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  • christine mackara
    Thank you, Ben. I will study this a while Christine ... From: Ben Sorensen To: Sent: Tuesday, November
    Message 1 of 27 , Nov 4, 2008
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      Thank you, Ben.
      I will study this a while
      Christine



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      From: "Ben Sorensen" <cerrunos1@...>
      To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:16 AM
      Subject: Re: [S-R] Salay phone listings


      Priezvisko SALAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 440×, celkový poèet
      lokalít: 107, najèastejsie výskyty v lokalitách:
      OLCNAVA, okr. SPISSKÁ NOVÁ VES - 48×;
      SNINA, okr. HUMENNÉ (od r. 1996 SNINA) - 40×;
      DIVINA, okr. ZILINA - 21×;
      ZILINA, okr. ZILINA - 15×;
      GONDOVO (obec NOVÁ DEDINA), okr. LEVICE - 15×;
      VETERNÁ PORUBA, okr. LIPTOVSKÝ MIKULÁS - 13×;
      CINOBAÒA, okr. LUÈENEC (od r. 1996 POLTÁR) - 12×;
      LUÈENEC, okr. LUÈENEC - 11×;
      KYSUCKÉ NOVÉ MESTO, okr. ÈADCA (od r. 1996 KYSUCKÉ NOVÉ MESTO) - 10×;
      SPISSKÝ HRUSOV, okr. SPISSKÁ NOVÁ VES - 9×;

      There are some more opportunities above, and the phone listing should help
      too.
      here are other spellings:

      Priezvisko SÁLAY sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 2×, celkový poèet
      lokalít: 1, v lokalitách:
      BOJNIÈKY, okr. TRNAVA (od r. 1996 HLOHOVEC) - 2×;


      Priezvisko SALAY sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 378×, celkový poèet
      lokalít: 93, najèastejsie výskyty v lokalitách:
      PETRZALKA (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 48×;
      VYSOKÁ PRI MORAVE, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 20×;
      PLAVECKÝ STVRTOK, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 18×;
      ZOHOR, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 16×;
      GAJARY, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 14×;
      MALACKY, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 11×;
      TRNAVA, okr. TRNAVA - 11×;
      DEVÍNSKA NOVÁ VES (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 11×;
      STARÉ MESTO (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 11×;
      RUZINOV (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 10×;
      ...


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      From: johnqadam <johnqadam@...>
      Subject: [S-R] Salay phone listings
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:24 PM






      >>> Borbala Makara (*29 Nov 1858) married 18 Feb 1878, Mihaly SZALAY,
      29 years old, born in Uzovsky Salgo and prob. died in 1899. . . . I
      looked in the white pages for Slovakia, but didn't see Szalay or Salay
      in Presov.<<<

      The name SALAY and SALAYOVA appears northwest of Presov in Uzovsky
      Salgov. Isn't that where you would expect to find them?

      Salayová Anna Uzovský Salgov 130
      Salay Vladimír Uzovský Salgov 27


















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    • christine mackara
      Hi John, Vladimir and Ben, Thank you so much for the clarification of the word Stefanovi. I felt I was looking at a male person , grandfathers nephew, I was
      Message 2 of 27 , Nov 4, 2008
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        Hi John, Vladimir and Ben,
        Thank you so much for the clarification of the word "Stefanovi."
        I felt I was looking at a male person , grandfathers nephew, I was right then.
        Thanks again, Christine








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      • Michael Mojher
        Christine, To help you read what Ben has sent. The first sentence basically says the surname SALAJ in the year 1995 was found 440 time in 107 locations. The
        Message 3 of 27 , Nov 4, 2008
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          Christine,
          To help you read what Ben has sent.
          The first sentence basically says the surname SALAJ in the year 1995 was found 440 time in 107 locations. The major locations are: then they list the major ones, but not all 107.
          The listing is first) the name of the city , town or village. Second is "okr" or Okres, the County or District name. Sometimes a "obec" comes second, which is the name of an area within a city. Then they give the number of times Salaj was found.
          There are 72 Okres in Slovakia. They are in 8 Kraj or States. I see that 110 Salaj live in Eastern Slovakia. Ben found 2 Salay that has an accent on the A. And 378 where there is no accent on the A.
          The Salay family is definitely concentrated around Bratislava.

