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  • Ben Sorensen
    Hi maxine... I am the odd man out in my family. I am, I guess, confused....  I am the only NON-SLOVAK in my house! BUT, don t let this undermine what I have
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      Hi maxine...
      I am the "odd man out" in my family. I am, I guess, confused....
      �I am the only NON-SLOVAK in my house! BUT, don't let this undermine what I have written before.... my house is a "slovak-only" household! :-) Therefore, I speak it relatively well- I have a marriage based on communication in Slovak. Dr. Joe knows exactly what I mean... I make mistakes, gramatically and so forth... but I also translate, and that for Slovak companies.� I lived in Slovakia for 5 years (or so.... have to look back) but have been travelling there and to the Czech�Republic�since the wall came down and I discovered love in "that club."� I am an active folklorist in Slovakia and America, which makes for a limited audience, and also a "traditional" fujarist and pistalkar.� The only thing, though, that I can say I know forwards and backwards is really Slovak and English. Like I said, I make mistakes... but I use it so often that it might as well be my first (and a half) language.� It is going to sound wierd, but I am more comfortable in
      Slovak than English. and I am an American born to Danish parents with a Slovak family.

      I think myself as an "accepted" member of a Slovak community, both in Slovakia and here. I hope I am right!!! My father complains that I am now more Slovak than American since I came back- and just last night, I was translating for him at a pub as we were negotiating with Poles and Czechs..... What a fun day.... :-)

      I know, I know... off topic.� Anyways, on topic subject:� Has anyone had problems locating family in the "flooded" Liptovsky regions? Many villages were washed out when the reservoirs were made, and I was wondering how you all dealt with this "setback!"

      Ben

      --- On Mon, 8/4/08, maxine <maxine96@...> wrote:

      From: maxine <maxine96@...>
      Subject: Re: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 1:33 AM






      Thanks Ben, appreciate the help! I thought you were Slovak? What are you, if I may ask? I am Rusyn with people living in Slovakia. maxine

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Ben Sorensen
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
      Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:14 AM
      Subject: Re: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995

      The last name �A�ALA (said shashala) was found in Slovakia in 1995 109 times, overall count of localities: 26, most often found in these localities: (okr. county or region- od r. means from the year.)

      TORYSA, okr. PRE�OV (od r. 1996 SABINOV) � 23�;
      LIPANY, okr. PRE�OV (od r. 1996 SABINOV) � 17�;
      JAKUBANY, okr. STAR� �UBOV�A � 13�;
      DUBOVICA, okr. PRE�OV (od r. 1996 SABINOV) � 7�;
      STAR� �UBOV�A, okr. STAR� �UBOV�A � 5�;
      NAD JAZEROM (obec KO�ICE), okr. KO�ICE � 4�;
      FORBASY, okr. STAR� �UBOV�A � 3�;
      MICHALOVCE, okr. MICHALOVCE � 3�;
      NOV� �UBOV�A, okr. STAR� �UBOV�A � 3�;
      ORLOV, okr. STAR� �UBOV�A � 3�;
      Please note that these are all Saris to Goral areas, with Kosice being its own thing- but still all eastern! What you found in Jakubany were all the last names that happened to be documented in Jakubany in 1995. Can't tell how many are related... Sorry Maxine!

      I think that we may NOT know exactly what this database is: it is a gazeteer, surname databank, Slovak thesaurus and a dictionary all rolled into one! Try this: type in "zirny." This is a word that is not often used in slovak- so a Slovak person would type this into the database and learn its definition and synonyms. This is why it asks for "exact, suffixes, prefixes... etc..." So, if you don't speak Slovak, just ask. :-)

      I am here for you all, even if it isn't my native tounge. I promise to try to answer as fast as I can. This database is a killer, especially when you don't know what you are seeing. It is NOT user friendly- not even for Slovak speakers. Interestingly, I typed in the name of the Liptovsky hat that is part of the kroj in that area from Martin to Dubrava.... Sirak (shirak.) I got the history of the word, the meanings, and even villages whose names are based on that word. This is a gold mine for both the Slovak Language student and the genealogist. Have fun y'all!!!!

      Ben

      --- On Sat, 8/2/08, maxine <maxine96@cox. net> wrote:

      From: maxine <maxine96@cox. net>
      Subject: Re: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
      Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 7:31 PM

      Welcome home Ben! First I wanted to tell you that I DID return your message about the background music on the Jakubany tapes. However, your message came back!
      I do not know why.

