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  • Margo Smith
    Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can point me in the right direction.   I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great
    Message 1 of 28 , Jun 20, 2008
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      Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can point me in the right direction.
       
      I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people and places.  Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they do not support Slovak diacritics.  I discovered that it is possible to cut and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into Family Tree Maker.  However, c with caron seems impossible.  I asked about this at the CSI conference in Madison last October.  and I also asked my computer wizard friends.  None of them have been able to do this either.
       
      My husband believes that one should be able to make a macro consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know how to do it. (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c with caron, which is what I tried to do.)
       
      Have any of you been able to solve this problem?  Thank you for any insight you might have on this problem.
       
      Margo




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    • Gordon Grening
      Dear Margo, The answer to your question is to use ALT KEY Codes. For example, if you hold down the ALT key and type 0231 on your key pad you get ç, 0232 =
      Message 2 of 28 , Jun 21, 2008
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        Dear Margo,

        The answer to your question is to use ALT KEY Codes. For example, if you hold down the ALT key and type 0231 on your key pad you get ç, 0232 = è, 0199 = Ç, 0196 = Ä. etc. I use the codes all the time in Family Tree Maker for my German and Slovak names. You must type in the leading zero.

        To get a list of the codes do a GOGGLE or YAHOO search on "Alt Key Codes." You will get a list of many sites. You will have to check each site until you find one which gives you all the codes you need. I did this several years ago and found a site which gave me all the codes for 0000 through 0256. Unfortunately I don't remember which site I got the codes from. Look for a site which gives the extended code or internation code sets which consists of 4 digits codes. You don't want the old 3 digit code set since it does not contain all of the characters which have diacritical marks.

        I'm ready surprise that your computer friends did not know about this.

        By the way my name in German is Grönning.



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      • Bill Tarkulich
        There is a simpler answer, if you are using Microsoft Windows on your PC and don t want to monkey around with key sequences. It s a facility to change your
        Message 3 of 28 , Jun 21, 2008
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          There is a simpler answer, if you are using Microsoft Windows on your PC and
          don't want to monkey around with key sequences. It's a facility to change
          your keyboard for a different foreign character set. There is also a visual
          map of the keyboard that you can use. I use it all the time. It's quite
          easy to switch between languages with two mouse clicks. I've written up how
          to configure it here for Windows XP, 2000, 98 and 95/ME:

          http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/language_characters.htm

          Good Luck,

          Bill


          -----Original Message-----
          From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
          Behalf Of Margo Smith
          Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 6:59 PM
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [S-R] Diacritics

          Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can point me in the
          right direction.
           
          I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great difficulty with
          Slovak diacritics on the names of people and places.  Twice I contacted
          Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they do not support Slovak diacritics. 
          I discovered that it is possible to cut and paste MOST of the Slovak
          diacritics from Word into Family Tree Maker.  However, c with caron seems
          impossible.  I asked about this at the CSI conference in Madison last
          October.  and I also asked my computer wizard friends.  None of them have
          been able to do this either.
           
          My husband believes that one should be able to make a macro consisting of c
          backspace caron, although we don't know how to do it. (As opposed to using
          the ASCII code for the symbol of c with caron, which is what I tried to do.)
           
          Have any of you been able to solve this problem?  Thank you for any insight
          you might have on this problem.
           
          Margo




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        • Frank R. Plichta
          Grönning = Greonning not Grening Frank _____ From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Grening Sent:
          Message 4 of 28 , Jun 21, 2008
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            Grönning = Greonning not Grening



            Frank



            _____

            From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
            Behalf Of Gordon Grening
            Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 6:10 AM
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [SPAM]Re: [S-R] Diacritics



            Dear Margo,

            The answer to your question is to use ALT KEY Codes. For example, if you
            hold down the ALT key and type 0231 on your key pad you get ç, 0232 = è,
            0199 = Ç, 0196 = Ä. etc. I use the codes all the time in Family Tree Maker
            for my German and Slovak names. You must type in the leading zero.

            To get a list of the codes do a GOGGLE or YAHOO search on "Alt Key Codes."
            You will get a list of many sites. You will have to check each site until
            you find one which gives you all the codes you need. I did this several
            years ago and found a site which gave me all the codes for 0000 through
            0256. Unfortunately I don't remember which site I got the codes from. Look
            for a site which gives the extended code or internation code sets which
            consists of 4 digits codes. You don't want the old 3 digit code set since it
            does not contain all of the characters which have diacritical marks.

            I'm ready surprise that your computer friends did not know about this.

            By the way my name in German is Grönning.





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          • Ron Matviyak
            Frank you are correct for modern German. Despite not knowing Mr.Grening or his background I will speculate that his family comes from Slovakia and Grening is
            Message 5 of 28 , Jun 21, 2008
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              Frank you are correct for modern German. Despite not knowing
              Mr.Grening or his background I will speculate that his family comes
              from Slovakia and Grening is how they chose to spell the name.
              Germans who emigrated to Hungary/Slovakia from the various States of
              Germany spoke different dialects and over time developed their own
              regionalisms and spelling conventions.

              I see it as no stretch of the imagination that Grening and Grönning
              are perfectly compatible variations.

              Ron Matviyak / Matvijak / Matviak / Matfiak
              are various spellings of my own name, all quite legitimate.

              --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Frank R. Plichta"
              <frank.r.plichta@...> wrote:
              >
              > Grönning = Greonning not Grening
              >
              >
              >
              > Frank
              >
              >
              >
              > _____
              >
              > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
              > Behalf Of Gordon Grening
              > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 6:10 AM
              > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [S-R] Diacritics
              >
              >
              >
              > Dear Margo,
              >
              > The answer to your question is to use ALT KEY Codes. For example, if you
              > hold down the ALT key and type 0231 on your key pad you get ç, 0232 = è,
              > 0199 = Ç, 0196 = Ä. etc. I use the codes all the time in Family Tree
              Maker
              > for my German and Slovak names. You must type in the leading zero.
              >
              > To get a list of the codes do a GOGGLE or YAHOO search on "Alt Key
              Codes."
              > You will get a list of many sites. You will have to check each site
              until
              > you find one which gives you all the codes you need. I did this several
              > years ago and found a site which gave me all the codes for 0000 through
              > 0256. Unfortunately I don't remember which site I got the codes
              from. Look
              > for a site which gives the extended code or internation code sets which
              > consists of 4 digits codes. You don't want the old 3 digit code set
              since it
              > does not contain all of the characters which have diacritical marks.
              >
              > I'm ready surprise that your computer friends did not know about this.
              >
              > By the way my name in German is Grönning.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=206571/grpspId=1705040837/msgId=
              > 20312/stime=1214043238/nc1=4836042/nc2=5286667/nc3=5028928>
              >
              >
              >
              >
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              >
            • sunsitter@verizon.net
              Thanks, Bill. I usually use the sequences, and they do get to be tiresome after a while. I used to work for mathematicians and physics professors and had a
              Message 6 of 28 , Jun 21, 2008
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                Thanks, Bill. I usually use the sequences, and they do get to be tiresome after a while. I used to work for mathematicians and physics professors and had a program then that did it for me. This will be easier........Audrey

                Audrey
              • Sue
                Hi Margo, Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help. International Accent Marks and Diacriticals http://www.starr.net/is/type/altnum.htm
                Message 7 of 28 , Jun 21, 2008
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                  Hi Margo,

                  Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help.

                  International Accent Marks and Diacriticals
                  http://www.starr.net/is/type/altnum.htm

                  Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes
                  (http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/international/accents/codealt.html
                  )

                  Sue
                  Don't be afraid, cemetery ghosts are only genealogists with lanterns.
                  Ancestor Hunters Genealogy Group
                  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancestorhunters/



                  --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Margo Smith <margolane61@...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can point
                  me in the right direction.
                  >  
                  > I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great
                  difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people and places. 
                  Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they do not
                  support Slovak diacritics.  I discovered that it is possible to cut
                  and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into Family Tree
                  Maker.  However, c with caron seems impossible.  I asked about this
                  at the CSI conference in Madison last October.  and I also asked my
                  computer wizard friends.  None of them have been able to do this
                  either.
                  >  
                  > My husband believes that one should be able to make a macro
                  consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know how to do it.
                  (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c with caron,
                  which is what I tried to do.)
                  >  
                  > Have any of you been able to solve this problem?  Thank you for any
                  insight you might have on this problem.
                  >  
                  > Margo
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  >
                • Margo Smith
                  The c with caron in Family Tree Maker remains elusive after following Bill s suggestion.   Bill, FTM accepts some of the Slovak characters but not the c with
                  Message 8 of 28 , Jun 22, 2008
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                    The c with caron in Family Tree Maker remains elusive after following Bill's suggestion.
                     
                    Bill, FTM accepts some of the Slovak characters but not the c with caron.  Your foreign language character guidelines at iabsi gives the example of c with the little v is produced by typing the number key 4.  When I do that, I get e with accent grave.  Using your upper case example I get AE.
                     
                    All of the Slovak characters work correctly in Microsoft Word.
                     
                    This is a particularly vexing problem for me because my husband's roots are deep in Turciansky Dur and Turciansky Michal.  So I use that c with caron a lot.
                     
                    Next stop are Gordon's alt key codes and Sue's links.  Thanks for your guidance.
                     
                    Margo

                    --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Sue <sueseyes@...> wrote:

                    From: Sue <sueseyes@...>
                    Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 10:24 AM






                    Hi Margo,

                    Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help.

