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  • christine mackara
    Hello Michael, How could I ever thank you, for all the help you have given me and are now offering. I have thought about this family so long, (26 years), I
    Message 1 of 27 , Nov 3, 2008
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      Hello Michael,
      How could I ever thank you, for all the help you have given me and are now offering.
      I have thought about this family so long, (26 years), I feel like a part of it now.
      Grandfather Stefan Makara,(1861-1929)came to Philadelphia,Pa, in 1884. He left behind his parents, Iohannes/Jan Makara, * ca. 1820, and Maria Olsavszká. Jan was a carpenter/wheelright and owned a house. Stephen had a brother Andrew and sister Barbara.
      Borbala Makara (*29 Nov 1858) married 18 Feb 1878, Mihaly SZALAY, 29 years old, born in Uzovsky Salgo and prob. died in 1899. He was a man-servant/groomsman. They had 11 children, 5 died in infancy. (scource: church records). The others are: Karoly,*26 Jan 1878, Miklos, *25 Sept 1882, Istvan Ferencz, *7 Jan 1885, Lujza, *19 Dec 1887, Anna Ilona, *25 May 1893, Ilona Zsofia, * 8 May 1895
      We have an undated photo of the parents and four children. They look very grand
      I looked in the white pages for Slovakia, but didn't see Szalay or Salay in Presov.

      We have part of a letter from Presov asking grandfather to give his approval to sell the house in 1907. At that time the brother Andrew must have died, because his children Verona and Stefanovi, are listed as heirs. Question : is Stefanovi male or female?
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      The other thing I might mention. In those same church books, I saw, what could be brothers of Jan Makara.
      Greorgius Makara, * 1826, and Andreas Makara, * 1831. Andreas was a bricklayer. Their parents are Mihaly Makara and Maria Duchan/Dochan. Ioannes Makara, asciarius, was a witness at the wedding of Andreas Makara in 1861. But, I can't find Jan's birthdate or name of parents. So, that's were I am stuck! But already I know more about the Family, then I would have ever thought, or anybody in the family knows.
      Asking your cousins to help in this search, is really a big thing. Maybe these good people in Presov might not want anything to do with me, because I don't represent the Family. I try to share what I find, but there is no resounding response.

      What you said about the differences in the birthdates makes sense. Thank you.

      Christine




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      From: Michael Mojher
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:43 PM
      Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia


      Christine,
      I can appreciate the fact that there is just so far you may want to pursue a family line. My mother's paternal side is such a case. With the great-grand parents being house servants their trail is virtually impossible to follow. They arrived in Sarisske Michal'any. Grandfather was born there. His birth is the only record of them being there. No other children born. Their deaths not found there. If they left for another household, who knows where.
      I have to let you know that my Mother's maternal line continues in Presov. I use Presov as my base when I'm in Slovakia. In six trips I have now "lived" there for over three months. My mother's cousin is a Jozef Sopko. He, two sons, a son-in-law and now a grandson have been firemen in Presov. Grandson Lubo is now a Captain. So I can offer a Presov connection in your search for the Szalay. With the 'z' in the name after the "S" I would guess that this is a Hungarian spelling of the name. I would not be surprised that the "z" is not used in the Latin or Slovak records. So you might be searching for a Salay. Let me know what you have on this family.
      Your question asked, Why the family sources that listed a birth date were different from the church records. For most church records the recording is done in conjunction with the baptism. Most often this was done a day or two after the birth. So it was an immediate action following the birth. When the birth was recorded in the "family source" is usually not given. It could be from days to years after the birth. The longer after the more likely a discrepancy can happen. There were not many calendars hanging in homes back in the 1800's. So just keeping track of what date it is vs. what day it is was a little more difficult. And certainly not as much as a necessity as it is now. I do as you; use the church record as the "official" one and make note of what was in other sources.

      From: christine mackara
      Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:06 PM
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

      Michael,

      Thank you for offering the help your cousin could give me. I think there are too many generations between now and the time the grandparents left there in the 1880's. As far as I can see, there is no family left in the Secovce area. Besides KRISO, some of the other names there, were KONTER and LESKO. I think, that I could have a chance with the Makara's and the Szalay Family in Presov. Maybe!
      In the 1869 Census, Mihal Kriso gives his birthplace as Berettö/Bracovce. The Mormons have a film from the Greek Cath. Church. I might get that. Secovce was also filmed and I should get that too.
      Yes, I have been traveling around Juraj Cisarik's sites. He is really marvellous. Now all I have to do , is learn to read Slovak. I will have to get at least a dictionary!
      Here is something else, that puzzles me : the birthdate family scources give for the grandparents, is different, than what I found in the church records. I should think, the church records are the correct ones, I'll just note the family scource ones.

      Thank you again for all your time,
      Christine

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    • johnqadam
      ... 29 years old, born in Uzovsky Salgo and prob. died in 1899. . . . I looked in the white pages for Slovakia, but didn t see Szalay or Salay in
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        >>> Borbala Makara (*29 Nov 1858) married 18 Feb 1878, Mihaly SZALAY,
        29 years old, born in Uzovsky Salgo and prob. died in 1899. . . . I
        looked in the white pages for Slovakia, but didn't see Szalay or Salay
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        The name SALAY and SALAYOVA appears northwest of Presov in Uzovsky
        Salgov. Isn't that where you would expect to find them?

