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  • Michael Mojher
    In the November 2009 issue of Discover magazine Boonsri Dickinson wrote an article: 3 faces of Eve . Our reporter tries out a trio of genetic tests to find
    Message 1 of 14 , Nov 18, 2009
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      In the November 2009 issue of Discover magazine Boonsri Dickinson wrote an article: "3 faces of Eve". "Our reporter tries out a trio of genetic tests to find out what they can tell her about her identity and her ancestry."
      The three tests:
      The Genographic Project - "Testing My Maternal Ancestry" ($99.95, www.genographic.nationalgeographic.com)
      Family Tree DNA - "Examining my Father's Y Chromosome" ($109 - $557, www.familytreedna.com, author took $119 Y chromosome test.)
      23andMe - Scanning for Genome-Wide Associations ($399, www.23andme.com )

      I have taken the Genographic Project test and the Family Tree DNA Y chromosome 37 marker tests.
      The article runs for three pages. At the moment there is no link to it at the Discovery magazine website. Possibly next month.

      The first sentence of the last paragraph may be enough for many of you, "Clearly I had hoped for too much for the ancestry tests." For those of you who want to learn more about these tests, read the article.
      Michael Mojher


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    • Ron
      Thanks for posting, Michael. I have the magazine in our local library & mean to read the article. My own attitude is that I never expected much more from
      Message 2 of 14 , Nov 18, 2009
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        Thanks for posting, Michael. I have the magazine in our local library & mean to read the article. My own attitude is that I never expected much more from DNA that one can gain from reading about blood type distribution. So I have to say my expectations have been exceeded; it really appears DNA furnishes a more precise set of generalities than does blood type.

        Oh, I just did the 12 point test so my generalities are very general!

        ;->
        Ron

        --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@...> wrote:
        >
        > In the November 2009 issue of Discover magazine Boonsri Dickinson wrote an article: "3 faces of Eve". "Our reporter tries out a trio of genetic tests to find out what they can tell her about her identity and her ancestry."
        > The three tests:
        > The Genographic Project - "Testing My Maternal Ancestry" ($99.95, www.genographic.nationalgeographic.com)
        > Family Tree DNA - "Examining my Father's Y Chromosome" ($109 - $557, www.familytreedna.com, author took $119 Y chromosome test.)
        > 23andMe - Scanning for Genome-Wide Associations ($399, www.23andme.com )
        >
        > I have taken the Genographic Project test and the Family Tree DNA Y chromosome 37 marker tests.
        > The article runs for three pages. At the moment there is no link to it at the Discovery magazine website. Possibly next month.
        >
        > The first sentence of the last paragraph may be enough for many of you, "Clearly I had hoped for too much for the ancestry tests." For those of you who want to learn more about these tests, read the article.
        > Michael Mojher
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
      • genisearcher
        Here is link to article: http://discovermagazine.com/2008/sep/20-how-much-can-you-learn-from-a-home-dna-test
        Message 3 of 14 , Nov 19, 2009
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          Here is link to article:

          http://discovermagazine.com/2008/sep/20-how-much-can-you-learn-from-a-home-dna-test

          --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@...> wrote:
          >
          > In the November 2009 issue of Discover magazine Boonsri Dickinson wrote an article: "3 faces of Eve". "Our reporter tries out a trio of genetic tests to find out what they can tell her about her identity and her ancestry."
          > The three tests:
          > The Genographic Project - "Testing My Maternal Ancestry" ($99.95, www.genographic.nationalgeographic.com)
          > Family Tree DNA - "Examining my Father's Y Chromosome" ($109 - $557, www.familytreedna.com, author took $119 Y chromosome test.)
          > 23andMe - Scanning for Genome-Wide Associations ($399, www.23andme.com )
          >
          > I have taken the Genographic Project test and the Family Tree DNA Y chromosome 37 marker tests.
          > The article runs for three pages. At the moment there is no link to it at the Discovery magazine website. Possibly next month.
          >
          > The first sentence of the last paragraph may be enough for many of you, "Clearly I had hoped for too much for the ancestry tests." For those of you who want to learn more about these tests, read the article.
          > Michael Mojher
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
        • Michael Mojher
          That is an article from 2008. The one I wrote of is in the newest (Nov. 2009) issue of Discover. From: genisearcher Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:50 AM
          Message 4 of 14 , Nov 19, 2009
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            That is an article from 2008. The one I wrote of is in the newest (Nov. 2009) issue of Discover.


            From: genisearcher
            Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:50 AM
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried



            Here is link to article:

            http://discovermagazine.com/2008/sep/20-how-much-can-you-learn-from-a-home-dna-test

            --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@...> wrote:
            >
            > In the November 2009 issue of Discover magazine Boonsri Dickinson wrote an article: "3 faces of Eve". "Our reporter tries out a trio of genetic tests to find out what they can tell her about her identity and her ancestry."
            > The three tests:
            > The Genographic Project - "Testing My Maternal Ancestry" ($99.95, www.genographic.nationalgeographic.com)
            > Family Tree DNA - "Examining my Father's Y Chromosome" ($109 - $557, www.familytreedna.com, author took $119 Y chromosome test.)
            > 23andMe - Scanning for Genome-Wide Associations ($399, www.23andme.com )
            >
            > I have taken the Genographic Project test and the Family Tree DNA Y chromosome 37 marker tests.
            > The article runs for three pages. At the moment there is no link to it at the Discovery magazine website. Possibly next month.
            >
            > The first sentence of the last paragraph may be enough for many of you, "Clearly I had hoped for too much for the ancestry tests." For those of you who want to learn more about these tests, read the article.
            > Michael Mojher
            >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >





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          • nilo3rak
            Genetic testing can be exciting. I found that the results from the Genogrpahic Project were pretty worthless. Therefore, I had to spring for more money.
            Message 5 of 14 , Nov 20, 2009
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              Genetic testing can be exciting. I found that the results from the Genogrpahic Project were pretty worthless. Therefore, I had to spring for more money. Eureka! found a 67 marker match on my paternal side. Geographically it is right on, although he says Rusyn and my side says Slovak. And, yeah, most matches with Polish, Ukraine, and Beloruss DNA. There is now a new test and a new marker for us eastern Slavs. We shall see what that result yields.

              Complete test of over 16,000 base pairs of mitochondrial DNA done, I and have 2 matches, right in the geographical area of the Polish plain north of the Carpathians(old Galicia) and old Arva county.

              These "heavy-duty" DNA are being done by FAmily Tree DNA. I am not drumming up business for them, but they do have a very large data base of results, lots of geographical projects, and lots of surname projects.

              I also went for the full DNA testing at 23 and me. Although they do the genealogical testing (it agrees with FAmily Tree results), I was more interested in the genetic results for disease probabilities. Results so far have been as I expected, with a few pleasant surprises.

