Re: [S-R] Re: Orava and Spis Regions in Poland
- hi Carolyn - tried to reply to you directly but the spam thing got me - look forward to meeting you! The book is incredibly old and fragile but i will scan and send those Piekelnik pages when i get back - leaving tomorrow at 5 am to set up our folk dress exhibit - if anyone would like more info on this exhibit - e mail me - it will be near the conference hotel at the FCSU.
Between preparing to dress some 22 mannequins for the exhibit and a dozen people for the parasde of kroj on fri. nite and perpare my slide presentation for Fri afternoon I am overwhelmed- as we ealways say "it all sounded like a good idea at the time!"
My husband is packing my car and worrying about my visibility - too too many boxes, know it will be great when it is all up and done.
can't wait to meet you - have some 33 people who responded!
From: nilo3rak <piekielnik@...>
Sent: Mon, October 12, 2009 2:32:15 PM
Subject: [S-R] Re: Orava and Spis Regions in Poland
Hope to get to Cleveland in time for Happy Hour. Staying until Sunday, so I'll be sure to see you.
I appreciate any information that you can share with me - name of that genealogist and which records were filmed. Is there any chance you could bring that "old book" to the conference?
--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, helene cincebeaux <helenezx@.. .> wrote:
> hi Carolyn - I do know someone who is a Slovak genealogist and really good in the Spis and Orava regions of former Slovakia now Poland. We led a number of tours there and some of the tour members were engaged with our tenealogist in filming records in churches, a bottle of spirits often helped pave the way. In this country Karen Melis has done a lot of work in the Spis Poland villages and is involved in a DNA project too. Contact me directly for more info. Paul Bighman had a Targ e-newsletter that covers the Spis Poland and Orava Poland area but haven't heard from him recently. This region is incredibly beautiful with a totally different panorama of the Carpathians than on the Slovak side.
> What I found fascinating is that few of the almost 2,000 people I have taken there have found direct ancestor's head stones but 3 sisters did - they hit the jackpot in your region, the neighboring village of Czarny Dunajec with a gravestone of their great grandmother!
> I do hope you get to the villages there one day - they are lovely - have an old book that shows the wonderful ridge poles from the wooden homes of Piekelnik, they had protective motifs and one even had a place for an egg to be set in!
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ ...>
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Mon, October 12, 2009 10:53:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Recommendation: Juraj Cisarik
> Hi Carolyn,
> I presume you are speaking of the Hungary Archives? I don't know anything
> about how they are indexed. The church records there are not microfilmed
> by the FHL. To keep your costs down, I would advise hiring someone who
> has done it before. The more info and the narrower the focus the better.
> All info should be included, and any "hunches" should be stated as such.
> The more narrow your request the lower the work/cost. That said, I'd ask
> for digital photocopies of registers from your village. That way, you
> build the tree yourself (saves time/$) and ensure that with records in
> hand, you can find later things that may have been overlooked.
> The only advantage to being there is that you get to see and touch the
> actual record books. This can be an encumberance, since most archives
> like to know when you're coming and coordinating your guide. The downside
> is that it is apt to cost you more. The other downside is if you get
> there and find there are no records for your village, you are out of luck
> and just wasted a lot of time. A researcher can find out first if there
> is anything before any big commitment happens.
> the other downside I see to visiting archives is that if you do get a lot
> of information what will you do next with it? I find that doing the
> paper research at home first, including the registers is superior. It
> primes the pump - it gets you thinking about what you now need to know
> next, and have a boatload of questions to take with you when you do go
> I had studied my registers so completely before I left, that I knew more
> than the villagers, but was also able to ask much smarter questions when I
> got there and not waste time on stuff nobody knew about. Much better use
> of your time.
> The other important reason to have someone experienced go is that if you
> inquire about the Slovakia records directly, the Hungary archive will
> deny holding them. Ostensibly they were all to be repatriated to the
> successor county in 1920. For many logistical reasons that did not
> happen. You need someone who knows how to get to the records and make
> requests appropriately.
> Also, to keep costs down, hire someone who does not live a zillion
> kilometers from the archive you need.