        Salayová Anna Uzovský Šalgov 130
        Salay Vladimír Uzovský Šalgov 27
      • Vladimir Linder
        It is MALE and it refers to first name STEFAN. Vladi
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          It is MALE and it refers to first name STEFAN.

          Vladi

          At 07:27 PM 11/3/2008, you wrote:

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        • Ben Sorensen
          That would actually be Stefanovci to refer to a whole family- Stefanovi is a dative case. For example: give it to Stefan-- daj to Stefanovi. I hope this
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            That would actually be Stefanovci to refer to a whole family- Stefanovi is a dative case. For example: give it to Stefan-- daj to Stefanovi.
            I hope this helps!!!!!
            Ben

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            From: johnqadam <johnqadam@...>
            Subject: [S-R] Stefanovi
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:27 PM






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          • n8de@thepoint.net
            Does not Stefanovi refer to the RESIDENTS of the village of Stefanov? [West of Senica] Don Havlicek now in Edmore, MI
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              Does not 'Stefanovi' refer to the RESIDENTS of the village of
              Stefanov? [West of Senica]

              Don Havlicek
              now in Edmore, MI

              Quoting Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...>:

              > That would actually be Stefanovci to refer to a whole family-
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            • Ben Sorensen
              Nope, that is also the wrong formation. Stefanovi is a dative case noun- the resident would be Stefanovcan- plural Stefanovcania. Isn t Slovak fun? Here is a
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                Nope, that is also the wrong formation. Stefanovi is a dative case noun- the resident would be Stefanovcan- plural Stefanovcania.
                Isn't Slovak fun?
                Here is a good place to get these questions of grammar and pravopis:
                http://slovnik.juls.savba.sk/
                I will gladly help you all out with this stuff... :-)
                Ben

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                Subject: Re: [S-R] Stefanovi
                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Sorensen" <cerrunos1@...>
                Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:44 AM






                Does not 'Stefanovi' refer to the RESIDENTS of the village of
                Stefanov? [West of Senica]

                Don Havlicek
                now in Edmore, MI

                Quoting Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@yahoo. com>:

                > That would actually be Stefanovci to refer to a whole family-
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              • Ben Sorensen
                Priezvisko SALAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 440×, celkový poèet lokalít: 107, najèastejšie výskyty v lokalitách: OLCNAVA, okr. SPIŠSKÁ
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                  Priezvisko SALAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nach�dzalo 440�, celkov� po�et lokal�t: 107, naj�astej�ie v�skyty v lokalit�ch:
                  OLCNAVA, okr. SPI�SK� NOV� VES � 48�;
                  SNINA, okr. HUMENN� (od r. 1996 SNINA) � 40�;
                  DIVINA, okr. �ILINA � 21�;
                  �ILINA, okr. �ILINA � 15�;
                  GONDOVO (obec NOV� DEDINA), okr. LEVICE � 15�;
                  VETERN� PORUBA, okr. LIPTOVSK� MIKUL�� � 13�;
                  CINOBA�A, okr. LU�ENEC (od r. 1996 POLT�R) � 12�;
                  LU�ENEC, okr. LU�ENEC � 11�;
                  KYSUCK� NOV� MESTO, okr. �ADCA (od r. 1996 KYSUCK� NOV� MESTO) � 10�;
                  SPI�SK� HRU�OV, okr. SPI�SK� NOV� VES � 9�;

                  There are some more opportunities above, and the phone listing should help too.
                  here are other spellings:

                  Priezvisko S�LAY sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nach�dzalo 2�, celkov� po�et lokal�t: 1, v lokalit�ch:
                  BOJNI�KY, okr. TRNAVA (od r. 1996 HLOHOVEC) � 2�;


                  Priezvisko SALAY sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nach�dzalo 378�, celkov� po�et lokal�t: 93, naj�astej�ie v�skyty v lokalit�ch:
                  PETR�ALKA (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA � 48�;
                  VYSOK� PRI MORAVE, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) � 20�;
                  PLAVECK� �TVRTOK, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) � 18�;
                  ZOHOR, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) � 16�;
                  GAJARY, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) � 14�;
                  MALACKY, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) � 11�;
                  TRNAVA, okr. TRNAVA � 11�;
                  DEV�NSKA NOV� VES (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA � 11�;
                  STAR� MESTO (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA � 11�;
                  RU�INOV (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA � 10�;
                  ...


                  --- On Mon, 11/3/08, johnqadam <johnqadam@...> wrote:

                  From: johnqadam <johnqadam@...>
                  Subject: [S-R] Salay phone listings
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:24 PM






                  >>> Borbala Makara (*29 Nov 1858) married 18 Feb 1878, Mihaly SZALAY,
                  29 years old, born in Uzovsky Salgo and prob. died in 1899. . . . I
                  looked in the white pages for Slovakia, but didn't see Szalay or Salay
                  in Presov.<<<

                  The name SALAY and SALAYOVA appears northwest of Presov in Uzovsky
                  Salgov. Isn't that where you would expect to find them?