              Whatever any of you decide to do with all this DNA testing it is very worthwhile from a personal and genealogical and scientific perspective. If you add your results to the mix you may find near and distant relatives, you may add to the understanding of the origin of our Slavic/IndoEuropean ancestors, their migration patterns, their physical traits including everything from eye color to disease resistance and susceptibility. In short, I am encouraging all of you to do as much DNA testing as possible within your own comfort zones and budgets.

              Carolyn Harmon



              --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <amiak27@...> wrote:
              >
              > Thanks for posting, Michael. I have the magazine in our louocal library & mean to read the article. My own attitude is that I never expected much more from DNA that one can gain from reading about blood type distribution. So I have to say my expectations have been exceeded; it really appears DNA furnishes a more precise set of generalities than does blood type.
              >
              > Oh, I just did the 12 point test so my generalities are very general!
              >
              > ;->
              > Ron
              >
              > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@> wrote:
              > >
              > > In the November 2009 issue of Discover magazine Boonsri Dickinson wrote an article: "3 faces of Eve". "Our reporter tries out a trio of genetic tests to find out what they can tell her about her identity and her ancestry."
              > > The three tests:
              > > The Genographic Project - "Testing My Maternal Ancestry" ($99.95, www.genographic.nationalgeographic.com)
              > > Family Tree DNA - "Examining my Father's Y Chromosome" ($109 - $557, www.familytreedna.com, author took $119 Y chromosome test.)
              > > 23andMe - Scanning for Genome-Wide Associations ($399, www.23andme.com )
              > >
              > > I have taken the Genographic Project test and the Family Tree DNA Y chromosome 37 marker tests.
              > > The article runs for three pages. At the moment there is no link to it at the Discovery magazine website. Possibly next month.
              > >
              > > The first sentence of the last paragraph may be enough for many of you, "Clearly I had hoped for too much for the ancestry tests." For those of you who want to learn more about these tests, read the article.
              > > Michael Mojher
              > >
              > >
              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > >
              >
            • Margaret Hicks
              I had my maternal DNA test done through Family Tree and it came back pretty much telling me nothing. Told when my group came into Europe and that I am a Saami
              Message 6 of 14 , Dec 2, 2009
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                I had my maternal DNA test done through Family Tree and it came back pretty much telling me nothing. Told when my group came into Europe and that I am a Saami Laplander and that was it. Very disappointed and a waste of $184.00

                Margaret Hicks


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: nilo3rak
                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:19 PM
                Subject: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried



                Genetic testing can be exciting. I found that the results from the Genogrpahic Project were pretty worthless. Therefore, I had to spring for more money. Eureka! found a 67 marker match on my paternal side. Geographically it is right on, although he says Rusyn and my side says Slovak. And, yeah, most matches with Polish, Ukraine, and Beloruss DNA. There is now a new test and a new marker for us eastern Slavs. We shall see what that result yields.

                Complete test of over 16,000 base pairs of mitochondrial DNA done, I and have 2 matches, right in the geographical area of the Polish plain north of the Carpathians(old Galicia) and old Arva county.

                These "heavy-duty" DNA are being done by FAmily Tree DNA. I am not drumming up business for them, but they do have a very large data base of results, lots of geographical projects, and lots of surname projects.

                I also went for the full DNA testing at 23 and me. Although they do the genealogical testing (it agrees with FAmily Tree results), I was more interested in the genetic results for disease probabilities. Results so far have been as I expected, with a few pleasant surprises.

                Whatever any of you decide to do with all this DNA testing it is very worthwhile from a personal and genealogical and scientific perspective. If you add your results to the mix you may find near and distant relatives, you may add to the understanding of the origin of our Slavic/IndoEuropean ancestors, their migration patterns, their physical traits including everything from eye color to disease resistance and susceptibility. In short, I am encouraging all of you to do as much DNA testing as possible within your own comfort zones and budgets.

                Carolyn Harmon

                --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <amiak27@...> wrote:
                >
                > Thanks for posting, Michael. I have the magazine in our louocal library & mean to read the article. My own attitude is that I never expected much more from DNA that one can gain from reading about blood type distribution. So I have to say my expectations have been exceeded; it really appears DNA furnishes a more precise set of generalities than does blood type.
                >
                > Oh, I just did the 12 point test so my generalities are very general!
                >
                > ;->
                > Ron
                >
                > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@> wrote:
                > >
                > > In the November 2009 issue of Discover magazine Boonsri Dickinson wrote an article: "3 faces of Eve". "Our reporter tries out a trio of genetic tests to find out what they can tell her about her identity and her ancestry."
                > > The three tests:
                > > The Genographic Project - "Testing My Maternal Ancestry" ($99.95, www.genographic.nationalgeographic.com)
                > > Family Tree DNA - "Examining my Father's Y Chromosome" ($109 - $557, www.familytreedna.com, author took $119 Y chromosome test.)
                > > 23andMe - Scanning for Genome-Wide Associations ($399, www.23andme.com )
                > >
                > > I have taken the Genographic Project test and the Family Tree DNA Y chromosome 37 marker tests.
                > > The article runs for three pages. At the moment there is no link to it at the Discovery magazine website. Possibly next month.
                > >
                > > The first sentence of the last paragraph may be enough for many of you, "Clearly I had hoped for too much for the ancestry tests." For those of you who want to learn more about these tests, read the article.
                > > Michael Mojher
                > >
                > >
                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > >
                >





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              • Margaret Hicks
                I had the Ancestry.com DNA maternal test done and was very upset with the results, it basically said 16,000 years ago some people, Saami s, came into Europe
                Message 7 of 14 , Jan 7, 2010
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                  I had the Ancestry.com DNA maternal test done and was very upset with the results, it basically said 16,000 years ago some people, Saami's, came into Europe and that was it. The actual test was done by 23 and me. I have talked to them and Ancestry, Ancestry tells me that the maternal DNA test shows very little because maternal has a long memory?? and is to vague and that paternal is the best and gets better results. Of course in their info to sell the testing they don't mention this so $190+ was a total waste and I can't afford to have it done again with another company.

                  I am surprised that this writer had such good results. I might as well line the bird cage with the results, they tell me nothing

                  Any coments on how one persons gets such great results and I get excuses about mine telling nothing?

                  Thanks for listening
                  Margaret Hicks


                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: nilo3rak
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:19 PM
                  Subject: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried



                  Genetic testing can be exciting. I found that the results from the Genogrpahic Project were pretty worthless. Therefore, I had to spring for more money. Eureka! found a 67 marker match on my paternal side. Geographically it is right on, although he says Rusyn and my side says Slovak. And, yeah, most matches with Polish, Ukraine, and Beloruss DNA. There is now a new test and a new marker for us eastern Slavs. We shall see what that result yields.

