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  • Tom Geiss
    When looking through LDS micofilm, I run into HUDEK ,HUDECK KODESCH HODESCH?? Then ,when I go to Slovak White Pages, the only ones that give me any matches
    Message 1 of 13 , Sep 5, 2009
      When looking through LDS micofilm, I run into HUDEK ,HUDECK KODESCH HODESCH??
      Then ,when I go to Slovak White Pages, the only ones that give me any matches or info are HUDEK and KODESCH.
      Also I found SZONOGA, and got no help from the white pages until I dropped the Z and just wrote it SONOGA.
      Is there some movement in Slovakia to get rid of all Hungarian spellings??

      Also, my ancestors name was GURKO. White pages give me nothing on GURKO, but several addresses of GURKA. Are these two the same name with different spellings?
      Tom

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    • nhasior@aol.com
      Tom, have you tried putting Gurko or any of the other names into the one step search by robert Morse? _http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/eidb/ellis.html_
      Message 2 of 13 , Sep 5, 2009
        Tom,
        have you tried putting Gurko or any of the other names into the one step
        search by robert Morse?
        _http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/eidb/ellis.html_
        (http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/eidb/ellis.html)
        Noreen





        In a message dated 9/5/2009 2:18:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
        tomfgurka@... writes:




        When looking through LDS micofilm, I run into HUDEK ,HUDECK KODESCH
        HODESCH??
        Then ,when I go to Slovak White Pages, the only ones that give me any
        matches or info are HUDEK and KODESCH.
        Also I found SZONOGA, and got no help from the white pages until I dropped
        the Z and just wrote it SONOGA.
        Is there some movement in Slovakia to get rid of all Hungarian spellings??

        Also, my ancestors name was GURKO. White pages give me nothing on GURKO,
        but several addresses of GURKA. Are these two the same name with different
        spellings?
        Tom

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      • Michael Mojher
        Tom, I used the 1995 Slovakia Census database to search the spellings of the surnames to listed in your message. Hudeck 0 hits, a list of alternatives was
        Message 3 of 13 , Sep 5, 2009
          Tom,
          I used the 1995 Slovakia Census database to search the spellings of the surnames to listed in your message.
          Hudeck 0 hits, a list of alternatives was given.
          Hudek - 108 found in 28 locations.
          Hudcek - 46 found in 16 locations.
          Hudecek - 167 found 65 locations.
          Hudecz - 7 found in 5 locations.
          Hudec - 3318 found in 587 locations.
          From this you can see there are a variety of spellings. If yours is Hudek then it is one of the lesser used spellings.
          Kodesch - 4 found in 2 locations
          Hodesch - 0
          Holisch - 12 found in 7 locations
          Kosesch given as an alternative.
          Szonoga - 0
          Sonoga - 36 listings in 14 locations.
          Gurko - 1 found in 1 location.
          Gurka - 98 found in 28 locations.
          Since in 1995 there was only one person with the spelling Gurko I would conclude that somewhere along the way the "a" got changed to an "o".
          In my own name in Slovakia it is spelled Mojcher, but originally there and in the USA it is Mojher. I found in the records how and when the "c" got added. So things do happen to names.
          If there is a "z" associated with an "s" or a "c" you can pretty well understand that it was a Hungarian form of the name. During the Magyarization period Hungarian spellings were forced upon people. Look at Hudecz and Hudec, 7 vs 3318. More than likely many of those families dropped the "z". As far as I know there is not a formal movement to change the Hungarian spellings back to the Slovak spellings. Since the Hungarian spellings were forced on people to begin with it should not be a surprise they would change it back to the original. A more interesting answer would be "Why did they keep the Hungarian spelling?"


          From: Tom Geiss
          Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:16 AM
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [S-R] Name Changes


          When looking through LDS micofilm, I run into HUDEK ,HUDECK KODESCH HODESCH??
          Then ,when I go to Slovak White Pages, the only ones that give me any matches or info are HUDEK and KODESCH.
          Also I found SZONOGA, and got no help from the white pages until I dropped the Z and just wrote it SONOGA.
          Is there some movement in Slovakia to get rid of all Hungarian spellings??

          Also, my ancestors name was GURKO. White pages give me nothing on GURKO, but several addresses of GURKA. Are these two the same name with different spellings?
          Tom

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        • Tom Geiss
          Thanks, Mike, for looking that up. I will print taat and save it. I see you sent it at 1.00 AM. You were working overtime. In the case of the GURKO name,
          Message 4 of 13 , Sep 6, 2009
            Thanks, Mike, for looking that up. I will print taat and save it.
            I see you sent it at 1.00 AM. You were working overtime.
            In the case of the GURKO name, it's the other way around though. I found my grandma's GURKO family, on microfilm, but can't find anybody with that name today.
            They were kicked out of one town at the time of WW1, or before. And kicked out of another one after WW2, probably by the communists.
            According to one marriage record , some were "SL'ACHTIC " (Aristocratic) in other words, Too High Class for their own good.
            When Vladi went to Brezovica this summer to get me a photo of the family house (or ruins thereof) he was shown a sign that read, " Here is where the Gurko family house was "
            I'm suspecting that if there are any survivors left, that they are HIDING , have probably changed their name, and don't want to be found. I know of one who was buried in Kosice, in ROSALIA CEMETERY?? not too many years ago. Someday I'll get someone to go there and find out how her last name is spelled.
            Tom
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Michael Mojher
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:43 AM
            Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes


            Tom,
            I used the 1995 Slovakia Census database to search the spellings of the surnames to listed in your message.
            Hudeck 0 hits, a list of alternatives was given.
            Hudek - 108 found in 28 locations.
            Hudcek - 46 found in 16 locations.
            Hudecek - 167 found 65 locations.
            Hudecz - 7 found in 5 locations.
            Hudec - 3318 found in 587 locations.
            From this you can see there are a variety of spellings. If yours is Hudek then it is one of the lesser used spellings.
            Kodesch - 4 found in 2 locations
            Hodesch - 0
            Holisch - 12 found in 7 locations
            Kosesch given as an alternative.
            Szonoga - 0
            Sonoga - 36 listings in 14 locations.
            Gurko - 1 found in 1 location.
            Gurka - 98 found in 28 locations.
            Since in 1995 there was only one person with the spelling Gurko I would conclude that somewhere along the way the "a" got changed to an "o".
            In my own name in Slovakia it is spelled Mojcher, but originally there and in the USA it is Mojher. I found in the records how and when the "c" got added. So things do happen to names.
            If there is a "z" associated with an "s" or a "c" you can pretty well understand that it was a Hungarian form of the name. During the Magyarization period Hungarian spellings were forced upon people. Look at Hudecz and Hudec, 7 vs 3318. More than likely many of those families dropped the "z". As far as I know there is not a formal movement to change the Hungarian spellings back to the Slovak spellings. Since the Hungarian spellings were forced on people to begin with it should not be a surprise they would change it back to the original. A more interesting answer would be "Why did they keep the Hungarian spelling?"

            From: Tom Geiss
            Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:16 AM
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [S-R] Name Changes

            When looking through LDS micofilm, I run into HUDEK ,HUDECK KODESCH HODESCH??
            Then ,when I go to Slovak White Pages, the only ones that give me any matches or info are HUDEK and KODESCH.
            Also I found SZONOGA, and got no help from the white pages until I dropped the Z and just wrote it SONOGA.
            Is there some movement in Slovakia to get rid of all Hungarian spellings??

            Also, my ancestors name was GURKO. White pages give me nothing on GURKO, but several addresses of GURKA. Are these two the same name with different spellings?
            Tom

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          • Michael Mojher
            Tom, I was up late working on another project. I had some time to kill during it and plugged in your surnames while waiting. That one Gurko in the 1995 Census
            Message 5 of 13 , Sep 6, 2009
              Tom,
              I was up late working on another project. I had some time to kill during it and plugged in your surnames while waiting.
              That one Gurko in the 1995 Census was located in Castkov in the district of Senica. If there was only one Gurko in 1995 it could well be if they died there are no longer any left in Slovakia. I could understand them hiding prior to 1993, but after that they would have no reason to fear being "Sl'achtic".
              Of all things, as I write my translators from my first two trips to Slovakia are visiting me. They are from Kosice. If you like I will see if they will search out your relatives grave. Send all the information you have on it.
              I did find this -
              Last and first name Age Place of burial Date of funeral includes

              Gurkó István 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 02.05.1896
              Gurko Mihály 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 24.06.1898
              Gurková Ruzena 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 30.09.1930
              Gurková Anna 82 Kosice - Verejný cintorín - Kolumbárium 00.00.1996

              Link - http://www.cemetery.sk/english/?