                  Salayov� Anna Uzovsk� �algov 130
                  Salay Vladim�r Uzovsk� �algov 27


















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                • christine mackara
                  Thank you, Ben. I will study this a while Christine ... From: Ben Sorensen To: Sent: Tuesday, November
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                    Thank you, Ben.
                    I will study this a while
                    Christine



                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "Ben Sorensen" <cerrunos1@...>
                    To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:16 AM
                    Subject: Re: [S-R] Salay phone listings


                    Priezvisko SALAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 440×, celkový poèet
                    lokalít: 107, najèastejsie výskyty v lokalitách:
                    OLCNAVA, okr. SPISSKÁ NOVÁ VES - 48×;
                    SNINA, okr. HUMENNÉ (od r. 1996 SNINA) - 40×;
                    DIVINA, okr. ZILINA - 21×;
                    ZILINA, okr. ZILINA - 15×;
                    GONDOVO (obec NOVÁ DEDINA), okr. LEVICE - 15×;
                    VETERNÁ PORUBA, okr. LIPTOVSKÝ MIKULÁS - 13×;
                    CINOBAÒA, okr. LUÈENEC (od r. 1996 POLTÁR) - 12×;
                    LUÈENEC, okr. LUÈENEC - 11×;
                    KYSUCKÉ NOVÉ MESTO, okr. ÈADCA (od r. 1996 KYSUCKÉ NOVÉ MESTO) - 10×;
                    SPISSKÝ HRUSOV, okr. SPISSKÁ NOVÁ VES - 9×;

                    There are some more opportunities above, and the phone listing should help
                    too.
                    here are other spellings:

                    Priezvisko SÁLAY sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 2×, celkový poèet
                    lokalít: 1, v lokalitách:
                    BOJNIÈKY, okr. TRNAVA (od r. 1996 HLOHOVEC) - 2×;


                    Priezvisko SALAY sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 378×, celkový poèet
                    lokalít: 93, najèastejsie výskyty v lokalitách:
                    PETRZALKA (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 48×;
                    VYSOKÁ PRI MORAVE, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 20×;
                    PLAVECKÝ STVRTOK, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 18×;
                    ZOHOR, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 16×;
                    GAJARY, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 14×;
                    MALACKY, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 11×;
                    TRNAVA, okr. TRNAVA - 11×;
                    DEVÍNSKA NOVÁ VES (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 11×;
                    STARÉ MESTO (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 11×;
                    RUZINOV (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 10×;
                    ...


                    --- On Mon, 11/3/08, johnqadam <johnqadam@...> wrote:

                    From: johnqadam <johnqadam@...>
                    Subject: [S-R] Salay phone listings
                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:24 PM






                    >>> Borbala Makara (*29 Nov 1858) married 18 Feb 1878, Mihaly SZALAY,
                    29 years old, born in Uzovsky Salgo and prob. died in 1899. . . . I
                    looked in the white pages for Slovakia, but didn't see Szalay or Salay
                    in Presov.<<<

                    The name SALAY and SALAYOVA appears northwest of Presov in Uzovsky
                    Salgov. Isn't that where you would expect to find them?

                    Salayová Anna Uzovský Salgov 130
                    Salay Vladimír Uzovský Salgov 27


















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                  • christine mackara
                    Hi John, Vladimir and Ben, Thank you so much for the clarification of the word Stefanovi. I felt I was looking at a male person , grandfathers nephew, I was
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                      Hi John, Vladimir and Ben,
                      Thank you so much for the clarification of the word "Stefanovi."
                      I felt I was looking at a male person , grandfathers nephew, I was right then.
                      Thanks again, Christine








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                    • Michael Mojher
                      Christine, To help you read what Ben has sent. The first sentence basically says the surname SALAJ in the year 1995 was found 440 time in 107 locations. The
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                        Christine,
                        To help you read what Ben has sent.
                        The first sentence basically says the surname SALAJ in the year 1995 was found 440 time in 107 locations. The major locations are: then they list the major ones, but not all 107.
                        The listing is first) the name of the city , town or village. Second is "okr" or Okres, the County or District name. Sometimes a "obec" comes second, which is the name of an area within a city. Then they give the number of times Salaj was found.
                        There are 72 Okres in Slovakia. They are in 8 Kraj or States. I see that 110 Salaj live in Eastern Slovakia. Ben found 2 Salay that has an accent on the A. And 378 where there is no accent on the A.
                        The Salay family is definitely concentrated around Bratislava.

                        From: christine mackara
                        Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:41 AM
                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [S-R] Salay phone listings


                        Thank you, Ben.
                        I will study this a while
                        Christine

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: "Ben Sorensen" <cerrunos1@...>
                        To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:16 AM
                        Subject: Re: [S-R] Salay phone listings

                        Priezvisko SALAJ sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 440×, celkový poèet
                        lokalít: 107, najèastejsie výskyty v lokalitách:
                        OLCNAVA, okr. SPISSKÁ NOVÁ VES - 48×;
                        SNINA, okr. HUMENNÉ (od r. 1996 SNINA) - 40×;
                        DIVINA, okr. ZILINA - 21×;
                        ZILINA, okr. ZILINA - 15×;
                        GONDOVO (obec NOVÁ DEDINA), okr. LEVICE - 15×;
                        VETERNÁ PORUBA, okr. LIPTOVSKÝ MIKULÁS - 13×;
                        CINOBAÒA, okr. LUÈENEC (od r. 1996 POLTÁR) - 12×;
                        LUÈENEC, okr. LUÈENEC - 11×;
                        KYSUCKÉ NOVÉ MESTO, okr. ÈADCA (od r. 1996 KYSUCKÉ NOVÉ MESTO) - 10×;
                        SPISSKÝ HRUSOV, okr. SPISSKÁ NOVÁ VES - 9×;