> I do not know anything about DNA hourly rates. With regard to researchers
> to the archives, if you stick with the folks recommended by others on this
> list, you will be OK. Simply put, there are very, very few people who do
> this work in Slovakia, so there is no real market price benchmark.
> I did only a very little Poland research, in the south east sector of
> Poland which was eliminated during Operation Vistula. From what I recall
> all work must be handled by correspondence directly with Poland archives
> or by hiring a researcher. I did my work directly, so I have no contacts
> with Poland researchers. As far as I know, the FHL has no agreement with
> Poland to film, but I could be mistaken.
> Hope this helps.
> On Mon, October 12, 2009 10:31 am, nilo3rak wrote:
> > Hi Bill,
> > Thanks for the tips. I have more questions. These archives are they
> > indexed? If not, then the quality of the searches depends on how much
> > information I can give. What about my best hunches - should they be
> > included?
> > Cost is a very big concern. I am currently funding all the DNA testing
> > (but I am lucky that family members agree to give samples). What is a
> > fair hourly rate? What about other costs? Is there any advantage to
> > physically being in the country?
> > What suggestions do you have for researching in the part of old Arva
> > County that were taken by Poland in 1920? I am especially interested in
> > Jablonka and Pekelnik. None of the parish records have been microfilmed
> > by FHL.
> > So many questions, so little time and money, but hooked forever on
> > genealogy.
> > Carolyn
> > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill Tarkulich" <bill.tarkulich@ ...>
> > wrote:
> >> In most cases, as Carolyn describes, the archives records you would find
> >> are
> >> exactly the same as the FHL has. In general, your time would be better
> >> spent elsewhere.
> >> Another angle you should consider if you village is in the former
> >> Zemplin
> >> County. Many Slovakia church book records still remain in the
> >> Satoraljhely,
> >> Hungary archives, which was the capital of Zemplin. You might ask Juraj
> >> if
> >> he has experience there. I know Mick Sura has; he extracted several
> >> pages
> >> of church records from my villages that were not in the Slovakia
> >> archives.
> >> Regards,
> >> Bill
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK- ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com]
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of cmziurys
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:02 PM
> >> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
> >> Subject: [S-R] Re: Recommendation: Juraj Cisarik
> >> Hello Carolyn,
> >> During my trip to Slovakia, I stayed at the Best Western Teledom Hotel
> >> in
> >> Kosice and since Juraj lives in Kosice, he would pick me up at my hotel
> >> in
> >> the morning and would then drive me to my ancestral villages, which are
> >> about thirty miles west of Kosice. In my specific situation, I was
> >> paying
> >> about $20/hour plus mileage but you would need to contact Juraj directly
> >> with your specific circumstances for a more accurate quote of his
> >> charges.
> >> Here is the link to his website: http://www.cisarik. com
> >> When Juraj and I visited the Lutheran church in Gemerska Poloma and the
> >> state office in Roznava, I needed to show a copy of my birth certificate
> >> to
> >> the minister and to the state office employee---to prove that I was
> >> researching my own family. I also had copies of my parent's birth
> >> certificates, just in case. If I had not made the trip to Slovakia with
> >> my
> >> identification, Juraj would not have been able to view my family
> >> records.
> >> However, he would have been able to complete research for me in the
> >> regional
> >> archives, in Kosice. In my case, the Kosice archive records are
> >> duplicates
> >> of the LDS microfilmed records, which I have already viewed, here in the
> >> US.
> >> Hope that I have answered your questions and good luck with your
> >> research!
> >> Carolyn Ziurys
> >> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, piekielnik@ wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Carolyn,
> >> >
> >> > I have run into so many gaps in the FHL films. Perhaps Juraj could
> >> help
> >> me.
> >> >
> >> > May I ask what those four days cost? I assume that you had to pay his
> >> travel and lodging.
> >> >
> >> > I have always hesitated to hire someone to research the archives and
> >> parish records. Without more information I can't continue pursuing
> >> additional family history.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Carolyn (on the SR site I am nilo4rak@, but I never use that address)
> >> >
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