      Second-with this "Surnames in Slovakia", I typed in SASALA, then went to JAKUBANY and what appeared were a whole bunch of NAMES. Are they all my RELATIVES? Actually, most are, but are they all? Also it stated "prefix, sufex, string of words, etc" I do not know what to put in. Need some answers ole pal!
      Once again, thank you for all your help and I always REPLY to your messages! thanks maxine sasala

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Ben Sorensen
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
      Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:16 AM
      Subject: Re: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995

      It doesn't translate completely.
      But, the "Pravidl� slovensk�ho pravopisu" area is how the word changes grammatically. This is good if you speak Slovak. The area marked N�zvy obc� Slovenskej republiky (V�vin v rokoch 1773 � 1997) gives you the name-changes throughout the ages- in this case back to 1773. Datab�za priezvisk na Slovensku is your Surname Bank for that area. If you search by surname, the first place listed is where the surname occurs most often.

      Ben

      --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Cathie McAdams <ab8gv@yahoo. com> wrote:

      > From: Cathie McAdams <ab8gv@yahoo. com>
      > Subject: Re: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995
      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
      > Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 3:57 PM
      > Unfortunately, only a few words, like 'find' and
      > 'search' are in English. While it would be nice to
      > know what the rest of it says, I am satisfied with that much
      > for now.
      >
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----
      > From: Dorothy L Fitts <dfitts22@imailone. net>
      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
      > Sent: Friday, August 1, 2008 9:40:57 AM
      > Subject: RE: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995
      >
      >
      > I found some English words but did not find anything to
      > translate the whole
      > site. Where did you find that icon? When I selected the
      > British flag nothing
      > more seemed to happen except those few words.
      >
      > this is a section of what I found:
      > Datab�za priezvisk na Slovensku
      >
      > P. Ďurč o a kol.: Datab�za vlastn�ch
      > mien a n�zvov lokal�t na
      > Slovensku. Podklady k projektu: Copernicus Programme,
      > project COP-58:
      > ONOMASTICA�COPERNICU S DATABASE. CD ROM. Paris: ELRA �
      > 1998. More
      > information.
      >
      > Priezvisko P�ĽKO sa na Slovensku v roku 1995
      > nach�dzalo 1�, celkov�
      > počet lokal�t: 1, v lokalit�ch:
      > KRIV�Ň, okr. ZVOLEN (od r. 1996 DETVA) � 1�;
      >
      > Dorothy
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK- ROOTS@
      > yahoogroups. com]On
      > Behalf Of Cathie McAdams
      > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:52 PM
      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
      > Subject: Re: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995
      >
      > I was able to find an icon that will translate that site to
      > English. That
      > should help you.
      > I have a different question. I was found the village I was
      > looking for
      > and after the last name shown in the village, I found this
      > ', ...'. Does
      > anybody know how to get the rest of the names on the list?
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----
      > From: Dorothy L Fitts <dfitts22@imailone. net>
      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
      > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:42:14 PM
      > Subject: RE: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995
      >
      > Unfortunately I do not speak Slovak. I have just started to
      > learn. When I
      > went to this site I found a surname I was looking for
      > repeated again and
      > again. There seemed to be a standard format. Could someone
      > tell me what
      > some
      > of the repeated words mean. I would appreciate any help
      > anyone can give.
      > Thank you.
      >
      > Dorothy
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK- ROOTS@
      > yahoogroups.
      > com]On
      > Behalf Of Anabeth Dollins
      > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:20 PM
      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
      > Subject: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995
      >
      > Database of surnames in Slovakia in 1995 (go to bottom of
      > search page
      > -- look for "Datab�za priezvisk na Slovensku").
      >
      > Also a lexicon of Slovak language.
      >
      > http://slovnik. juls.savba. sk/?lang= en
      >
      > Sent to me by a helpful Slovak cousin.
      >
      > Anabeth
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    • June McKee
      Tom thank you for that info. I will check it out and see where it takes me. June ... From: Tom Geiss To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August
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        Tom thank you for that info. I will check it out and see where it takes me.

        June
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Tom Geiss
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 7:46 AM
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995


        June,
        For records pertaining to Munkacs, in Ukraine, you might try contacting
        the Ukrainian consulate , to ask where their archives are pertaining to the town. The address I found on google in D.C. is as follows,

        3350 M. St., N.W. 20007
        Tel# is (202) 349 2920

        If you're out west, they also have a consulate in San Francisco

        Tom
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: June McKee
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:15 AM
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995

        Tom,
        thanks for the addresses. I asume that you write them in English for your request? The 171.00 does sound much better for the six hours rather than just three. I am sure that they will have alot of really good info for you. Please let me know what you get back I am really interested. As for Munkacs It is a very large city in the Ukraine which use to be a part of Hungary. I know that Presov Archives would not handle that one but I appreciate it just the same.