                    International Accent Marks and Diacriticals
                    http://www.starr. net/is/type/ altnum.htm

                    Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes
                    (http://tlt.its. psu.edu/suggesti ons/internationa l/accents/ codealt.html
                    )

                    Sue
                    Don't be afraid, cemetery ghosts are only genealogists with lanterns.
                    Ancestor Hunters Genealogy Group
                    http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancestorhu nters/

                    --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Margo Smith <margolane61@ ...>
                    wrote:
                    >
                    > Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can point
                    me in the right direction.
                    >  
                    > I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great
                    difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people and places. 
                    Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they do not
                    support Slovak diacritics.  I discovered that it is possible to cut
                    and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into Family Tree
                    Maker.  However, c with caron seems impossible.  I asked about this
                    at the CSI conference in Madison last October.  and I also asked my
                    computer wizard friends.  None of them have been able to do this
                    either.
                    >  
                    > My husband believes that one should be able to make a macro
                    consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know how to do it.
                    (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c with caron,
                    which is what I tried to do.)
                    >  
                    > Have any of you been able to solve this problem?  Thank you for any
                    insight you might have on this problem.
                    >  
                    > Margo
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >


















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                  • jpdfo1982
                    Based on the number of posts, I m guessing that the website you mention is limited to Western European and American ASCII, in which case you ll find that a lot
                    Message 9 of 28 , Jun 22, 2008
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                      Based on the number of posts, I'm guessing that the website you
                      mention is limited to Western European and American ASCII, in which
                      case you'll find that a lot of Slovak's (and Hungarian's and Czech's
                      at that too) diacritics are missing. ASCII only permits these Slovak
                      diacritics (alt codes to the respective symbols in brackets):

                      áäéíóôšúýž (0225, 0228, 0233, 0237, 0243, 0244, 0154, 0250, 0253, 0158)
                      ÁÄÉÍÓԊÚݎ (0193, 0196, 0201, 0205, 0211, 0212, 0138, 0218, 0221, 0142)

                      Unfortunately, this means, that all the others are missing, if this
                      website is based on a similar concept as my genealogy programme.

                      JP
                    • Bill Tarkulich
                      Hello Margo, What does the publisher of FTM have to say about all of this? I presume you paid good money for this program. You at least deserve their help.
                      Message 10 of 28 , Jun 23, 2008
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                        Hello Margo,
                        What does the publisher of FTM have to say about all of this? I presume you
                        paid good money for this program. You at least deserve their help. Foreign
                        characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program.
                        Bill

                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                        Behalf Of Margo Smith
                        Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:42 AM
                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Diacritics

                        The c with caron in Family Tree Maker remains elusive after following Bill's
                        suggestion.
                         
                        Bill, FTM accepts some of the Slovak characters but not the c with caron. 
                        Your foreign language character guidelines at iabsi gives the example of c
                        with the little v is produced by typing the number key 4.  When I do that, I
                        get e with accent grave.  Using your upper case example I get AE.
                         
                        All of the Slovak characters work correctly in Microsoft Word.
                         
                        This is a particularly vexing problem for me because my husband's roots are
                        deep in Turciansky Dur and Turciansky Michal.  So I use that c with caron a
                        lot.
                         
                        Next stop are Gordon's alt key codes and Sue's links.  Thanks for your
                        guidance.
                         
                        Margo

                        --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Sue <sueseyes@...> wrote:

                        From: Sue <sueseyes@...>
                        Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 10:24 AM






                        Hi Margo,

                        Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help.

                        International Accent Marks and Diacriticals
                        http://www.starr. net/is/type/ altnum.htm

                        Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes
                        (http://tlt.its. psu.edu/suggesti ons/internationa l/accents/ codealt.html
                        )

                        Sue
                        Don't be afraid, cemetery ghosts are only genealogists with lanterns.
                        Ancestor Hunters Genealogy Group
                        http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancestorhu nters/

                        --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Margo Smith <margolane61@ ...>
                        wrote:
                        >
                        > Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can point
                        me in the right direction.
                        >  
                        > I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great
                        difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people and places. 
                        Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they do not
                        support Slovak diacritics.  I discovered that it is possible to cut
                        and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into Family Tree
                        Maker.  However, c with caron seems impossible.  I asked about this
                        at the CSI conference in Madison last October.  and I also asked my
                        computer wizard friends.  None of them have been able to do this
                        either.
                        >  
                        > My husband believes that one should be able to make a macro
                        consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know how to do it.
                        (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c with caron,
                        which is what I tried to do.)
                        >  
                        > Have any of you been able to solve this problem?  Thank you for any
                        insight you might have on this problem.
                        >  
                        > Margo
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
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                      • Gordon Grening
                        JP is correct. All the Alt Key charts I have found so far only define values for 0000 - 0256. And the c with a caron is not included. Strange they would
                        Message 11 of 28 , Jun 23, 2008
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                          JP is correct. All the Alt Key charts I have found so far only define values for 0000 - 0256. And the 'c' with a caron is not included. Strange they would include the S and Z but not the A and C and other letters.

                          Also the word caron is not defined in the English dictionary. Wikipedia has a very good article on the murky history of the caron.

                          Looks like the best bet is the Unicode system which defines over a 1,000,000 different characters include symbols for Chinese's, Korean, Japanese, Arabic and some languages I never heard of. Again I refer you to Wikipedia for more information. The problem with Unicode is that the codes are in hexadecimal. You can convert the hexadecimal values to decimal and try them using the ALT key but I not sure if that will work in all software packages.

                          Then there is the matter of which code page your computer is set up to use. I believe most if not all American computers running Windows use code page 437. So even if we find an ALT code for the caron A, C, E, etc. it may not work because of the code page in use.

                          Will keep searching and let you know what I find.

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: jpdfo1982
                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:33 PM
                          Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics


                          Based on the number of posts, I'm guessing that the website you
                          mention is limited to Western European and American ASCII, in which
                          case you'll find that a lot of Slovak's (and Hungarian's and Czech's
                          at that too) diacritics are missing. ASCII only permits these Slovak
                          diacritics (alt codes to the respective symbols in brackets):

                          áäéíóôsúýz (0225, 0228, 0233, 0237, 0243, 0244, 0154, 0250, 0253, 0158)
                          ÁÄÉÍÓÔSÚÝZ (0193, 0196, 0201, 0205, 0211, 0212, 0138, 0218, 0221, 0142)

                          Unfortunately, this means, that all the others are missing, if this
                          website is based on a similar concept as my genealogy programme.

                          JP





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                        • Ben Sorensen
                          Hi, the caron is called a hacek in Czech (caron over the c ), and a makcen (with an umlaut over the a ) in Slovak. This may help you find something on Slovak
                          Message 12 of 28 , Jun 23, 2008
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                            Hi, the caron is called a hacek in Czech (caron over the "c"), and a makcen (with an umlaut over the "a") in Slovak. This may help you find something on Slovak and Czech pages. The computers I use have the keyboards and languages set to "flip" in the lower left corner... and I am trying to set up the new computer with this. I forgot about it until this discussion arose. :-D
                            Ben

                            --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Gordon Grening <gordongrening@...> wrote:

                            From: Gordon Grening <gordongrening@...>
                            Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:12 PM






                            JP is correct. All the Alt Key charts I have found so far only define values for 0000 - 0256. And the 'c' with a caron is not included. Strange they would include the S and Z but not the A and C and other letters.

                            Also the word caron is not defined in the English dictionary. Wikipedia has a very good article on the murky history of the caron.

                            Looks like the best bet is the Unicode system which defines over a 1,000,000 different characters include symbols for Chinese's, Korean, Japanese, Arabic and some languages I never heard of. Again I refer you to Wikipedia for more information. The problem with Unicode is that the codes are in hexadecimal. You can convert the hexadecimal values to decimal and try them using the ALT key but I not sure if that will work in all software packages.

                            Then there is the matter of which code page your computer is set up to use. I believe most if not all American computers running Windows use code page 437. So even if we find an ALT code for the caron A, C, E, etc. it may not work because of the code page in use.

                            Will keep searching and let you know what I find.

                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: jpdfo1982
                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                            Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:33 PM
                            Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics

                            Based on the number of posts, I'm guessing that the website you
                            mention is limited to Western European and American ASCII, in which
                            case you'll find that a lot of Slovak's (and Hungarian's and Czech's
                            at that too) diacritics are missing. ASCII only permits these Slovak
                            diacritics (alt codes to the respective symbols in brackets):

                            áäéíóôsúýz (0225, 0228, 0233, 0237, 0243, 0244, 0154, 0250, 0253, 0158)
                            ÁÄÉÍÓÔSÚÝZ (0193, 0196, 0201, 0205, 0211, 0212, 0138, 0218, 0221, 0142)

                            Unfortunately, this means, that all the others are missing, if this
                            website is based on a similar concept as my genealogy programme.

                            JP

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                          • Curt Bochanyin
                            Unfortunately there are only a couple of genealogy programs, and FTM is not among them, that support the full Unicode character set. This is really a problem,
                            Message 13 of 28 , Jun 23, 2008
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                              Unfortunately there are only a couple of genealogy programs, and FTM
                              is not among them, that support the full Unicode character set. This
                              is really a problem, since you cannot enter names accurately, or even
                              include notes from sources using other character sets. Even when you
                              can find ways to force it, the program cannot then export the data in
                              standard formats. FTM says they know this is a problem but have no
                              plan to upgrade the program to accept full Unicode characters, just
                              too much work to satisfy to few customers. I think the only way to
                              get genealogy programs to make this change is to keep bugging them
                              about it.

                              Curt B.