              I'm not sure why the first three has an age of "0". Possibly they did die at or close to birth and no age was given.
              I read where the Rozalia cemetery is very large and finding grave sites can be difficult. At least you know Anna is in the Kolumbarium, which should make it easier to find her. I can ask Maros to take a photograph of it for you.


              From: Tom Geiss
              Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:24 AM
              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes


              Thanks, Mike, for looking that up. I will print taat and save it.
              I see you sent it at 1.00 AM. You were working overtime.
              In the case of the GURKO name, it's the other way around though. I found my grandma's GURKO family, on microfilm, but can't find anybody with that name today.
              They were kicked out of one town at the time of WW1, or before. And kicked out of another one after WW2, probably by the communists.
              According to one marriage record , some were "SL'ACHTIC " (Aristocratic) in other words, Too High Class for their own good.
              When Vladi went to Brezovica this summer to get me a photo of the family house (or ruins thereof) he was shown a sign that read, " Here is where the Gurko family house was "
              I'm suspecting that if there are any survivors left, that they are HIDING , have probably changed their name, and don't want to be found. I know of one who was buried in Kosice, in ROSALIA CEMETERY?? not too many years ago. Someday I'll get someone to go there and find out how her last name is spelled.
              Tom
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Michael Mojher
              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:43 AM
              Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

              Tom,
              I used the 1995 Slovakia Census database to search the spellings of the surnames to listed in your message.
              Hudeck 0 hits, a list of alternatives was given.
              Hudek - 108 found in 28 locations.
              Hudcek - 46 found in 16 locations.
              Hudecek - 167 found 65 locations.
              Hudecz - 7 found in 5 locations.
              Hudec - 3318 found in 587 locations.
              From this you can see there are a variety of spellings. If yours is Hudek then it is one of the lesser used spellings.
              Kodesch - 4 found in 2 locations
              Hodesch - 0
              Holisch - 12 found in 7 locations
              Kosesch given as an alternative.
              Szonoga - 0
              Sonoga - 36 listings in 14 locations.
              Gurko - 1 found in 1 location.
              Gurka - 98 found in 28 locations.
              Since in 1995 there was only one person with the spelling Gurko I would conclude that somewhere along the way the "a" got changed to an "o".
              In my own name in Slovakia it is spelled Mojcher, but originally there and in the USA it is Mojher. I found in the records how and when the "c" got added. So things do happen to names.
              If there is a "z" associated with an "s" or a "c" you can pretty well understand that it was a Hungarian form of the name. During the Magyarization period Hungarian spellings were forced upon people. Look at Hudecz and Hudec, 7 vs 3318. More than likely many of those families dropped the "z". As far as I know there is not a formal movement to change the Hungarian spellings back to the Slovak spellings. Since the Hungarian spellings were forced on people to begin with it should not be a surprise they would change it back to the original. A more interesting answer would be "Why did they keep the Hungarian spelling?"

              From: Tom Geiss
              Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:16 AM
              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-R] Name Changes

              When looking through LDS micofilm, I run into HUDEK ,HUDECK KODESCH HODESCH??
              Then ,when I go to Slovak White Pages, the only ones that give me any matches or info are HUDEK and KODESCH.
              Also I found SZONOGA, and got no help from the white pages until I dropped the Z and just wrote it SONOGA.
              Is there some movement in Slovakia to get rid of all Hungarian spellings??

              Also, my ancestors name was GURKO. White pages give me nothing on GURKO, but several addresses of GURKA. Are these two the same name with different spellings?
              Tom

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            • Bill Tarkulich
              Tom, You ask some very dangerous questions, I will give some questionable answers. ;) 1. The microfilms you are looking at are probably 100 years or older.
              Message 6 of 13 , Sep 6, 2009
                Tom,
                You ask some very dangerous questions, I will give some questionable
                answers. ;)

                1. The microfilms you are looking at are probably 100 years or older. The
                White Pages are now. Especially after WW2, there was a lot of migration.
                Entire family surnames disappeared from the village, often even the country.
                Many of the poorest went to the-now Czech republic to work and never
                returned. Movements and marriages outside the villages caused lines to fade
                out (hey, I have three girls!)

                2. Names were rendered in the "official" language of the church and later of
                the government. Understanding the historical context of the times is
                essential. Major document breakpoints were early 1700s, 1850s, 19-teens,
                after 1918, 1938-45 and 1993.

                3. Some names morphed over time. Most did not. There is no "official
                morphing guide." There are as many reasons to change names as there are
                people. Never extrapolate name A = name B without good evidence.

                4. Movement to get rid of Hungarian? I think you mean the Magyar language.
                That is a super-loaded question. I will hit and run: First, old documents
                will not be changed. They are what they are. It's up to YOU the reader,
                the historian to interpret them in the context of the time. Often 100 years
                ago, there was no "official" spelling. Heck, most people couldn't even read
                and there was no notion of "positive ID". After the Hungary Kingdom was
                crushed in 1914, the official language of the government of Czechoslovakia
                was Czech and Slovak. Documents after this time were then rendered with the
                change.
                Hit and run two: Some people adopted the Magyar spelling regardless of
                their ethnicity. Magyars always lived in Slovakia and still do. Don't
                discount that a Magyar spelling may in fact be a family of ethnic Magyar.
                Preponderance of ethnic Magyar remain in southern reaches of Slovakia, so
                check a map when looking at possible villages.

                5. I would never reach GURKO GURKA are the same. You really should find
                the village of origin of your ancestors. That would give you far better
                clues where to look.

                As you can see, I'm not a fan of chasing names. What is your ancestral
                village.


                Bill

                -----Original Message-----
                From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                Behalf Of Tom Geiss
                Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 2:16 PM
                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [S-R] Name Changes

                When looking through LDS micofilm, I run into HUDEK ,HUDECK KODESCH
                HODESCH??
                Then ,when I go to Slovak White Pages, the only ones that give me any
                matches or info are HUDEK and KODESCH.
                Also I found SZONOGA, and got no help from the white pages until I
                dropped the Z and just wrote it SONOGA.
                Is there some movement in Slovakia to get rid of all Hungarian
                spellings??

                Also, my ancestors name was GURKO. White pages give me nothing on
                GURKO, but several addresses of GURKA. Are these two the same name
                with different spellings?
                Tom

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              • Michael Mojher
                Tom, Bill has presented some very good points on how a historical context is needed in order to understand our genealogical research finds. I think each of us
                Message 7 of 13 , Sep 6, 2009
                  Tom,
                  Bill has presented some very good points on how a historical context is needed in order to understand our genealogical research finds. I think each of us have wondered why our ancestors migrated. The point was brought home to me when a cousin who had gone to our ancestral village before me stated, "Why would they have wanted to leave such beautiful country?" At that time I had no answer. Now with six trips to Slovakia and as many history books on Slovakia read I feel I have some perspective on the question of why.
                  Bill lists years of "Major document breakpoints". Those points correspond very closely to important historical events in Hungary. While we are all proud of our Slovak roots, one cannot dismiss the historical fact that for 900 years the land that is present day Slovakia was under Hungarian rule. That history had a profound affect on the "why" question.
                  The vast majority of Slovak immigration happened between 1880 and 1930. The book Round-Trip to America has a chart that showed between 1908 and 1923 225,033 Slovaks immigrated to America. The surprising fact is 57% of them returned home! We are the product of the 43% that stayed. Only three other nationalities had a higher return rate. Interestingly, Magyar (Hungarians) at 66% was one.
                  Those numbers do not have a context. By reading Slovak history two situations makes one understand something about the "why".
                  The Slovak peasants each year had to put in so many hours of labor for the local nobility. Plus trying to raise enough to keep themselves alive during the year. The pay for their labor and their farming often did not produce enough to keep the family from starving. In order to make "ends meet" for 400 years Slovak peasants would hire themselves out in the off season in countries all over Europe. They would make enough money to survive and return home. When trains and steamships make it possible to get to America easily and back, they just kept up the long tradition of working elsewhere and returning home.
                  Another force for immigration was the Hungarian policy of Magyarization. Where by the Hungarians who were 35 to 40% of the population wanted to turn everyone else into a Magyar. This was only possible because the Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867 gave the Magyars the ability to rule as they pleased. Under Magyarization the Magyar language was the "official" one. As a result you find Slovak names used Magyar spellings. Any school that taught in Slovak was closed. All government paperwork had to be in Magyar. This is when we see the Church Registers are filed in Magyar. Admittedly, for most peasants Magyarization did not have a huge impact. The most immediate would be church run elementary schools that taught in Slovak had to teach in Magyar or close. But it did create an negative atmosphere the peasant would have been aware of. The immigrants in American were often more "politically aware" because of their access to Slovak newspapers in America. When those emigrants returned home they became a force that empowered the Slovak national movement.
                  Sometimes the history behind the "why" can be very interesting.
                  From: Bill Tarkulich
                  Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:01 PM
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: RE: [S-R] Name Changes GURKO


                  Tom,
                  You ask some very dangerous questions, I will give some questionable
                  answers. ;)

                  1. The microfilms you are looking at are probably 100 years or older. The
                  White Pages are now. Especially after WW2, there was a lot of migration.
                  Entire family surnames disappeared from the village, often even the country.
                  Many of the poorest went to the-now Czech republic to work and never
                  returned. Movements and marriages outside the villages caused lines to fade
                  out (hey, I have three girls!)