                  Complete test of over 16,000 base pairs of mitochondrial DNA done, I and have 2 matches, right in the geographical area of the Polish plain north of the Carpathians(old Galicia) and old Arva county.

                  These "heavy-duty" DNA are being done by FAmily Tree DNA. I am not drumming up business for them, but they do have a very large data base of results, lots of geographical projects, and lots of surname projects.

                  I also went for the full DNA testing at 23 and me. Although they do the genealogical testing (it agrees with FAmily Tree results), I was more interested in the genetic results for disease probabilities. Results so far have been as I expected, with a few pleasant surprises.

                  Whatever any of you decide to do with all this DNA testing it is very worthwhile from a personal and genealogical and scientific perspective. If you add your results to the mix you may find near and distant relatives, you may add to the understanding of the origin of our Slavic/IndoEuropean ancestors, their migration patterns, their physical traits including everything from eye color to disease resistance and susceptibility. In short, I am encouraging all of you to do as much DNA testing as possible within your own comfort zones and budgets.

                  Carolyn Harmon

                  --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <amiak27@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Thanks for posting, Michael. I have the magazine in our louocal library & mean to read the article. My own attitude is that I never expected much more from DNA that one can gain from reading about blood type distribution. So I have to say my expectations have been exceeded; it really appears DNA furnishes a more precise set of generalities than does blood type.
                  >
                  > Oh, I just did the 12 point test so my generalities are very general!
                  >
                  > ;->
                  > Ron
                  >
                  > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > In the November 2009 issue of Discover magazine Boonsri Dickinson wrote an article: "3 faces of Eve". "Our reporter tries out a trio of genetic tests to find out what they can tell her about her identity and her ancestry."
                  > > The three tests:
                  > > The Genographic Project - "Testing My Maternal Ancestry" ($99.95, www.genographic.nationalgeographic.com)
                  > > Family Tree DNA - "Examining my Father's Y Chromosome" ($109 - $557, www.familytreedna.com, author took $119 Y chromosome test.)
                  > > 23andMe - Scanning for Genome-Wide Associations ($399, www.23andme.com )
                  > >
                  > > I have taken the Genographic Project test and the Family Tree DNA Y chromosome 37 marker tests.
                  > > The article runs for three pages. At the moment there is no link to it at the Discovery magazine website. Possibly next month.
                  > >
                  > > The first sentence of the last paragraph may be enough for many of you, "Clearly I had hoped for too much for the ancestry tests." For those of you who want to learn more about these tests, read the article.
                  > > Michael Mojher
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  > >
                  >





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                • Janet Kozlay
                  I don t know enough about DNA testing to answer your questions, but identifying Saami in your maternal line might be more interesting than you think. The Saami
                  Message 8 of 14 , Jan 7, 2010
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                    I don't know enough about DNA testing to answer your questions, but
                    identifying Saami in your maternal line might be more interesting than you
                    think. The Saami live in northern Finland and Norway, what we used to call
                    Lapland, and their language belongs to the Finno-Ugric group. Hungarian is
                    also a member of this language group. It is hypothesized that an ancient
                    people from east of the Urals eventually split, some going north (to
                    Finland), others going southwest and eventually ending up in Hungary. So it
                    may be that your maternal ancestors belonged to the original Hungarian
                    settlers over 1000 years ago. I am not an expert in this field, but Saami
                    did catch my eye.



                    Janet





                    _____

                    From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                    Behalf Of Margaret Hicks
                    Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:18 PM
                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried





                    I had the Ancestry.com DNA maternal test done and was very upset with the
                    results, it basically said 16,000 years ago some people, Saami's, came into
                    Europe and that was it. The actual test was done by 23 and me. I have talked
                    to them and Ancestry, Ancestry tells me that the maternal DNA test shows
                    very little because maternal has a long memory?? and is to vague and that
                    paternal is the best and gets better results. Of course in their info to
                    sell the testing they don't mention this so $190+ was a total waste and I
                    can't afford to have it done again with another company.

                    I am surprised that this writer had such good results. I might as well line
                    the bird cage with the results, they tell me nothing

                    Any coments on how one persons gets such great results and I get excuses
                    about mine telling nothing?

                    Thanks for listening
                    Margaret Hicks

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: nilo3rak
                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:19 PM
                    Subject: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried

                    Genetic testing can be exciting. I found that the results from the
                    Genogrpahic Project were pretty worthless. Therefore, I had to spring for
                    more money. Eureka! found a 67 marker match on my paternal side.
                    Geographically it is right on, although he says Rusyn and my side says
                    Slovak. And, yeah, most matches with Polish, Ukraine, and Beloruss DNA.
                    There is now a new test and a new marker for us eastern Slavs. We shall see
                    what that result yields.

                    Complete test of over 16,000 base pairs of mitochondrial DNA done, I and
                    have 2 matches, right in the geographical area of the Polish plain north of
                    the Carpathians(old Galicia) and old Arva county.

                    These "heavy-duty" DNA are being done by FAmily Tree DNA. I am not drumming
                    up business for them, but they do have a very large data base of results,
                    lots of geographical projects, and lots of surname projects.

                    I also went for the full DNA testing at 23 and me. Although they do the
                    genealogical testing (it agrees with FAmily Tree results), I was more
                    interested in the genetic results for disease probabilities. Results so far
                    have been as I expected, with a few pleasant surprises.

                    Whatever any of you decide to do with all this DNA testing it is very
                    worthwhile from a personal and genealogical and scientific perspective. If
                    you add your results to the mix you may find near and distant relatives, you
                    may add to the understanding of the origin of our Slavic/IndoEuropean
                    ancestors, their migration patterns, their physical traits including
                    everything from eye color to disease resistance and susceptibility. In
                    short, I am encouraging all of you to do as much DNA testing as possible
                    within your own comfort zones and budgets.