                        There are some more opportunities above, and the phone listing should help
                        too.
                        here are other spellings:

                        Priezvisko SÁLAY sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 2×, celkový poèet
                        lokalít: 1, v lokalitách:
                        BOJNIÈKY, okr. TRNAVA (od r. 1996 HLOHOVEC) - 2×;

                        Priezvisko SALAY sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 378×, celkový poèet
                        lokalít: 93, najèastejsie výskyty v lokalitách:
                        PETRZALKA (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 48×;
                        VYSOKÁ PRI MORAVE, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 20×;
                        PLAVECKÝ STVRTOK, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 18×;
                        ZOHOR, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 16×;
                        GAJARY, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 14×;
                        MALACKY, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 MALACKY) - 11×;
                        TRNAVA, okr. TRNAVA - 11×;
                        DEVÍNSKA NOVÁ VES (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 11×;
                        STARÉ MESTO (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 11×;
                        RUZINOV (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA - 10×;
                        ...

                        --- On Mon, 11/3/08, johnqadam <johnqadam@...> wrote:

                        From: johnqadam <johnqadam@...>
                        Subject: [S-R] Salay phone listings
                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:24 PM

                        >>> Borbala Makara (*29 Nov 1858) married 18 Feb 1878, Mihaly SZALAY,
                        29 years old, born in Uzovsky Salgo and prob. died in 1899. . . . I
                        looked in the white pages for Slovakia, but didn't see Szalay or Salay
                        in Presov.<<<

                        The name SALAY and SALAYOVA appears northwest of Presov in Uzovsky
                        Salgov. Isn't that where you would expect to find them?

                        Salayová Anna Uzovský Salgov 130
                        Salay Vladimír Uzovský Salgov 27

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                      • christine mackara
                        Thank you, Michael, for the explanation/translation. It helps! Johnqadam found the Salay name in Uzovsky Salgov. That could be the family of grandfathers
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                          Thank you, Michael, for the explanation/translation. It helps!
                          Johnqadam found the Salay name in Uzovsky Salgov. That could be the family of grandfathers sister !?.
                          Thank you ,John

                          Christine

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                        • Michael Mojher
                          Christine, Usovsky Salgov is a small village not to far out of the city of Sabinov on Highway 68. Highway 68 is the one I drive on to get from Presov to
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                            Christine,
                            Usovsky Salgov is a small village not to far out of the city of Sabinov on Highway 68.
                            Highway 68 is the one I drive on to get from Presov to Hromos, about 33 miles.
                            Sabinov is about 9 miles west out of Presov on Highway 68.
                            From the list below you can see that Salay and Salayova surnames are listed. I would think that these are relatives of yours. I do not think that would be from your grandfather's sister's family. If she married she would have a different surname. The Salay is a male and should be connected to the family line. Salayova is female, but you do not know if this is her original surname or a married surname. More than likely she is the wife of the Salay listed. Nonetheless, with your family history in the village and someone with the Salay surname it is more than likely they are related to you somehow. You have their house numbers. So you can write them.
                            In the mean time go through the village website, especially the Fotogaleria: http://www.uzovskysalgov.sk/
                            Uzovský Salgov

                            county: Sabinov

                            | map of the village | index of 1070 villages in Eastern Slovakia |

                            OLD NAMES of the village(town): 1773 Usz-Salgó, Usowsky Salgow, 1786 Usz-Schalgó, 1808 Usz-Salgó, Ssalgow, 1863-1882 Uszsalgó, 1888-1902 Úszsalgó, 1907-1913 Pusztasalgó, 1920 Salgov, 1927- Uzovský Salgov

                            SURNAMES:
                            Babjak Babják Bircák Cehelský Cehelský Cehelský Cehelský Dlugos Falat Falat Fedorková Galko Galko Galková
                            Galková Galková Jurcak Jusko Jusko Jusko Jusková Kiselová Kollár Kollárová Kopac Kovácová Kozáriková
                            Krulaková Kvasnák Malík Martonová Merva Merva Mihálová Novotný Orjabincová Orjabinec Polak Racko Rapavý
                            Rokosný Salay Salayová Slaninka Szkandera Simcík Simcík Spireng Stofaník Stofaník Stofaník Stofaníková
                            Stofaníková Stofaníková Stofaníková Telesnický Triscík Tuleja Vandzurová Vavrek Zahurák Zupa Zupová

