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  • Carl
    My family was Lutheran and I have hundreds of Lutheran church records of the Augsburg Confession and have never seen the designation of it as AK. It is
    Message 1 of 11 , Dec 4, 2009
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      My family was Lutheran and I have hundreds of Lutheran church records of the Augsburg Confession and have never seen the designation of it as AK. It is typically "ag" and/or "ev". Sorry, but I don't know where Bill got his information or if it is correct.

      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich" <bill.tarkulich@...> wrote:
      >
      > AK = Augsburg Confession
      >
      >
      > Bill
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
      > Behalf Of MaryLou
      > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:50 PM
      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [S-R] Readable images?
      >
      > I uploaded 2 pages of the Magyar census that I am trying to decipher. I
      > have written some notes on this page but cannot really see or translate what
      > the occupations and professions are. And this is the page with what looks
      > like AH as a religion. Can anyone tell me if that is correct?
      >
      > MaryLou
      >
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    • MaryLou
      Thanks. Also--sorry the image was upside down--am sending new copy! MaryLou ... From: Bill Tarkulich Date: 12/4/2009 8:36:47 PM To:
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        Thanks.
        Also--sorry the image was upside down--am sending new copy!
        MaryLou

        -------Original Message-------

        From: Bill Tarkulich
        Date: 12/4/2009 8:36:47 PM
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [S-R] Readable images?

        AK = Augsburg Confession


        Bill


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        Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:50 PM
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        Subject: [S-R] Readable images?

        I uploaded 2 pages of the Magyar census that I am trying to decipher. I
        have written some notes on this page but cannot really see or translate what
        the occupations and professions are. And this is the page with what looks
        like AH as a religion. Can anyone tell me if that is correct?

        MaryLou

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      • Ron
        I have also seen AK as Augsburg Kofession - Lutheran. It is common in the German at least. Ron PS. As a side note, if you encounter Konfirmation you are
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          I have also seen AK as Augsburg Kofession - Lutheran. It is common in the German at least.

          Ron
          PS. As a side note, if you encounter "Konfirmation" you are dealing with Evangelical (Protestant) records and with "Firmung" then Catholic records. German is one of the few languages that has these two different words for what we know in English as "confirmation".


          --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Carl" <kotlarchik@...> wrote:
          >
          > My family was Lutheran and I have hundreds of Lutheran church records of the Augsburg Confession and have never seen the designation of it as AK. It is typically "ag" and/or "ev". Sorry, but I don't know where Bill got his information or if it is correct.
          >
          > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich" <bill.tarkulich@> wrote:
          > >
          > > AK = Augsburg Confession
          > >
          > >
          > > Bill
          > >
          > >
          > > -----Original Message-----
          > > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
          > > Behalf Of MaryLou
          > > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:50 PM
          > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          > > Subject: [S-R] Readable images?
          > >
          > > I uploaded 2 pages of the Magyar census that I am trying to decipher. I
          > > have written some notes on this page but cannot really see or translate what
          > > the occupations and professions are. And this is the page with what looks
          > > like AH as a religion. Can anyone tell me if that is correct?
          > >
          > > MaryLou
          > >
          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          > >
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        • treimer@nycap.rr.com
          A.B., C.A. and A.C. would be the correct abbreviations for Lutherans in old Hungary, for Augsburger Bekenntniss in German(Augsburg Confession), and in Latin
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            A.B., C.A. and A.C. would be the correct abbreviations for Lutherans in old Hungary, for Augsburger Bekenntniss in German(Augsburg Confession), and in Latin Confessio Augustana/Augustana Confessio. With C pronounced like a K, perhaps the writer spelled it that way? The reformed were H.B. (Helvetisches Bekenntnis) or C.H./H.C. (Confessio Helvetica/Helvetica Confessio) since the articles adopted in Hungary originated in Switzerland.