          From: christine mackara
          Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:41 AM
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [S-R] Salay phone listings


          Thank you, Ben.
          I will study this a while
          Christine

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Ben Sorensen" <cerrunos1@...>
          To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:16 AM
          Subject: Re: [S-R] Salay phone listings

          Priezvisko SALAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 440×, celkový poèet
          lokalít: 107, najèastejsie výskyty v lokalitách:
          OLCNAVA, okr. SPISSKÁ NOVÁ VES - 48×;
          SNINA, okr. HUMENNÉ (od r. 1996 SNINA) - 40×;
          DIVINA, okr. ZILINA - 21×;
          ZILINA, okr. ZILINA - 15×;
          GONDOVO (obec NOVÁ DEDINA), okr. LEVICE - 15×;
          VETERNÁ PORUBA, okr. LIPTOVSKÝ MIKULÁS - 13×;
          CINOBAÒA, okr. LUÈENEC (od r. 1996 POLTÁR) - 12×;
          LUÈENEC, okr. LUÈENEC - 11×;
          KYSUCKÉ NOVÉ MESTO, okr. ÈADCA (od r. 1996 KYSUCKÉ NOVÉ MESTO) - 10×;
          SPISSKÝ HRUSOV, okr. SPISSKÁ NOVÁ VES - 9×;

          There are some more opportunities above, and the phone listing should help
          too.
          here are other spellings:

          Priezvisko SÁLAY sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 2×, celkový poèet
          lokalít: 1, v lokalitách:
          BOJNIÈKY, okr. TRNAVA (od r. 1996 HLOHOVEC) - 2×;

          Priezvisko SALAY sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 378×, celkový poèet
          lokalít: 93, najèastejsie výskyty v lokalitách:
          PETRZALKA (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 48×;
          VYSOKÁ PRI MORAVE, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 20×;
          PLAVECKÝ STVRTOK, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 18×;
          ZOHOR, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 16×;
          GAJARY, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 14×;
          MALACKY, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 11×;
          TRNAVA, okr. TRNAVA - 11×;
          DEVÍNSKA NOVÁ VES (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 11×;
          STARÉ MESTO (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 11×;
          RUZINOV (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 10×;
          ...

          --- On Mon, 11/3/08, johnqadam <johnqadam@...> wrote:

          From: johnqadam <johnqadam@...>
          Subject: [S-R] Salay phone listings
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:24 PM

          >>> Borbala Makara (*29 Nov 1858) married 18 Feb 1878, Mihaly SZALAY,
          29 years old, born in Uzovsky Salgo and prob. died in 1899. . . . I
          looked in the white pages for Slovakia, but didn't see Szalay or Salay
          in Presov.<<<

          The name SALAY and SALAYOVA appears northwest of Presov in Uzovsky
          Salgov. Isn't that where you would expect to find them?

          Salayová Anna Uzovský Salgov 130
          Salay Vladimír Uzovský Salgov 27

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        • christine mackara
          Thank you, Michael, for the explanation/translation. It helps! Johnqadam found the Salay name in Uzovsky Salgov. That could be the family of grandfathers
          Message 4 of 27 , Nov 4, 2008
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            Thank you, Michael, for the explanation/translation. It helps!
            Johnqadam found the Salay name in Uzovsky Salgov. That could be the family of grandfathers sister !?.
            Thank you ,John

            Christine

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          • Michael Mojher
            Christine, Usovsky Salgov is a small village not to far out of the city of Sabinov on Highway 68. Highway 68 is the one I drive on to get from Presov to
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              Christine,
              Usovsky Salgov is a small village not to far out of the city of Sabinov on Highway 68.
              Highway 68 is the one I drive on to get from Presov to Hromos, about 33 miles.
              Sabinov is about 9 miles west out of Presov on Highway 68.
              From the list below you can see that Salay and Salayova surnames are listed. I would think that these are relatives of yours. I do not think that would be from your grandfather's sister's family. If she married she would have a different surname. The Salay is a male and should be connected to the family line. Salayova is female, but you do not know if this is her original surname or a married surname. More than likely she is the wife of the Salay listed. Nonetheless, with your family history in the village and someone with the Salay surname it is more than likely they are related to you somehow. You have their house numbers. So you can write them.
              In the mean time go through the village website, especially the Fotogaleria: http://www.uzovskysalgov.sk/
              Uzovský Salgov

              county: Sabinov

              | map of the village | index of 1070 villages in Eastern Slovakia |

              OLD NAMES of the village(town): 1773 Usz-Salgó, Usowsky Salgow, 1786 Usz-Schalgó, 1808 Usz-Salgó, Ssalgow, 1863-1882 Uszsalgó, 1888-1902 Úszsalgó, 1907-1913 Pusztasalgó, 1920 Salgov, 1927- Uzovský Salgov

