks, really appreciate it. maxine sasala

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: John
                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:17 PM
                Subject: [S-R] Re: Drenguba, Busella

                >>> Looking for information on Drenguba and Buselola families in Austria-Hungary prior to the turn of the 20th century. Particularly Josef Drenguba or Maria Busella. <<<

                Ellis Island listings suggest the village name Ruda-Banyacska, Zemplen Megye = county.

                1910 HUNGARIAN MAP
                The old Hungarian map can be found at: http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/zemplen.jpg

                Look toward the bottom, in the pink area for SATORALJAUJHELY and then go a bit northwest to find Rudabanyacska. Given what little evidence we have, that would appear to be your village. It is 4 km straight-line distance northwest of Satoraljaujhely, Hungary.

                SAVE the map on YOUR computer. OPEN the map in any graphics program. CUT and PRINT the relevant section of the map. Otherwise, you just get a corner. This map uses the Hungarian village names that you will likely find in church records.

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              • Michael Mojher
                Michalovce. Sorry. It is in far East Slovakia. Almost to the Ukraine border. Next to a large reservoir; Vodna Nadrz Zemplinska Sirava. From: maxine Sent:
                Message 7 of 14 , Mar 2, 2010
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                  Michalovce. Sorry. It is in far East Slovakia. Almost to the Ukraine border. Next to a large reservoir; Vodna Nadrz Zemplinska Sirava.


                  From: maxine
                  Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:46 PM
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Drenguba, Busella



                  I have seen this MAP a million times and still cannot find: Jakubany NE and Michalovce E. Can someone point me in the right direction?
                  Thanks, really appreciate it. maxine sasala

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: John
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:17 PM
                  Subject: [S-R] Re: Drenguba, Busella

                  >>> Looking for information on Drenguba and Buselola families in Austria-Hungary prior to the turn of the 20th century. Particularly Josef Drenguba or Maria Busella. <<<

                  Ellis Island listings suggest the village name Ruda-Banyacska, Zemplen Megye = county.

                  1910 HUNGARIAN MAP
                  The old Hungarian map can be found at: http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/zemplen.jpg

                  Look toward the bottom, in the pink area for SATORALJAUJHELY and then go a bit northwest to find Rudabanyacska. Given what little evidence we have, that would appear to be your village. It is 4 km straight-line distance northwest of Satoraljaujhely, Hungary.

                  SAVE the map on YOUR computer. OPEN the map in any graphics program. CUT and PRINT the relevant section of the map. Otherwise, you just get a corner. This map uses the Hungarian village names that you will likely find in church records.

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                • Bill Berry
                  Sorry, I should have mentioned all the information I do have.  I know what village in Hungary the Drengubas came from (Ruda-Banyacska).  I am mostly looking
                  Message 8 of 14 , Mar 3, 2010
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                    Sorry, I should have mentioned all the information I do have.  I know what village in Hungary the Drengubas came from (Ruda-Banyacska).  I am mostly looking for birth or marriage records from that particular village, I guess.
                    Thanks for the map info.  I'll check that out.

                    --- On Tue, 3/2/10, John <johnqadam@...> wrote:

                    From: John <johnqadam@...>
                    Subject: [S-R] Re: Drenguba, Busella
                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 1:17 PM
















                     









                    >>> Looking for information on Drenguba and Buselola families in Austria-Hungary prior to the turn of the 20th century. Particularly Josef Drenguba or Maria Busella. <<<



                    Ellis Island listings suggest the village name Ruda-Banyacska, Zemplen Megye = county.



                    1910 HUNGARIAN MAP

                    The old Hungarian map can be found at: http://lazarus. elte.hu/hun/ maps/1910/ zemplen.jpg



                    Look toward the bottom, in the pink area for SATORALJAUJHELY and then go a bit northwest to find Rudabanyacska. Given what little evidence we have, that would appear to be your village. It is 4 km straight-line distance northwest of Satoraljaujhely, Hungary.



                    SAVE the map on YOUR computer. OPEN the map in any graphics program. CUT and PRINT the relevant section of the map. Otherwise, you just get a corner. This map uses the Hungarian village names that you will likely find in church records.



























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                  • Bill Berry
                    I also have the ship passenger list showing Drenguba and Maria Busella.  However, that s all I have of Busella.  I assume she was from the same general area
                    Message 9 of 14 , Mar 3, 2010
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                      I also have the ship passenger list showing Drenguba and Maria Busella.  However, that's all I have of Busella.  I assume she was from the same general area as Drenguba.