                            SURNAMES added recently in 2008: Babjak Babjaková Barcziová Bircák Cehelská Cehelský Cehelský Danko Danková Dlugosová Falat Falatová Fekete Feketeová Futej Futejová Gala Galko Galková Galová Gasparovic Gasparovicová Hatala Hatalová Hurtuk Hurtuková Janiga Janigová Jarzebowská Jarzebowský Jura Jurcák Jurcáková Jusko Jusková Kisela Kiselová Kollár Kovácová Kozárik Královic Kundrát Kyselová Lesová Lukác Lukácová Malík Marcin Marcinová Marková Marton Martonová Merva Mervová Molcan Molcanová Novotná Novotný Olsavský Orjabincová Orjabinec Polák Puskás Racková Rokosná Rokosný Saksová Salay Salayová Sirotnáková Slaninka Smoron Smoronová Straková Szkandera Simcík Simciková Simcíková Stofanik Stofaník Stofaniková Stofaníková Telesnická Telesnický Tomás Tuleja Tulejová Ungvarská Ungvarský Vandzura Varchola Varcholová Vavrek Vavreková Volanský Zahuráková Zboray Zborayová Zupa Zupová



                            From: christine mackara
                            Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:40 PM
                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [S-R] Salay phone listings


                            Thank you, Michael, for the explanation/translation. It helps!
                            Johnqadam found the Salay name in Uzovsky Salgov. That could be the family of grandfathers sister !?.
                            Thank you ,John

                            Christine

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                          • Ben Sorensen
                            Thank you Mike for guiding people along that windy road that I laid here. I was at work, and couldn t help out... I am sorry. BUT, you did a great job!!!! Ben
                            Message 13 of 27 , Nov 4, 2008
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                              Thank you Mike for guiding people along that windy road that I laid here. I was at work, and couldn't help out... I am sorry. BUT, you did a great job!!!!
                              Ben

                              --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Michael Mojher <mgmojher@...> wrote:

                              From: Michael Mojher <mgmojher@...>
                              Subject: Re: [S-R] Salay phone listings
                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 8:03 PM






                              Christine,
                              Usovsky Salgov is a small village not to far out of the city of Sabinov on Highway 68.
                              Highway 68 is the one I drive on to get from Presov to Hromos, about 33 miles.
                              Sabinov is about 9 miles west out of Presov on Highway 68.
                              From the list below you can see that Salay and Salayova surnames are listed. I would think that these are relatives of yours. I do not think that would be from your grandfather' s sister's family. If she married she would have a different surname. The Salay is a male and should be connected to the family line. Salayova is female, but you do not know if this is her original surname or a married surname. More than likely she is the wife of the Salay listed. Nonetheless, with your family history in the village and someone with the Salay surname it is more than likely they are related to you somehow. You have their house numbers. So you can write them.
                              In the mean time go through the village website, especially the Fotogaleria: http://www.uzovskys algov.sk/
                              Uzovský Salgov

                              county: Sabinov

                              | map of the village | index of 1070 villages in Eastern Slovakia |

                              OLD NAMES of the village(town) : 1773 Usz-Salgó, Usowsky Salgow, 1786 Usz-Schalgó, 1808 Usz-Salgó, Ssalgow, 1863-1882 Uszsalgó, 1888-1902 Úszsalgó, 1907-1913 Pusztasalgó, 1920 Salgov, 1927- Uzovský Salgov

                              SURNAMES:
                              Babjak Babják Bircák Cehelský Cehelský Cehelský Cehelský Dlugos Falat Falat Fedorková Galko Galko Galková
                              Galková Galková Jurcak Jusko Jusko Jusko Jusková Kiselová Kollár Kollárová Kopac Kovácová Kozáriková
                              Krulaková Kvasnák Malík Martonová Merva Merva Mihálová Novotný Orjabincová Orjabinec Polak Racko Rapavý
                              Rokosný Salay Salayová Slaninka Szkandera Simcík Simcík Spireng Stofaník Stofaník Stofaník Stofaníková
                              Stofaníková Stofaníková Stofaníková Telesnický Triscík Tuleja Vandzurová Vavrek Zahurák Zupa Zupová

                              SURNAMES added recently in 2008: Babjak Babjaková Barcziová Bircák Cehelská Cehelský Cehelský Danko Danková Dlugosová Falat Falatová Fekete Feketeová Futej Futejová Gala Galko Galková Galová Gasparovic Gasparovicová Hatala Hatalová Hurtuk Hurtuková Janiga Janigová Jarzebowská Jarzebowský Jura Jurcák Jurcáková Jusko Jusková Kisela Kiselová Kollár Kovácová Kozárik Královic Kundrát Kyselová Lesová Lukác Lukácová Malík Marcin Marcinová Marková Marton Martonová Merva Mervová Molcan Molcanová Novotná Novotný Olsavský Orjabincová Orjabinec Polák Puskás Racková Rokosná Rokosný Saksová Salay Salayová Sirotnáková Slaninka Smoron Smoronová Straková Szkandera Simcík Simciková Simcíková Stofanik Stofaník Stofaniková Stofaníková Telesnická Telesnický Tomás Tuleja Tulejová Ungvarská Ungvarský Vandzura Varchola Varcholová Vavrek Vavreková Volanský Zahuráková Zboray Zborayová Zupa Zupová

                              From: christine mackara
                              Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:40 PM
                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                              Subject: Re: [S-R] Salay phone listings

                              Thank you, Michael, for the explanation/ translation. It helps!
                              Johnqadam found the Salay name in Uzovsky Salgov. That could be the family of grandfathers sister !?.
                              Thank you ,John

                              Christine

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                            • Marilyn Hertenstein
                              Christine, A question for you….there are two elderly gentlemen in our church in St. Louis, MO with the surname Makara. Do you have relatives in St. Louis?
                              Message 14 of 27 , Nov 6, 2008
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                                Christine,
                                A question for you….there are two elderly gentlemen in our church in St.
                                Louis, MO with the surname Makara. Do you have relatives in St. Louis? One
                                is the founding father of our Byzantine Catholic Mission Church.