                              --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich"
                              <bill.tarkulich@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Hello Margo,
                              > What does the publisher of FTM have to say about all of this? I
                              presume you
                              > paid good money for this program. You at least deserve their help.
                              Foreign
                              > characters should be an essential component of any genealogy
                              program.
                              > Bill
                              >
                              > -----Original Message-----
                              > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-
                              ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                              > Behalf Of Margo Smith
                              > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:42 AM
                              > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              > Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                              >
                              > The c with caron in Family Tree Maker remains elusive after
                              following Bill's
                              > suggestion.
                              >  
                              > Bill, FTM accepts some of the Slovak characters but not the c with
                              caron. 
                              > Your foreign language character guidelines at iabsi gives the
                              example of c
                              > with the little v is produced by typing the number key 4.  When I
                              do that, I
                              > get e with accent grave.  Using your upper case example I get AE.
                              >  
                              > All of the Slovak characters work correctly in Microsoft Word.
                              >  
                              > This is a particularly vexing problem for me because my husband's
                              roots are
                              > deep in Turciansky Dur and Turciansky Michal.  So I use that c with
                              caron a
                              > lot.
                              >  
                              > Next stop are Gordon's alt key codes and Sue's links.  Thanks for
                              your
                              > guidance.
                              >  
                              > Margo
                              >
                              > --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Sue <sueseyes@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > From: Sue <sueseyes@...>
                              > Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                              > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              > Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 10:24 AM
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Hi Margo,
                              >
                              > Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help.
                              >
                              > International Accent Marks and Diacriticals
                              > http://www.starr. net/is/type/ altnum.htm
                              >
                              > Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes
                              > (http://tlt.its. psu.edu/suggesti ons/internationa l/accents/
                              codealt.html
                              > )
                              >
                              > Sue
                              > Don't be afraid, cemetery ghosts are only genealogists with
                              lanterns.
                              > Ancestor Hunters Genealogy Group
                              > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancestorhu nters/
                              >
                              > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Margo Smith
                              <margolane61@ ...>
                              > wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can
                              point
                              > me in the right direction.
                              > >  
                              > > I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great
                              > difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people and
                              places. 
                              > Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they do not
                              > support Slovak diacritics.  I discovered that it is possible to cut
                              > and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into Family Tree
                              > Maker.  However, c with caron seems impossible.  I asked about this
                              > at the CSI conference in Madison last October.  and I also asked my
                              > computer wizard friends.  None of them have been able to do this
                              > either.
                              > >  
                              > > My husband believes that one should be able to make a macro
                              > consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know how to do
                              it.
                              > (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c with caron,
                              > which is what I tried to do.)
                              > >  
                              > > Have any of you been able to solve this problem?  Thank you for
                              any
                              > insight you might have on this problem.
                              > >  
                              > > Margo
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              > >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              >
                              >
                              > ------------------------------------
                              >
                              > To visit your group on the web, go to:
                              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS/
                              >
                              > To unsubscribe from this group, go to
                              > http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS -or- send blank
                              email to
                              > SLOVAK-ROOTS-unsubscribe@...! Groups Links
                              >
                            • Curt Bochanyin
                              I spoke to a senior tech officer of FTM today. They have no immediate plans to implement the full Unicode character set at this moment. The only way to get
                              Message 14 of 28 , Jun 23, 2008
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                                I spoke to a senior tech officer of FTM today. They have no
                                immediate plans to implement the full Unicode character set at this
                                moment. The only way to get them to do it is to use their feedback
                                channel in their help page, and send them a note to please make FTM
                                fully Unicode compliant. In the meantime, there is really no way to
                                get most foreign characters entered into their fields or even their
                                notes sections.

                                Curt B.

                                --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Tarkulich"
                                <bill.tarkulich@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Hello Margo,
                                > What does the publisher of FTM have to say about all of this? I
                                presume you
                                > paid good money for this program. You at least deserve their help.
                                Foreign
                                > characters should be an essential component of any genealogy
                                program.
                                > Bill
                                >
                                > -----Original Message-----
                                > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-
                                ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
                                > Behalf Of Margo Smith
                                > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:42 AM
                                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                > Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                >
                                > The c with caron in Family Tree Maker remains elusive after
                                following Bill's
                                > suggestion.
                                >  
                                > Bill, FTM accepts some of the Slovak characters but not the c with
                                caron. 
                                > Your foreign language character guidelines at iabsi gives the
                                example of c
                                > with the little v is produced by typing the number key 4.  When I
                                do that, I
                                > get e with accent grave.  Using your upper case example I get AE.
                                >  
                                > All of the Slovak characters work correctly in Microsoft Word.
                                >  
                                > This is a particularly vexing problem for me because my husband's
                                roots are
                                > deep in Turciansky Dur and Turciansky Michal.  So I use that c with
                                caron a
                                > lot.
                                >  
                                > Next stop are Gordon's alt key codes and Sue's links.  Thanks for
                                your
                                > guidance.
                                >  
                                > Margo
                                >
                                > --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Sue <sueseyes@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > From: Sue <sueseyes@...>
                                > Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                > Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 10:24 AM
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Hi Margo,
                                >
                                > Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help.
                                >
                                > International Accent Marks and Diacriticals
                                > http://www.starr. net/is/type/ altnum.htm
                                >
                                > Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes
                                > (http://tlt.its. psu.edu/suggesti ons/internationa l/accents/
                                codealt.html
                                > )
                                >
                                > Sue
                                > Don't be afraid, cemetery ghosts are only genealogists with
                                lanterns.
                                > Ancestor Hunters Genealogy Group
                                > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancestorhu nters/
                                >
                                > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Margo Smith
                                <margolane61@ ...>
                                > wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can
                                point
                                > me in the right direction.
                                > >  
                                > > I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great
                                > difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people and
                                places. 
                                > Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they do not
                                > support Slovak diacritics.  I discovered that it is possible to cut
                                > and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into Family Tree
                                > Maker.  However, c with caron seems impossible.  I asked about this
                                > at the CSI conference in Madison last October.  and I also asked my
                                > computer wizard friends.  None of them have been able to do this
                                > either.
                                > >  
                                > > My husband believes that one should be able to make a macro
                                > consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know how to do
                                it.
                                > (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c with caron,
                                > which is what I tried to do.)
                                > >  
                                > > Have any of you been able to solve this problem?  Thank you for
                                any
                                > insight you might have on this problem.
                                > >  
                                > > Margo
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                > >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                >
                                >
                                > ------------------------------------
                                >
                                > To visit your group on the web, go to:
                                > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS/
                                >
                                > To unsubscribe from this group, go to
                                > http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS -or- send blank
                                email to
                                > SLOVAK-ROOTS-unsubscribe@...! Groups Links
                                >
                              • Paw1776
                                I am using Family Tree Maker 2008 and have no trouble using Slovak diacritical marks. I have downloaded the Slovak keyboard from Microsoft and use that rather
                                Message 15 of 28 , Jun 23, 2008
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                                  I am using Family Tree Maker 2008 and have no trouble using Slovak diacritical marks. I have downloaded the Slovak keyboard from Microsoft and use that rather than the codes. Perhaps that could be the difference or maybe you need to upgrade FTM to the newest version. Hope this helps.

                                  Polly Walker


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                                • Margo Smith
                                  Dobre den, Everyone   I apologize for the delay in my reply.  I was tending to my vegetable garden, a good Slovak activity, and visiting a Slovak friend in
                                  Message 16 of 28 , Jun 24, 2008
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                                    Dobre den, Everyone
                                     
                                    I apologize for the delay in my reply.  I was tending to my vegetable garden, a good Slovak activity, and visiting a Slovak friend in the hospital.  And I thank you for your helpful replies.
                                     
                                    Yes, Bill, I contacted FTM twice about this.  They told me that they only support the Western European character set.  I agree that all the "foreign characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program."  After all, most of us are descendants of immigrants, and not all from English speaking places.
                                     
                                    Yes, Polly, ultimately I will upgrade my FTM, after I personally check that all the Slovak diacritics I need work.  I'll probably leap to a major upgrade of hardware, XP to Vista, FTM and other software, etc. at the same time.
                                     
                                    In the meantime, my system is not very efficient, but it works.
                                     
                                    Margo
                                     

                                    --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@...> wrote:

                                    From: Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@...>
                                    Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 4:27 AM






                                    Hello Margo,
                                    What does the publisher of FTM have to say about all of this? I presume you
                                    paid good money for this program. You at least deserve their help. Foreign
                                    characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program.
                                    Bill

                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com] On
                                    Behalf Of Margo Smith
                                    Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:42 AM
                                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                    Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Diacritics

                                    The c with caron in Family Tree Maker remains elusive after following Bill's
                                    suggestion.
                                     
                                    Bill, FTM accepts some of the Slovak characters but not the c with caron. 
                                    Your foreign language character guidelines  at iabsi gives the example of c
                                    with the little v is produced by typing the number key 4.  When I do that, I
                                    get e with accent grave.  Using your upper case example I get AE.
                                     
                                    All of the Slovak characters work correctly in Microsoft Word.
                                     
                                    This is a particularly  vexing problem for me because my husband's roots are
                                    deep in Turciansky Dur and Turciansky Michal.  So I use that c with caron a
                                    lot.
                                     
                                    Next stop are Gordon's alt key codes and Sue's links.  Thanks for your
                                    guidance.
                                     
                                    Margo

                                    --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal. net> wrote:

                                    From: Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal. net>
                                    Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                    Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 10:24 AM

                                    Hi Margo,

                                    Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help.

                                    International Accent Marks and Diacriticals
                                    http://www.starr. net/is/type/ altnum.htm

                                    Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes
                                    (http://tlt.its. psu.edu/suggesti ons/internationa l/accents/ codealt.html
                                    )

                                    Sue
                                    Don't be afraid, cemetery ghosts are only genealogists with lanterns.
                                    Ancestor Hunters Genealogy Group
                                    http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancestorhu nters/

                                    --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Margo Smith <margolane61@ ...>
                                    wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can point
                                    me in the right direction.
                                    >  
                                    > I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great
                                    difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people and places. 
                                    Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they do not
                                    support Slovak diacritics.  I discovered that it is possible to cut
                                    and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into Family Tree
                                    Maker.  However, c with caron seems impossible.  I asked about this
                                    at the CSI conference in Madison last October.  and I also asked my
                                    computer wizard friends.  None of them have been able to do this
                                    either.
                                    >  
                                    > My husband believes that one should be able to make a macro
                                    consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know how to do it.
                                    (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c with caron,
                                    which is what I tried to do.)
                                    >  
                                    > Have any of you been able to solve this problem?  Thank you for any
                                    insight you might have on this problem.
                                    >  
                                    > Margo
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                    >

