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  • MaryLou
    Wow! This is wonderful. I am so glad I joined this list--you all are very helpful and the knowledge base is incredible. MaryLou ... From: Bill Tarkulich Date:
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      Wow! This is wonderful. I am so glad I joined this list--you all are very
      helpful and the knowledge base is incredible.

      MaryLou

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      From: Bill Tarkulich
      Date: 12/4/2009 12:53:31 PM
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [S-R] My visit to the Family History Center Hanusovce - 1869
      census

      Here is another map from 1933. Your village is in the lower left quadrant
      of the map. It was created by the then-government of Poland. (sad).
      http://tinyurl.com/yh9f5g3
      You will see houses dotting the streets. The village was on a trade route.
      Bill


      On Fri, December 4, 2009 9:08 am, Bill Tarkulich wrote:
      > For small villages, usually in a long row along the main road, both sides
      > of the street. Chances are, with over 1,000 residents, there would be a
      > few other streets. That's pretty much what you see today on a
      > contemporary map.
      >
      > Here is a contemporary map with houses/clusters marked.
      > http://tinyurl.com/yftdfqv
      >
      >
      >
      > On Fri, December 4, 2009 8:20 am, treimer@... wrote:
      >> Hi Marylou,
      >>
      >> Your email went only to me.
      >> ---- MaryLou <mlvc@...> wrote:
      >>> That is interesting--hadn't thought about the problem of kosher food
      >>> especially since no kitchen is marked on the census form.
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> Does anyone know how these villages were laid out? I was thinking it
      >>> might
      >>> be interesting to map out the families. Hanusovce has a webpage so I
      >>> might
      >>> try to find a village map.
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> MaryLou
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> -------Original Message-------
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> From: treimer@...
      >>>
      >>> Date: 12/3/2009 3:32:30 PM
      >>>
      >>> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      >>>
      >>> Cc: MaryLou
      >>>
      >>> Subject: RE: [S-R] My visit to the Family History Center Hanusovce -
      >>> 1869
      >>> census
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> Marylou,
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> In the Zipser German villages, like Eisdorf/Zakovce, while the cottager
      >>> homes would be small, the farm houses were large, enclosing a inner
      >>> courtyard. While there was usually only one kitchen, because of the
      >>> difficulty of inserting new chimneys, the arrangement otherwise allowed
      >>> 4 or
      >>> 5 families to live in the farmhouse, just occupying one or two rooms
      >>> each.
      >>> These were usually related, but I guess that if needed, a rent paying
      >>> Jewish
      >>> tenant was welcome, too.
      >>>
      >>> The only problem would have been the kitchen, as the families kinda
      >>> shared/had their time slot. Charcoal does not have to be kosher, but if
      >>> the
      >>> family had just killed a pig and was enjoying Blutwurst, while the
      >>> Jewish
      >>> lady was trying to cook kosher, there could be conflicts. Both sides
      >>> were
      >>> probably not extreme in their religious views. I'm not familiar with
      >>> Henschau/Hannsdorf (Hanusovce), though.
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> Thomas
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> ---- MaryLou <mlvc@...> wrote:
      >>>
      >>> > Bill
      >>>
      >>> > I was trying to envision the type of cottage or house this would be
      >>> and
      >>> with
      >>>
      >>> > 2 entirely different families, I wondered if it was something like a
      >>> duplex
      >>>
      >>> > or if the rooms all were joined. Oh, they owned 2 "horned" cows in
      >>> the
      >>>
      >>> > other breeds category.
      >>>
      >>> > I knew there was a Jewish population in the area and I have often
      >>> thought
      >>> we
      >>>
      >>> > have some Jewish ancestors. One reason I found this household
      >>> interesting