                                Marilyn

                                From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                                Behalf Of christine mackara
                                Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:15 PM
                                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

                                Hello Michael,
                                How could I ever thank you, for all the help you have given me and are now
                                offering.
                                I have thought about this family so long, (26 years), I feel like a part of
                                it now.
                                Grandfather Stefan Makara,(1861-1929)came to Philadelphia,Pa, in 1884. He
                                left behind his parents, Iohannes/Jan Makara, * ca. 1820, and Maria
                                Olsavszká. Jan was a carpenter/wheelright and owned a house. Stephen had a
                                brother Andrew and sister Barbara.
                                Borbala Makara (*29 Nov 1858) married 18 Feb 1878, Mihaly SZALAY, 29 years
                                old, born in Uzovsky Salgo and prob. died in 1899. He was a
                                man-servant/groomsman. They had 11 children, 5 died in infancy. (scource:
                                church records). The others are: Karoly,*26 Jan 1878, Miklos, *25 Sept 1882,
                                Istvan Ferencz, *7 Jan 1885, Lujza, *19 Dec 1887, Anna Ilona, *25 May 1893,
                                Ilona Zsofia, * 8 May 1895
                                We have an undated photo of the parents and four children. They look very
                                grand
                                I looked in the white pages for Slovakia, but didn't see Szalay or Salay in
                                Presov.

                                We have part of a letter from Presov asking grandfather to give his approval
                                to sell the house in 1907. At that time the brother Andrew must have died,
                                because his children Verona and Stefanovi, are listed as heirs. Question :
                                is Stefanovi male or female?
                                .
                                The other thing I might mention. In those same church books, I saw, what
                                could be brothers of Jan Makara.
                                Greorgius Makara, * 1826, and Andreas Makara, * 1831. Andreas was a
                                bricklayer. Their parents are Mihaly Makara and Maria Duchan/Dochan. Ioannes
                                Makara, asciarius, was a witness at the wedding of Andreas Makara in 1861.
                                But, I can't find Jan's birthdate or name of parents. So, that's were I am
                                stuck! But already I know more about the Family, then I would have ever
                                thought, or anybody in the family knows.
                                Asking your cousins to help in this search, is really a big thing. Maybe
                                these good people in Presov might not want anything to do with me, because I
                                don't represent the Family. I try to share what I find, but there is no
                                resounding response.

                                What you said about the differences in the birthdates makes sense. Thank
                                you.

                                Christine

                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: Michael Mojher
                                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:43 PM
                                Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

                                Christine,
                                I can appreciate the fact that there is just so far you may want to pursue a
                                family line. My mother's paternal side is such a case. With the great-grand
                                parents being house servants their trail is virtually impossible to follow.
                                They arrived in Sarisske Michal'any. Grandfather was born there. His birth
                                is the only record of them being there. No other children born. Their deaths
                                not found there. If they left for another household, who knows where.
                                I have to let you know that my Mother's maternal line continues in Presov. I
                                use Presov as my base when I'm in Slovakia. In six trips I have now "lived"
                                there for over three months. My mother's cousin is a Jozef Sopko. He, two
                                sons, a son-in-law and now a grandson have been firemen in Presov. Grandson
                                Lubo is now a Captain. So I can offer a Presov connection in your search for
                                the Szalay. With the 'z' in the name after the "S" I would guess that this
                                is a Hungarian spelling of the name. I would not be surprised that the "z"
                                is not used in the Latin or Slovak records. So you might be searching for a
                                Salay. Let me know what you have on this family.
                                Your question asked, Why the family sources that listed a birth date were
                                different from the church records. For most church records the recording is
                                done in conjunction with the baptism. Most often this was done a day or two
                                after the birth. So it was an immediate action following the birth. When the
                                birth was recorded in the "family source" is usually not given. It could be
                                from days to years after the birth. The longer after the more likely a
                                discrepancy can happen. There were not many calendars hanging in homes back
                                in the 1800's. So just keeping track of what date it is vs. what day it is
                                was a little more difficult. And certainly not as much as a necessity as it
                                is now. I do as you; use the church record as the "official" one and make
                                note of what was in other sources.

                                From: christine mackara
                                Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:06 PM
                                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                                Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

                                Michael,

                                Thank you for offering the help your cousin could give me. I think there are
                                too many generations between now and the time the grandparents left there in
                                the 1880's. As far as I can see, there is no family left in the Secovce
                                area. Besides KRISO, some of the other names there, were KONTER and LESKO. I
                                think, that I could have a chance with the Makara's and the Szalay Family in
                                Presov. Maybe!
                                In the 1869 Census, Mihal Kriso gives his birthplace as Berettö/Bracovce.
                                The Mormons have a film from the Greek Cath. Church. I might get that.
                                Secovce was also filmed and I should get that too.
                                Yes, I have been traveling around Juraj Cisarik's sites. He is really
                                marvellous. Now all I have to do , is learn to read Slovak. I will have to
                                get at least a dictionary!
                                Here is something else, that puzzles me : the birthdate family scources give
                                for the grandparents, is different, than what I found in the church records.
                                I should think, the church records are the correct ones, I'll just note the
                                family scource ones.

