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RE: [S-R] Follow up on a couple issues re. Svinye and KOLLARCSIKS

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  • Janet Kozlay
    Elaine, Yes, I concur that these are three totally separate villages. Szinye and Szinye-Lipocz are both west of Eperjes; Saroskisfalu is south. It does seem
    Message 1 of 11 , Oct 19, 2009
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      Yes, I concur that these are three totally separate villages. Szinye and
      Szinye-Lipocz are both west of Eperjes; Saroskisfalu is south.

      It does seem confusing when you have both Kolarcsiks and Kollarcsiks coming
      from the same general region, and it is not easy to tell if any of them are
      the same people. Stated ages are so unreliable that you can't depend on
      them. Then there is the possibility that Janos's immigration record has been
      mistranscribed and can only be found under some other spelling.

      It is possible that you might be able to find the answers in the church
      records. It is too bad that the online records are no longer available, but
      you should still have access to them through the LDS microfilms. You'll just
      have to wait longer to see them. I would be especially on the lookout for
      any hint that Janos may have come from some other village. I think I would
      start by looking at the marriage records for Saroskisfalu, around 1894.

      Good luck, Janet


      From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
      Behalf Of M ELAINE POWELL
      Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:42 PM
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [S-R] Follow up on a couple issues re. Svinye and KOLLARCSIKS

      Janet (Kozlay) -

      Is the Szinye you refer to below the same one as those of some
      Kollarcsiks who reported they were from Szinye Lipovce? Vladi
      responded on that topic that Szinye was now Svinia and it was on the
      west end of the tunnel under a mountain, with Lipovce on the east.
      (Vladi, forgive me if I have misstated anything here!)

      I really appreciated all the incredible information you sent on
      Janosne Kollarcsik, my great grandmother. You have sharp eyes to see
      that what I thought was a "p" in "Spiros" was the "a" with the ship
      official's ditto mark from the next line attached!

      My question now: When I looked on the map for Janosne's village of
      Saroskisfalu, I noticed that it is not too far from Szinye/Lipocz.
      That makes me wonder, since her husband Janos indicated on the census
      that he came to the US two years before she did, if she gave
      Saroskisfalu as her last residence because she and the children had
      gone there to stay because it's where her father lived. (She
      indicated he's the closest relative in her last residence.)

      The reason I'm speculating this is that I can't find a ship record for
      a Janos K who came to the US in 1907 from Saroskisfalu with an
      approximate birth year of 1867. There's a Janos with the correct age
      who arrived in Dec 1906 (ok, close enough to 1907!) with the last
      residence of Szinye Lipocz; and there's a Janos of the correct age who
      came from "Kisfalu" but in 1902.

      And it looks like the 2 villages are more than 3 miles apart -- and
      given all the trips Janos, Adam and Ferencz Kollarcsik seemed to make
      back and forth, maybe my relatives were more of the travelling sort
      than the ones Michael Mojher visited! (Loved your story, Michael!)

      Can't wait to hear from you and any others who have ideas!



      On Oct 6, 2009, at 11:29 PM, Janet Kozlay wrote:

      > I admit I was kind of messed up on my answer. I was distracted by
      > finding an
      > immigration record for Anna Karabinos who was coming from Lemes, but
      > of
      > course this is not Andrus.
      > Anyway, maybe I can make up for my error by telling you that I found
      > the
      > right village. Andreas Karabinyos was born on October 6, 1867, in
      > SZINYE to
      > Andreas Karabinyos and Anna Mamrak. However, it is noted that he
      > died on
      > April 30, 1872. The records show only one other child born to these
      > parents,
      > Istvan, on October 23, 1871. The death of Andreas on April 30, 1872,
      > is
      > confirmed in the death records.
      > When Andreas died, his little brother, Istvan, was only six months
      > old. I
      > wonder if perhaps they changed Istvan's name to Andreas. If Istvan
      > had been
      > born after Andreas died, it would have been natural to have named him
      > Andreas, after his father. So perhaps it would not have seemed
      > strange to
      > rename the second child.
      > These church records are online in the FamilySearch pilot project
      > (http://pilot. <http://pilot.familysearch.org> familysearch.org
      <http://pilot. <http://pilot.familysearch.org/> familysearch.org/> ).
      > You might note that there were other Karabinyos families in Szinye.
      > The
      > Mamrak name also shows up in these records.
      > The marriage of Andras Karabinyos and Anna Mamrak is found on August
      > 15,
      > 1860. I think the entry indicates that Andras was a soldier (Miles)
      > from
      > Szinye, age 27, and Anna was an orphan (orphanus), age 26, from the
      > neighboring village of Laszka (now Lazany). Laszka records are with
      > those
      > from Szinye. I'm not sure whether the designation as orphan merely
      > means
      > that Anna's parents were no longer living, or that they died when
      > she was a
      > child.
      > From their ages, you should be able to determine approximately when
      > each was
      > born and find their baptismal records, which in turn should give you
      > their
      > parents, etc., etc.
      > You are SOOOO lucky to have these records online. Have fun.
      > Janet
      > _____
      > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
      yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@
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      > ] On
      > Behalf Of Vladimir Linder
      > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:40 PM
      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: RE: [S-R] What to do now?
      > Limyo or Limya This is what you wrote. There is no such thing.
      > I have been to LEMESANY,
      > Vladi
      > At 03:25 PM 10/6/2009, you wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > >Sorry, Vladi, but Lemes was Lemes. Today it is called Lemesany and
      > it is
      > >south of Presov. Radix shows the Mamrak name in that area as well, in
      > >Lapispatak, now Ploske SK, a little to the southeast of Lemesany.
      > LDS has
      > >microfilms of Roman Catholic church records for both Lemes and
      > Lapispatak.
      > >They are not on line, however.
      > >
      > >Janet
      > >
      > >_____
      > >
      > >From:
      > ><mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>SLOVAK-ROOTS@
      > <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
      > >[mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@ <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
      > yahoogroups.com] On
      > >Behalf Of Vladimir Linder
      > >Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:49 PM
      > >To: <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>SLOVAK-ROOTS@
      > <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
      > >Subject: Re: [S-R] What to do now?
      > >
      > >I bet since today's name for Dubovica is again DUBOVICA near
      > >Lipany North West of PRESOV you may have the name Limyo or Limya
      > >misspelled and it will lead you to LIPANY.
      > >
      > >It does make sense as they are near by. I did some research in
      > >both LIPANY and DUBOVICA. Since you are talking records prior to
      > >1896 they are in archiveseither in LEVOCA or NIZNA SEBASTOVA near
      > PRESOV.
      > >
      > >Vladi
      > >
      > >At 01:36 PM 10/6/2009, you wrote:
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >While going though some old papers I found the Baptism records of
      > my
      > > >husband's grandparents that we did not know we had.I am so
      > excited I
      > > >have been looking for this information for years and I had it all
      > > >the time. Did they usually use family as Godparents?
      > > >
      > > >Istvan comes from a town that looks like Limyo or Limya. His
      > parents
      > > >were Andrus Karabinyos and Anna Mamrak. He was born on October 23,
      > > >1871. He came to the USA in 1889. His available naturalization
      > > >papers don't give any info except Austria. He came in from Bremen.
      > > >
      > > >Maria comes from a town the appears to be Dubovica. Her parents
      > were
      > > >Andrey Sramko and Anna Mizenko. She was born on July 20, 1873. She
      > > >spoke only Slovak her whole life and came to the USA in 1890.
      > > >
      > > >Now that I know the name of the village that they came from and
      > > >their parent's names where do I go from here to find the rest of
      > the
      > >family?
      > > >
      > > >Thanks for any help or direction you can give.
      > > >
      > > >Cathy
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
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      > >
      > >
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