RE: [S-R] 1869 Hungarian census for Gbely - Life back then
- Good points. We can't attribute cramped quarters entirely to poverty, although it is an important factor. Traditions varied from village to village. In some villages, the first born son and his wife raised his family in his parents home, while the other children were expected to leave. Other villages varied. In some households, there was not enough help and other young single people lived with them to help out in the house or in the field.
Often people left because the "gardens" were simply not large enough to feed the number of heads. These decsions were often made the the age of 16, which may seem tender by today's western standards.
More good reading on these topics can be found here.
From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lkocik@...
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] 1869 Hungarian census for Gbely
I have the 1869 Hungarian census on loan untill the end of Oct. I have found my family and a lot of others that are tied to mine by marriage. I am also noting the names I recognize from the Slovak neighborhood in Binghamton, N.Y.
If anyone has a name of interest, let me know, and I'll forward the information to you..
One interesting fact about Gbely that would be of interest to the group in general, is ;going house to house, I noticed only one family that didn't share a house. One house had 5 families. As in U.S. early census, there were boarders, relatives, farm hands, etc. This echos what Bill T. says about the hard times in Slovakia before the mass emmigration of the later 19th century.
Larry Kocik [Kocich in Gbely]
- Bill, MacCartney doesn't really cover this very well, but I did find some
answers in my own library. Fel and Hofer's "Proper Peasants" has a succinct
description of what happened following the emancipation of the serfs in
1848, though I still haven't found the answer to "how many?".
Thanks for your effort to help.
Whenever I read an especially good response to an interesting query, I can
always tell before looking if you were the author. Your knowledge is
phenomenal. Thank you for your continuing efforts to educate us all.
From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Tarkulich
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:54 AM
Subject: RE: [S-R] Landowners
It may have been MacCartney
Hungary: A Short History, TRIANON HUNGARY, C. A. Macartney
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> Question for Bill: Some time ago, somewhere, I read statistics on how many
> freed serfs were able to purchase their land from the landowners following
> the liberation of 1848. This left many serfs even poorer off than they had
> been before. Now I can't locate where I read this. Any clue?