            Thomas

            ---- Carl <kotlarchik@...> wrote:
            > My family was Lutheran and I have hundreds of Lutheran church records of the Augsburg Confession and have never seen the designation of it as AK. It is typically "ag" and/or "ev". Sorry, but I don't know where Bill got his information or if it is correct.
            >
            > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich" <bill.tarkulich@...> wrote:
            > >
            > > AK = Augsburg Confession
            > >
            > >
            > > Bill
            > >
            > >
            > > -----Original Message-----
            > > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
            > > Behalf Of MaryLou
            > > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:50 PM
            > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            > > Subject: [S-R] Readable images?
            > >
            > > I uploaded 2 pages of the Magyar census that I am trying to decipher. I
            > > have written some notes on this page but cannot really see or translate what
            > > the occupations and professions are. And this is the page with what looks
            > > like AH as a religion. Can anyone tell me if that is correct?
            > >
            > > MaryLou
            > >
            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            > >
            > >
            > >
          • MaryLou
            If you look at the image I posted in the folder Hanusovce, the abbreviation llisted looks more like AH than AK but I am not very familiar with this form of
            Message 5 of 11 , Dec 5, 2009
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              If you look at the image I posted in the folder Hanusovce, the abbreviation
              llisted looks more like AH than AK but I am not very familiar with this form
              of script.
              MaryLou

              -------Original Message-------

              From: treimer@...
              Date: 12/5/2009 1:14:38 PM
              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              Cc: Carl
              Subject: [S-R] AB Augsburger Bekenntnisses

              A.B., C.A. and A.C. would be the correct abbreviations for Lutherans in old
              Hungary, for Augsburger Bekenntniss in German(Augsburg Confession), and in
              Latin Confessio Augustana/Augustana Confessio. With C pronounced like a K,
              perhaps the writer spelled it that way? The reformed were H.B. (Helvetisches
              Bekenntnis) or C.H./H.C. (Confessio Helvetica/Helvetica Confessio) since the
              articles adopted in Hungary originated in Switzerland.

              Thomas

              ---- Carl <kotlarchik@...> wrote:
              > My family was Lutheran and I have hundreds of Lutheran church records of
              the Augsburg Confession and have never seen the designation of it as AK. It
              is typically "ag" and/or "ev". Sorry, but I don't know where Bill got his
              information or if it is correct.
              >
              > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich" <bill.tarkulich@...>
              wrote:
              > >
              > > AK = Augsburg Confession
              > >
              > >
              > > Bill
              > >
              > >
              > > -----Original Message-----
              > > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com]
              On
              > > Behalf Of MaryLou
              > > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:50 PM
              > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              > > Subject: [S-R] Readable images?
              > >
              > > I uploaded 2 pages of the Magyar census that I am trying to decipher. I
              > > have written some notes on this page but cannot really see or translate
              what
              > > the occupations and professions are. And this is the page with what
              looks
              > > like AH as a religion. Can anyone tell me if that is correct?
              > >
              > > MaryLou
              > >
              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > >
              > >
              > >



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            • Ben Sorensen
              Just looked at it, and Bill, unsurprisingly, is absolutely correct.   They are using a later form/ more latinized or latin influenced form of Gothic script,
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                Just looked at it, and Bill, unsurprisingly, is absolutely correct.   They are using a later form/ more latinized or latin influenced form of Gothic script, so small "r's" are going to look like "v." Also, K and H are going to be similar (Gothic makes a K and an R look very similar- you have to look for the "serif" at the top of the letter to be sure...), and they were definately using the abbreviation that Bill mentioned.
                If you reference that K with the H in Herman at the bottom, and you will see a difference in the "K" and "H" in this document.
                 Ben




                ________________________________
                From: MaryLou <mlvc@...>
                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 1:25:44 PM
                Subject: Re: [S-R] AB Augsburger Bekenntnisses

                 
                If you look at the image I posted in the folder Hanusovce, the abbreviation
                llisted looks more like AH than AK but I am not very familiar with this form
                of script.
                MaryLou

                -------Original Message----- --

                From: treimer@nycap. rr.com
                Date: 12/5/2009 1:14:38 PM
                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                Cc: Carl
                Subject: [S-R] AB Augsburger Bekenntnisses

                A.B., C.A. and A.C. would be the correct abbreviations for Lutherans in old
                Hungary, for Augsburger Bekenntniss in German(Augsburg Confession), and in
                Latin Confessio Augustana/Augustana Confessio. With C pronounced like a K,
                perhaps the writer spelled it that way? The reformed were H.B. (Helvetisches
                Bekenntnis) or C.H./H.C. (Confessio Helvetica/Helvetica Confessio) since the
                articles adopted in Hungary originated in Switzerland.