                      --- On Tue, 3/2/10, John <johnqadam@...> wrote:

                      From: John <johnqadam@...>
                      Subject: [S-R] Re: Drenguba, Busella
                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 1:36 PM
















                       









                      >>> Looking for information on . . . Buselola families . . . or Maria Busella. <<<



                      What is the correct surname? Busela comes up on Ellis island. Where was she born?



























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                    • Bill Berry
                      Michael, the passenger list where I found Busella may have been misspelled.  I ll check it again to make sure of the spelling.  Sometimes it s hard to read
                      Message 10 of 14 , Mar 3, 2010
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                        Michael, the passenger list where I found Busella may have been misspelled.  I'll check it again to make sure of the spelling.  Sometimes it's hard to read those lists...

                        --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Michael Mojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:

                        From: Michael Mojher <mgmojher@...>
                        Subject: Re: [S-R] Drenguba, Busella
                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 1:38 PM
















                         









                        Bill,

                        In the 1995 Slovak Census there were no listing for Buselola or Busella. The offered alternative was Butella:

                        Priezvisko BUTELLA sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 4×, celkový pocet lokalít: 3, v lokalitách:

                        MOLDAVA NAD BODVOU, okr. KOSICE-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 KOSICE - OKOLIE) - 2×;

                        JUH (obec KOSICE), okr. KOSICE - 1×;

                        SEVER (obec KOSICE), okr. KOSICE - 1×;

                        In 1995 there were only 4 listing for Butella. Two in the town of Moldava nad Bodvou, Kosice District. And two in the city of Kosice in Kosice District. The Juh and Sever areas of the city of Kosice



                        Ellis Island had 14 listings for Butella. Five of them said they came from Balazser, Hungary. No luck finding it.



                        Priezvisko DRENGUBÁK sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 5×, celkový pocet lokalít: 2, v lokalitách:

                        KOSAROVCE, okr. VRANOV NAD TOPLOU (od r. 1996 HUMENNÉ) - 4×;

                        VÍTAZOVCE, okr. HUMENNÉ - 1×;

                        These two villages are very close to one another. They are near the reservoir Vodna Nadrz Velka Domasa northeast of Presov.

                        Kosarovce

                        county: Humenné



                        OLD NAMES of the village(town) : 1773 Kosarocz, Kossarowcze, 1786 Koscharóz, Koscharowce, 1808 Kosárócz, Kossárowce, 1863-1902 Kosaróc, 1907-1913 Kosárvágása, 1920 Kosiarovce, Kosarovce, 1927- Kosarovce



                        In 2008 one Drengubak and one Drengubakova were living here.



                        Ellis Island listings:



                        Drenguba, Josef 25 1867 1892 view view view view view

                        2 Drenguba, Jozsef R banyacska 39 1865 1904 view view view view view

                        3 Drenguba, Julia Rudobanyacska 17 1889 1906 view view view view view

                        4 Drengubak, Imre Vagdohnta, Hungary 28 1879 1907 view view view view view

                        5 Drengubak, Josef Kaurecsvayas 27 1874 1901 view view view view view



                        From: William B

                        Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:27 AM

                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com

                        Subject: [S-R] Drenguba, Busella



                        Looking for information on Drenguba and Buselola families in Austria-Hungary prior to the turn of the 20th century. Particularly Josef Drenguba or Maria Busella. Any help would be appreciated.



                        Thanks



                        Bill Berry



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                      • John
                        ... Please advise how the name was transcribed. What year? I can t see it on Ellis Island so I must be missing something.
                        Message 11 of 14 , Mar 3, 2010
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                          >>> I also have the ship passenger list showing . . . Maria Busella. <<<

                          Please advise how the name was transcribed. What year? I can't see it on Ellis Island so I must be missing something.
                        • Michael Mojher
                          Bill, The Slovak 1995 Census had no Busella listing. The alternative it gave was Butella, of which there were four living in Slovakia in 1995. Two lived in
                          Message 12 of 14 , Mar 3, 2010
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                            Bill,
                            The Slovak 1995 Census had no Busella listing. The alternative it gave was Butella, of which there were four living in Slovakia in 1995. Two lived in Moldava nad Bodvou and two lived in Kosice.
                            The Slovak 1995 Census had 5 Drenguba listings. There were four in Kosarovce and one in Vitazovce. They are close to one another.
                            At another website I found in Kosarovce in 2008 there was a couple with the name Drenguba living there.
                            Ellis Island had only 5 listings for Drenguba and Drengubak, 2 were from Rudabanyacska which is now:
                            Sátoraljaújhely (archaic German: Neustadt am Zeltberg (help·info); Slovak: Nové Mesto pod Šiatrom; Yiddish: איהעל (ihel) or אוהעלי (Oheley)) is a town located in Borsod-Abaúj-Zemplén county in northern Hungary near the Slovak border. It is 82 km (51 mi) east from the county capital Miskolc.