              SURNAMES:
              Babjak Babják Bircák Cehelský Cehelský Cehelský Cehelský Dlugos Falat Falat Fedorková Galko Galko Galková
              Galková Galková Jurcak Jusko Jusko Jusko Jusková Kiselová Kollár Kollárová Kopac Kovácová Kozáriková
              Krulaková Kvasnák Malík Martonová Merva Merva Mihálová Novotný Orjabincová Orjabinec Polak Racko Rapavý
              Rokosný Salay Salayová Slaninka Szkandera Simcík Simcík Spireng Stofaník Stofaník Stofaník Stofaníková
              Stofaníková Stofaníková Stofaníková Telesnický Triscík Tuleja Vandzurová Vavrek Zahurák Zupa Zupová

              SURNAMES added recently in 2008: Babjak Babjaková Barcziová Bircák Cehelská Cehelský Cehelský Danko Danková Dlugosová Falat Falatová Fekete Feketeová Futej Futejová Gala Galko Galková Galová Gasparovic Gasparovicová Hatala Hatalová Hurtuk Hurtuková Janiga Janigová Jarzebowská Jarzebowský Jura Jurcák Jurcáková Jusko Jusková Kisela Kiselová Kollár Kovácová Kozárik Královic Kundrát Kyselová Lesová Lukác Lukácová Malík Marcin Marcinová Marková Marton Martonová Merva Mervová Molcan Molcanová Novotná Novotný Olsavský Orjabincová Orjabinec Polák Puskás Racková Rokosná Rokosný Saksová Salay Salayová Sirotnáková Slaninka Smoron Smoronová Straková Szkandera Simcík Simciková Simcíková Stofanik Stofaník Stofaniková Stofaníková Telesnická Telesnický Tomás Tuleja Tulejová Ungvarská Ungvarský Vandzura Varchola Varcholová Vavrek Vavreková Volanský Zahuráková Zboray Zborayová Zupa Zupová



              From: christine mackara
              Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:40 PM
              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [S-R] Salay phone listings


              Thank you, Michael, for the explanation/translation. It helps!
              Johnqadam found the Salay name in Uzovsky Salgov. That could be the family of grandfathers sister !?.
              Thank you ,John

              Christine

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            • Ben Sorensen
              Thank you Mike for guiding people along that windy road that I laid here. I was at work, and couldn t help out... I am sorry. BUT, you did a great job!!!! Ben
              Message 6 of 27 , Nov 4, 2008
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                Thank you Mike for guiding people along that windy road that I laid here. I was at work, and couldn't help out... I am sorry. BUT, you did a great job!!!!
                Ben

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                From: Michael Mojher <mgmojher@...>
                Subject: Re: [S-R] Salay phone listings
                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 8:03 PM






                Christine,
                Usovsky Salgov is a small village not to far out of the city of Sabinov on Highway 68.
                Highway 68 is the one I drive on to get from Presov to Hromos, about 33 miles.
                Sabinov is about 9 miles west out of Presov on Highway 68.
                From the list below you can see that Salay and Salayova surnames are listed. I would think that these are relatives of yours. I do not think that would be from your grandfather' s sister's family. If she married she would have a different surname. The Salay is a male and should be connected to the family line. Salayova is female, but you do not know if this is her original surname or a married surname. More than likely she is the wife of the Salay listed. Nonetheless, with your family history in the village and someone with the Salay surname it is more than likely they are related to you somehow. You have their house numbers. So you can write them.
                In the mean time go through the village website, especially the Fotogaleria: http://www.uzovskys algov.sk/
                Uzovský Salgov

                county: Sabinov

                | map of the village | index of 1070 villages in Eastern Slovakia |

                OLD NAMES of the village(town) : 1773 Usz-Salgó, Usowsky Salgow, 1786 Usz-Schalgó, 1808 Usz-Salgó, Ssalgow, 1863-1882 Uszsalgó, 1888-1902 Úszsalgó, 1907-1913 Pusztasalgó, 1920 Salgov, 1927- Uzovský Salgov