                Thomas

                ---- Carl <kotlarchik@zoominte rnet.net> wrote:
                > My family was Lutheran and I have hundreds of Lutheran church records of
                the Augsburg Confession and have never seen the designation of it as AK. It
                is typically "ag" and/or "ev". Sorry, but I don't know where Bill got his
                information or if it is correct.
                >
                > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill Tarkulich" <bill.tarkulich@ ...>
                wrote:
                > >
                > > AK = Augsburg Confession
                > >
                > >
                > > Bill
                > >
                > >
                > > -----Original Message-----
                > > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com]
                On
                > > Behalf Of MaryLou
                > > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:50 PM
                > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                > > Subject: [S-R] Readable images?
                > >
                > > I uploaded 2 pages of the Magyar census that I am trying to decipher. I
                > > have written some notes on this page but cannot really see or translate
                what
                > > the occupations and professions are. And this is the page with what
                looks
                > > like AH as a religion. Can anyone tell me if that is correct?
                > >
                > > MaryLou
                > >
                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > >
                > >
                > >



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              • Bill Tarkulich
                Things are not always as they appear. Congratulations Ben, you are developing some of that insight that is essential to this line of work. Most certainly,
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                  "Things are not always as they appear." Congratulations Ben, you are developing some of that insight that is essential to this line of work. Most certainly, in this case, archaic/obsolete/regional forms of handwriting are a major factor. Plus, an understanding of the forms of religion in a specific region is critical. While the above is certainly true of church records, it can equally be true of census. The person asked to take the census was often an "important" person in the village, a priest, minister or mayor.

                  I often pause and do not provide every line of detail, because I want each of you to take some time to pursue independent research. Lucky for us, the tools and information are all within your reach.

                  The other reason I pause is that each village and each scribe has intoned his (really, his) own spin on things. I cannot possible decode each of the more than 2,500 village scribes inner thinking or education. Remember, oftentimes each priest or minister is from and trained in a far-off monastery or seminary, and himself may not embrace the culture and education of the villages in which he ministers.

                  Ben's response demonstrates important insight, blending the cultural, geographic, religious and educational aspects into a unique revelation.

                  Remember also that Juraj Cisarak has a lot of information on priests.

                  Keep up the good work.

                  Regards,



                  Bill


                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Sorensen
                  Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:39 PM
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [S-R] AB Augsburger Bekenntnisses

                  Just looked at it, and Bill, unsurprisingly, is absolutely correct.�� They are using a later form/ more latinized or latin influenced form of Gothic script, so small "r's" are going to look like "v." Also, K and H are going to be similar (Gothic makes a K and an R look very similar- you have to look for the "serif" at the top of the letter to be sure...), and they were definately using the abbreviation that Bill mentioned.
                  If you reference that K with the H in Herman at the bottom, and you will see a difference in the "K" and "H" in this document.
                  �Ben




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                  From: MaryLou <mlvc@...>
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 1:25:44 PM
                  Subject: Re: [S-R] AB Augsburger Bekenntnisses


                  If you look at the image I posted in the folder Hanusovce, the abbreviation
                  llisted looks more like AH than AK but I am not very familiar with this form
                  of script.
                  MaryLou

                  -------Original Message----- --

                  From: treimer@nycap. rr.com
                  Date: 12/5/2009 1:14:38 PM
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                  Cc: Carl
                  Subject: [S-R] AB Augsburger Bekenntnisses

                  A.B., C.A. and A.C. would be the correct abbreviations for Lutherans in old
                  Hungary, for Augsburger Bekenntniss in German(Augsburg Confession), and in
                  Latin Confessio Augustana/Augustana Confessio. With C pronounced like a K,
                  perhaps the writer spelled it that way? The reformed were H.B. (Helvetisches
                  Bekenntnis) or C.H./H.C. (Confessio Helvetica/Helvetica Confessio) since the
                  articles adopted in Hungary originated in Switzerland.