                                Thank you again for all your time,
                                Christine

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                              • christine mackara
                                Marilyn, As far as uncle Joe knew, and in turn I know, besides the sister Sofia Makara, who married Joseph Hanisko, here in Philadelphia,Pa., nobody from that
                                Message 15 of 27 , Nov 6, 2008
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                                  Marilyn,
                                  As far as uncle Joe knew, and in turn I know, besides the sister Sofia Makara, who married Joseph Hanisko, here in Philadelphia,Pa., nobody from that family emigrated. Maybe more distant relatives came over, but we don't know that. There is another Makara Family here in Philadelphia, and I visited with them about 20 or so years ago, but I was told, that we are not related.
                                  Christine





                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: Marilyn Hertenstein
                                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:06 AM
                                  Subject: RE: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia


                                  Christine,
                                  A question for you..there are two elderly gentlemen in our church in St.
                                  Louis, MO with the surname Makara. Do you have relatives in St. Louis? One
                                  is the founding father of our Byzantine Catholic Mission Church.

                                  Marilyn

                                  From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                                  Behalf Of christine mackara
                                  Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:15 PM
                                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

                                  Hello Michael,
                                  How could I ever thank you, for all the help you have given me and are now
                                  offering.
                                  I have thought about this family so long, (26 years), I feel like a part of
                                  it now.
                                  Grandfather Stefan Makara,(1861-1929)came to Philadelphia,Pa, in 1884. He
                                  left behind his parents, Iohannes/Jan Makara, * ca. 1820, and Maria
                                  Olsavszká. Jan was a carpenter/wheelright and owned a house. Stephen had a
                                  brother Andrew and sister Barbara.
                                  Borbala Makara (*29 Nov 1858) married 18 Feb 1878, Mihaly SZALAY, 29 years
                                  old, born in Uzovsky Salgo and prob. died in 1899. He was a
                                  man-servant/groomsman. They had 11 children, 5 died in infancy. (scource:
                                  church records). The others are: Karoly,*26 Jan 1878, Miklos, *25 Sept 1882,
                                  Istvan Ferencz, *7 Jan 1885, Lujza, *19 Dec 1887, Anna Ilona, *25 May 1893,
                                  Ilona Zsofia, * 8 May 1895
                                  We have an undated photo of the parents and four children. They look very
                                  grand
                                  I looked in the white pages for Slovakia, but didn't see Szalay or Salay in
                                  Presov.

                                  We have part of a letter from Presov asking grandfather to give his approval
                                  to sell the house in 1907. At that time the brother Andrew must have died,
                                  because his children Verona and Stefanovi, are listed as heirs. Question :
                                  is Stefanovi male or female?
                                  .
                                  The other thing I might mention. In those same church books, I saw, what
                                  could be brothers of Jan Makara.
                                  Greorgius Makara, * 1826, and Andreas Makara, * 1831. Andreas was a
                                  bricklayer. Their parents are Mihaly Makara and Maria Duchan/Dochan. Ioannes
                                  Makara, asciarius, was a witness at the wedding of Andreas Makara in 1861.
                                  But, I can't find Jan's birthdate or name of parents. So, that's were I am
                                  stuck! But already I know more about the Family, then I would have ever
                                  thought, or anybody in the family knows.
                                  Asking your cousins to help in this search, is really a big thing. Maybe
                                  these good people in Presov might not want anything to do with me, because I
                                  don't represent the Family. I try to share what I find, but there is no
                                  resounding response.

                                  What you said about the differences in the birthdates makes sense. Thank
                                  you.

                                  Christine

                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: Michael Mojher
                                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:43 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

                                  Christine,
                                  I can appreciate the fact that there is just so far you may want to pursue a
                                  family line. My mother's paternal side is such a case. With the great-grand
                                  parents being house servants their trail is virtually impossible to follow.
                                  They arrived in Sarisske Michal'any. Grandfather was born there. His birth
                                  is the only record of them being there. No other children born. Their deaths
                                  not found there. If they left for another household, who knows where.
                                  I have to let you know that my Mother's maternal line continues in Presov. I
                                  use Presov as my base when I'm in Slovakia. In six trips I have now "lived"
                                  there for over three months. My mother's cousin is a Jozef Sopko. He, two
                                  sons, a son-in-law and now a grandson have been firemen in Presov. Grandson
                                  Lubo is now a Captain. So I can offer a Presov connection in your search for
                                  the Szalay. With the 'z' in the name after the "S" I would guess that this
                                  is a Hungarian spelling of the name. I would not be surprised that the "z"
                                  is not used in the Latin or Slovak records. So you might be searching for a
                                  Salay. Let me know what you have on this family.
                                  Your question asked, Why the family sources that listed a birth date were
                                  different from the church records. For most church records the recording is
                                  done in conjunction with the baptism. Most often this was done a day or two
                                  after the birth. So it was an immediate action following the birth. When the
                                  birth was recorded in the "family source" is usually not given. It could be
                                  from days to years after the birth. The longer after the more likely a
                                  discrepancy can happen. There were not many calendars hanging in homes back
                                  in the 1800's. So just keeping track of what date it is vs. what day it is
                                  was a little more difficult. And certainly not as much as a necessity as it
                                  is now. I do as you; use the church record as the "official" one and make
                                  note of what was in other sources.