                    Carolyn Harmon

                    --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                    yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <amiak27@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Thanks for posting, Michael. I have the magazine in our louocal library &
                    mean to read the article. My own attitude is that I never expected much more
                    from DNA that one can gain from reading about blood type distribution. So I
                    have to say my expectations have been exceeded; it really appears DNA
                    furnishes a more precise set of generalities than does blood type.
                    >
                    > Oh, I just did the 12 point test so my generalities are very general!
                    >
                    > ;->
                    > Ron
                    >
                    > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                    yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > In the November 2009 issue of Discover magazine Boonsri Dickinson wrote
                    an article: "3 faces of Eve". "Our reporter tries out a trio of genetic
                    tests to find out what they can tell her about her identity and her
                    ancestry."
                    > > The three tests:
                    > > The Genographic Project - "Testing My Maternal Ancestry" ($99.95,
                    www.genographic.nationalgeographic.com)
                    > > Family Tree DNA - "Examining my Father's Y Chromosome" ($109 - $557,
                    www.familytreedna.com, author took $119 Y chromosome test.)
                    > > 23andMe - Scanning for Genome-Wide Associations ($399, www.23andme.com )

                    > >
                    > > I have taken the Genographic Project test and the Family Tree DNA Y
                    chromosome 37 marker tests.
                    > > The article runs for three pages. At the moment there is no link to it
                    at the Discovery magazine website. Possibly next month.
                    > >
                    > > The first sentence of the last paragraph may be enough for many of you,
                    "Clearly I had hoped for too much for the ancestry tests." For those of you
                    who want to learn more about these tests, read the article.
                    > > Michael Mojher
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    > >
                    >

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                  • Margo Smith
                    I have not had any DNA testing done, but I have been and am tempted.  In a nutshell: Margaret s maternal test looks at mitochondrial DNA.  What you
                    Message 9 of 14 , Jan 7, 2010
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                      I have not had any DNA testing done, but I have been and am tempted.  In a nutshell:

                      Margaret's maternal test looks at mitochondrial DNA.  What you (regardless of sex) inherit from your mother, mother's mother, mother's mother's mother, etc.  The direct female line.  Yes, the results are more general.  Read the book on the Faces of Eve.  The exact title and author escape me, but it came out in the early 2000s.

                      Carolyn refers to a test done on her paternal side.  This looks at Y-DNA.  What a male inherits from his father, father's father, father's father's father, etc.  The direct male line.  These results are more specific.  Read about Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings genetic testing (about 1999).  So Carolyn must have persuaded her father or brother to provide the DNA for this test -- she could not provide it herself.

                      Why have I not had the testing done?  The mitochondrial test is kind of expensive for the general results I would expect.  And I have no known male relatives who could provide a sample for the Y-DNA test.  I did find some hairs in my father's hair brush after his death in 1995, and saved them, but I'm not sure if they are sufficient for the test.  Otherwise, I have to go back to my great grandfather's brother and see if he had any direct line male descendants who could provide a sample.

                      Margo



                      ________________________________
                      From: Margaret Hicks <m-s6hix2@...>
                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 12:18:12 PM
                      Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried

                       
                      I had the Ancestry.com DNA maternal test done and was very upset with the results, it basically said 16,000 years ago some people, Saami's, came into Europe and that was it. The actual test was done by 23 and me. I have talked to them and Ancestry, Ancestry tells me that the maternal DNA test shows very little because maternal has a long memory?? and is to vague and that paternal is the best and gets better results. Of course in their info to sell the testing they don't mention this so $190+ was a total waste and I can't afford to have it done again with another company.

                      I am surprised that this writer had such good results. I might as well line the bird cage with the results, they tell me nothing

                      Any coments on how one persons gets such great results and I get excuses about mine telling nothing?

                      Thanks for listening
                      Margaret Hicks

                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: nilo3rak
                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                      Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:19 PM
                      Subject: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried

                      Genetic testing can be exciting. I found that the results from the Genogrpahic Project were pretty worthless. Therefore, I had to spring for more money. Eureka! found a 67 marker match on my paternal side. Geographically it is right on, although he says Rusyn and my side says Slovak. And, yeah, most matches with Polish, Ukraine, and Beloruss DNA. There is now a new test and a new marker for us eastern Slavs. We shall see what that result yields.

                      Complete test of over 16,000 base pairs of mitochondrial DNA done, I and have 2 matches, right in the geographical area of the Polish plain north of the Carpathians( old Galicia) and old Arva county.

                      These "heavy-duty" DNA are being done by FAmily Tree DNA. I am not drumming up business for them, but they do have a very large data base of results, lots of geographical projects, and lots of surname projects.

                      I also went for the full DNA testing at 23 and me. Although they do the genealogical testing (it agrees with FAmily Tree results), I was more interested in the genetic results for disease probabilities. Results so far have been as I expected, with a few pleasant surprises.

                      Whatever any of you decide to do with all this DNA testing it is very worthwhile from a personal and genealogical and scientific perspective. If you add your results to the mix you may find near and distant relatives, you may add to the understanding of the origin of our Slavic/IndoEuropean ancestors, their migration patterns, their physical traits including everything from eye color to disease resistance and susceptibility. In short, I am encouraging all of you to do as much DNA testing as possible within your own comfort zones and budgets.

                      Carolyn Harmon

                      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, "Ron" <amiak27@... > wrote:
                      >
                      > Thanks for posting, Michael. I have the magazine in our louocal library & mean to read the article. My own attitude is that I never expected much more from DNA that one can gain from reading about blood type distribution. So I have to say my expectations have been exceeded; it really appears DNA furnishes a more precise set of generalities than does blood type.
                      >
                      > Oh, I just did the 12 point test so my generalities are very general!
                      >
                      > ;->
                      > Ron
                      >
                      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > In the November 2009 issue of Discover magazine Boonsri Dickinson wrote an article: "3 faces of Eve". "Our reporter tries out a trio of genetic tests to find out what they can tell her about her identity and her ancestry."
                      > > The three tests:
                      > > The Genographic Project - "Testing My Maternal Ancestry" ($99.95, www.genographic. nationalgeograph ic.com)
                      > > Family Tree DNA - "Examining my Father's Y Chromosome" ($109 - $557, www.familytreedna. com, author took $119 Y chromosome test.)
                      > > 23andMe - Scanning for Genome-Wide Associations ($399, www.23andme. com )
                      > >
                      > > I have taken the Genographic Project test and the Family Tree DNA Y chromosome 37 marker tests.
                      > > The article runs for three pages. At the moment there is no link to it at the Discovery magazine website. Possibly next month.
                      > >
                      > > The first sentence of the last paragraph may be enough for many of you, "Clearly I had hoped for too much for the ancestry tests." For those of you who want to learn more about these tests, read the article.
                      > > Michael Mojher
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      > >
                      >

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                    • Margaret Hicks
                      I new the the Saami were Laplanders, the report about my ancestry did not mention anything further about them, I guess on my own I should have look up their
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                        I new the the Saami were Laplanders, the report about my ancestry did not mention anything further about them, I guess on my own I should have look up their history.

                        Margaret
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: Janet Kozlay
                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:54 PM
                        Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried



                        I don't know enough about DNA testing to answer your questions, but
                        identifying Saami in your maternal line might be more interesting than you
                        think. The Saami live in northern Finland and Norway, what we used to call
                        Lapland, and their language belongs to the Finno-Ugric group. Hungarian is
                        also a member of this language group. It is hypothesized that an ancient
                        people from east of the Urals eventually split, some going north (to
                        Finland), others going southwest and eventually ending up in Hungary. So it
                        may be that your maternal ancestors belonged to the original Hungarian
                        settlers over 1000 years ago. I am not an expert in this field, but Saami
                        did catch my eye.