                  2. Names were rendered in the "official" language of the church and later of
                  the government. Understanding the historical context of the times is
                  essential. Major document breakpoints were early 1700s, 1850s, 19-teens,
                  after 1918, 1938-45 and 1993.

                  3. Some names morphed over time. Most did not. There is no "official
                  morphing guide." There are as many reasons to change names as there are
                  people. Never extrapolate name A = name B without good evidence.

                  4. Movement to get rid of Hungarian? I think you mean the Magyar language.
                  That is a super-loaded question. I will hit and run: First, old documents
                  will not be changed. They are what they are. It's up to YOU the reader,
                  the historian to interpret them in the context of the time. Often 100 years
                  ago, there was no "official" spelling. Heck, most people couldn't even read
                  and there was no notion of "positive ID". After the Hungary Kingdom was
                  crushed in 1914, the official language of the government of Czechoslovakia
                  was Czech and Slovak. Documents after this time were then rendered with the
                  change.
                  Hit and run two: Some people adopted the Magyar spelling regardless of
                  their ethnicity. Magyars always lived in Slovakia and still do. Don't
                  discount that a Magyar spelling may in fact be a family of ethnic Magyar.
                  Preponderance of ethnic Magyar remain in southern reaches of Slovakia, so
                  check a map when looking at possible villages.

                  5. I would never reach GURKO GURKA are the same. You really should find
                  the village of origin of your ancestors. That would give you far better
                  clues where to look.

                  As you can see, I'm not a fan of chasing names. What is your ancestral
                  village.

                  Bill

                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                  Behalf Of Tom Geiss
                  Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 2:16 PM
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [S-R] Name Changes

                  When looking through LDS micofilm, I run into HUDEK ,HUDECK KODESCH
                  HODESCH??
                  Then ,when I go to Slovak White Pages, the only ones that give me any
                  matches or info are HUDEK and KODESCH.
                  Also I found SZONOGA, and got no help from the white pages until I
                  dropped the Z and just wrote it SONOGA.
                  Is there some movement in Slovakia to get rid of all Hungarian
                  spellings??

                  Also, my ancestors name was GURKO. White pages give me nothing on
                  GURKO, but several addresses of GURKA. Are these two the same name
                  with different spellings?
                  Tom

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                • Tom Geiss
                  Thanks , Bill, for your input. I do know the ancestral villages. I guess this group is getting tired of hearing my story, but I will bore you all once
                  Message 8 of 13 , Sep 6, 2009
                    Thanks , Bill, for your input. I do know the ancestral villages. I guess this group is getting tired of hearing my story, but I will bore you all once more with the details.
                    First of all , here is what I learned a few years ago, from reports of my grandmother, aunts, uncles (all since deceased). My grandma's family, (which was Austrian, and spoke German) had a large farm in Iglo , Hungary, (after 1918 it became Spisska Nova Ves). They were prosperous for the times, had many servants and workers.
                    The farm was confiscated during WW1, and family living there were all killed.
                    Only those who left the farm prior to the war were alive.

                    (The descendents of these I've been seeking the last three years, with the help of my AMERICAN friend, who lives in SNV. Has lived there since 1939, when , at 13 , she got stuck there by the war.)
                    I have found most of my grandma's siblings, on LDS microfilms, which are authentic, (including illegible handwriting). Also I have much of my grandma's PEDIGREE, which I paid the Levoca Archives to do, all the way back to 1764. (they found as much as my money would allow).
                    Then a year and a half ago I heard about a letter written to grandma in the thirties, from BREZOVICA NAD TORYSA. I E-mailed this info to my friend in SNV, and she called her friend ,Anna Mikova, who lives there, and was told that the GURKOS (Gurkas??) used to live there , but they're all gone. In subsequent weeks Anna talked to older people, whose parents and grandparents used to work for the Gurkas.

                    I obtained, from the Presov Archives the marriage docoment of my grandmother's brother JOZSEF GURKO, and his wife Terezia Guminszki, for verification that he was the same one born in Spisska Nova Ves. Of course I'm taking the archives' word for this, since this is NOT AN ORIGINAL DOCUMENT?? I believe that there are words in Slovak at the bottom, that (I think ) state this.
                    They had a son, killed in WW1, and three daughters, RUZENA ALZBETA, AND TEREZIA.
                    Their house is the one that is NO LONGER THERE. Vladi was there last June.
                    The three daughters are supposed to have gone to Kosice.
                    Their daughter ,Ruzena, was Anna Mikova,s teacher in school (5th to 9th grades), in the 1940's. So , Michael, this would be a different Ruzena, since you say she died in 1930. Anna Mikova went to her funeral, (and Anna wasn't born until 1936).
                    There is so much more, but this is getting long.
                    Jozef Gurko was born in 1866, got married in 1893.

                    All I have to do is find out where my AUSTRIAN family got the Slavik name of GURKO ??
                    Thanks for all the help so far. Tom
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: Michael Mojher
                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:40 PM
                    Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes


                    Tom,
                    I was up late working on another project. I had some time to kill during it and plugged in your surnames while waiting.
                    That one Gurko in the 1995 Census was located in Castkov in the district of Senica. If there was only one Gurko in 1995 it could well be if they died there are no longer any left in Slovakia. I could understand them hiding prior to 1993, but after that they would have no reason to fear being "Sl'achtic".
                    Of all things, as I write my translators from my first two trips to Slovakia are visiting me. They are from Kosice. If you like I will see if they will search out your relatives grave. Send all the information you have on it.
                    I did find this -
                    Last and first name Age Place of burial Date of funeral includes

                    Gurkó István 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 02.05.1896
                    Gurko Mihály 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 24.06.1898
                    Gurková Ruzena 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 30.09.1930
                    Gurková Anna 82 Kosice - Verejný cintorín - Kolumbárium 00.00.1996

                    Link - http://www.cemetery.sk/english/?

                    I'm not sure why the first three has an age of "0". Possibly they did die at or close to birth and no age was given.
                    I read where the Rozalia cemetery is very large and finding grave sites can be difficult. At least you know Anna is in the Kolumbarium, which should make it easier to find her. I can ask Maros to take a photograph of it for you.

                    From: Tom Geiss
                    Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:24 AM
                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                    Thanks, Mike, for looking that up. I will print taat and save it.
                    I see you sent it at 1.00 AM. You were working overtime.
                    In the case of the GURKO name, it's the other way around though. I found my grandma's GURKO family, on microfilm, but can't find anybody with that name today.
                    They were kicked out of one town at the time of WW1, or before. And kicked out of another one after WW2, probably by the communists.
                    According to one marriage record , some were "SL'ACHTIC " (Aristocratic) in other words, Too High Class for their own good.
                    When Vladi went to Brezovica this summer to get me a photo of the family house (or ruins thereof) he was shown a sign that read, " Here is where the Gurko family house was "
                    I'm suspecting that if there are any survivors left, that they are HIDING , have probably changed their name, and don't want to be found. I know of one who was buried in Kosice, in ROSALIA CEMETERY?? not too many years ago. Someday I'll get someone to go there and find out how her last name is spelled.
                    Tom
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: Michael Mojher
                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:43 AM
                    Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                    Tom,
                    I used the 1995 Slovakia Census database to search the spellings of the surnames to listed in your message.
                    Hudeck 0 hits, a list of alternatives was given.
                    Hudek - 108 found in 28 locations.
                    Hudcek - 46 found in 16 locations.
                    Hudecek - 167 found 65 locations.
                    Hudecz - 7 found in 5 locations.
                    Hudec - 3318 found in 587 locations.
                    From this you can see there are a variety of spellings. If yours is Hudek then it is one of the lesser used spellings.
                    Kodesch - 4 found in 2 locations
                    Hodesch - 0
                    Holisch - 12 found in 7 locations
                    Kosesch given as an alternative.
                    Szonoga - 0
                    Sonoga - 36 listings in 14 locations.
                    Gurko - 1 found in 1 location.
                    Gurka - 98 found in 28 locations.
                    Since in 1995 there was only one person with the spelling Gurko I would conclude that somewhere along the way the "a" got changed to an "o".
                    In my own name in Slovakia it is spelled Mojcher, but originally there and in the USA it is Mojher. I found in the records how and when the "c" got added. So things do happen to names.
                    If there is a "z" associated with an "s" or a "c" you can pretty well understand that it was a Hungarian form of the name. During the Magyarization period Hungarian spellings were forced upon people. Look at Hudecz and Hudec, 7 vs 3318. More than likely many of those families dropped the "z". As far as I know there is not a formal movement to change the Hungarian spellings back to the Slovak spellings. Since the Hungarian spellings were forced on people to begin with it should not be a surprise they would change it back to the original. A more interesting answer would be "Why did they keep the Hungarian spelling?"