                  Thomas

                  ---- Carl <kotlarchik@zoominte rnet.net> wrote:
                  > My family was Lutheran and I have hundreds of Lutheran church records of
                  the Augsburg Confession and have never seen the designation of it as AK. It
                  is typically "ag" and/or "ev". Sorry, but I don't know where Bill got his
                  information or if it is correct.
                  >
                  > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill Tarkulich" <bill.tarkulich@ ...>
                  wrote:
                  > >
                  > > AK = Augsburg Confession
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Bill
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > -----Original Message-----
                  > > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com]
                  On
                  > > Behalf Of MaryLou
                  > > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:50 PM
                  > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                  > > Subject: [S-R] Readable images?
                  > >
                  > > I uploaded 2 pages of the Magyar census that I am trying to decipher. I
                  > > have written some notes on this page but cannot really see or translate
                  what
                  > > the occupations and professions are. And this is the page with what
                  looks
                  > > like AH as a religion. Can anyone tell me if that is correct?
                  > >
                  > > MaryLou
                  > >
                  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >



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                • Ron
                  I just want to reiterate that AK remains a legitimate alternative to those Thomas has proposed. After reading his post I went to Google.de and checked it out.
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                    I just want to reiterate that AK remains a legitimate alternative to those Thomas has proposed. After reading his post I went to Google.de and checked it out. Between all of these postings on this topic, it is pretty well covered!

                    Ron

                    --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Just looked at it, and Bill, unsurprisingly, is absolutely correct.   They are using a later form/ more latinized or latin influenced form of Gothic script, so small "r's" are going to look like "v." Also, K and H are going to be similar (Gothic makes a K and an R look very similar- you have to look for the "serif" at the top of the letter to be sure...), and they were definately using the abbreviation that Bill mentioned.
                    > If you reference that K with the H in Herman at the bottom, and you will see a difference in the "K" and "H" in this document.
                    >  Ben
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ________________________________
                    > From: MaryLou <mlvc@...>
                    > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 1:25:44 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [S-R] AB Augsburger Bekenntnisses
                    >
                    >  
                    > If you look at the image I posted in the folder Hanusovce, the abbreviation
                    > llisted looks more like AH than AK but I am not very familiar with this form
                    > of script.
                    > MaryLou
                    >
                    > -------Original Message----- --
                    >
                    > From: treimer@nycap. rr.com
                    > Date: 12/5/2009 1:14:38 PM
                    > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                    > Cc: Carl
                    > Subject: [S-R] AB Augsburger Bekenntnisses
                    >
                    > A.B., C.A. and A.C. would be the correct abbreviations for Lutherans in old
                    > Hungary, for Augsburger Bekenntniss in German(Augsburg Confession), and in
                    > Latin Confessio Augustana/Augustana Confessio. With C pronounced like a K,
                    > perhaps the writer spelled it that way? The reformed were H.B. (Helvetisches
                    > Bekenntnis) or C.H./H.C. (Confessio Helvetica/Helvetica Confessio) since the
                    > articles adopted in Hungary originated in Switzerland.
                    >
                    > Thomas
                    >
                    > ---- Carl <kotlarchik@zoominte rnet.net> wrote:
                    > > My family was Lutheran and I have hundreds of Lutheran church records of
                    > the Augsburg Confession and have never seen the designation of it as AK. It
                    > is typically "ag" and/or "ev". Sorry, but I don't know where Bill got his
                    > information or if it is correct.
                    > >
                    > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill Tarkulich" <bill.tarkulich@ ...>
                    > wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > AK = Augsburg Confession
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Bill
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > -----Original Message-----
                    > > > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com]
                    > On
                    > > > Behalf Of MaryLou
                    > > > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:50 PM
                    > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                    > > > Subject: [S-R] Readable images?
                    > > >
                    > > > I uploaded 2 pages of the Magyar census that I am trying to decipher. I
                    > > > have written some notes on this page but cannot really see or translate
                    > what
                    > > > the occupations and professions are. And this is the page with what
                    > looks
                    > > > like AH as a religion. Can anyone tell me if that is correct?
                    > > >
                    > > > MaryLou
                    > > >
                    > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    >
                    >
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                  • Ben Sorensen
                     _Plus, an understanding of the forms of religion in a specific region is critical. While the above is certainly true of church records, it can equally be
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                       _Plus, an understanding of the forms of religion in a specific region is critical. While the above is certainly true of church records, it can equally be true of census._


                      Thank you Bill, I am seeing that my Historiology class (German and Slavic Genealogy) is not going to waste. :-) I should also point out that the understanding of the area has a "dead giveaway:" The most common forms of religion found there are LISTED IN THE HEADING. :-) It isn't always so easy, but one should also "be aware of his surroundings."