                        Janet

                        _____

                        From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                        Behalf Of Margaret Hicks
                        Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:18 PM
                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried

                        I had the Ancestry.com DNA maternal test done and was very upset with the
                        results, it basically said 16,000 years ago some people, Saami's, came into
                        Europe and that was it. The actual test was done by 23 and me. I have talked
                        to them and Ancestry, Ancestry tells me that the maternal DNA test shows
                        very little because maternal has a long memory?? and is to vague and that
                        paternal is the best and gets better results. Of course in their info to
                        sell the testing they don't mention this so $190+ was a total waste and I
                        can't afford to have it done again with another company.

                        I am surprised that this writer had such good results. I might as well line
                        the bird cage with the results, they tell me nothing

                        Any coments on how one persons gets such great results and I get excuses
                        about mine telling nothing?

                        Thanks for listening
                        Margaret Hicks

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: nilo3rak
                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:19 PM
                        Subject: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried

                        Genetic testing can be exciting. I found that the results from the
                        Genogrpahic Project were pretty worthless. Therefore, I had to spring for
                        more money. Eureka! found a 67 marker match on my paternal side.
                        Geographically it is right on, although he says Rusyn and my side says
                        Slovak. And, yeah, most matches with Polish, Ukraine, and Beloruss DNA.
                        There is now a new test and a new marker for us eastern Slavs. We shall see
                        what that result yields.

                        Complete test of over 16,000 base pairs of mitochondrial DNA done, I and
                        have 2 matches, right in the geographical area of the Polish plain north of
                        the Carpathians(old Galicia) and old Arva county.

                        These "heavy-duty" DNA are being done by FAmily Tree DNA. I am not drumming
                        up business for them, but they do have a very large data base of results,
                        lots of geographical projects, and lots of surname projects.

                        I also went for the full DNA testing at 23 and me. Although they do the
                        genealogical testing (it agrees with FAmily Tree results), I was more
                        interested in the genetic results for disease probabilities. Results so far
                        have been as I expected, with a few pleasant surprises.

                        Whatever any of you decide to do with all this DNA testing it is very
                        worthwhile from a personal and genealogical and scientific perspective. If
                        you add your results to the mix you may find near and distant relatives, you
                        may add to the understanding of the origin of our Slavic/IndoEuropean
                        ancestors, their migration patterns, their physical traits including
                        everything from eye color to disease resistance and susceptibility. In
                        short, I am encouraging all of you to do as much DNA testing as possible
                        within your own comfort zones and budgets.

                        Carolyn Harmon

                        --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                        yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <amiak27@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Thanks for posting, Michael. I have the magazine in our louocal library &
                        mean to read the article. My own attitude is that I never expected much more
                        from DNA that one can gain from reading about blood type distribution. So I
                        have to say my expectations have been exceeded; it really appears DNA
                        furnishes a more precise set of generalities than does blood type.
                        >
                        > Oh, I just did the 12 point test so my generalities are very general!
                        >
                        > ;->
                        > Ron
                        >
                        > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                        yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > In the November 2009 issue of Discover magazine Boonsri Dickinson wrote
                        an article: "3 faces of Eve". "Our reporter tries out a trio of genetic
                        tests to find out what they can tell her about her identity and her
                        ancestry."
                        > > The three tests:
                        > > The Genographic Project - "Testing My Maternal Ancestry" ($99.95,
                        www.genographic.nationalgeographic.com)
                        > > Family Tree DNA - "Examining my Father's Y Chromosome" ($109 - $557,
                        www.familytreedna.com, author took $119 Y chromosome test.)
                        > > 23andMe - Scanning for Genome-Wide Associations ($399, www.23andme.com )

                        > >
                        > > I have taken the Genographic Project test and the Family Tree DNA Y
                        chromosome 37 marker tests.
                        > > The article runs for three pages. At the moment there is no link to it
                        at the Discovery magazine website. Possibly next month.
                        > >
                        > > The first sentence of the last paragraph may be enough for many of you,
                        "Clearly I had hoped for too much for the ancestry tests." For those of you
                        who want to learn more about these tests, read the article.
                        > > Michael Mojher
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > >
                        >

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                      • jenna-m
                        On the mitochondrial DNA, there s also an interesting article written by science writer Faye Flam called One Origin,Many Races that references the out of
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                          On the mitochondrial DNA, there's also an interesting article written by science writer Faye Flam called "One Origin,Many Races" that references the out of Africa or "the Eve hypothesis."
                          Jenna




                          ________________________________
                          From: Margo Smith <margolane61@...>
                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 4:09:25 PM
                          Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried

                           
                          I have not had any DNA testing done, but I have been and am tempted.  In a nutshell:

                          Margaret's maternal test looks at mitochondrial DNA.  What you (regardless of sex) inherit from your mother, mother's mother, mother's mother's mother, etc.  The direct female line.  Yes, the results are more general.  Read the book on the Faces of Eve.  The exact title and author escape me, but it came out in the early 2000s.

                          Carolyn refers to a test done on her paternal side.  This looks at Y-DNA.  What a male inherits from his father, father's father, father's father's father, etc.  The direct male line.  These results are more specific.  Read about Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings genetic testing (about 1999).  So Carolyn must have persuaded her father or brother to provide the DNA for this test -- she could not provide it herself.

                          Why have I not had the testing done?  The mitochondrial test is kind of expensive for the general results I would expect.  And I have no known male relatives who could provide a sample for the Y-DNA test.  I did find some hairs in my father's hair brush after his death in 1995, and saved them, but I'm not sure if they are sufficient for the test.  Otherwise, I have to go back to my great grandfather' s brother and see if he had any direct line male descendants who could provide a sample.

                          Margo

                          ____________ _________ _________ __
                          From: Margaret Hicks <m-s6hix2@cfl. rr.com>
                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                          Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 12:18:12 PM
                          Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried

                           
                          I had the Ancestry.com DNA maternal test done and was very upset with the results, it basically said 16,000 years ago some people, Saami's, came into Europe and that was it. The actual test was done by 23 and me. I have talked to them and Ancestry, Ancestry tells me that the maternal DNA test shows very little because maternal has a long memory?? and is to vague and that paternal is the best and gets better results. Of course in their info to sell the testing they don't mention this so $190+ was a total waste and I can't afford to have it done again with another company.

                          I am surprised that this writer had such good results. I might as well line the bird cage with the results, they tell me nothing

                          Any coments on how one persons gets such great results and I get excuses about mine telling nothing?