                SURNAMES:
                Babjak Babják Bircák Cehelský Cehelský Cehelský Cehelský Dlugos Falat Falat Fedorková Galko Galko Galková
                Galková Galková Jurcak Jusko Jusko Jusko Jusková Kiselová Kollár Kollárová Kopac Kovácová Kozáriková
                Krulaková Kvasnák Malík Martonová Merva Merva Mihálová Novotný Orjabincová Orjabinec Polak Racko Rapavý
                Rokosný Salay Salayová Slaninka Szkandera Simcík Simcík Spireng Stofaník Stofaník Stofaník Stofaníková
                Stofaníková Stofaníková Stofaníková Telesnický Triscík Tuleja Vandzurová Vavrek Zahurák Zupa Zupová

                SURNAMES added recently in 2008: Babjak Babjaková Barcziová Bircák Cehelská Cehelský Cehelský Danko Danková Dlugosová Falat Falatová Fekete Feketeová Futej Futejová Gala Galko Galková Galová Gasparovic Gasparovicová Hatala Hatalová Hurtuk Hurtuková Janiga Janigová Jarzebowská Jarzebowský Jura Jurcák Jurcáková Jusko Jusková Kisela Kiselová Kollár Kovácová Kozárik Královic Kundrát Kyselová Lesová Lukác Lukácová Malík Marcin Marcinová Marková Marton Martonová Merva Mervová Molcan Molcanová Novotná Novotný Olsavský Orjabincová Orjabinec Polák Puskás Racková Rokosná Rokosný Saksová Salay Salayová Sirotnáková Slaninka Smoron Smoronová Straková Szkandera Simcík Simciková Simcíková Stofanik Stofaník Stofaniková Stofaníková Telesnická Telesnický Tomás Tuleja Tulejová Ungvarská Ungvarský Vandzura Varchola Varcholová Vavrek Vavreková Volanský Zahuráková Zboray Zborayová Zupa Zupová

                From: christine mackara
                Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:40 PM
                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                Subject: Re: [S-R] Salay phone listings

                Thank you, Michael, for the explanation/ translation. It helps!
                Johnqadam found the Salay name in Uzovsky Salgov. That could be the family of grandfathers sister !?.
                Thank you ,John

                Christine

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              • Marilyn Hertenstein
                Christine, A question for you….there are two elderly gentlemen in our church in St. Louis, MO with the surname Makara. Do you have relatives in St. Louis?
                Message 7 of 27 , Nov 6, 2008
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                  Christine,
                  A question for you….there are two elderly gentlemen in our church in St.
                  Louis, MO with the surname Makara. Do you have relatives in St. Louis? One
                  is the founding father of our Byzantine Catholic Mission Church.

                  Marilyn

                  From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                  Behalf Of christine mackara
                  Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:15 PM
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

                  Hello Michael,
                  How could I ever thank you, for all the help you have given me and are now
                  offering.
                  I have thought about this family so long, (26 years), I feel like a part of
                  it now.
                  Grandfather Stefan Makara,(1861-1929)came to Philadelphia,Pa, in 1884. He
                  left behind his parents, Iohannes/Jan Makara, * ca. 1820, and Maria
                  Olsavszká. Jan was a carpenter/wheelright and owned a house. Stephen had a
                  brother Andrew and sister Barbara.
                  Borbala Makara (*29 Nov 1858) married 18 Feb 1878, Mihaly SZALAY, 29 years
                  old, born in Uzovsky Salgo and prob. died in 1899. He was a
                  man-servant/groomsman. They had 11 children, 5 died in infancy. (scource:
                  church records). The others are: Karoly,*26 Jan 1878, Miklos, *25 Sept 1882,
                  Istvan Ferencz, *7 Jan 1885, Lujza, *19 Dec 1887, Anna Ilona, *25 May 1893,
                  Ilona Zsofia, * 8 May 1895
                  We have an undated photo of the parents and four children. They look very
                  grand
                  I looked in the white pages for Slovakia, but didn't see Szalay or Salay in
                  Presov.