                      This almost Gothic script shows two things- the person was familiar with Latin and had some Germanic-influenced schooling. I am glad that we are not deciphering English Secretary script.... that is far worse than Latin, fraktur, gothic....

                      Ben


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                      From: Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@...>
                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 5:20:23 PM
                      Subject: RE: [S-R] AB Augsburger Bekenntnisses

                       
                      "Things are not always as they appear." Congratulations Ben, you are developing some of that insight that is essential to this line of work. Most certainly, in this case, archaic/obsolete/ regional forms of handwriting are a major factor. Plus, an understanding of the forms of religion in a specific region is critical. While the above is certainly true of church records, it can equally be true of census. The person asked to take the census was often an "important" person in the village, a priest, minister or mayor.

                      I often pause and do not provide every line of detail, because I want each of you to take some time to pursue independent research. Lucky for us, the tools and information are all within your reach.

                      The other reason I pause is that each village and each scribe has intoned his (really, his) own spin on things. I cannot possible decode each of the more than 2,500 village scribes inner thinking or education. Remember, oftentimes each priest or minister is from and trained in a far-off monastery or seminary, and himself may not embrace the culture and education of the villages in which he ministers.

                      Ben's response demonstrates important insight, blending the cultural, geographic, religious and educational aspects into a unique revelation.

                      Remember also that Juraj Cisarak has a lot of information on priests.

                      Keep up the good work.

                      Regards,

                      Bill

                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ben Sorensen
                      Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:39 PM
                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                      Subject: Re: [S-R] AB Augsburger Bekenntnisses

                      Just looked at it, and Bill, unsurprisingly, is absolutely correct.�� They are using a later form/ more latinized or latin influenced form of Gothic script, so small "r's" are going to look like "v." Also, K and H are going to be similar (Gothic makes a K and an R look very similar- you have to look for the "serif" at the top of the letter to be sure...), and they were definately using the abbreviation that Bill mentioned.
                      If you reference that K with the H in Herman at the bottom, and you will see a difference in the "K" and "H" in this document.
                      �Ben

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                      From: MaryLou <mlvc@earthlink. net>
                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                      Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 1:25:44 PM
                      Subject: Re: [S-R] AB Augsburger Bekenntnisses


                      If you look at the image I posted in the folder Hanusovce, the abbreviation
                      llisted looks more like AH than AK but I am not very familiar with this form
                      of script.
                      MaryLou

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                      From: treimer@nycap. rr.com
                      Date: 12/5/2009 1:14:38 PM
                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                      Cc: Carl
                      Subject: [S-R] AB Augsburger Bekenntnisses

                      A.B., C.A. and A.C. would be the correct abbreviations for Lutherans in old
                      Hungary, for Augsburger Bekenntniss in German(Augsburg Confession), and in
                      Latin Confessio Augustana/Augustana Confessio. With C pronounced like a K,
                      perhaps the writer spelled it that way? The reformed were H.B. (Helvetisches
                      Bekenntnis) or C.H./H.C. (Confessio Helvetica/Helvetica Confessio) since the
                      articles adopted in Hungary originated in Switzerland.

                      Thomas

                      ---- Carl <kotlarchik@ zoominte rnet.net> wrote:
                      > My family was Lutheran and I have hundreds of Lutheran church records of
                      the Augsburg Confession and have never seen the designation of it as AK. It
                      is typically "ag" and/or "ev". Sorry, but I don't know where Bill got his
                      information or if it is correct.
                      >
                      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill Tarkulich" <bill.tarkulich@ ...>
                      wrote:
                      > >
                      > > AK = Augsburg Confession
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Bill
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > -----Original Message-----
                      > > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK- ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com]
                      On
                      > > Behalf Of MaryLou
                      > > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:50 PM
                      > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                      > > Subject: [S-R] Readable images?
                      > >
                      > > I uploaded 2 pages of the Magyar census that I am trying to decipher. I
                      > > have written some notes on this page but cannot really see or translate
                      what
                      > > the occupations and professions are. And this is the page with what
                      looks
                      > > like AH as a religion. Can anyone tell me if that is correct?
                      > >
                      > > MaryLou
                      > >
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                      > >
                      > >
                      > >

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