                                  From: christine mackara
                                  Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:06 PM
                                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia

                                  Michael,

                                  Thank you for offering the help your cousin could give me. I think there are
                                  too many generations between now and the time the grandparents left there in
                                  the 1880's. As far as I can see, there is no family left in the Secovce
                                  area. Besides KRISO, some of the other names there, were KONTER and LESKO. I
                                  think, that I could have a chance with the Makara's and the Szalay Family in
                                  Presov. Maybe!
                                  In the 1869 Census, Mihal Kriso gives his birthplace as Berettö/Bracovce.
                                  The Mormons have a film from the Greek Cath. Church. I might get that.
                                  Secovce was also filmed and I should get that too.
                                  Yes, I have been traveling around Juraj Cisarik's sites. He is really
                                  marvellous. Now all I have to do , is learn to read Slovak. I will have to
                                  get at least a dictionary!
                                  Here is something else, that puzzles me : the birthdate family scources give
                                  for the grandparents, is different, than what I found in the church records.
                                  I should think, the church records are the correct ones, I'll just note the
                                  family scource ones.

                                  Thank you again for all your time,
                                  Christine

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                                • gklodzen@aol.com
                                  Christine, I don t know about your Makara family, but the same was also told to my cousin Lucy by another Klodzen family member then living in another city
                                  Message 16 of 27 , Nov 6, 2008
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                                    Christine,

                                    I don't know about your Makara family, but the same was also told to my
                                    cousin Lucy by another Klodzen family member then living in another city (...no,
                                    "we're not related"). Years later a little investigation of the recently
                                    microfilmed records of Eastern Slovakia Churches revealed that indeed they were
                                    not only related, but that their respective grandfathers were brothers from
                                    village Vinne.

                                    My advice? Keep researching, families can get separated very easily.

                                    Eugene Klodzen


                                    In a message dated 11/6/2008 10:54:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
                                    christine1931@... writes:

                                    Maybe more distant relatives came over, but we don't know that. There is
                                    another Makara Family here in Philadelphia, and I visited with them about 20 or
                                    so years ago, but I was told, that we are not related.
                                    Christine




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                                  • Lisa Marzonie
                                    I concur. I ve learned from my other genealogy research not to discard anything. Many times people I ve queried are quick to dismiss the possibility of
                                    Message 17 of 27 , Nov 6, 2008
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                                      I concur. I've learned from my other genealogy research not to discard anything. Many times people I've queried are quick to dismiss the possibility of relationships (There are many reasons for this.) before really looking into it---wrong town, I don't recognize the name, etc. I always keep files of "possibles" and don't get rid of anything in them unless I'm convinced there's absolutely no connection. Sometimes people are wrong, and it works both ways: some people quickly jump to the conclusion that there IS a relationship without adequate proof. As researchers, we have to be patient and stay balanced."We have been called to heal wounds, to unite what has fallen apart and to bring home those who have lost their way." St. Francis of AssisiTo: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.comFrom: gklodzen@...: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:20:20 -0500Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia



















                                      Christine,

                                      I don't know about your Makara family, but the same was also told to my
                                      cousin Lucy by another Klodzen family member then living in another city (...no,
                                      "we're not related"). Years later a little investigation of the recently
                                      microfilmed records of Eastern Slovakia Churches revealed that indeed they were
                                      not only related, but that their respective grandfathers were brothers from
                                      village Vinne.

                                      My advice? Keep researching, families can get separated very easily.

                                      Eugene Klodzen


                                      In a message dated 11/6/2008 10:54:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
                                      christine1931@... writes:

                                      Maybe more distant relatives came over, but we don't know that. There is
                                      another Makara Family here in Philadelphia, and I visited with them about 20 or
                                      so years ago, but I was told, that we are not related.
                                      Christine

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                                    • christine mackara
                                      Eugene, Thank you for your input. I should have said : we are not directly related. You are right, of course, never give up looking for new info. I keep
                                      Message 18 of 27 , Nov 7, 2008
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                                        Eugene,

                                        Thank you for your input. I should have said : we are not directly related. You are right, of course, never give up looking for new info. I keep everything! And now and then I go over the notes and find new ways to look at things.

                                        Have a good weekend
                                        Christine





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                                        From: gklodzen@...
                                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:20 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [S-R] Pottery in Slovakia



                                        Christine,

                                        I don't know about your Makara family, but the same was also told to my
                                        cousin Lucy by another Klodzen family member then living in another city (...no,
                                        "we're not related"). Years later a little investigation of the recently
                                        microfilmed records of Eastern Slovakia Churches revealed that indeed they were
                                        not only related, but that their respective grandfathers were brothers from
                                        village Vinne.

                                        My advice? Keep researching, families can get separated very easily.

                                        Eugene Klodzen


                                        In a message dated 11/6/2008 10:54:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
                                        christine1931@... writes:

                                        Maybe more distant relatives came over, but we don't know that. There is
                                        another Makara Family here in Philadelphia, and I visited with them about 20 or
                                        so years ago, but I was told, that we are not related.
                                        Christine

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