I can only guess that perhaps one of my Grandmother's relatives who
stilled lived near Budapest got the copy and sent it to my uncle. I received
a copy of his daughter when I started working on the family genealogy. I
guess we will never know now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@...>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 8:54 PM
Subject: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Re: Mutnansky birth2 file
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@egroups.com, "Judy/Dick James" <jajames@c...>
> > Frank,
> > Thank you again for all your effort in translating this
> document. The
> > information you give about my Grandma's name clears up a lot for my
> > as we did not know why sometimes she was called Helen, Helena,
> Helene, and
> > Ilka (Ilko). Now it is clear.
> > As to the last 2 lines on the original copy, I will try to type it
> as I see
> > it.
> > A gyermek vallasa: "romai koiteulilis" utoneve: "Elemer
> > Hala(n)or(r) Ign??er sl..a?di(?l) or (d)
> > the printing is clear enough, I just can't interpret the
> handwriting. Sorry.
> Normally the line after utoneve: Elemer would have been
> (Megjeggyzes) - observations, remarks.
> Just don't know.
> > I find it very intriguing that someone went there in person to
> register the
> > birth. How would a person do that? What evidence or record would
> have been
> > necessary.
> Perhaps her address in Budapest was a hospital, or a midwife ?
> Civil registration began in Hungary in 1895.
> I know my uncle did not go in person as he would have
> never had
> > the money for the trip and to the best of our knowledge the family
> was not
> > in correspondence with any relatives.
> No, you misunderstood what I wrote.
> The birth was registered at the Budapest city archives in 1906.
> Hungary had a 90 year disclosure rule which meant no records
> from 1900 would have been accessible in 1946.
> Someone went to city archives in March 1946 and got the copy of
> the recorded 1906 birth.
> You will note that a 194. decade form was used and the numeral
> 4 is slashed and 1900 decade is written in, so it was a copy of the
> Where did this birth certificate copy originate ?
> In May 1945 my military unit crossed the Czechoslovakia border
> and I was stationed in Germany in 1946.
> Things were different after the war in Europe.
> Because of these conditions , many things that were illegal were
> possible. Money had little value and the standard currency was
> Expect conditions in 1946 were the same or worse in Hungary who
> also had been an Axis partner.
> Believe Hungary was a Soviet military zone back in 1946.
> > I am a lover of mysteries and I find genealogy to be better than
> > novel.
> > Thank you for helping to bring these documents to life for me.
> > Judy