                    From: Tom Geiss
                    Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:16 AM
                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [S-R] Name Changes

                    When looking through LDS micofilm, I run into HUDEK ,HUDECK KODESCH HODESCH??
                    Then ,when I go to Slovak White Pages, the only ones that give me any matches or info are HUDEK and KODESCH.
                    Also I found SZONOGA, and got no help from the white pages until I dropped the Z and just wrote it SONOGA.
                    Is there some movement in Slovakia to get rid of all Hungarian spellings??

                    Also, my ancestors name was GURKO. White pages give me nothing on GURKO, but several addresses of GURKA. Are these two the same name with different spellings?
                    Tom

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                  • Tom Geiss
                    Oh yes, and I ve pretty immersed myself in Slovak history the last three years, how Hungary controlled things for hundreds of years. I know the story of
                    Message 9 of 13 , Sep 6, 2009
                      Oh yes, and I've pretty immersed myself in Slovak history the last three years, how Hungary controlled things for hundreds of years. I know the story of JANOSIK all about Milan Rastislav Stefanic. who died in a plane crash that some say was no accident?? I know about the Cleveland agreement, and the Pittsburg Agreement, that led to the establishment of Czechoslovakia, in which some say the "Czechs got the cream; Slovaks got skim milk". Then there was the "First Slovak Republic' with Father Josef Tiso as president. (all with the blessing of Adolf Hitler) (from 1939 to 1945). This is all argued about on Slovak television even today.
                      And I'm told that even now sometimes Hungarians doo mean things like cause a disturbance at a ball game. or burn a Slovak flag in Budapest..
                      Tom
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Tom Geiss
                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 5:20 PM
                      Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes


                      Thanks , Bill, for your input. I do know the ancestral villages. I guess this group is getting tired of hearing my story, but I will bore you all once more with the details.
                      First of all , here is what I learned a few years ago, from reports of my grandmother, aunts, uncles (all since deceased). My grandma's family, (which was Austrian, and spoke German) had a large farm in Iglo , Hungary, (after 1918 it became Spisska Nova Ves). They were prosperous for the times, had many servants and workers.
                      The farm was confiscated during WW1, and family living there were all killed.
                      Only those who left the farm prior to the war were alive.

                      (The descendents of these I've been seeking the last three years, with the help of my AMERICAN friend, who lives in SNV. Has lived there since 1939, when , at 13 , she got stuck there by the war.)
                      I have found most of my grandma's siblings, on LDS microfilms, which are authentic, (including illegible handwriting). Also I have much of my grandma's PEDIGREE, which I paid the Levoca Archives to do, all the way back to 1764. (they found as much as my money would allow).
                      Then a year and a half ago I heard about a letter written to grandma in the thirties, from BREZOVICA NAD TORYSA. I E-mailed this info to my friend in SNV, and she called her friend ,Anna Mikova, who lives there, and was told that the GURKOS (Gurkas??) used to live there , but they're all gone. In subsequent weeks Anna talked to older people, whose parents and grandparents used to work for the Gurkas.

                      I obtained, from the Presov Archives the marriage docoment of my grandmother's brother JOZSEF GURKO, and his wife Terezia Guminszki, for verification that he was the same one born in Spisska Nova Ves. Of course I'm taking the archives' word for this, since this is NOT AN ORIGINAL DOCUMENT?? I believe that there are words in Slovak at the bottom, that (I think ) state this.
                      They had a son, killed in WW1, and three daughters, RUZENA ALZBETA, AND TEREZIA.
                      Their house is the one that is NO LONGER THERE. Vladi was there last June.
                      The three daughters are supposed to have gone to Kosice.
                      Their daughter ,Ruzena, was Anna Mikova,s teacher in school (5th to 9th grades), in the 1940's. So , Michael, this would be a different Ruzena, since you say she died in 1930. Anna Mikova went to her funeral, (and Anna wasn't born until 1936).
                      There is so much more, but this is getting long.
                      Jozef Gurko was born in 1866, got married in 1893.

                      All I have to do is find out where my AUSTRIAN family got the Slavik name of GURKO ??
                      Thanks for all the help so far. Tom
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Michael Mojher
                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:40 PM
                      Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                      Tom,
                      I was up late working on another project. I had some time to kill during it and plugged in your surnames while waiting.
                      That one Gurko in the 1995 Census was located in Castkov in the district of Senica. If there was only one Gurko in 1995 it could well be if they died there are no longer any left in Slovakia. I could understand them hiding prior to 1993, but after that they would have no reason to fear being "Sl'achtic".
                      Of all things, as I write my translators from my first two trips to Slovakia are visiting me. They are from Kosice. If you like I will see if they will search out your relatives grave. Send all the information you have on it.
                      I did find this -
                      Last and first name Age Place of burial Date of funeral includes

                      Gurkó István 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 02.05.1896
                      Gurko Mihály 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 24.06.1898
                      Gurková Ruzena 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 30.09.1930
                      Gurková Anna 82 Kosice - Verejný cintorín - Kolumbárium 00.00.1996

                      Link - http://www.cemetery.sk/english/?

                      I'm not sure why the first three has an age of "0". Possibly they did die at or close to birth and no age was given.
                      I read where the Rozalia cemetery is very large and finding grave sites can be difficult. At least you know Anna is in the Kolumbarium, which should make it easier to find her. I can ask Maros to take a photograph of it for you.

                      From: Tom Geiss
                      Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:24 AM
                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                      Thanks, Mike, for looking that up. I will print taat and save it.
                      I see you sent it at 1.00 AM. You were working overtime.
                      In the case of the GURKO name, it's the other way around though. I found my grandma's GURKO family, on microfilm, but can't find anybody with that name today.
                      They were kicked out of one town at the time of WW1, or before. And kicked out of another one after WW2, probably by the communists.
                      According to one marriage record , some were "SL'ACHTIC " (Aristocratic) in other words, Too High Class for their own good.
                      When Vladi went to Brezovica this summer to get me a photo of the family house (or ruins thereof) he was shown a sign that read, " Here is where the Gurko family house was "
                      I'm suspecting that if there are any survivors left, that they are HIDING , have probably changed their name, and don't want to be found. I know of one who was buried in Kosice, in ROSALIA CEMETERY?? not too many years ago. Someday I'll get someone to go there and find out how her last name is spelled.
                      Tom
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Michael Mojher
                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:43 AM
                      Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                      Tom,
                      I used the 1995 Slovakia Census database to search the spellings of the surnames to listed in your message.
                      Hudeck 0 hits, a list of alternatives was given.
                      Hudek - 108 found in 28 locations.
                      Hudcek - 46 found in 16 locations.
                      Hudecek - 167 found 65 locations.
                      Hudecz - 7 found in 5 locations.
                      Hudec - 3318 found in 587 locations.
                      From this you can see there are a variety of spellings. If yours is Hudek then it is one of the lesser used spellings.
                      Kodesch - 4 found in 2 locations
                      Hodesch - 0
                      Holisch - 12 found in 7 locations
                      Kosesch given as an alternative.
                      Szonoga - 0
                      Sonoga - 36 listings in 14 locations.
                      Gurko - 1 found in 1 location.
                      Gurka - 98 found in 28 locations.
                      Since in 1995 there was only one person with the spelling Gurko I would conclude that somewhere along the way the "a" got changed to an "o".
                      In my own name in Slovakia it is spelled Mojcher, but originally there and in the USA it is Mojher. I found in the records how and when the "c" got added. So things do happen to names.
                      If there is a "z" associated with an "s" or a "c" you can pretty well understand that it was a Hungarian form of the name. During the Magyarization period Hungarian spellings were forced upon people. Look at Hudecz and Hudec, 7 vs 3318. More than likely many of those families dropped the "z". As far as I know there is not a formal movement to change the Hungarian spellings back to the Slovak spellings. Since the Hungarian spellings were forced on people to begin with it should not be a surprise they would change it back to the original. A more interesting answer would be "Why did they keep the Hungarian spelling?"