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                                  • Ben Sorensen
                                    Dobry den Margo and everyone, How much does that program cost and what are its perks?  I am scratching my head over the fact that it will not take foreign
                                    Message 17 of 28 , Jun 24, 2008
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                                      Dobry den Margo and everyone,
                                      How much does that program cost and what are its perks?  I am scratching my head over the fact that it will not take "foreign" characters- But then does yahoo in plaintext? I was thinking of giving it a try- as I use a different regional setting for English, Slovak, Czech, and German. (I learned to type on both qwerty and qwertz keyboards, and some special characters take a touch of hunting for-especially in German.)
                                      So consider this a test. I am going to send us special charachters and let me know if you guys can see them! If not, just erase this from your email, but we will see if this will make name-writig on this forum more "interesting." :-)
                                      TEST:
                                      Slovak ľščťžýôňäúáíŤČŠŽžĽ
                                      Czech +ěščřýáíéúůĚŤČŠŇŘ
                                      German öäüßöäüß

                                      Like I said, I have turned off the formatting on my yahoo, and this looked just fine on my end. Let's see what happens when it gets put into the wash!
                                      Benisko
                                      --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Margo Smith <margolane61@...> wrote:

                                      From: Margo Smith <margolane61@...>
                                      Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 9:59 PM







                                      Dobre den, Everyone
                                       
                                      I apologize for the delay in my reply.  I was tending to my vegetable garden, a good Slovak activity, and visiting a Slovak friend in the hospital.  And I thank you for your helpful replies.
                                       
                                      Yes, Bill, I contacted FTM twice about this.  They told me that they only support the Western European character set.  I agree that all the "foreign characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program."  After all, most of us are descendants of immigrants, and not all from English speaking places.
                                       
                                      Yes, Polly, ultimately I will upgrade my FTM, after I personally check that all the Slovak diacritics I need work.  I'll probably leap to a major upgrade of hardware, XP to Vista, FTM and other software, etc. at the same time.
                                       
                                      In the meantime, my system is not very efficient, but it works.
                                       
                                      Margo
                                       

                                      --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com> wrote:

                                      From: Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com>
                                      Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                      Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 4:27 AM

                                      Hello Margo,
                                      What does the publisher of FTM have to say about all of this? I presume you
                                      paid good money for this program. You at least deserve their help. Foreign
                                      characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program.
                                      Bill

                                      -----Original Message-----
                                      From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK- ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com] On
                                      Behalf Of Margo Smith
                                      Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:42 AM
                                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                      Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Diacritics

                                      The c with caron in Family Tree Maker remains elusive after following Bill's
                                      suggestion.
                                       
                                      Bill, FTM accepts some of the Slovak characters but not the c with caron. 
                                      Your foreign language character guidelines  at iabsi gives the example of c
                                      with the little v is produced by typing the number key 4.  When I do that, I
                                      get e with accent grave.  Using your upper case example I get AE.
                                       
                                      All of the Slovak characters work correctly in Microsoft Word.
                                       
                                      This is a particularly  vexing problem for me because my husband's roots are
                                      deep in Turciansky Dur and Turciansky Michal.  So I use that c with caron a
                                      lot.
                                       
                                      Next stop are Gordon's alt key codes and Sue's links.  Thanks for your
                                      guidance.
                                       
                                      Margo

                                      --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net> wrote:

                                      From: Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net>
                                      Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                      Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 10:24 AM

                                      Hi Margo,

                                      Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help.

                                      International Accent Marks and Diacriticals
                                      http://www.starr. net/is/type/ altnum.htm

                                      Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes
                                      (http://tlt.its. psu.edu/suggesti ons/internationa l/accents/ codealt.html
                                      )

                                      Sue
                                      Don't be afraid, cemetery ghosts are only genealogists with lanterns.
                                      Ancestor Hunters Genealogy Group
                                      http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancestorhu nters/

                                      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Margo Smith <margolane61@ ...>
                                      wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can point
                                      me in the right direction.
                                      >  
                                      > I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great
                                      difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people and places. 
                                      Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they do not
                                      support Slovak diacritics.  I discovered that it is possible to cut
                                      and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into Family Tree
                                      Maker.  However, c with caron seems impossible.  I asked about this
                                      at the CSI conference in Madison last October.  and I also asked my
                                      computer wizard friends.  None of them have been able to do this
                                      either.
                                      >  
                                      > My husband believes that one should be able to make a macro
                                      consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know how to do it.
                                      (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c with caron,
                                      which is what I tried to do.)
                                      >  
                                      > Have any of you been able to solve this problem?  Thank you for any
                                      insight you might have on this problem.
                                      >  
                                      > Margo
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                      >

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                                    • Ben Sorensen
                                      Looks GREAT on my end- what do you all see? Benisko (since I am being bad. ) ... From: Ben Sorensen Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                      Message 18 of 28 , Jun 24, 2008
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                                        Looks GREAT on my end- what do you all see?
                                        Benisko (since I am being "bad.")

                                        --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...> wrote:

                                        From: Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...>
                                        Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                        Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 10:51 PM






                                        Dobry den Margo and everyone,
                                        How much does that program cost and what are its perks?� I am scratching my head over the fact that it will not take "foreign" characters- But then does yahoo in plaintext? I was thinking of giving it a try- as I use a different regional setting for English, Slovak, Czech, and German. (I learned to type on both qwerty and qwertz keyboards, and some special characters take a touch of hunting for-especially in German.)
                                        So consider this a test. I am going to send us special charachters and let me know if you guys can see them! If not, just erase this from your email, but we will see if this will make name-writig on this forum more "interesting. " :-)
                                        TEST:
                                        Slovak ������������������
                                        Czech +����������������
                                        German ��������

                                        Like I said, I have turned off the formatting on my yahoo, and this looked just fine on my end. Let's see what happens when it gets put into the wash!
                                        Benisko
                                        --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Margo Smith <margolane61@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                                        From: Margo Smith <margolane61@ yahoo.com>
                                        Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                        Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 9:59 PM

                                        Dobre den, Everyone

                                        I apologize for the delay in my reply.� I was tending to my vegetable garden, a good Slovak activity, and visiting a Slovak friend in the hospital.� And I thank you for your helpful replies.

                                        Yes, Bill, I contacted FTM twice about this.� They told me that they only support the Western European character set.� I agree that all the "foreign characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program."� After all, most of us are descendants of immigrants, and not all from English speaking places.

                                        Yes, Polly, ultimately I will upgrade my FTM, after I personally check that all the Slovak diacritics I need work.� I'll probably leap to a major upgrade of hardware, XP to Vista, FTM and other software, etc. at the same time.

                                        In the meantime, my system is not very efficient, but it works.

                                        Margo


                                        --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com> wrote:

                                        From: Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com>
                                        Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                        Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 4:27 AM

                                        Hello Margo,
                                        What does the publisher of FTM have to say about all of this? I presume you
                                        paid good money for this program. You at least deserve their help. Foreign
                                        characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program.
                                        Bill

                                        -----Original Message-----
                                        From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK- ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com] On
                                        Behalf Of Margo Smith
                                        Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:42 AM
                                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                        Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Diacritics

                                        The c with caron in Family Tree Maker�remains elusive after following Bill's
                                        suggestion.

                                        Bill, FTM accepts some of the Slovak characters but not the c with caron.�
                                        Your foreign language character�guidelines� at iabsi gives the example of c
                                        with the little v is produced by typing the number key 4.� When I do that, I
                                        get e with accent grave.� Using your upper case example I get AE.

                                        All of the Slovak characters work correctly in Microsoft Word.

                                        This is a�particularly� vexing problem�for me because my husband's roots are
                                        deep�in Turciansky Dur and Turciansky Michal.� So I use that c with caron a
                                        lot.

                                        Next stop are Gordon's alt key codes and Sue's links.� Thanks for your
                                        guidance.

                                        Margo

                                        --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net> wrote:

                                        From: Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net>
                                        Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                        Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 10:24 AM

                                        Hi Margo,

                                        Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help.

                                        International Accent Marks and Diacriticals
                                        http://www.starr. net/is/type/ altnum.htm

                                        Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes
                                        (http://tlt.its. psu.edu/suggesti ons/internationa l/accents/ codealt.html
                                        )

                                        Sue
                                        Don't be afraid, cemetery ghosts are only genealogists with lanterns.
                                        Ancestor Hunters Genealogy Group
                                        http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancestorhu nters/

                                        --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Margo Smith <margolane61@ ...>
                                        wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can point
                                        me in the right direction.
                                        > �
                                        > I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great
                                        difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people and places.�
                                        Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they do not
                                        support Slovak diacritics.� I discovered that it is possible to cut
                                        and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into Family Tree
                                        Maker.� However, c with caron seems impossible.� I asked about this
                                        at the CSI conference in Madison last October.� and I also asked my
                                        computer wizard friends.� None of them have been able to do this
                                        either.
                                        > �
                                        > My husband believes that one should be able to make a macro
                                        consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know how to do it.
                                        (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c with caron,
                                        which is what I tried to do.)
                                        > �
                                        > Have any of you been able to solve this problem?� Thank you for any
                                        insight you might have on this problem.
                                        > �
                                        > Margo
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
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                                        >

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                                      • Ben Sorensen
                                        And this time when it recycled through the system, the charachters shifted and no longer legible. Anyone know why this is? Ben
                                        Message 19 of 28 , Jun 24, 2008
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                                          And this time when it recycled through the system, the charachters "shifted" and no longer legible.
                                          Anyone know why this is?
                                          Ben


                                          --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...> wrote:

                                          > From: Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...>
                                          > Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                          > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 10:52 PM
                                          > Looks GREAT on my end- what do you all see?
                                          > Benisko (since I am being "bad.")
                                          >
                                          > --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Ben Sorensen
                                          > <cerrunos1@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > From: Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...>
                                          > Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                          > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 10:51 PM
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Dobry den Margo and everyone,
                                          > How much does that program cost and what are its perks?  I
                                          > am scratching my head over the fact that it will not take
                                          > "foreign" characters- But then does yahoo in
                                          > plaintext? I was thinking of giving it a try- as I use a
                                          > different regional setting for English, Slovak, Czech, and
                                          > German. (I learned to type on both qwerty and qwertz
                                          > keyboards, and some special characters take a touch of
                                          > hunting for-especially in German.)
                                          > So consider this a test. I am going to send us special
                                          > charachters and let me know if you guys can see them! If
                                          > not, just erase this from your email, but we will see if
                                          > this will make name-writig on this forum more
                                          > "interesting. " :-)
                                          > TEST:
                                          > Slovak µ¹è»¾ýôòäúáí«È©®¾¥
                                          > Czech +ì¹èøýáíéúùÌ«È©ÒØ
                                          > German öäüßöäüß
                                          >
                                          > Like I said, I have turned off the formatting on my yahoo,
                                          > and this looked just fine on my end. Let's see what
                                          > happens when it gets put into the wash!
                                          > Benisko
                                          > --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Margo Smith <margolane61@
                                          > yahoo.com> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > From: Margo Smith <margolane61@ yahoo.com>
                                          > Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                          > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                          > Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 9:59 PM
                                          >
                                          > Dobre den, Everyone
                                          >  
                                          > I apologize for the delay in my reply.  I was tending to
                                          > my vegetable garden, a good Slovak activity, and visiting a
                                          > Slovak friend in the hospital.  And I thank you for your
                                          > helpful replies.
                                          >  
                                          > Yes, Bill, I contacted FTM twice about this.  They told me
                                          > that they only support the Western European character set. 
                                          > I agree that all the "foreign characters should be an
                                          > essential component of any genealogy program."  After
                                          > all, most of us are descendants of immigrants, and not all
                                          > from English speaking places.
                                          >  
                                          > Yes, Polly, ultimately I will upgrade my FTM, after I
                                          > personally check that all the Slovak diacritics I need
                                          > work.  I'll probably leap to a major upgrade of
                                          > hardware, XP to Vista, FTM and other software, etc. at the
                                          > same time.
                                          >  
                                          > In the meantime, my system is not very efficient, but it
                                          > works.
                                          >  
                                          > Margo
                                          >  
                                          >
                                          > --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@
                                          > iabsi.com> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > From: Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com>
                                          > Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                          > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                          > Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 4:27 AM
                                          >
                                          > Hello Margo,
                                          > What does the publisher of FTM have to say about all of
                                          > this? I presume you
                                          > paid good money for this program. You at least deserve
                                          > their help. Foreign
                                          > characters should be an essential component of any
                                          > genealogy program.
                                          > Bill
                                          >
                                          > -----Original Message-----
                                          > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK- ROOTS@
                                          > yahoogroups. com] On
                                          > Behalf Of Margo Smith
                                          > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:42 AM
                                          > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                          > Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                          >
                                          > The c with caron in Family Tree Maker remains elusive
                                          > after following Bill's
                                          > suggestion.
                                          >  
                                          > Bill, FTM accepts some of the Slovak characters but not the
                                          > c with caron. 
                                          > Your foreign language character guidelines  at iabsi
                                          > gives the example of c
                                          > with the little v is produced by typing the number key 4. 
                                          > When I do that, I
                                          > get e with accent grave.  Using your upper case example I
                                          > get AE.
                                          >  
                                          > All of the Slovak characters work correctly in Microsoft
                                          > Word.
                                          >  
                                          > This is a particularly  vexing problem for me because my
                                          > husband's roots are
                                          > deep in Turciansky Dur and Turciansky Michal.  So I use
                                          > that c with caron a
                                          > lot.
                                          >  
                                          > Next stop are Gordon's alt key codes and Sue's
                                          > links.  Thanks for your
                                          > guidance.
                                          >  
                                          > Margo
                                          >
                                          > --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net>
                                          > wrote:
                                          >
                                          > From: Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net>
                                          > Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                          > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                          > Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 10:24 AM
                                          >
                                          > Hi Margo,
                                          >
                                          > Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help.
                                          >
                                          > International Accent Marks and Diacriticals
                                          > http://www.starr. net/is/type/ altnum.htm
                                          >
                                          > Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes
                                          > (http://tlt.its. psu.edu/suggesti ons/internationa
                                          > l/accents/ codealt.html
                                          > )
                                          >
                                          > Sue
                                          > Don't be afraid, cemetery ghosts are only genealogists
                                          > with lanterns.
                                          > Ancestor Hunters Genealogy Group
                                          > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancestorhu nters/
                                          >
                                          > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Margo Smith
                                          > <margolane61@ ...>
                                          > wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone
                                          > who can point
                                          > me in the right direction.
                                          > >  
                                          > > I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had
                                          > great
                                          > difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people
                                          > and places. 
                                          > Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they
                                          > do not
                                          > support Slovak diacritics.  I discovered that it is
                                          > possible to cut
                                          > and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into
                                          > Family Tree
                                          > Maker.  However, c with caron seems impossible.  I asked
                                          > about this
                                          > at the CSI conference in Madison last October.  and I also
                                          > asked my
                                          > computer wizard friends.  None of them have been able to
                                          > do this
                                          > either.
                                          > >  
                                          > > My husband believes that one should be able to make a
                                          > macro
                                          > consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know
                                          > how to do it.
                                          > (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c
                                          > with caron,
                                          > which is what I tried to do.)
                                          > >  
                                          > > Have any of you been able to solve this problem? 
                                          > Thank you for any
                                          > insight you might have on this problem.
                                          > >  
                                          > > Margo
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
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                                          > >
                                          >
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                                        • Andrea Vangor
                                          It looked good to me too. ... From: Ben Sorensen To: Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:52 PM Subject: RE:
                                          Message 20 of 28 , Jun 24, 2008
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                                            It looked good to me too.

                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: "Ben Sorensen" <cerrunos1@...>
                                            To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
                                            Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:52 PM
                                            Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics


                                            Looks GREAT on my end- what do you all see?
                                            Benisko (since I am being "bad.")

                                            --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...> wrote:

                                            From: Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...>
                                            Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                            Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 10:51 PM






                                            Dobry den Margo and everyone,
                                            How much does that program cost and what are its perks? I am scratching my
                                            head over the fact that it will not take "foreign" characters- But then does
                                            yahoo in plaintext? I was thinking of giving it a try- as I use a different
                                            regional setting for English, Slovak, Czech, and German. (I learned to type
                                            on both qwerty and qwertz keyboards, and some special characters take a
                                            touch of hunting for-especially in German.)
                                            So consider this a test. I am going to send us special charachters and let
                                            me know if you guys can see them! If not, just erase this from your email,
                                            but we will see if this will make name-writig on this forum more
                                            "interesting. " :-)
                                            TEST:
                                            Slovak µ¹è»¾ýôòäúáí«È©®¾¥
                                            Czech +ì¹èøýáíéúùÌ«È©ÒØ
                                            German öäüßöäüß

                                            Like I said, I have turned off the formatting on my yahoo, and this looked
                                            just fine on my end. Let's see what happens when it gets put into the wash!
                                            Benisko
                                            --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Margo Smith <margolane61@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                                            From: Margo Smith <margolane61@ yahoo.com>
                                            Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                            Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 9:59 PM

                                            Dobre den, Everyone

                                            I apologize for the delay in my reply. I was tending to my vegetable garden,
                                            a good Slovak activity, and visiting a Slovak friend in the hospital. And I
                                            thank you for your helpful replies.

                                            Yes, Bill, I contacted FTM twice about this. They told me that they only
                                            support the Western European character set. I agree that all the "foreign
                                            characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program." After
                                            all, most of us are descendants of immigrants, and not all from English
                                            speaking places.

                                            Yes, Polly, ultimately I will upgrade my FTM, after I personally check that
                                            all the Slovak diacritics I need work. I'll probably leap to a major upgrade
                                            of hardware, XP to Vista, FTM and other software, etc. at the same time.

                                            In the meantime, my system is not very efficient, but it works.

                                            Margo


                                            --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com> wrote:

                                            From: Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com>
                                            Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                            Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 4:27 AM

                                            Hello Margo,
                                            What does the publisher of FTM have to say about all of this? I presume you
                                            paid good money for this program. You at least deserve their help. Foreign
                                            characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program.
                                            Bill

                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK- ROOTS@ yahoogroups.
                                            com] On
                                            Behalf Of Margo Smith
                                            Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:42 AM
                                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                            Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Diacritics

                                            The c with caron in Family Tree Maker remains elusive after following Bill's
                                            suggestion.

                                            Bill, FTM accepts some of the Slovak characters but not the c with caron.
                                            Your foreign language character guidelines at iabsi gives the example of c
                                            with the little v is produced by typing the number key 4. When I do that, I
                                            get e with accent grave. Using your upper case example I get AE.

                                            All of the Slovak characters work correctly in Microsoft Word.

                                            This is a particularly vexing problem for me because my husband's roots are
                                            deep in Turciansky Dur and Turciansky Michal. So I use that c with caron a
                                            lot.

                                            Next stop are Gordon's alt key codes and Sue's links. Thanks for your
                                            guidance.

                                            Margo

                                            --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net> wrote:

                                            From: Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net>
                                            Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                            Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 10:24 AM

                                            Hi Margo,

                                            Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help.

                                            International Accent Marks and Diacriticals
                                            http://www.starr. net/is/type/ altnum.htm

                                            Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes
                                            (http://tlt.its. psu.edu/suggesti ons/internationa l/accents/ codealt.html
                                            )

                                            Sue
                                            Don't be afraid, cemetery ghosts are only genealogists with lanterns.
                                            Ancestor Hunters Genealogy Group
                                            http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancestorhu nters/

                                            --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Margo Smith <margolane61@ ...>
                                            wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can point
                                            me in the right direction.
                                            >
                                            > I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great
                                            difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people and places.
                                            Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they do not
                                            support Slovak diacritics. I discovered that it is possible to cut
                                            and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into Family Tree
                                            Maker. However, c with caron seems impossible. I asked about this
                                            at the CSI conference in Madison last October. and I also asked my
                                            computer wizard friends. None of them have been able to do this
                                            either.
                                            >
                                            > My husband believes that one should be able to make a macro
                                            consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know how to do it.
                                            (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c with caron,
                                            which is what I tried to do.)
                                            >
                                            > Have any of you been able to solve this problem? Thank you for any
                                            insight you might have on this problem.
                                            >
                                            > Margo
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
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                                            >

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                                          • Alan Antoska
                                            Ben, As you noted, the characters are presented accurately (when I receive them, I use Vista) but may distort in the reply to the email. BTW my genealogy
                                            Message 21 of 28 , Jun 24, 2008
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                                              Ben,
                                              As you noted, the characters are presented accurately (when I receive them, I use Vista) but may distort in the reply to the email.
                                              BTW my genealogy software, Rootsmagic, failed a simple 'cut & paste' of the characters. Rootsmagic has a character map but not the universal one.
                                              Further, Rootsmagic will recognise some characters in the notes but NOT in the surname index which prospective purchasers should check for.