                          Thanks for listening
                          Margaret Hicks

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: nilo3rak
                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                          Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:19 PM
                          Subject: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried

                          Genetic testing can be exciting. I found that the results from the Genogrpahic Project were pretty worthless. Therefore, I had to spring for more money. Eureka! found a 67 marker match on my paternal side. Geographically it is right on, although he says Rusyn and my side says Slovak. And, yeah, most matches with Polish, Ukraine, and Beloruss DNA. There is now a new test and a new marker for us eastern Slavs. We shall see what that result yields.

                          Complete test of over 16,000 base pairs of mitochondrial DNA done, I and have 2 matches, right in the geographical area of the Polish plain north of the Carpathians( old Galicia) and old Arva county.

                          These "heavy-duty" DNA are being done by FAmily Tree DNA. I am not drumming up business for them, but they do have a very large data base of results, lots of geographical projects, and lots of surname projects.

                          I also went for the full DNA testing at 23 and me. Although they do the genealogical testing (it agrees with FAmily Tree results), I was more interested in the genetic results for disease probabilities. Results so far have been as I expected, with a few pleasant surprises.

                          Whatever any of you decide to do with all this DNA testing it is very worthwhile from a personal and genealogical and scientific perspective. If you add your results to the mix you may find near and distant relatives, you may add to the understanding of the origin of our Slavic/IndoEuropean ancestors, their migration patterns, their physical traits including everything from eye color to disease resistance and susceptibility. In short, I am encouraging all of you to do as much DNA testing as possible within your own comfort zones and budgets.

                          Carolyn Harmon

                          --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, "Ron" <amiak27@... > wrote:
                          >
                          > Thanks for posting, Michael. I have the magazine in our louocal library & mean to read the article. My own attitude is that I never expected much more from DNA that one can gain from reading about blood type distribution. So I have to say my expectations have been exceeded; it really appears DNA furnishes a more precise set of generalities than does blood type.
                          >
                          > Oh, I just did the 12 point test so my generalities are very general!
                          >
                          > ;->
                          > Ron
                          >
                          > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > In the November 2009 issue of Discover magazine Boonsri Dickinson wrote an article: "3 faces of Eve". "Our reporter tries out a trio of genetic tests to find out what they can tell her about her identity and her ancestry."
                          > > The three tests:
                          > > The Genographic Project - "Testing My Maternal Ancestry" ($99.95, www.genographic. nationalgeograph ic.com)
                          > > Family Tree DNA - "Examining my Father's Y Chromosome" ($109 - $557, www.familytreedna. com, author took $119 Y chromosome test.)
                          > > 23andMe - Scanning for Genome-Wide Associations ($399, www.23andme. com )
                          > >
                          > > I have taken the Genographic Project test and the Family Tree DNA Y chromosome 37 marker tests.
                          > > The article runs for three pages. At the moment there is no link to it at the Discovery magazine website. Possibly next month.
                          > >
                          > > The first sentence of the last paragraph may be enough for many of you, "Clearly I had hoped for too much for the ancestry tests." For those of you who want to learn more about these tests, read the article.
                          > > Michael Mojher
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > >
                          >

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                        • treimer@nycap.rr.com
                          I had the tests done, too. I am a R1a1 on my Y chromosome, and for the mitochondrial DNA, which mutates less often, the results are not in yet. Remember that
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                            I had the tests done, too. I am a R1a1 on my Y chromosome, and for the mitochondrial DNA, which mutates less often, the results are not in yet. Remember that each set is only about 1 ancestor among the many who contributed to our genes. They are only the sole identifiable single contributors.

                            I read somewhere that most Magyars are genetically not much magyar since even before they moved West, it seems a long time ago (1000 BC, 500 BC?) a small group of Ugric speakers incorporated many others into their tribe. And this went on of course all the way to today--most Magyars have through intermarriage some Magyar ancestry, but the bulk of their ancestors were not. I did not jot down the source, though. Also. my beloved computer died last Saturday (I bought it in 2006 after another crash, I'll never buy Compaq again).