                      From: Tom Geiss
                      Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:16 AM
                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-R] Name Changes

                      When looking through LDS micofilm, I run into HUDEK ,HUDECK KODESCH HODESCH??
                      Then ,when I go to Slovak White Pages, the only ones that give me any matches or info are HUDEK and KODESCH.
                      Also I found SZONOGA, and got no help from the white pages until I dropped the Z and just wrote it SONOGA.
                      Is there some movement in Slovakia to get rid of all Hungarian spellings??

                      Also, my ancestors name was GURKO. White pages give me nothing on GURKO, but several addresses of GURKA. Are these two the same name with different spellings?
                      Tom

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                    • Bill Tarkulich
                      And I m told that even now sometimes Hungarians doo mean things like cause a disturbance at a ball game. or burn a Slovak flag in Budapest.. Sadly,
                      Message 10 of 13 , Sep 6, 2009
                        " And I'm told that even now sometimes Hungarians doo mean things like
                        cause a disturbance at a ball game. or burn a Slovak flag in Budapest.."

                        Sadly, that still goes on in many countries, not just Slovakia.



                        Tom
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: Tom Geiss
                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 5:20 PM
                        Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes


                        Thanks , Bill, for your input. I do know the ancestral villages. I guess
                        this group is getting tired of hearing my story, but I will bore you all
                        once more with the details.
                        First of all , here is what I learned a few years ago, from reports of my
                        grandmother, aunts, uncles (all since deceased). My grandma's family, (which
                        was Austrian, and spoke German) had a large farm in Iglo , Hungary, (after
                        1918 it became Spisska Nova Ves). They were prosperous for the times, had
                        many servants and workers.
                        The farm was confiscated during WW1, and family living there were all
                        killed.
                        Only those who left the farm prior to the war were alive.

                        (The descendents of these I've been seeking the last three years, with the
                        help of my AMERICAN friend, who lives in SNV. Has lived there since 1939,
                        when , at 13 , she got stuck there by the war.)
                        I have found most of my grandma's siblings, on LDS microfilms, which are
                        authentic, (including illegible handwriting). Also I have much of my
                        grandma's PEDIGREE, which I paid the Levoca Archives to do, all the way back
                        to 1764. (they found as much as my money would allow).
                        Then a year and a half ago I heard about a letter written to grandma in
                        the thirties, from BREZOVICA NAD TORYSA. I E-mailed this info to my friend
                        in SNV, and she called her friend ,Anna Mikova, who lives there, and was
                        told that the GURKOS (Gurkas??) used to live there , but they're all gone.
                        In subsequent weeks Anna talked to older people, whose parents and
                        grandparents used to work for the Gurkas.

                        I obtained, from the Presov Archives the marriage docoment of my
                        grandmother's brother JOZSEF GURKO, and his wife Terezia Guminszki, for
                        verification that he was the same one born in Spisska Nova Ves. Of course
                        I'm taking the archives' word for this, since this is NOT AN ORIGINAL
                        DOCUMENT?? I believe that there are words in Slovak at the bottom, that (I
                        think ) state this.
                        They had a son, killed in WW1, and three daughters, RUZENA ALZBETA, AND
                        TEREZIA.
                        Their house is the one that is NO LONGER THERE. Vladi was there last June.
                        The three daughters are supposed to have gone to Kosice.
                        Their daughter ,Ruzena, was Anna Mikova,s teacher in school (5th to 9th
                        grades), in the 1940's. So , Michael, this would be a different Ruzena,
                        since you say she died in 1930. Anna Mikova went to her funeral, (and Anna
                        wasn't born until 1936).
                        There is so much more, but this is getting long.
                        Jozef Gurko was born in 1866, got married in 1893.

                        All I have to do is find out where my AUSTRIAN family got the Slavik name
                        of GURKO ??
                        Thanks for all the help so far. Tom
                      • Bill Tarkulich
                        Tom, Documentation mistakes still cannot be discounted. Nobody was looking for positive ID until the 1960s, especially in Czechoslovakia. So you got info
                        Message 11 of 13 , Sep 6, 2009
                          Tom,
                          Documentation mistakes still cannot be discounted. Nobody was looking for
                          "positive ID" until the 1960s, especially in Czechoslovakia.

                          So you got info that GURKO/GURKA did exist in the village. My "hunch" and
                          it is just that is that GURKO maybe a Rusyn name with roots in the East of
                          present-day Slovakia. GURKA may be a Magyar name with roots in present-day
                          Hungary.

                          I would want to know from Anna Mikova:
                          1. What years did these family live there?
                          2. What religion were they?
                          3. Has someone checked the cemetery? Are they buried there.

                          It's possible they were "nomadic", or at least, had all their BMDs
                          consummated elsewhere.

                          RUZENA ALZBETA, AND TEREZIA - these are interesting given names. Middle
                          name is Slovak, the other two are Czech. What religion were they baptized?

                          Have you had anyone go to the SNV town offices and look for BMD records?
                          Privacy laws apply of course. I'd be interested in records from 1895
                          forward.

                          What year did GURKO name start showing up in the records, where, and what
                          was the birth year of that GURKO?

                          There are other less "clean" reasons for all of this. Rape. Adoption.
                          Death. War. Name gets changed later. Illegitimate birth. These are hugely
                          difficult to figure out.
                          For example, My grandmother's sister went to Ukraine to work, had an
                          illegitimate son, returned to the village, married later and had more
                          children. The son had the blood father's surname. Later, he detested that
                          name so much, he legally changed his surname to something else. I never
                          would have uncovered that without his daughter's testimony.

                          I would study the period around World War One carefully.
                          Build a timeline, not a pedigree, and try to fill in the events.

                          1866 - JOZSEF GURKO born

                          1884-1892 Of course conscription from 18 to 22 was expected.

                          1893 - Jozef Gurko married. The archives looked this info up for you? You
                          can do it yourself at the FHC. Pull the 1893 film of the ORIGINAL DOCUMENT,
                          it will state their village of origin.

                          1893 - 1903 - Ruzena's parents were having kids (implied). 4 kids @ 2 years
                          each +25%.

                          1914-1918 WW1
                          1918 - Most landowners flee the country but continue to own the land.

                          1936 - Anna Mickova born
                          1940s - Ruzena was teaching -so she had to be late 30s to late 40s in age.
                          1950s - Estate property was transferred to state control.

                          1960s - I would expect Ruzena and siblings to have died around this time


                          Look at this, he married right out of the military. Where was he married?
                          You cannot discount that the MIKOS was not a nomadic family.

                          Another idea is to inspect property records from the village(s) in question.
                          If the family was affluent, they undoubtedly would hold property and there
                          would be a record of this. This can be done online or via Peter Nagy.
                          http://www.centroconsult.sk/genealogy/land.html

                          Good Luck,

                          Regard,

                          Bill


                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                          Behalf Of Tom Geiss
                          Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 6:21 PM
                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                          Thanks , Bill, for your input. I do know the ancestral villages. I
                          guess this group is getting tired of hearing my story, but I will bore you
                          all once more with the details.
                          First of all , here is what I learned a few years ago, from reports
                          of my grandmother, aunts, uncles (all since deceased). My grandma's
                          family, (which was Austrian, and spoke German) had a large farm in Iglo ,
                          Hungary, (after 1918 it became Spisska Nova Ves). They were prosperous for
                          the times, had many servants and workers.
                          The farm was confiscated during WW1, and family living there were all
                          killed.
                          Only those who left the farm prior to the war were alive.

                          (The descendents of these I've been seeking the last three years, with
                          the help of my AMERICAN friend, who lives in SNV. Has lived there since
                          1939, when , at 13 , she got stuck there by the war.)
                          I have found most of my grandma's siblings, on LDS microfilms, which
                          are authentic, (including illegible handwriting). Also I have much of my
                          grandma's PEDIGREE, which I paid the Levoca Archives to do, all the way
                          back to 1764. (they found as much as my money would allow).
                          Then a year and a half ago I heard about a letter written to grandma in
                          the thirties, from BREZOVICA NAD TORYSA. I E-mailed this info to my
                          friend in SNV, and she called her friend ,Anna Mikova, who lives there, and
                          was told that the GURKOS (Gurkas??) used to live there , but they're all
                          gone. In subsequent weeks Anna talked to older people, whose parents and
                          grandparents used to work for the Gurkas.