                                              May a kind Providence prosper your efforts.
                                              S pozdravom,
                                              Alan

                                              --- On Wed, 25/6/08, Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...> wrote:

                                              From: Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...>
                                              Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                              Received: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008, 7:51 AM






                                              Dobry den Margo and everyone,
                                              How much does that program cost and what are its perks?  I am scratching my head over the fact that it will not take "foreign" characters- But then does yahoo in plaintext? I was thinking of giving it a try- as I use a different regional setting for English, Slovak, Czech, and German. (I learned to type on both qwerty and qwertz keyboards, and some special characters take a touch of hunting for-especially in German.)
                                              So consider this a test. I am going to send us special charachters and let me know if you guys can see them! If not, just erase this from your email, but we will see if this will make name-writig on this forum more "interesting. " :-)
                                              TEST:
                                              Slovak ľščťžýôňäúáíŤČŠŽžĽ
                                              Czech +ěščřýáíéúůĚŤČŠŇŘ
                                              German öäüßöäüß

                                              Like I said, I have turned off the formatting on my yahoo, and this looked just fine on my end. Let's see what happens when it gets put into the wash!
                                              Benisko
                                              --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Margo Smith <margolane61@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                                              From: Margo Smith <margolane61@ yahoo.com>
                                              Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                              Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 9:59 PM

                                              Dobre den, Everyone
                                               
                                              I apologize for the delay in my reply.  I was tending to my vegetable garden, a good Slovak activity, and visiting a Slovak friend in the hospital.  And I thank you for your helpful replies.
                                               
                                              Yes, Bill, I contacted FTM twice about this.  They told me that they only support the Western European character set.  I agree that all the "foreign characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program."  After all, most of us are descendants of immigrants, and not all from English speaking places.
                                               
                                              Yes, Polly, ultimately I will upgrade my FTM, after I personally check that all the Slovak diacritics I need work.  I'll probably leap to a major upgrade of hardware, XP to Vista, FTM and other software, etc. at the same time.
                                               
                                              In the meantime, my system is not very efficient, but it works.
                                               
                                              Margo
                                               

                                              --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com> wrote:

                                              From: Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com>
                                              Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                              Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 4:27 AM

                                              Hello Margo,
                                              What does the publisher of FTM have to say about all of this? I presume you
                                              paid good money for this program. You at least deserve their help. Foreign
                                              characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program.
                                              Bill

                                              -----Original Message-----
                                              From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK- ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com] On
                                              Behalf Of Margo Smith
                                              Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:42 AM
                                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                              Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Diacritics

                                              The c with caron in Family Tree Maker remains elusive after following Bill's
                                              suggestion.
                                               
                                              Bill, FTM accepts some of the Slovak characters but not the c with caron. 
                                              Your foreign language character guidelines  at iabsi gives the example of c
                                              with the little v is produced by typing the number key 4.  When I do that, I
                                              get e with accent grave.  Using your upper case example I get AE.
                                               
                                              All of the Slovak characters work correctly in Microsoft Word.
                                               
                                              This is a particularly  vexing problem for me because my husband's roots are
                                              deep in Turciansky Dur and Turciansky Michal.  So I use that c with caron a
                                              lot.
                                               
                                              Next stop are Gordon's alt key codes and Sue's links.  Thanks for your
                                              guidance.
                                               
                                              Margo

                                              --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net> wrote:

                                              From: Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net>
                                              Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                              Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 10:24 AM

                                              Hi Margo,

                                              Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help.

                                              International Accent Marks and Diacriticals
                                              http://www.starr. net/is/type/ altnum.htm

                                              Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes
                                              (http://tlt.its. psu.edu/suggesti ons/internationa l/accents/ codealt.html
                                              )

                                              Sue
                                              Don't be afraid, cemetery ghosts are only genealogists with lanterns.
                                              Ancestor Hunters Genealogy Group
                                              http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancestorhu nters/

                                              --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Margo Smith <margolane61@ ...>
                                              wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can point
                                              me in the right direction.
                                              >  
                                              > I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great
                                              difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people and places. 
                                              Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they do not
                                              support Slovak diacritics.  I discovered that it is possible to cut
                                              and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into Family Tree
                                              Maker.  However, c with caron seems impossible.  I asked about this
                                              at the CSI conference in Madison last October.  and I also asked my
                                              computer wizard friends.  None of them have been able to do this
                                              either.
                                              >  
                                              > My husband believes that one should be able to make a macro
                                              consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know how to do it.
                                              (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c with caron,
                                              which is what I tried to do.)
                                              >  
                                              > Have any of you been able to solve this problem?  Thank you for any
                                              insight you might have on this problem.
                                              >  
                                              > Margo
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
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                                              >

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                                            • Lisa Marzonie
                                              I can see all the characters with the diacritical marks, but I have a Mac---I don t know if that makes a difference. Lisa I give you a new commandment: love
                                              Message 22 of 28 , Jun 24, 2008
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                                                I can see all the characters with the diacritical marks, but I have a Mac---I don't know if that makes a difference.
                                                Lisa


                                                "I give you a new commandment: love one another. As my love has been for you, so must your love be for each other." (Jn 13.34)

                                                ________________________________
                                                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                                > From: cerrunos1@...
                                                > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:22:05 -0700
                                                > Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > And this time when it recycled through the system, the charachters "shifted" and no longer legible.
                                                > Anyone know why this is?
                                                > Ben
                                                >
                                                > --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Ben Sorensen
                                                _________________________________________________________________
                                                The i’m Talkathon starts 6/24/08.  For now, give amongst yourselves.
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                                              • Ben Sorensen
                                                Well, thank you guys! This ups the ante for our posts too, as now we can post in plain text and get the characters. I am using Smartdraw, which seems to like
                                                Message 23 of 28 , Jun 24, 2008
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                                                  Well, thank you guys! This ups the "ante" for our posts too, as now we can post in plain text and get the characters.
                                                  I am using Smartdraw, which seems to like these characters. Of course I am using the ß in german surnames as well as umlauts, and haven't tried anything else yet in slovak.
                                                  Would this perhaps work for other programs?
                                                  Ben

                                                  --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Alan Antoska <aantoska@...> wrote:

                                                  From: Alan Antoska <aantoska@...>
                                                  Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:40 AM






                                                  Ben,
                                                  As you noted, the characters are presented accurately (when I receive them, I use Vista) but may distort in the reply to the email.
                                                  BTW my genealogy software, Rootsmagic , failed a simple 'cut & paste' of the characters. Rootsmagic has a character map but not the universal one.
                                                  Further, Rootsmagic will recognise some characters in the notes but NOT in the surname index which prospective purchasers should check for.

                                                  May a kind Providence prosper your efforts.
                                                  S pozdravom,
                                                  Alan

                                                  --- On Wed, 25/6/08, Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                                  From: Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@yahoo. com>
                                                  Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Received: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008, 7:51 AM

                                                  Dobry den Margo and everyone,
                                                  How much does that program cost and what are its perks?  I am scratching my head over the fact that it will not take "foreign" characters- But then does yahoo in plaintext? I was thinking of giving it a try- as I use a different regional setting for English, Slovak, Czech, and German. (I learned to type on both qwerty and qwertz keyboards, and some special characters take a touch of hunting for-especially in German.)
                                                  So consider this a test. I am going to send us special charachters and let me know if you guys can see them! If not, just erase this from your email, but we will see if this will make name-writig on this forum more "interesting. " :-)
                                                  TEST:
                                                  Slovak ľščťžýôňäúáíŤČŠŽžĽ
                                                  Czech +ěščřýáíéúůĚŤČŠŇŘ
                                                  German öäüßöäüß

                                                  Like I said, I have turned off the formatting on my yahoo, and this looked just fine on my end. Let's see what happens when it gets put into the wash!
                                                  Benisko
                                                  --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Margo Smith <margolane61@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                                                  From: Margo Smith <margolane61@ yahoo.com>
                                                  Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 9:59 PM

                                                  Dobre den, Everyone
                                                   
                                                  I apologize for the delay in my reply.  I was tending to my vegetable garden, a good Slovak activity, and visiting a Slovak friend in the hospital.  And I thank you for your helpful replies.
                                                   
                                                  Yes, Bill, I contacted FTM twice about this.  They told me that they only support the Western European character set.  I agree that all the "foreign characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program."  After all, most of us are descendants of immigrants, and not all from English speaking places.
                                                   
                                                  Yes, Polly, ultimately I will upgrade my FTM, after I personally check that all the Slovak diacritics I need work.  I'll probably leap to a major upgrade of hardware, XP to Vista, FTM and other software, etc. at the same time.
                                                   
                                                  In the meantime, my system is not very efficient, but it works.
                                                   
                                                  Margo
                                                   

                                                  --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com> wrote:

                                                  From: Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com>
                                                  Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 4:27 AM

                                                  Hello Margo,
                                                  What does the publisher of FTM have to say about all of this? I presume you
                                                  paid good money for this program. You at least deserve their help. Foreign
                                                  characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program.
                                                  Bill

                                                  -----Original Message-----
                                                  From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK- ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com] On
                                                  Behalf Of Margo Smith
                                                  Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:42 AM
                                                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Diacritics

                                                  The c with caron in Family Tree Maker remains elusive after following Bill's
                                                  suggestion.
                                                   
                                                  Bill, FTM accepts some of the Slovak characters but not the c with caron. 
                                                  Your foreign language character guidelines  at iabsi gives the example of c
                                                  with the little v is produced by typing the number key 4.  When I do that, I
                                                  get e with accent grave.  Using your upper case example I get AE.
                                                   
                                                  All of the Slovak characters work correctly in Microsoft Word.
                                                   
                                                  This is a particularly  vexing problem for me because my husband's roots are
                                                  deep in Turciansky Dur and Turciansky Michal.  So I use that c with caron a
                                                  lot.
                                                   
                                                  Next stop are Gordon's alt key codes and Sue's links.  Thanks for your
                                                  guidance.
                                                   
                                                  Margo

                                                  --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net> wrote:

                                                  From: Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net>
                                                  Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 10:24 AM

                                                  Hi Margo,

                                                  Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help.