        Well take care and keep intouch

        June

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Tom Geiss
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:58 PM
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995

        June,
        First off, let me give you the address I have of the Presov Archives. It's

        Statny Archiv V Presov
        Slanska 31
        Presov
        Slovakia
        Europe

        E-mail archiv@...
        There should be five zip numbers before Presov, but I don't seem to have them. I guess you can E-mail them to get them, or else ask the consulate for their complete address when you write them requesting application forms.
        I don't know where MUNKACS is, whether the Presov Archives will cover it or not.
        Actually, the 171.00 was for a total of six hours { 3 simple, and 3 demanding}. Whether it's a bargain or not I won't know until I see their report.
        I had already known my grandma's birth , and death dates. However I only knew the birth years of her three known siblings, (out of eight children}.
        Also, I knew the names only of her two parents. Plus I knew the town of her birth.
        Hope this helps. If you need them, I can also supply the addresses of the Levoca , as well as Banska Bystrica Archives, but of course the Slovak consulate can also supply these.
        Goon luck Tom
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: June McKee
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:14 PM
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995

        Tom,

        does that seem like alot for 3hrs? And yes it did help I appreicate it. Did you have any information on your family at all before requesting this search? I sure hope that they send you some good information. I have a pretty good bit of information on my dads side KOLINA which is Hungarian /Slovak ??? I have been researching now for about 8yrs and have done it all by help from this wonderful group and looking at films thru the LDS and various sites in the internet.
        I have not been so lucky on my dads mothers side which is BOLDIZAR. The village in which she came from is now in the Ukraine which is making it very difficult for me. I believe the village in which she came from is called Klascano from what is on her immig. papers, although these papers are very hard to read from the faint print. As for looking at films that may be able to be ordered from LDS they would be in Russian and I would not be able to read them. Humm too bad being my mother is Russian and Danish and she was raised speaking Russian she never was able to read it and forgot alot. Anyways back to my question, would you know how I would find out which Archive I would want to request information from if I was looking in the Munkacs region and also Presov?

        thanks, and good luck with that boat load of information you will get back!

        June

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Tom Geiss
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:40 PM
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995

        June,
        It was $171.00, for 3 hrs. simple research, and 3hrs.demanding research, whatever that is. What I did was to get an application from the Slovak Consulate, fill it out, and send it to the Levoca Archives.
        At the bottom of the application, they ask for your spending limit.

        What I think is holing things up is that I had the research done at Levoca, But had to pay a bank in Bratislava. I guess that's bureaucracy; red tape. Don't know; I'm still an amateur.
        Of course I won't know what they uncovered 'till they see their money.
        Hope that helps.
        Tom
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: June McKee
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:19 PM
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995

        Hi Tom,
        Just curious what did they charge you for the six hours of research?

        thanks,
        June
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Tom Geiss
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:10 PM
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995

        Thanks, in advance, for the photos. It was real nice of you to do that.
        No, I don't really have any real expectations about relatives there at this time. I made the Brezovica connection this year, so that's progress of a sort. I got a bill from the Levoca Archives for six hrs of research, and am now awaiting their report.
        Thanks again. Tom
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Ben Sorensen
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:58 PM
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995

        Hi there Tom,
        personal note, you got pics coming when my wife returns with our camera!

        But no, there is no church there. Hozelec is the closer of the two villages, so catholics all go there. Lutherans may go to Svabovce or Zakovce- or further in this day and age. Poprad is still only a hop, skip, jump, and spin from there, so.... I wouldn't be at all suprised about finding the records there. The matrika is in Horka, and everyone in Hozelec knows all 21 families in Usvit... if there are even that many anymore!

        It must be the smallest village in Slovakia, but don't quote me on that. :-) I know that Smizany is the largest.....

        IF you think you have family there- I can double-check with my family in Hozelec. Milka's mom is from Usvit and her father is from Zakovce... sooo... we still have "connections" there.

        Ben

        --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Tom Geiss <tomfgurka@...> wrote:

        From: Tom Geiss <tomfgurka@...>
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 12:18 AM

        Ben, I find this village of '"Usvit" INTERESTING! ! between Hozelec and Zakovce?? Did it happen to have a church? and "Archives" ?
        Tom
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Ben Sorensen
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
        Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 11:55 AM
        Subject: RE: [S-R] Surnames in Slovakia in 1995

        I just found that the database is incomplete. Just between Hozelec and Zakovce there is a small, small village- even people from Poprad don't know it is there. The new highway is going right over it, and people in Hozelec all know the village- it is the "poor neighbors." The place is called Usvit, and is also home to a large, now all but dead agro-complex and a landfill. The database gives us definitions for the word usvit (dawn), but does NOT list the village. It is still great, but just letting you all know, NOT foolproof.

        Ben

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