                          I obtained, from the Presov Archives the marriage docoment of my
                          grandmother's brother JOZSEF GURKO, and his wife Terezia Guminszki, for
                          verification that he was the same one born in Spisska Nova Ves. Of
                          course I'm taking the archives' word for this, since this is NOT AN ORIGINAL
                          DOCUMENT?? I believe that there are words in Slovak at the bottom, that
                          (I think ) state this.
                          They had a son, killed in WW1, and three daughters, RUZENA ALZBETA, AND
                          TEREZIA.
                          Their house is the one that is NO LONGER THERE. Vladi was there last
                          June.
                          The three daughters are supposed to have gone to Kosice.
                          Their daughter ,Ruzena, was Anna Mikova,s teacher in school (5th to 9th
                          grades), in the 1940's. So , Michael, this would be a different
                          Ruzena, since you say she died in 1930. Anna Mikova went to her
                          funeral, (and Anna wasn't born until 1936).
                          There is so much more, but this is getting long.
                          Jozef Gurko was born in 1866, got married in 1893.

                          All I have to do is find out where my AUSTRIAN family got the Slavik
                          name of GURKO ??
                          Thanks for all the help so far. Tom
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Michael Mojher
                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:40 PM
                          Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes


                          Tom,
                          I was up late working on another project. I had some time to kill during
                          it and plugged in your surnames while waiting.
                          That one Gurko in the 1995 Census was located in Castkov in the district
                          of Senica. If there was only one Gurko in 1995 it could well be if they died
                          there are no longer any left in Slovakia. I could understand them hiding
                          prior to 1993, but after that they would have no reason to fear being
                          "Sl'achtic".
                          Of all things, as I write my translators from my first two trips to
                          Slovakia are visiting me. They are from Kosice. If you like I will see if
                          they will search out your relatives grave. Send all the information you have
                          on it.
                          I did find this -
                          Last and first name Age Place of burial Date of funeral includes

                          Gurkó István 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 02.05.1896
                          Gurko Mihály 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 24.06.1898
                          Gurková Ruzena 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 30.09.1930
                          Gurková Anna 82 Kosice - Verejný cintorín - Kolumbárium 00.00.1996

                          Link - http://www.cemetery.sk/english/?

                          I'm not sure why the first three has an age of "0". Possibly they did die
                          at or close to birth and no age was given.
                          I read where the Rozalia cemetery is very large and finding grave sites
                          can be difficult. At least you know Anna is in the Kolumbarium, which should
                          make it easier to find her. I can ask Maros to take a photograph of it for
                          you.

                          From: Tom Geiss
                          Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:24 AM
                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                          Thanks, Mike, for looking that up. I will print taat and save it.
                          I see you sent it at 1.00 AM. You were working overtime.
                          In the case of the GURKO name, it's the other way around though. I found
                          my grandma's GURKO family, on microfilm, but can't find anybody with that
                          name today.
                          They were kicked out of one town at the time of WW1, or before. And kicked
                          out of another one after WW2, probably by the communists.
                          According to one marriage record , some were "SL'ACHTIC " (Aristocratic)
                          in other words, Too High Class for their own good.
                          When Vladi went to Brezovica this summer to get me a photo of the family
                          house (or ruins thereof) he was shown a sign that read, " Here is where the
                          Gurko family house was "
                          I'm suspecting that if there are any survivors left, that they are HIDING
                          , have probably changed their name, and don't want to be found. I know of
                          one who was buried in Kosice, in ROSALIA CEMETERY?? not too many years ago.
                          Someday I'll get someone to go there and find out how her last name is
                          spelled.
                          Tom
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Michael Mojher
                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:43 AM
                          Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                          Tom,
                          I used the 1995 Slovakia Census database to search the spellings of the
                          surnames to listed in your message.
                          Hudeck 0 hits, a list of alternatives was given.
                          Hudek - 108 found in 28 locations.
                          Hudcek - 46 found in 16 locations.
                          Hudecek - 167 found 65 locations.
                          Hudecz - 7 found in 5 locations.
                          Hudec - 3318 found in 587 locations.
                          From this you can see there are a variety of spellings. If yours is Hudek
                          then it is one of the lesser used spellings.
                          Kodesch - 4 found in 2 locations
                          Hodesch - 0
                          Holisch - 12 found in 7 locations
                          Kosesch given as an alternative.
                          Szonoga - 0
                          Sonoga - 36 listings in 14 locations.
                          Gurko - 1 found in 1 location.
                          Gurka - 98 found in 28 locations.
                          Since in 1995 there was only one person with the spelling Gurko I would
                          conclude that somewhere along the way the "a" got changed to an "o".
                          In my own name in Slovakia it is spelled Mojcher, but originally there and
                          in the USA it is Mojher. I found in the records how and when the "c" got
                          added. So things do happen to names.
                          If there is a "z" associated with an "s" or a "c" you can pretty well
                          understand that it was a Hungarian form of the name. During the
                          Magyarization period Hungarian spellings were forced upon people. Look at
                          Hudecz and Hudec, 7 vs 3318. More than likely many of those families dropped
                          the "z". As far as I know there is not a formal movement to change the
                          Hungarian spellings back to the Slovak spellings. Since the Hungarian
                          spellings were forced on people to begin with it should not be a surprise
                          they would change it back to the original. A more interesting answer would
                          be "Why did they keep the Hungarian spelling?"

                          From: Tom Geiss
                          Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:16 AM
                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [S-R] Name Changes

                          When looking through LDS micofilm, I run into HUDEK ,HUDECK KODESCH
                          HODESCH??
                          Then ,when I go to Slovak White Pages, the only ones that give me any
                          matches or info are HUDEK and KODESCH.
                          Also I found SZONOGA, and got no help from the white pages until I dropped
                          the Z and just wrote it SONOGA.
                          Is there some movement in Slovakia to get rid of all Hungarian spellings??

                          Also, my ancestors name was GURKO. White pages give me nothing on GURKO,
                          but several addresses of GURKA. Are these two the same name with different
                          spellings?
                          Tom

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                          Bill, As I ve stated, I HAVE IN MY POSSESSION, I m looking at it right now, the MARRIAGE DOCUMENT of JOZSEF GURKO, married in Brezovica (Roman Catholic),
                          Message 12 of 13 , Sep 6, 2009
                            Bill,
                            As I've stated, I HAVE IN MY POSSESSION, I'm looking at it right now, the MARRIAGE DOCUMENT of JOZSEF GURKO, married in Brezovica (Roman Catholic), that states that he was "MESTO NARODENIA" 27 ROKOV, SPISSKA NOVA VES (IGLO). I just received this last spring. His wife, Terezia Guminszki was SL'ACTICNA. (hardly nomadic).
                            And Jozsef's occupation is listed as VEREJNY NOTAR. (I believe that's "Public Notary".
                            Also Jozsef's father was supposed to be in a titled family, but, since he was a younger son, he did not inherit a title. That means that they were in Brezovica at least since 1893.
                            This past June , Vladi Linder took closeups of their grave. I'm looking at the photo right now JOZEF GURKO 1866- 1946, TEREZIA GURKOVA 1875- 1954.
                            I cannot get any more from Anna Mikova, since I understand that she has serious health problems, and is unable to care for herself any more???? She lost her husband a year ago; and her son had to go to Prague to find work.
                            I know that if she could have, she would have talked to Vladi when he was there this June.
                            And my friend in Spisska Nova Ves isn't in much better shape. If she could have, she would have been to the Parish, and Civic records in Spisska Nova Ves, . But she's 83, with severe osteoporosis and coxartrosis, can't get around without help.
                            I've written to people in SNV and surrounding towns and villages who have surnames connected to the Gurko Family; written to them in my broken Slovak, with the help of a dictionary. Received a couple of E-mails, but nothing that led to my family cousins.
                            Been an interesting 3 years, and I've sure learned a lot about Eastern Europe
                            Tom
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Bill Tarkulich
                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 7:17 PM
                            Subject: RE: [S-R] Name Changes GURKO


                            Tom,
                            Documentation mistakes still cannot be discounted. Nobody was looking for
                            "positive ID" until the 1960s, especially in Czechoslovakia.

                            So you got info that GURKO/GURKA did exist in the village. My "hunch" and
                            it is just that is that GURKO maybe a Rusyn name with roots in the East of
                            present-day Slovakia. GURKA may be a Magyar name with roots in present-day
                            Hungary.

                            I would want to know from Anna Mikova:
                            1. What years did these family live there?
                            2. What religion were they?
                            3. Has someone checked the cemetery? Are they buried there.

                            It's possible they were "nomadic", or at least, had all their BMDs
                            consummated elsewhere.

                            RUZENA ALZBETA, AND TEREZIA - these are interesting given names. Middle
                            name is Slovak, the other two are Czech. What religion were they baptized?

                            Have you had anyone go to the SNV town offices and look for BMD records?
                            Privacy laws apply of course. I'd be interested in records from 1895
                            forward.

                            What year did GURKO name start showing up in the records, where, and what
                            was the birth year of that GURKO?