                  We have part of a letter from Presov asking grandfather to give his approval
                  to sell the house in 1907. At that time the brother Andrew must have died,
                  because his children Verona and Stefanovi, are listed as heirs. Question :
                  is Stefanovi male or female?
                  .
                  The other thing I might mention. In those same church books, I saw, what
                  could be brothers of Jan Makara.
                  Greorgius Makara, * 1826, and Andreas Makara, * 1831. Andreas was a
                  bricklayer. Their parents are Mihaly Makara and Maria Duchan/Dochan. Ioannes
                  Makara, asciarius, was a witness at the wedding of Andreas Makara in 1861.
                  But, I can't find Jan's birthdate or name of parents. So, that's were I am
                  stuck! But already I know more about the Family, then I would have ever
                  thought, or anybody in the family knows.
                  Asking your cousins to help in this search, is really a big thing. Maybe
                  these good people in Presov might not want anything to do with me, because I
                  don't represent the Family. I try to share what I find, but there is no
                  resounding response.

                  What you said about the differences in the birthdates makes sense. Thank
                  you.

                  Christine

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                  From: Michael Mojher
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:43 PM
                  Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

                  Christine,
                  I can appreciate the fact that there is just so far you may want to pursue a
                  family line. My mother's paternal side is such a case. With the great-grand
                  parents being house servants their trail is virtually impossible to follow.
                  They arrived in Sarisske Michal'any. Grandfather was born there. His birth
                  is the only record of them being there. No other children born. Their deaths
                  not found there. If they left for another household, who knows where.
                  I have to let you know that my Mother's maternal line continues in Presov. I
                  use Presov as my base when I'm in Slovakia. In six trips I have now "lived"
                  there for over three months. My mother's cousin is a Jozef Sopko. He, two
                  sons, a son-in-law and now a grandson have been firemen in Presov. Grandson
                  Lubo is now a Captain. So I can offer a Presov connection in your search for
                  the Szalay. With the 'z' in the name after the "S" I would guess that this
                  is a Hungarian spelling of the name. I would not be surprised that the "z"
                  is not used in the Latin or Slovak records. So you might be searching for a
                  Salay. Let me know what you have on this family.
                  Your question asked, Why the family sources that listed a birth date were
                  different from the church records. For most church records the recording is
                  done in conjunction with the baptism. Most often this was done a day or two
                  after the birth. So it was an immediate action following the birth. When the
                  birth was recorded in the "family source" is usually not given. It could be
                  from days to years after the birth. The longer after the more likely a
                  discrepancy can happen. There were not many calendars hanging in homes back
                  in the 1800's. So just keeping track of what date it is vs. what day it is
                  was a little more difficult. And certainly not as much as a necessity as it
                  is now. I do as you; use the church record as the "official" one and make
                  note of what was in other sources.

                  From: christine mackara
                  Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:06 PM
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                  Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

                  Michael,

                  Thank you for offering the help your cousin could give me. I think there are
                  too many generations between now and the time the grandparents left there in
                  the 1880's. As far as I can see, there is no family left in the Secovce
                  area. Besides KRISO, some of the other names there, were KONTER and LESKO. I
                  think, that I could have a chance with the Makara's and the Szalay Family in
                  Presov. Maybe!
                  In the 1869 Census, Mihal Kriso gives his birthplace as Berettö/Bracovce.
                  The Mormons have a film from the Greek Cath. Church. I might get that.
                  Secovce was also filmed and I should get that too.
                  Yes, I have been traveling around Juraj Cisarik's sites. He is really
                  marvellous. Now all I have to do , is learn to read Slovak. I will have to
                  get at least a dictionary!
                  Here is something else, that puzzles me : the birthdate family scources give
                  for the grandparents, is different, than what I found in the church records.
                  I should think, the church records are the correct ones, I'll just note the
                  family scource ones.

                  Thank you again for all your time,
                  Christine

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                • christine mackara
                  Marilyn, As far as uncle Joe knew, and in turn I know, besides the sister Sofia Makara, who married Joseph Hanisko, here in Philadelphia,Pa., nobody from that
                  Message 8 of 27 , Nov 6, 2008
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                    Marilyn,
                    As far as uncle Joe knew, and in turn I know, besides the sister Sofia Makara, who married Joseph Hanisko, here in Philadelphia,Pa., nobody from that family emigrated. Maybe more distant relatives came over, but we don't know that. There is another Makara Family here in Philadelphia, and I visited with them about 20 or so years ago, but I was told, that we are not related.
                    Christine





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                    From: Marilyn Hertenstein
                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:06 AM
                    Subject: RE: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia


                    Christine,
                    A question for you..there are two elderly gentlemen in our church in St.
                    Louis, MO with the surname Makara. Do you have relatives in St. Louis? One
                    is the founding father of our Byzantine Catholic Mission Church.

