Re: [S-R] History of Slovakia & Landholders - For Tom Geiss
I would strongly suggest you read "A History of Slovakia: The Struggle for
Survival", Stanislav J. Kirschbaum, May 1996, In-print, paperback. This
is by far the best introductory material on the subject.
The root of it, which culminated in WWI, which originated in Hungary, was
the huge gap between the rich and poor, which even after emancipation of
the peasants remained a stranglehold on majority population. Most
certainly it was a class struggle. You will learn your answers after
It's impossible to know the specific circumstances of your family, but for
the most part the largest estates were nationalized, most especially those
of nobility. Many large landholdings did in fact remain in private hands
until Communism took hold.
It sounds like your family was of noble status. Since noble landholding
were well documented, it would serve you well to check out SLOVAK
GENEALOGICAL - HERALDIC SOCIETY
You may also find it interesting to paw around the landholdings database.
On Mon, October 5, 2009 11:37 am, Tom Geiss wrote:
> I am enjoying all this HISTORY of migration, and its reasons.
> Perhaps some of you can enlighten me as to exactly what caused my
> grandmother's relatives to "Have their VERY LARGE FARM taken away
> from them at the time of WW1 " (Or maybe before, I'm not sure??) ( In
> Spisska Nova Ves)
> What I have from those now dead and gone, is that
> " They had a large farm; were prosperous for the times, had many
> field hands; had PRIVATE TUTORS, were well educated, etc.Doctors ,
> lawyers, etc.
> Then THIS WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM. All those left behind were
> My question is, Killed by whom? Was it the war? Was it
> Were they resented because they were AUSTRIAN, RICH? What were the
> forces at play here. I have not found any survivors, yet.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-R] The Two Village Rule
> Bill T's points are right on the mark. Today, I have Slovak cousins
> working in CR, England, Ireland and USA. However, pre-1900 mobility
> was not too great, though I do show one branch headed south from
> Dubravka with the all the family in tow -- and then returning after a
> few years. Following the job market, perhaps.
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- Bill, MacCartney doesn't really cover this very well, but I did find some
answers in my own library. Fel and Hofer's "Proper Peasants" has a succinct
description of what happened following the emancipation of the serfs in
1848, though I still haven't found the answer to "how many?".
Thanks for your effort to help.
Whenever I read an especially good response to an interesting query, I can
always tell before looking if you were the author. Your knowledge is
phenomenal. Thank you for your continuing efforts to educate us all.
From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Tarkulich
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:54 AM
Subject: RE: [S-R] Landowners
It may have been MacCartney
Hungary: A Short History, TRIANON HUNGARY, C. A. Macartney
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> Question for Bill: Some time ago, somewhere, I read statistics on how many
> freed serfs were able to purchase their land from the landowners following
> the liberation of 1848. This left many serfs even poorer off than they had
> been before. Now I can't locate where I read this. Any clue?