                            Thomas


                            ---- Margaret Hicks <m-s6hix2@...> wrote:
                            > I new the the Saami were Laplanders, the report about my ancestry did not mention anything further about them, I guess on my own I should have look up their history.
                            >
                            > Margaret
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: Janet Kozlay
                            > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:54 PM
                            > Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > I don't know enough about DNA testing to answer your questions, but
                            > identifying Saami in your maternal line might be more interesting than you
                            > think. The Saami live in northern Finland and Norway, what we used to call
                            > Lapland, and their language belongs to the Finno-Ugric group. Hungarian is
                            > also a member of this language group. It is hypothesized that an ancient
                            > people from east of the Urals eventually split, some going north (to
                            > Finland), others going southwest and eventually ending up in Hungary. So it
                            > may be that your maternal ancestors belonged to the original Hungarian
                            > settlers over 1000 years ago. I am not an expert in this field, but Saami
                            > did catch my eye.
                            >
                            > Janet
                            >
                            > _____
                            >
                            > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                            > Behalf Of Margaret Hicks
                            > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:18 PM
                            > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried
                            >
                            > I had the Ancestry.com DNA maternal test done and was very upset with the
                            > results, it basically said 16,000 years ago some people, Saami's, came into
                            > Europe and that was it. The actual test was done by 23 and me. I have talked
                            > to them and Ancestry, Ancestry tells me that the maternal DNA test shows
                            > very little because maternal has a long memory?? and is to vague and that
                            > paternal is the best and gets better results. Of course in their info to
                            > sell the testing they don't mention this so $190+ was a total waste and I
                            > can't afford to have it done again with another company.
                            >
                            > I am surprised that this writer had such good results. I might as well line
                            > the bird cage with the results, they tell me nothing
                            >
                            > Any coments on how one persons gets such great results and I get excuses
                            > about mine telling nothing?
                            >
                            > Thanks for listening
                            > Margaret Hicks
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: nilo3rak
                            > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:19 PM
                            > Subject: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried
                            >
                            > Genetic testing can be exciting. I found that the results from the
                            > Genogrpahic Project were pretty worthless. Therefore, I had to spring for
                            > more money. Eureka! found a 67 marker match on my paternal side.
                            > Geographically it is right on, although he says Rusyn and my side says
                            > Slovak. And, yeah, most matches with Polish, Ukraine, and Beloruss DNA.
                            > There is now a new test and a new marker for us eastern Slavs. We shall see
                            > what that result yields.
                            >
                            > Complete test of over 16,000 base pairs of mitochondrial DNA done, I and
                            > have 2 matches, right in the geographical area of the Polish plain north of
                            > the Carpathians(old Galicia) and old Arva county.
                            >
                            > These "heavy-duty" DNA are being done by FAmily Tree DNA. I am not drumming
                            > up business for them, but they do have a very large data base of results,
                            > lots of geographical projects, and lots of surname projects.
                            >
                            > I also went for the full DNA testing at 23 and me. Although they do the
                            > genealogical testing (it agrees with FAmily Tree results), I was more
                            > interested in the genetic results for disease probabilities. Results so far
                            > have been as I expected, with a few pleasant surprises.
                            >
                            > Whatever any of you decide to do with all this DNA testing it is very
                            > worthwhile from a personal and genealogical and scientific perspective. If
                            > you add your results to the mix you may find near and distant relatives, you
                            > may add to the understanding of the origin of our Slavic/IndoEuropean
                            > ancestors, their migration patterns, their physical traits including
                            > everything from eye color to disease resistance and susceptibility. In
                            > short, I am encouraging all of you to do as much DNA testing as possible
                            > within your own comfort zones and budgets.
                            >
                            > Carolyn Harmon
                            >
                            > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <amiak27@...> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Thanks for posting, Michael. I have the magazine in our louocal library &
                            > mean to read the article. My own attitude is that I never expected much more
                            > from DNA that one can gain from reading about blood type distribution. So I
                            > have to say my expectations have been exceeded; it really appears DNA
                            > furnishes a more precise set of generalities than does blood type.
                            > >
                            > > Oh, I just did the 12 point test so my generalities are very general!
                            > >
                            > > ;->
                            > > Ron
                            > >
                            > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > In the November 2009 issue of Discover magazine Boonsri Dickinson wrote
                            > an article: "3 faces of Eve". "Our reporter tries out a trio of genetic
                            > tests to find out what they can tell her about her identity and her
                            > ancestry."
                            > > > The three tests:
                            > > > The Genographic Project - "Testing My Maternal Ancestry" ($99.95,
                            > www.genographic.nationalgeographic.com)
                            > > > Family Tree DNA - "Examining my Father's Y Chromosome" ($109 - $557,
                            > www.familytreedna.com, author took $119 Y chromosome test.)
                            > > > 23andMe - Scanning for Genome-Wide Associations ($399, www.23andme.com )
                            >
                            > > >
                            > > > I have taken the Genographic Project test and the Family Tree DNA Y
                            > chromosome 37 marker tests.
                            > > > The article runs for three pages. At the moment there is no link to it
                            > at the Discovery magazine website. Possibly next month.
                            > > >
                            > > > The first sentence of the last paragraph may be enough for many of you,
                            > "Clearly I had hoped for too much for the ancestry tests." For those of you
                            > who want to learn more about these tests, read the article.
                            > > > Michael Mojher
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            > > >
                            > >
                            >
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                          • nilo3rak
                            Hi Margaret, You are so right to mention that these companies are in the business of selling DNA testing services. Let the buyer beware. First, mitonchondrial
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                              Hi Margaret,

                              You are so right to mention that these companies are in the business of selling DNA testing services. Let the buyer beware.

                              First, mitonchondrial DNA (mtDNA) is virtually useless for genealogical purposes. After all we are dealing with populations from 10,000 to 50,000 years ago. However, if you want to know what and where your ggggggggggggggggggggggggggg+grandmothers were up to in the deep past, go for it. I happen to have a great desire to know where my distant female ancestors may have originated, where they migrated, and where most of them are today. So, I paid top dollar for the full sequence mtDNA. But, I am kind of a science geek; even put my results into NIH's GenBank.

                              For genealogical purposes, Y DNA is the gold standard. You can really hit paydirt with this. For instance, if I were to go to my gggrandfather's ancestral village and get matches with males with the same last name (yes there are many) this would be very telling. Yet, to verify kinship a paper trail leading to that most distant common ancestor would have to established.

                              All this testing - whether to satisfy my curiousity or establish kinship - costs money. So far, no one in my family has volunteered to cover any costs. I am the buyer, and I am aware of what I am paying for, and it is not the genealogical grail.

                              Carolyn
                              Let me add, Sami history and genetics is rather fascinating.


                              --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Margaret Hicks" <m-s6hix2@...> wrote:

                              > I had the Ancestry.com DNA maternal test done and was very upset with the results, it basically said 16,000 years ago some people, Saami's, came into Europe and that was it. The actual test was done by 23 and me. I have talked to them and Ancestry, Ancestry tells me that the maternal DNA test shows very little because maternal has a long memory?? and is to vague and that paternal is the best and gets better results. Of course in their info to sell the testing they don't mention this so $190+ was a total waste and I can't afford to have it done again with another company.
                              >
                              > I am surprised that this writer had such good results. I might as well line the bird cage with the results, they tell me nothing
                              >
                              > Any coments on how one persons gets such great results and I get excuses about mine telling nothing?
                              >
                              > Thanks for listening
                              > Margaret Hicks
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: nilo3rak
                              > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:19 PM
                              > Subject: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Genetic testing can be exciting. I found that the results from the Genogrpahic Project were pretty worthless. Therefore, I had to spring for more money. Eureka! found a 67 marker match on my paternal side. Geographically it is right on, although he says Rusyn and my side says Slovak. And, yeah, most matches with Polish, Ukraine, and Beloruss DNA. There is now a new test and a new marker for us eastern Slavs. We shall see what that result yields.
                              >
                              > Complete test of over 16,000 base pairs of mitochondrial DNA done, I and have 2 matches, right in the geographical area of the Polish plain north of the Carpathians(old Galicia) and old Arva county.
                              >
                              > These "heavy-duty" DNA are being done by FAmily Tree DNA. I am not drumming up business for them, but they do have a very large data base of results, lots of geographical projects, and lots of surname projects.
                              >
                              > I also went for the full DNA testing at 23 and me. Although they do the genealogical testing (it agrees with FAmily Tree results), I was more interested in the genetic results for disease probabilities. Results so far have been as I expected, with a few pleasant surprises.
                              >
                              > Whatever any of you decide to do with all this DNA testing it is very worthwhile from a personal and genealogical and scientific perspective. If you add your results to the mix you may find near and distant relatives, you may add to the understanding of the origin of our Slavic/IndoEuropean ancestors, their migration patterns, their physical traits including everything from eye color to disease resistance and susceptibility. In short, I am encouraging all of you to do as much DNA testing as possible within your own comfort zones and budgets.
                              >
                              > Carolyn Harmon
                              >
                              > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <amiak27@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Thanks for posting, Michael. I have the magazine in our louocal library & mean to read the article. My own attitude is that I never expected much more from DNA that one can gain from reading about blood type distribution. So I have to say my expectations have been exceeded; it really appears DNA furnishes a more precise set of generalities than does blood type.
                              > >
                              > > Oh, I just did the 12 point test so my generalities are very general!
                              > >
                              > > ;->
                              > > Ron
                              > >
                              > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > In the November 2009 issue of Discover magazine Boonsri Dickinson wrote an article: "3 faces of Eve". "Our reporter tries out a trio of genetic tests to find out what they can tell her about her identity and her ancestry."
                              > > > The three tests:
                              > > > The Genographic Project - "Testing My Maternal Ancestry" ($99.95, www.genographic.nationalgeographic.com)
                              > > > Family Tree DNA - "Examining my Father's Y Chromosome" ($109 - $557, www.familytreedna.com, author took $119 Y chromosome test.)
                              > > > 23andMe - Scanning for Genome-Wide Associations ($399, www.23andme.com )
                              > > >
                              > > > I have taken the Genographic Project test and the Family Tree DNA Y chromosome 37 marker tests.
                              > > > The article runs for three pages. At the moment there is no link to it at the Discovery magazine website. Possibly next month.
                              > > >
                              > > > The first sentence of the last paragraph may be enough for many of you, "Clearly I had hoped for too much for the ancestry tests." For those of you who want to learn more about these tests, read the article.
                              > > > Michael Mojher
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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                            • Margaret Hicks
                              Right now I cannot pay to have it done again. Saving for a big vacation. Maybe in a few months. Thanks for all the comments. . Margaret ... From: nilo3rak To:
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                                Right now I cannot pay to have it done again. Saving for a big vacation. Maybe in a few months.