                            There are other less "clean" reasons for all of this. Rape. Adoption.
                            Death. War. Name gets changed later. Illegitimate birth. These are hugely
                            difficult to figure out.
                            For example, My grandmother's sister went to Ukraine to work, had an
                            illegitimate son, returned to the village, married later and had more
                            children. The son had the blood father's surname. Later, he detested that
                            name so much, he legally changed his surname to something else. I never
                            would have uncovered that without his daughter's testimony.

                            I would study the period around World War One carefully.
                            Build a timeline, not a pedigree, and try to fill in the events.

                            1866 - JOZSEF GURKO born

                            1884-1892 Of course conscription from 18 to 22 was expected.

                            1893 - Jozef Gurko married. The archives looked this info up for you? You
                            can do it yourself at the FHC. Pull the 1893 film of the ORIGINAL DOCUMENT,
                            it will state their village of origin.

                            1893 - 1903 - Ruzena's parents were having kids (implied). 4 kids @ 2 years
                            each +25%.

                            1914-1918 WW1
                            1918 - Most landowners flee the country but continue to own the land.

                            1936 - Anna Mickova born
                            1940s - Ruzena was teaching -so she had to be late 30s to late 40s in age.
                            1950s - Estate property was transferred to state control.

                            1960s - I would expect Ruzena and siblings to have died around this time

                            Look at this, he married right out of the military. Where was he married?
                            You cannot discount that the MIKOS was not a nomadic family.

                            Another idea is to inspect property records from the village(s) in question.
                            If the family was affluent, they undoubtedly would hold property and there
                            would be a record of this. This can be done online or via Peter Nagy.
                            http://www.centroconsult.sk/genealogy/land.html

                            Good Luck,

                            Regard,

                            Bill

                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                            Behalf Of Tom Geiss
                            Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 6:21 PM
                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                            Thanks , Bill, for your input. I do know the ancestral villages. I
                            guess this group is getting tired of hearing my story, but I will bore you
                            all once more with the details.
                            First of all , here is what I learned a few years ago, from reports
                            of my grandmother, aunts, uncles (all since deceased). My grandma's
                            family, (which was Austrian, and spoke German) had a large farm in Iglo ,
                            Hungary, (after 1918 it became Spisska Nova Ves). They were prosperous for
                            the times, had many servants and workers.
                            The farm was confiscated during WW1, and family living there were all
                            killed.
                            Only those who left the farm prior to the war were alive.

                            (The descendents of these I've been seeking the last three years, with
                            the help of my AMERICAN friend, who lives in SNV. Has lived there since
                            1939, when , at 13 , she got stuck there by the war.)
                            I have found most of my grandma's siblings, on LDS microfilms, which
                            are authentic, (including illegible handwriting). Also I have much of my
                            grandma's PEDIGREE, which I paid the Levoca Archives to do, all the way
                            back to 1764. (they found as much as my money would allow).
                            Then a year and a half ago I heard about a letter written to grandma in
                            the thirties, from BREZOVICA NAD TORYSA. I E-mailed this info to my
                            friend in SNV, and she called her friend ,Anna Mikova, who lives there, and
                            was told that the GURKOS (Gurkas??) used to live there , but they're all
                            gone. In subsequent weeks Anna talked to older people, whose parents and
                            grandparents used to work for the Gurkas.

                            I obtained, from the Presov Archives the marriage docoment of my
                            grandmother's brother JOZSEF GURKO, and his wife Terezia Guminszki, for
                            verification that he was the same one born in Spisska Nova Ves. Of
                            course I'm taking the archives' word for this, since this is NOT AN ORIGINAL
                            DOCUMENT?? I believe that there are words in Slovak at the bottom, that
                            (I think ) state this.
                            They had a son, killed in WW1, and three daughters, RUZENA ALZBETA, AND
                            TEREZIA.
                            Their house is the one that is NO LONGER THERE. Vladi was there last
                            June.
                            The three daughters are supposed to have gone to Kosice.
                            Their daughter ,Ruzena, was Anna Mikova,s teacher in school (5th to 9th
                            grades), in the 1940's. So , Michael, this would be a different
                            Ruzena, since you say she died in 1930. Anna Mikova went to her
                            funeral, (and Anna wasn't born until 1936).
                            There is so much more, but this is getting long.
                            Jozef Gurko was born in 1866, got married in 1893.

                            All I have to do is find out where my AUSTRIAN family got the Slavik
                            name of GURKO ??
                            Thanks for all the help so far. Tom
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Michael Mojher
                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:40 PM
                            Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                            Tom,
                            I was up late working on another project. I had some time to kill during
                            it and plugged in your surnames while waiting.
                            That one Gurko in the 1995 Census was located in Castkov in the district
                            of Senica. If there was only one Gurko in 1995 it could well be if they died
                            there are no longer any left in Slovakia. I could understand them hiding
                            prior to 1993, but after that they would have no reason to fear being
                            "Sl'achtic".
                            Of all things, as I write my translators from my first two trips to
                            Slovakia are visiting me. They are from Kosice. If you like I will see if
                            they will search out your relatives grave. Send all the information you have
                            on it.
                            I did find this -
                            Last and first name Age Place of burial Date of funeral includes

                            Gurkó István 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 02.05.1896
                            Gurko Mihály 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 24.06.1898
                            Gurková Ruzena 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 30.09.1930
                            Gurková Anna 82 Kosice - Verejný cintorín - Kolumbárium 00.00.1996

                            Link - http://www.cemetery.sk/english/?

                            I'm not sure why the first three has an age of "0". Possibly they did die
                            at or close to birth and no age was given.
                            I read where the Rozalia cemetery is very large and finding grave sites
                            can be difficult. At least you know Anna is in the Kolumbarium, which should
                            make it easier to find her. I can ask Maros to take a photograph of it for
                            you.

                            From: Tom Geiss
                            Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:24 AM
                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                            Thanks, Mike, for looking that up. I will print taat and save it.
                            I see you sent it at 1.00 AM. You were working overtime.
                            In the case of the GURKO name, it's the other way around though. I found
                            my grandma's GURKO family, on microfilm, but can't find anybody with that
                            name today.
                            They were kicked out of one town at the time of WW1, or before. And kicked
                            out of another one after WW2, probably by the communists.
                            According to one marriage record , some were "SL'ACHTIC " (Aristocratic)
                            in other words, Too High Class for their own good.
                            When Vladi went to Brezovica this summer to get me a photo of the family
                            house (or ruins thereof) he was shown a sign that read, " Here is where the
                            Gurko family house was "
                            I'm suspecting that if there are any survivors left, that they are HIDING
                            , have probably changed their name, and don't want to be found. I know of
                            one who was buried in Kosice, in ROSALIA CEMETERY?? not too many years ago.
                            Someday I'll get someone to go there and find out how her last name is
                            spelled.
                            Tom
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Michael Mojher
                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:43 AM
                            Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                            Tom,
                            I used the 1995 Slovakia Census database to search the spellings of the
                            surnames to listed in your message.
                            Hudeck 0 hits, a list of alternatives was given.
                            Hudek - 108 found in 28 locations.
                            Hudcek - 46 found in 16 locations.
                            Hudecek - 167 found 65 locations.
                            Hudecz - 7 found in 5 locations.
                            Hudec - 3318 found in 587 locations.
                            From this you can see there are a variety of spellings. If yours is Hudek
                            then it is one of the lesser used spellings.
                            Kodesch - 4 found in 2 locations
                            Hodesch - 0
                            Holisch - 12 found in 7 locations
                            Kosesch given as an alternative.
                            Szonoga - 0
                            Sonoga - 36 listings in 14 locations.
                            Gurko - 1 found in 1 location.
                            Gurka - 98 found in 28 locations.
                            Since in 1995 there was only one person with the spelling Gurko I would
                            conclude that somewhere along the way the "a" got changed to an "o".
                            In my own name in Slovakia it is spelled Mojcher, but originally there and
                            in the USA it is Mojher. I found in the records how and when the "c" got
                            added. So things do happen to names.
                            If there is a "z" associated with an "s" or a "c" you can pretty well
                            understand that it was a Hungarian form of the name. During the
                            Magyarization period Hungarian spellings were forced upon people. Look at
                            Hudecz and Hudec, 7 vs 3318. More than likely many of those families dropped
                            the "z". As far as I know there is not a formal movement to change the
                            Hungarian spellings back to the Slovak spellings. Since the Hungarian
                            spellings were forced on people to begin with it should not be a surprise
                            they would change it back to the original. A more interesting answer would
                            be "Why did they keep the Hungarian spelling?"