                            From: Bill Berry
                            Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:43 AM
                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [S-R] Drenguba, Busella



                            Michael, the passenger list where I found Busella may have been misspelled. I'll check it again to make sure of the spelling. Sometimes it's hard to read those lists...

                            --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Michael Mojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:

                            From: Michael Mojher <mgmojher@...>
                            Subject: Re: [S-R] Drenguba, Busella
                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 1:38 PM



                            Bill,

                            In the 1995 Slovak Census there were no listing for Buselola or Busella. The offered alternative was Butella:

                            Priezvisko BUTELLA sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 4×, celkový pocet lokalít: 3, v lokalitách:

                            MOLDAVA NAD BODVOU, okr. KOSICE-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 KOSICE - OKOLIE) - 2×;

                            JUH (obec KOSICE), okr. KOSICE - 1×;

                            SEVER (obec KOSICE), okr. KOSICE - 1×;

                            In 1995 there were only 4 listing for Butella. Two in the town of Moldava nad Bodvou, Kosice District. And two in the city of Kosice in Kosice District. The Juh and Sever areas of the city of Kosice

                            Ellis Island had 14 listings for Butella. Five of them said they came from Balazser, Hungary. No luck finding it.

                            Priezvisko DRENGUBÁK sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 5×, celkový pocet lokalít: 2, v lokalitách:

                            KOSAROVCE, okr. VRANOV NAD TOPLOU (od r. 1996 HUMENNÉ) - 4×;

                            VÍTAZOVCE, okr. HUMENNÉ - 1×;

                            These two villages are very close to one another. They are near the reservoir Vodna Nadrz Velka Domasa northeast of Presov.

                            Kosarovce

                            county: Humenné

                            OLD NAMES of the village(town) : 1773 Kosarocz, Kossarowcze, 1786 Koscharóz, Koscharowce, 1808 Kosárócz, Kossárowce, 1863-1902 Kosaróc, 1907-1913 Kosárvágása, 1920 Kosiarovce, Kosarovce, 1927- Kosarovce

                            In 2008 one Drengubak and one Drengubakova were living here.

                            Ellis Island listings:

                            Drenguba, Josef 25 1867 1892 view view view view view

                            2 Drenguba, Jozsef R banyacska 39 1865 1904 view view view view view

                            3 Drenguba, Julia Rudobanyacska 17 1889 1906 view view view view view

                            4 Drengubak, Imre Vagdohnta, Hungary 28 1879 1907 view view view view view

                            5 Drengubak, Josef Kaurecsvayas 27 1874 1901 view view view view view

                            From: William B

                            Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:27 AM

                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com

                            Subject: [S-R] Drenguba, Busella

                            Looking for information on Drenguba and Buselola families in Austria-Hungary prior to the turn of the 20th century. Particularly Josef Drenguba or Maria Busella. Any help would be appreciated.

                            Thanks

                            Bill Berry

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                          • Michael Mojher
                            Bill, Knowing that Rudabanyacska is present day Satoraljaujhely, Hungary means you are going to have to go to a Hungarian Archive to search for this branch of
                            Message 13 of 14 , Mar 3, 2010
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                              Bill,
                              Knowing that Rudabanyacska is present day Satoraljaujhely, Hungary means you are going to have to go to a Hungarian Archive to search for this branch of your family.
                              http://www.wideweb.hu/hungary/hungarians-abroad/genealogy this site has a list.


                              From: Bill Berry
                              Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:40 AM
                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Drenguba, Busella



                              I also have the ship passenger list showing Drenguba and Maria Busella. However, that's all I have of Busella. I assume she was from the same general area as Drenguba.

                              --- On Tue, 3/2/10, John <johnqadam@...> wrote:

                              From: John <johnqadam@...>
                              Subject: [S-R] Re: Drenguba, Busella
                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 1:36 PM



                              >>> Looking for information on . . . Buselola families . . . or Maria Busella. <<<

                              What is the correct surname? Busela comes up on Ellis island. Where was she born?

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