      >>>
      >>> > was based on my father's attitudes towards Jews--he was a total
      >>> bigot--He
      >>>
      >>> > hated Jews, Italians, Polish, and any other group of people who were
      >>>
      >>> > different from him. Because of his bigotry, I always thought it
      >>> would
      >>> be
      >>>
      >>> > ironic to show how senseless his hatred was.
      >>>
      >>> >
      >>>
      >>> > MaryLou
      >>>
      >>> >
      >>>
      >>> > -------Original Message-------
      >>>
      >>> >
      >>>
      >>> > From: Bill Tarkulich
      >>>
      >>> > Date: 12/3/2009 11:54:09 AM
      >>>
      >>> > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      >>>
      >>> > Subject: RE: [S-R] My visit to the Family History Center Hanusovce -
      >>> 1869
      >>>
      >>> > census
      >>>
      >>> >
      >>>
      >>> > MaryLou,
      >>>
      >>> >
      >>>
      >>> > Every village paints a different personality. They have different
      >>> customs
      >>>
      >>> > and traditions. It would serve you greatly to go back to the census
      >>> and
      >>>
      >>> > look at the rest of the houses and see what kind of trends you can
      >>> deduce.
      >>>
      >>> >
      >>>
      >>> > I can tell you a bit about small villages however. They were poor.
      >>> Most
      >>>
      >>> > of them were really poor. "Duplex" was not something found in rural
      >>>
      >>> > villages 140 years ago. People lived together either because they
      >>> had
      >>> to,
      >>>
      >>> > or because they employed hired help. Often, "hired help" was one or
      >>> two
      >>>
      >>> > individuals, not usually an entire family. The first entrant on the
      >>>
      >>> > census was the property owner. You often found other relatives,
      >>>
      >>> > especially married-ins living with them. What you don't note is the
      >>>
      >>> > number and type of animals they kept - this was the true measure of a
      >>>
      >>> > peasants "wealth" not the house or outbuildings. That's why an
      >>> entire
      >>>
      >>> > page was devoted to it.
      >>>
      >>> >
      >>>
      >>> > I'm not going to comment too much on the church designations without
      >>>
      >>> > seeing them, only to "guess" that maybe it was a notation for
      >>> "Augsburg
      >>>
      >>> > Confession" later known as Evangelical or Lutheran, today known in
      >>>
      >>> > Slovakia as "Slovenska evanjelicka cirkev augsburskeho vyznania"
      >>> (Slovak
      >>>
      >>> > Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession)
      >>>
      >>> >
      >>>
      >>> >
      >>>
      >>> > On Thu, December 3, 2009 9:07 am, MaryLou wrote:
      >>>
      >>> > > I have been using your webpage to help in the translation of the
      >>>
      >>> > > categories
      >>>
      >>> > > but I am having problems deciphering some of the entries especially
      >>> under
      >>>
      >>> > > occupation and profession.
      >>>
      >>> > > I did find something interesting.
      >>>
      >>> > > My gg grandparents with 7 children lived in a house with 2 rooms on
      >>> the
      >>>
      >>> > > ground floor, 2 sleeping rooms, 2 pantries or storage rooms. The
      >>> house
      >>> had
      >>>
      >>> > > 2
      >>>
      >>> > > closets but also a shed attached to the house and 2-3 other
      >>>
      >>> > > sheds/barns/stalls. What is interesting--my ancestors are listed
      >>> as
      >>> the
      >>>
      >>> > > first family with a Jewish family as the 2nd. Almost sounds like a
      >>>
      >>> > > duplex,
      >>>
      >>> > > doesn't it?
      >>>
      >>> > > I can't read the religion listed for my ancestors--I know most of
      >>> them
      >>>
      >>> > > were
      >>>
      >>> > > Lutheran--but the abbreviation looks like: AH
      >>>
      >>> > > I couldn't find a comparable abbreviation so I am probably
      >>> misreading
      >>> the
      >>>
      >>> > > handwriting.
      >>>
      >>> > > I may scan a few of the pages and upload to the files section so I
      >>> can
      >>> ask
      >>>
      >>> > > some of the rest of you if you can read the info.
      >>>
      >>> > >
      >>>
      >>> > > MaryLou
      >>>
      >>> >
      >>>
      >>> >
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