                            From: Tom Geiss
                            Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:16 AM
                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: [S-R] Name Changes

                            When looking through LDS micofilm, I run into HUDEK ,HUDECK KODESCH
                            HODESCH??
                            Then ,when I go to Slovak White Pages, the only ones that give me any
                            matches or info are HUDEK and KODESCH.
                            Also I found SZONOGA, and got no help from the white pages until I dropped
                            the Z and just wrote it SONOGA.
                            Is there some movement in Slovakia to get rid of all Hungarian spellings??

                            Also, my ancestors name was GURKO. White pages give me nothing on GURKO,
                            but several addresses of GURKA. Are these two the same name with different
                            spellings?
                            Tom

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                            And, while I think of it, I have the page of a letter written to my grandmother in the 1930 s from Brezovica Nad Torysa, IN GERMAN, which pretty much proves
                            Message 13 of 13 , Sep 6, 2009
                              And, while I think of it, I have the page of a letter written to my grandmother in the 1930's from Brezovica Nad Torysa, IN GERMAN, which pretty much proves the Austria connection.
                              Tom
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: Tom Geiss
                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 6:21 PM
                              Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes


                              Oh yes, and I've pretty immersed myself in Slovak history the last three years, how Hungary controlled things for hundreds of years. I know the story of JANOSIK all about Milan Rastislav Stefanic. who died in a plane crash that some say was no accident?? I know about the Cleveland agreement, and the Pittsburg Agreement, that led to the establishment of Czechoslovakia, in which some say the "Czechs got the cream; Slovaks got skim milk". Then there was the "First Slovak Republic' with Father Josef Tiso as president. (all with the blessing of Adolf Hitler) (from 1939 to 1945). This is all argued about on Slovak television even today.
                              And I'm told that even now sometimes Hungarians doo mean things like cause a disturbance at a ball game. or burn a Slovak flag in Budapest..
                              Tom
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: Tom Geiss
                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 5:20 PM
                              Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                              Thanks , Bill, for your input. I do know the ancestral villages. I guess this group is getting tired of hearing my story, but I will bore you all once more with the details.
                              First of all , here is what I learned a few years ago, from reports of my grandmother, aunts, uncles (all since deceased). My grandma's family, (which was Austrian, and spoke German) had a large farm in Iglo , Hungary, (after 1918 it became Spisska Nova Ves). They were prosperous for the times, had many servants and workers.
                              The farm was confiscated during WW1, and family living there were all killed.
                              Only those who left the farm prior to the war were alive.

                              (The descendents of these I've been seeking the last three years, with the help of my AMERICAN friend, who lives in SNV. Has lived there since 1939, when , at 13 , she got stuck there by the war.)
                              I have found most of my grandma's siblings, on LDS microfilms, which are authentic, (including illegible handwriting). Also I have much of my grandma's PEDIGREE, which I paid the Levoca Archives to do, all the way back to 1764. (they found as much as my money would allow).
                              Then a year and a half ago I heard about a letter written to grandma in the thirties, from BREZOVICA NAD TORYSA. I E-mailed this info to my friend in SNV, and she called her friend ,Anna Mikova, who lives there, and was told that the GURKOS (Gurkas??) used to live there , but they're all gone. In subsequent weeks Anna talked to older people, whose parents and grandparents used to work for the Gurkas.

                              I obtained, from the Presov Archives the marriage docoment of my grandmother's brother JOZSEF GURKO, and his wife Terezia Guminszki, for verification that he was the same one born in Spisska Nova Ves. Of course I'm taking the archives' word for this, since this is NOT AN ORIGINAL DOCUMENT?? I believe that there are words in Slovak at the bottom, that (I think ) state this.
                              They had a son, killed in WW1, and three daughters, RUZENA ALZBETA, AND TEREZIA.
                              Their house is the one that is NO LONGER THERE. Vladi was there last June.
                              The three daughters are supposed to have gone to Kosice.
                              Their daughter ,Ruzena, was Anna Mikova,s teacher in school (5th to 9th grades), in the 1940's. So , Michael, this would be a different Ruzena, since you say she died in 1930. Anna Mikova went to her funeral, (and Anna wasn't born until 1936).
                              There is so much more, but this is getting long.
                              Jozef Gurko was born in 1866, got married in 1893.

                              All I have to do is find out where my AUSTRIAN family got the Slavik name of GURKO ??
                              Thanks for all the help so far. Tom
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: Michael Mojher
                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:40 PM
                              Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                              Tom,
                              I was up late working on another project. I had some time to kill during it and plugged in your surnames while waiting.
                              That one Gurko in the 1995 Census was located in Castkov in the district of Senica. If there was only one Gurko in 1995 it could well be if they died there are no longer any left in Slovakia. I could understand them hiding prior to 1993, but after that they would have no reason to fear being "Sl'achtic".
                              Of all things, as I write my translators from my first two trips to Slovakia are visiting me. They are from Kosice. If you like I will see if they will search out your relatives grave. Send all the information you have on it.
                              I did find this -
                              Last and first name Age Place of burial Date of funeral includes

                              Gurkó István 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 02.05.1896
                              Gurko Mihály 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 24.06.1898
                              Gurková Ruzena 0 Kosice - Verejný cintorín 30.09.1930
                              Gurková Anna 82 Kosice - Verejný cintorín - Kolumbárium 00.00.1996

                              Link - http://www.cemetery.sk/english/?

                              I'm not sure why the first three has an age of "0". Possibly they did die at or close to birth and no age was given.
                              I read where the Rozalia cemetery is very large and finding grave sites can be difficult. At least you know Anna is in the Kolumbarium, which should make it easier to find her. I can ask Maros to take a photograph of it for you.

                              From: Tom Geiss
                              Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:24 AM
                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                              Thanks, Mike, for looking that up. I will print taat and save it.
                              I see you sent it at 1.00 AM. You were working overtime.
                              In the case of the GURKO name, it's the other way around though. I found my grandma's GURKO family, on microfilm, but can't find anybody with that name today.
                              They were kicked out of one town at the time of WW1, or before. And kicked out of another one after WW2, probably by the communists.
                              According to one marriage record , some were "SL'ACHTIC " (Aristocratic) in other words, Too High Class for their own good.
                              When Vladi went to Brezovica this summer to get me a photo of the family house (or ruins thereof) he was shown a sign that read, " Here is where the Gurko family house was "
                              I'm suspecting that if there are any survivors left, that they are HIDING , have probably changed their name, and don't want to be found. I know of one who was buried in Kosice, in ROSALIA CEMETERY?? not too many years ago. Someday I'll get someone to go there and find out how her last name is spelled.
                              Tom
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: Michael Mojher
                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:43 AM
                              Subject: Re: [S-R] Name Changes

                              Tom,
                              I used the 1995 Slovakia Census database to search the spellings of the surnames to listed in your message.
                              Hudeck 0 hits, a list of alternatives was given.
                              Hudek - 108 found in 28 locations.
                              Hudcek - 46 found in 16 locations.
                              Hudecek - 167 found 65 locations.
                              Hudecz - 7 found in 5 locations.
                              Hudec - 3318 found in 587 locations.
                              From this you can see there are a variety of spellings. If yours is Hudek then it is one of the lesser used spellings.
                              Kodesch - 4 found in 2 locations
                              Hodesch - 0
                              Holisch - 12 found in 7 locations
                              Kosesch given as an alternative.
                              Szonoga - 0
                              Sonoga - 36 listings in 14 locations.
                              Gurko - 1 found in 1 location.
                              Gurka - 98 found in 28 locations.
                              Since in 1995 there was only one person with the spelling Gurko I would conclude that somewhere along the way the "a" got changed to an "o".
                              In my own name in Slovakia it is spelled Mojcher, but originally there and in the USA it is Mojher. I found in the records how and when the "c" got added. So things do happen to names.
                              If there is a "z" associated with an "s" or a "c" you can pretty well understand that it was a Hungarian form of the name. During the Magyarization period Hungarian spellings were forced upon people. Look at Hudecz and Hudec, 7 vs 3318. More than likely many of those families dropped the "z". As far as I know there is not a formal movement to change the Hungarian spellings back to the Slovak spellings. Since the Hungarian spellings were forced on people to begin with it should not be a surprise they would change it back to the original. A more interesting answer would be "Why did they keep the Hungarian spelling?"

                              From: Tom Geiss
                              Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:16 AM
                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: [S-R] Name Changes

                              When looking through LDS micofilm, I run into HUDEK ,HUDECK KODESCH HODESCH??
                              Then ,when I go to Slovak White Pages, the only ones that give me any matches or info are HUDEK and KODESCH.
                              Also I found SZONOGA, and got no help from the white pages until I dropped the Z and just wrote it SONOGA.
                              Is there some movement in Slovakia to get rid of all Hungarian spellings??

                              Also, my ancestors name was GURKO. White pages give me nothing on GURKO, but several addresses of GURKA. Are these two the same name with different spellings?
                              Tom

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