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RE: [S-R] U.S. baptism/marriages recorded in Old Country church records

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  • Bill Tarkulich
    What years are involved and what is the village? It would be good to have a context to set this into. Bill ... From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
    Message 1 of 16 , Oct 31, 2009
      What years are involved and what is the village? It would be good to have a
      context to set this into.


      -----Original Message-----
      From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
      Behalf Of genmom4
      Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:28 PM
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [S-R] U.S. baptism/marriages recorded in Old Country church

      I have entries in one town that are actually written as a new entry. I
      have one instance of a birth in Whiting, Indiana, written as if it were an
      actual birth record in the town. Where the village of birth is listed, it
      states," Whiting, Indiana, America," only the spelling of Whiting, Indiana
      is a bit botched. That specifically caught my attention because the family
      I was researching had emigrated to Whiting, Indiana, so I was quite
      surprised to see that birth entry in the church registry. The name of the
      priest who was written into the registry was the priest who would have been
      officiating in the church in Whiting, Indiana. I had done some research on
      the particular church, and there was quite a biography on the man, which,
      once again, had stuck in my mind. His name was also on my grandmother's
      baptismal certificate, which was why it was so familiar.

      I realize that this is highly unusual, but thought it was worth mentioning.


      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, William F Brna <wfbrna@...> wrote:
      > Bill,
      > That's correct. No new line items were created or developed. Only
      > existing baptismal (or marriage) records were updated through an entry in
      > the last column, headed "Observationes". I made a copy of my mother's
      > birth and baptismal record. She was born on January 5, 1892 and baptized
      > o n January 6, 1892. The "Obserevationes" column for her is blank,
      > however, of the ten other births and baptisms recorded on that page,
      > eight (8) also list a date of death. Granted that none of these listed a
      > death in the United States, still, whoever made the note in the
      > Observationes column showed a date of death in 1915 and 1920. Will you
      > be coming to Beth Kurcina's party tomorrow? If so, I will bring whatever
      > information that I have.
      > Incidently, I am pleased to furnish some information that you were not
      > aware of. Bill Tarkulich is the last word in Slovak genealogy, and I am
      > glad to help.
      > Bill Brna
      > On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:32:58 -0400 (EDT) "Bill Tarkulich"
      > <bill.tarkulich@...> writes:
      > Bill,
      > that's cool. So what I think you're saying is that in your records,
      > former parishoners record line items were updated only. Another way of
      > saying, no new line items were created. Right?
      > Bill
      > On Fri, October 30, 2009 11:19 am, William F Brna wrote:
      > > Bill,
      > >
      > > It has been some time since I reviewed the records, so I am speaking
      > from
      > > memory. In the Matrica Baptisatorum, the last column is Observationes.
      > > The usual entries in this column were the date of death or date of
      > > marriage and the name of the spouse as well as the location. These
      > > entries were made beginning with the last decade of the 19th century. I
      > > remember seeing some notes when an individual emigrated to the US,
      > along
      > > with dates of marriage and death, if known. I am sorry that I cannot
      > > give you specific examples. I did copy my mother's Baptismal record
      > > which is why I know some of the entries in the last column.
      > >
      > > Bill Brna
      > >
      > > On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:43:28 -0400 (EDT) "Bill Tarkulich"
      > > <bill.tarkulich@...> writes:
      > >
      > > Bill,
      > > Please tell me more. How was it recorded and what type? I'm very
      > > interested.
      > > Thanks,
      > > Bill
      > >
      > > On Fri, October 30, 2009 7:12 am, William F Brna wrote:
      > >> Yes, it was quite common to update the parish records in Slovakia,
      > when
      > > a
      > >> former member of the parish emigrated to the US. Deaths in the US were
      > >> also recorded, if known.
      > >>
      > >> William F. Brna
      > >>
      > >> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:59:56 -0400 "Gordon Grening"
      > >> <gordongrening@...> writes:
      > >>
      > >> A patron at my local Family History Center showed me something
      > >> interesting the other day. She was reviewing some baptism and marriage
      > >> microfilms for a village which I think was in Hungary and there were
      > >> entries for baptisms and marriages which took place here in the United
      > >> States. Has anyone else seen this? Don't remember what religion it
      > was,
      > >> will have to ask her the next time I see her. I don't think the people
      > >> involved had moved back to Hungary but will have to ask her that also.
      > >>
      > >


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