                    Marilyn

                    From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                    Behalf Of christine mackara
                    Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:15 PM
                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

                    Hello Michael,
                    How could I ever thank you, for all the help you have given me and are now
                    offering.
                    I have thought about this family so long, (26 years), I feel like a part of
                    it now.
                    Grandfather Stefan Makara,(1861-1929)came to Philadelphia,Pa, in 1884. He
                    left behind his parents, Iohannes/Jan Makara, * ca. 1820, and Maria
                    Olsavszká. Jan was a carpenter/wheelright and owned a house. Stephen had a
                    brother Andrew and sister Barbara.
                    Borbala Makara (*29 Nov 1858) married 18 Feb 1878, Mihaly SZALAY, 29 years
                    old, born in Uzovsky Salgo and prob. died in 1899. He was a
                    man-servant/groomsman. They had 11 children, 5 died in infancy. (scource:
                    church records). The others are: Karoly,*26 Jan 1878, Miklos, *25 Sept 1882,
                    Istvan Ferencz, *7 Jan 1885, Lujza, *19 Dec 1887, Anna Ilona, *25 May 1893,
                    Ilona Zsofia, * 8 May 1895
                    We have an undated photo of the parents and four children. They look very
                    grand
                    I looked in the white pages for Slovakia, but didn't see Szalay or Salay in
                    Presov.

                    We have part of a letter from Presov asking grandfather to give his approval
                    to sell the house in 1907. At that time the brother Andrew must have died,
                    because his children Verona and Stefanovi, are listed as heirs. Question :
                    is Stefanovi male or female?
                    .
                    The other thing I might mention. In those same church books, I saw, what
                    could be brothers of Jan Makara.
                    Greorgius Makara, * 1826, and Andreas Makara, * 1831. Andreas was a
                    bricklayer. Their parents are Mihaly Makara and Maria Duchan/Dochan. Ioannes
                    Makara, asciarius, was a witness at the wedding of Andreas Makara in 1861.
                    But, I can't find Jan's birthdate or name of parents. So, that's were I am
                    stuck! But already I know more about the Family, then I would have ever
                    thought, or anybody in the family knows.
                    Asking your cousins to help in this search, is really a big thing. Maybe
                    these good people in Presov might not want anything to do with me, because I
                    don't represent the Family. I try to share what I find, but there is no
                    resounding response.

                    What you said about the differences in the birthdates makes sense. Thank
                    you.

                    Christine

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                    From: Michael Mojher
                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:43 PM
                    Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

                    Christine,
                    I can appreciate the fact that there is just so far you may want to pursue a
                    family line. My mother's paternal side is such a case. With the great-grand
                    parents being house servants their trail is virtually impossible to follow.
                    They arrived in Sarisske Michal'any. Grandfather was born there. His birth
                    is the only record of them being there. No other children born. Their deaths
                    not found there. If they left for another household, who knows where.
                    I have to let you know that my Mother's maternal line continues in Presov. I
                    use Presov as my base when I'm in Slovakia. In six trips I have now "lived"
                    there for over three months. My mother's cousin is a Jozef Sopko. He, two
                    sons, a son-in-law and now a grandson have been firemen in Presov. Grandson
                    Lubo is now a Captain. So I can offer a Presov connection in your search for
                    the Szalay. With the 'z' in the name after the "S" I would guess that this
                    is a Hungarian spelling of the name. I would not be surprised that the "z"
                    is not used in the Latin or Slovak records. So you might be searching for a
                    Salay. Let me know what you have on this family.
                    Your question asked, Why the family sources that listed a birth date were
                    different from the church records. For most church records the recording is
                    done in conjunction with the baptism. Most often this was done a day or two
                    after the birth. So it was an immediate action following the birth. When the
                    birth was recorded in the "family source" is usually not given. It could be
                    from days to years after the birth. The longer after the more likely a
                    discrepancy can happen. There were not many calendars hanging in homes back
                    in the 1800's. So just keeping track of what date it is vs. what day it is
                    was a little more difficult. And certainly not as much as a necessity as it
                    is now. I do as you; use the church record as the "official" one and make
                    note of what was in other sources.