                                Thanks for all the comments.
                                .
                                Margaret
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: nilo3rak
                                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:16 PM
                                Subject: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried



                                Hi Margaret,

                                You are so right to mention that these companies are in the business of selling DNA testing services. Let the buyer beware.

                                First, mitonchondrial DNA (mtDNA) is virtually useless for genealogical purposes. After all we are dealing with populations from 10,000 to 50,000 years ago. However, if you want to know what and where your ggggggggggggggggggggggggggg+grandmothers were up to in the deep past, go for it. I happen to have a great desire to know where my distant female ancestors may have originated, where they migrated, and where most of them are today. So, I paid top dollar for the full sequence mtDNA. But, I am kind of a science geek; even put my results into NIH's GenBank.

                                For genealogical purposes, Y DNA is the gold standard. You can really hit paydirt with this. For instance, if I were to go to my gggrandfather's ancestral village and get matches with males with the same last name (yes there are many) this would be very telling. Yet, to verify kinship a paper trail leading to that most distant common ancestor would have to established.

                                All this testing - whether to satisfy my curiousity or establish kinship - costs money. So far, no one in my family has volunteered to cover any costs. I am the buyer, and I am aware of what I am paying for, and it is not the genealogical grail.

                                Carolyn
                                Let me add, Sami history and genetics is rather fascinating.

                                --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Margaret Hicks" <m-s6hix2@...> wrote:

                                > I had the Ancestry.com DNA maternal test done and was very upset with the results, it basically said 16,000 years ago some people, Saami's, came into Europe and that was it. The actual test was done by 23 and me. I have talked to them and Ancestry, Ancestry tells me that the maternal DNA test shows very little because maternal has a long memory?? and is to vague and that paternal is the best and gets better results. Of course in their info to sell the testing they don't mention this so $190+ was a total waste and I can't afford to have it done again with another company.
                                >
                                > I am surprised that this writer had such good results. I might as well line the bird cage with the results, they tell me nothing
                                >
                                > Any coments on how one persons gets such great results and I get excuses about mine telling nothing?
                                >
                                > Thanks for listening
                                > Margaret Hicks
                                >
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: nilo3rak
                                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:19 PM
                                > Subject: [S-R] Re: Genetic Testing: 3 Tests Tried
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Genetic testing can be exciting. I found that the results from the Genogrpahic Project were pretty worthless. Therefore, I had to spring for more money. Eureka! found a 67 marker match on my paternal side. Geographically it is right on, although he says Rusyn and my side says Slovak. And, yeah, most matches with Polish, Ukraine, and Beloruss DNA. There is now a new test and a new marker for us eastern Slavs. We shall see what that result yields.
                                >
                                > Complete test of over 16,000 base pairs of mitochondrial DNA done, I and have 2 matches, right in the geographical area of the Polish plain north of the Carpathians(old Galicia) and old Arva county.
                                >
                                > These "heavy-duty" DNA are being done by FAmily Tree DNA. I am not drumming up business for them, but they do have a very large data base of results, lots of geographical projects, and lots of surname projects.
                                >
                                > I also went for the full DNA testing at 23 and me. Although they do the genealogical testing (it agrees with FAmily Tree results), I was more interested in the genetic results for disease probabilities. Results so far have been as I expected, with a few pleasant surprises.
                                >
                                > Whatever any of you decide to do with all this DNA testing it is very worthwhile from a personal and genealogical and scientific perspective. If you add your results to the mix you may find near and distant relatives, you may add to the understanding of the origin of our Slavic/IndoEuropean ancestors, their migration patterns, their physical traits including everything from eye color to disease resistance and susceptibility. In short, I am encouraging all of you to do as much DNA testing as possible within your own comfort zones and budgets.
                                >
                                > Carolyn Harmon
                                >
                                > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <amiak27@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Thanks for posting, Michael. I have the magazine in our louocal library & mean to read the article. My own attitude is that I never expected much more from DNA that one can gain from reading about blood type distribution. So I have to say my expectations have been exceeded; it really appears DNA furnishes a more precise set of generalities than does blood type.
                                > >
                                > > Oh, I just did the 12 point test so my generalities are very general!
                                > >
                                > > ;->
                                > > Ron
                                > >
                                > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@> wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > In the November 2009 issue of Discover magazine Boonsri Dickinson wrote an article: "3 faces of Eve". "Our reporter tries out a trio of genetic tests to find out what they can tell her about her identity and her ancestry."
                                > > > The three tests:
                                > > > The Genographic Project - "Testing My Maternal Ancestry" ($99.95, www.genographic.nationalgeographic.com)
                                > > > Family Tree DNA - "Examining my Father's Y Chromosome" ($109 - $557, www.familytreedna.com, author took $119 Y chromosome test.)
                                > > > 23andMe - Scanning for Genome-Wide Associations ($399, www.23andme.com )
                                > > >
                                > > > I have taken the Genographic Project test and the Family Tree DNA Y chromosome 37 marker tests.
                                > > > The article runs for three pages. At the moment there is no link to it at the Discovery magazine website. Possibly next month.
                                > > >
                                > > > The first sentence of the last paragraph may be enough for many of you, "Clearly I had hoped for too much for the ancestry tests." For those of you who want to learn more about these tests, read the article.
                                > > > Michael Mojher
                                > > >
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