                    From: christine mackara
                    Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:06 PM
                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                    Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

                    Michael,

                    Thank you for offering the help your cousin could give me. I think there are
                    too many generations between now and the time the grandparents left there in
                    the 1880's. As far as I can see, there is no family left in the Secovce
                    area. Besides KRISO, some of the other names there, were KONTER and LESKO. I
                    think, that I could have a chance with the Makara's and the Szalay Family in
                    Presov. Maybe!
                    In the 1869 Census, Mihal Kriso gives his birthplace as Berettö/Bracovce.
                    The Mormons have a film from the Greek Cath. Church. I might get that.
                    Secovce was also filmed and I should get that too.
                    Yes, I have been traveling around Juraj Cisarik's sites. He is really
                    marvellous. Now all I have to do , is learn to read Slovak. I will have to
                    get at least a dictionary!
                    Here is something else, that puzzles me : the birthdate family scources give
                    for the grandparents, is different, than what I found in the church records.
                    I should think, the church records are the correct ones, I'll just note the
                    family scource ones.

                    Thank you again for all your time,
                    Christine

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                  • gklodzen@aol.com
                    Christine, I don t know about your Makara family, but the same was also told to my cousin Lucy by another Klodzen family member then living in another city
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                      Christine,

                      I don't know about your Makara family, but the same was also told to my
                      cousin Lucy by another Klodzen family member then living in another city (...no,
                      "we're not related"). Years later a little investigation of the recently
                      microfilmed records of Eastern Slovakia Churches revealed that indeed they were
                      not only related, but that their respective grandfathers were brothers from
                      village Vinne.

                      My advice? Keep researching, families can get separated very easily.

                      Eugene Klodzen


                      In a message dated 11/6/2008 10:54:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
                      christine1931@... writes:

                      Maybe more distant relatives came over, but we don't know that. There is
                      another Makara Family here in Philadelphia, and I visited with them about 20 or
                      so years ago, but I was told, that we are not related.
                      Christine




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                    • Lisa Marzonie
                      I concur. I ve learned from my other genealogy research not to discard anything. Many times people I ve queried are quick to dismiss the possibility of
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                        I concur. I've learned from my other genealogy research not to discard anything. Many times people I've queried are quick to dismiss the possibility of relationships (There are many reasons for this.) before really looking into it---wrong town, I don't recognize the name, etc. I always keep files of "possibles" and don't get rid of anything in them unless I'm convinced there's absolutely no connection. Sometimes people are wrong, and it works both ways: some people quickly jump to the conclusion that there IS a relationship without adequate proof. As researchers, we have to be patient and stay balanced."We have been called to heal wounds, to unite what has fallen apart and to bring home those who have lost their way." St. Francis of AssisiTo: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.comFrom: gklodzen@...: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:20:20 -0500Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia



















                        Christine,

                        I don't know about your Makara family, but the same was also told to my
                        cousin Lucy by another Klodzen family member then living in another city (...no,
                        "we're not related"). Years later a little investigation of the recently
                        microfilmed records of Eastern Slovakia Churches revealed that indeed they were
                        not only related, but that their respective grandfathers were brothers from
                        village Vinne.

                        My advice? Keep researching, families can get separated very easily.

                        Eugene Klodzen


                        In a message dated 11/6/2008 10:54:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
                        christine1931@... writes:

                        Maybe more distant relatives came over, but we don't know that. There is
                        another Makara Family here in Philadelphia, and I visited with them about 20 or
                        so years ago, but I was told, that we are not related.
                        Christine

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                      • christine mackara
                        Eugene, Thank you for your input. I should have said : we are not directly related. You are right, of course, never give up looking for new info. I keep
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                          Eugene,

                          Thank you for your input. I should have said : we are not directly related. You are right, of course, never give up looking for new info. I keep everything! And now and then I go over the notes and find new ways to look at things.

                          Have a good weekend
                          Christine





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                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:20 PM
                          Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia



                          Christine,

                          I don't know about your Makara family, but the same was also told to my
                          cousin Lucy by another Klodzen family member then living in another city (...no,
                          "we're not related"). Years later a little investigation of the recently
                          microfilmed records of Eastern Slovakia Churches revealed that indeed they were
                          not only related, but that their respective grandfathers were brothers from
                          village Vinne.

                          My advice? Keep researching, families can get separated very easily.

                          Eugene Klodzen


                          In a message dated 11/6/2008 10:54:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
                          christine1931@... writes:

                          Maybe more distant relatives came over, but we don't know that. There is
                          another Makara Family here in Philadelphia, and I visited with them about 20 or
                          so years ago, but I was told, that we are not related.
                          Christine

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