                                                  International Accent Marks and Diacriticals
                                                  http://www.starr. net/is/type/ altnum.htm

                                                  Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes
                                                  (http://tlt.its. psu.edu/suggesti ons/internationa l/accents/ codealt.html
                                                  )

                                                  Sue
                                                  Don't be afraid, cemetery ghosts are only genealogists with lanterns.
                                                  Ancestor Hunters Genealogy Group
                                                  http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancestorhu nters/

                                                  --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Margo Smith <margolane61@ ...>
                                                  wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can point
                                                  me in the right direction.
                                                  >  
                                                  > I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great
                                                  difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people and places. 
                                                  Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they do not
                                                  support Slovak diacritics.  I discovered that it is possible to cut
                                                  and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into Family Tree
                                                  Maker.  However, c with caron seems impossible.  I asked about this
                                                  at the CSI conference in Madison last October.  and I also asked my
                                                  computer wizard friends.  None of them have been able to do this
                                                  either.
                                                  >  
                                                  > My husband believes that one should be able to make a macro
                                                  consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know how to do it.
                                                  (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c with caron,
                                                  which is what I tried to do.)
                                                  >  
                                                  > Have any of you been able to solve this problem?  Thank you for any
                                                  insight you might have on this problem.
                                                  >  
                                                  > Margo
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                  >

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                                                • Jody Gonda
                                                  Alan,   How do you save your RootsMagic with Vista?  I recently got a new laptop with Vista and it won t save/backup.  When I contacted RootsMagic support I
                                                  Message 24 of 28 , Jun 25, 2008
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                                                    Alan,

                                                    How do you save your RootsMagic with Vista?� I recently got a new laptop with Vista and it won't save/backup.� When I contacted RootsMagic support I was told that Vista has some sort of security on it to prevent backing up.

                                                    Jody

                                                    --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Alan Antoska <aantoska@...> wrote:

                                                    From: Alan Antoska <aantoska@...>
                                                    Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                                    Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 8:40 PM






                                                    Ben,
                                                    As you noted, the characters are presented accurately (when I receive them, I use Vista) but may distort in the reply to the email.
                                                    BTW�my genealogy software,�Rootsmagic , failed�a simple 'cut & paste' of the characters. Rootsmagic has a character map but not the universal one.
                                                    Further, Rootsmagic will recognise some characters in the notes but NOT in the surname index which prospective purchasers should check for.

                                                    May a kind Providence prosper your efforts.
                                                    S pozdravom,
                                                    Alan

                                                    --- On Wed, 25/6/08, Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                                    From: Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@yahoo. com>
                                                    Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                    Received: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008, 7:51 AM

                                                    Dobry den Margo and everyone,
                                                    How much does that program cost and what are its perks?� I am scratching my head over the fact that it will not take "foreign" characters- But then does yahoo in plaintext? I was thinking of giving it a try- as I use a different regional setting for English, Slovak, Czech, and German. (I learned to type on both qwerty and qwertz keyboards, and some special characters take a touch of hunting for-especially in German.)
                                                    So consider this a test. I am going to send us special charachters and let me know if you guys can see them! If not, just erase this from your email, but we will see if this will make name-writig on this forum more "interesting. " :-)
                                                    TEST:
                                                    Slovak ������������������
                                                    Czech +����������������
                                                    German ��������

                                                    Like I said, I have turned off the formatting on my yahoo, and this looked just fine on my end. Let's see what happens when it gets put into the wash!
                                                    Benisko
                                                    --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Margo Smith <margolane61@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                                                    From: Margo Smith <margolane61@ yahoo.com>
                                                    Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                    Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 9:59 PM

                                                    Dobre den, Everyone

                                                    I apologize for the delay in my reply.� I was tending to my vegetable garden, a good Slovak activity, and visiting a Slovak friend in the hospital.� And I thank you for your helpful replies.

                                                    Yes, Bill, I contacted FTM twice about this.� They told me that they only support the Western European character set.� I agree that all the "foreign characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program."� After all, most of us are descendants of immigrants, and not all from English speaking places.

                                                    Yes, Polly, ultimately I will upgrade my FTM, after I personally check that all the Slovak diacritics I need work.� I'll probably leap to a major upgrade of hardware, XP to Vista, FTM and other software, etc. at the same time.

                                                    In the meantime, my system is not very efficient, but it works.

                                                    Margo


                                                    --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com> wrote:

                                                    From: Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com>
                                                    Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                    Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 4:27 AM

                                                    Hello Margo,
                                                    What does the publisher of FTM have to say about all of this? I presume you
                                                    paid good money for this program. You at least deserve their help. Foreign
                                                    characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program.
                                                    Bill

                                                    -----Original Message-----
                                                    From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK- ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com] On
                                                    Behalf Of Margo Smith
                                                    Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:42 AM
                                                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                    Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Diacritics

                                                    The c with caron in Family Tree Maker�remains elusive after following Bill's
                                                    suggestion.

                                                    Bill, FTM accepts some of the Slovak characters but not the c with caron.�
                                                    Your foreign language character�guidelines� at iabsi gives the example of c
                                                    with the little v is produced by typing the number key 4.� When I do that, I
                                                    get e with accent grave.� Using your upper case example I get AE.

                                                    All of the Slovak characters work correctly in Microsoft Word.

                                                    This is a�particularly� vexing problem�for me because my husband's roots are
                                                    deep�in Turciansky Dur and Turciansky Michal.� So I use that c with caron a
                                                    lot.

                                                    Next stop are Gordon's alt key codes and Sue's links.� Thanks for your
                                                    guidance.

                                                    Margo

                                                    --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net> wrote:

                                                    From: Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net>
                                                    Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                    Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 10:24 AM

                                                    Hi Margo,

                                                    Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help.

                                                    International Accent Marks and Diacriticals
                                                    http://www.starr. net/is/type/ altnum.htm

                                                    Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes
                                                    (http://tlt.its. psu.edu/suggesti ons/internationa l/accents/ codealt.html
                                                    )

                                                    Sue
                                                    Don't be afraid, cemetery ghosts are only genealogists with lanterns.
                                                    Ancestor Hunters Genealogy Group
                                                    http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancestorhu nters/

                                                    --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Margo Smith <margolane61@ ...>
                                                    wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can point
                                                    me in the right direction.
                                                    > �
                                                    > I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great
                                                    difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people and places.�
                                                    Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they do not
                                                    support Slovak diacritics.� I discovered that it is possible to cut
                                                    and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into Family Tree
                                                    Maker.� However, c with caron seems impossible.� I asked about this
                                                    at the CSI conference in Madison last October.� and I also asked my
                                                    computer wizard friends.� None of them have been able to do this
                                                    either.
                                                    > �
                                                    > My husband believes that one should be able to make a macro
                                                    consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know how to do it.
                                                    (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c with caron,
                                                    which is what I tried to do.)
                                                    > �
                                                    > Have any of you been able to solve this problem?� Thank you for any
                                                    insight you might have on this problem.
                                                    > �
                                                    > Margo
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
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                                                    >

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                                                  • Alan Antoska
                                                    Hi Jody, Thats news to me. My RM seems to run fine on Vista although it felt more comfortable on w-XP. In RM u need to tell it where to save the database &
                                                    Message 25 of 28 , Jun 25, 2008
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                                                      Hi Jody,
                                                      Thats news to me. My RM seems to run fine on Vista although it 'felt' more comfortable on w-XP.
                                                      In RM u need to tell it where to save the database & backup.
                                                      In RM, go to TOOLS, OPTIONS, then PROGRAM OPTIONS and FOLDERS to nominate location of data to be saved.
                                                      RM prompts me for a backup each time I exit but thats the way I set it up.
                                                      ps. Today I upgraded RM to 3.2.6 from their web site.

                                                      May a kind Providence prosper your efforts.
                                                      Regards / ciao / S pozdravom,
                                                      Alan


                                                      --- On Wed, 25/6/08, Jody Gonda <jodygonda4@...> wrote:

                                                      > From: Jody Gonda <jodygonda4@...>
                                                      > Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: RootsMagic - Alan
                                                      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                                      > Received: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008, 9:43 PM
                                                      > Alan,
                                                      >  
                                                      > How do you save your RootsMagic with Vista?  I recently
                                                      > got a new laptop with Vista and it won't save/backup. 
                                                      > When I contacted RootsMagic support I was told that Vista
                                                      > has some sort of security on it to prevent backing up.
                                                      >
                                                      > Jody
                                                      >
                                                      > --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Alan Antoska
                                                      > <aantoska@...> wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      > From: Alan Antoska <aantoska@...>
                                                      > Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                                      > Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 8:40 PM
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > Ben,
                                                      > As you noted, the characters are presented accurately (when
                                                      > I receive them, I use Vista) but may distort in the reply to
                                                      > the email.
                                                      > BTW my genealogy software, Rootsmagic , failed a simple
                                                      > 'cut & paste' of the characters. Rootsmagic has
                                                      > a character map but not the universal one.
                                                      > Further, Rootsmagic will recognise some characters in the
                                                      > notes but NOT in the surname index which prospective
                                                      > purchasers should check for.
                                                      >
                                                      > May a kind Providence prosper your efforts.
                                                      > S pozdravom,
                                                      > Alan
                                                      >
                                                      > --- On Wed, 25/6/08, Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@yahoo.
                                                      > com> wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      > From: Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@yahoo. com>
                                                      > Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      > Received: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008, 7:51 AM
                                                      >
                                                      > Dobry den Margo and everyone,
                                                      > How much does that program cost and what are its perks?  I
                                                      > am scratching my head over the fact that it will not take
                                                      > "foreign" characters- But then does yahoo in
                                                      > plaintext? I was thinking of giving it a try- as I use a
                                                      > different regional setting for English, Slovak, Czech, and
                                                      > German. (I learned to type on both qwerty and qwertz
                                                      > keyboards, and some special characters take a touch of
                                                      > hunting for-especially in German.)
                                                      > So consider this a test. I am going to send us special
                                                      > charachters and let me know if you guys can see them! If
                                                      > not, just erase this from your email, but we will see if
                                                      > this will make name-writig on this forum more
                                                      > "interesting. " :-)
                                                      > TEST:
                                                      > Slovak µ¹è»¾ýôòäúáí«È©®¾¥
                                                      > Czech +ì¹èøýáíéúùÌ«È©ÒØ
                                                      > German öäüßöäüß
                                                      >
                                                      > Like I said, I have turned off the formatting on my yahoo,
                                                      > and this looked just fine on my end. Let's see what
                                                      > happens when it gets put into the wash!
                                                      > Benisko
                                                      > --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Margo Smith <margolane61@
                                                      > yahoo.com> wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      > From: Margo Smith <margolane61@ yahoo.com>
                                                      > Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      > Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 9:59 PM
                                                      >
                                                      > Dobre den, Everyone
                                                      >  
                                                      > I apologize for the delay in my reply.  I was tending to
                                                      > my vegetable garden, a good Slovak activity, and visiting a
                                                      > Slovak friend in the hospital.  And I thank you for your
                                                      > helpful replies.
                                                      >  
                                                      > Yes, Bill, I contacted FTM twice about this.  They told me
                                                      > that they only support the Western European character set. 
                                                      > I agree that all the "foreign characters should be an
                                                      > essential component of any genealogy program."  After
                                                      > all, most of us are descendants of immigrants, and not all
                                                      > from English speaking places.
                                                      >  
                                                      > Yes, Polly, ultimately I will upgrade my FTM, after I
                                                      > personally check that all the Slovak diacritics I need
                                                      > work.  I'll probably leap to a major upgrade of
                                                      > hardware, XP to Vista, FTM and other software, etc. at the
                                                      > same time.
                                                      >  
                                                      > In the meantime, my system is not very efficient, but it
                                                      > works.
                                                      >  
                                                      > Margo
                                                      >  
                                                      >
                                                      > --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@
                                                      > iabsi.com> wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      > From: Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com>
                                                      > Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      > Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 4:27 AM
                                                      >
                                                      > Hello Margo,
                                                      > What does the publisher of FTM have to say about all of
                                                      > this? I presume you
                                                      > paid good money for this program. You at least deserve
                                                      > their help. Foreign
                                                      > characters should be an essential component of any
                                                      > genealogy program.
                                                      > Bill
                                                      >
                                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                                      > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK- ROOTS@
                                                      > yahoogroups. com] On
                                                      > Behalf Of Margo Smith
                                                      > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:42 AM
                                                      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      > Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                      >
                                                      > The c with caron in Family Tree Maker remains elusive
                                                      > after following Bill's
                                                      > suggestion.
                                                      >  
                                                      > Bill, FTM accepts some of the Slovak characters but not the
                                                      > c with caron. 
                                                      > Your foreign language character guidelines  at iabsi
                                                      > gives the example of c
                                                      > with the little v is produced by typing the number key 4. 
                                                      > When I do that, I
                                                      > get e with accent grave.  Using your upper case example I
                                                      > get AE.
                                                      >  
                                                      > All of the Slovak characters work correctly in Microsoft
                                                      > Word.
                                                      >  
                                                      > This is a particularly  vexing problem for me because my
                                                      > husband's roots are
                                                      > deep in Turciansky Dur and Turciansky Michal.  So I use
                                                      > that c with caron a
                                                      > lot.
                                                      >  
                                                      > Next stop are Gordon's alt key codes and Sue's
                                                      > links.  Thanks for your
                                                      > guidance.
                                                      >  
                                                      > Margo
                                                      >
                                                      > --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net>
                                                      > wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      > From: Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net>
                                                      > Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      > Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 10:24 AM
                                                      >
                                                      > Hi Margo,
                                                      >
                                                      > Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help.
                                                      >
                                                      > International Accent Marks and Diacriticals
                                                      > http://www.starr. net/is/type/ altnum.htm
                                                      >
                                                      > Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes
                                                      > (http://tlt.its. psu.edu/suggesti ons/internationa
                                                      > l/accents/ codealt.html
                                                      > )
                                                      >
                                                      > Sue
                                                      > Don't be afraid, cemetery ghosts are only genealogists
                                                      > with lanterns.
                                                      > Ancestor Hunters Genealogy Group
                                                      > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancestorhu nters/
                                                      >
                                                      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Margo Smith
                                                      > <margolane61@ ...>
                                                      > wrote:
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone
                                                      > who can point
                                                      > me in the right direction.
                                                      > >  
                                                      > > I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had
                                                      > great
                                                      > difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people
                                                      > and places. 
                                                      > Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they
                                                      > do not
                                                      > support Slovak diacritics.  I discovered that it is
                                                      > possible to cut
                                                      > and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into
                                                      > Family Tree
                                                      > Maker.  However, c with caron seems impossible.  I asked
                                                      > about this
                                                      > at the CSI conference in Madison last October.  and I also
                                                      > asked my
                                                      > computer wizard friends.  None of them have been able to
                                                      > do this
                                                      > either.
                                                      > >  
                                                      > > My husband believes that one should be able to make a
                                                      > macro
                                                      > consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know
                                                      > how to do it.
                                                      > (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c
                                                      > with caron,
                                                      > which is what I tried to do.)
                                                      > >  
                                                      > > Have any of you been able to solve this problem? 
                                                      > Thank you for any
                                                      > insight you might have on this problem.
                                                      > >  
                                                      > > Margo
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
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                                                    • Paul Guzowski
                                                      Ben, Lisa, et al.... Having been around this issue for some time with every genealogy group I belong to on Yahoo (was four but now only three), let me throw in
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                                                        Ben, Lisa, et al....

                                                        Having been around this issue for some time with every genealogy group I
                                                        belong to on Yahoo (was four but now only three), let me throw in my two
                                                        cents' worth.

                                                        First, WYSISWYG (called whizeewig... it means What You See Is What You Get)
                                                        was popularized by Apple with the first MACs. It was a while before those
                                                        in the Windows world could benefit from the same luxury of knowing that what
                                                        they saw on the screen would print the same way. As I recall, this was
                                                        partially solved with Windows 3.1 but wasn't truly seamless/effortless until
                                                        Windows 95.

                                                        That said, several factors come into play. First, what you can input from
                                                        your keyboard depends on which keyboard layout you have installed on your
                                                        machine regardless of what operating system you are using. I normally use
                                                        the American International layout with dead keys as this gives me many if
                                                        not most of the accented characters I need for Western European languages
                                                        (German, French, Italian, Spanish, etc). I also have the Slovak QWERTZ
                                                        keyboard loaded and can switch to it with a simple CNTRL key sequence when I
                                                        need the letters with carons, etc. I did the same when I worked in
                                                        Lithuania and it works well for me although I take a while to remember the
                                                        Y-Z switched key locations as well as a couple of the other accented
                                                        characters since they are not explicitly marked on the keyboard (you can
                                                        order a Slovak/Czech keyboard if that will help).

                                                        Second, what you are able to see on the screen depends on which code page
                                                        you have loaded at boot time (but don't dwell on this as it's pretty much a
                                                        non-player for most of us). This is what tells the operating system what
                                                        letter to display for a given code in a file.

                                                        Thirdly, what your software will handle depends on a few things but if it
                                                        only handles ASCII 256, many accented characters will not be possible.
                                                        Fortunately, this problem went away with the transition from DOS to Windows
                                                        for most of us. That said, how the database records information can limit
                                                        what can be entered and shown based on how the fields in the database are
                                                        defined.

                                                        Given all the above, if FTM cannot handle the diacriticals necessary for
                                                        Slovak (or German or Czech or Polish... etc), I would look elsewhere. I use
                                                        Linux as my operating system of choice and have no problems to display,
                                                        print, or save any of the diacritics (which probably explains why Liza
                                                        doesn't have problems since the MAC O/S is now Unix based). For genealogy
                                                        work, I use GenJ which is a free, open source, public domain genealogy
                                                        database program written in Java so it can run on any platform (MAC,
                                                        Windows, Unix, Linux, BEOS, etc) that has Java installed. It saves the files
                                                        in a standard genealogy format (GEDCOM) that can be used by many if not most
                                                        of the software out there. To wit, I do my work in GenJ on Linux and when I
                                                        save the file my brothers who primarily use Windows can open it and add
                                                        their comments, data, etc. I'm not in any way affiliated with GenJ but if
                                                        you are curious and want to learn more, look here:
                                                        http://genj.sourceforge.net/wiki/doku.php

                                                        You'll note that the program is available in German, French, Russian,
                                                        Polish, Spanish, and Hungarian but not Slovak or Czech. Fortunately, I
                                                        suspect most of the people in this group will use only the English version
                                                        which supports all the Slovak/Czech characters but gives menus in English.

                                                        OK.... sorry for the longish post. If you have specific questions feel free
                                                        to contact me directly via back-channel email (reply to sender) and I'll do
                                                        what I can to help you out.

                                                        S pozdrávom,

                                                        Paul in NW Florida


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                                                      • Paul Guzowski
                                                        One last thing I forgot when posting last night, if you have trouble getting some of your programs to run as expected after upgrading your operating system
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                                                          One last thing I forgot when posting last night, if you have trouble getting
                                                          some of your programs to run as expected after upgrading your operating
                                                          system (e.g. from Windows XP to Windows Vista), try using the new OS's
                                                          compatibility mode. For example, if you have an older program that ran well
                                                          under Windows 98 or XP but doesn't behave well under Vista, try instructing
                                                          Vista to run the program in XP compatibility mode. This will negates some
                                                          of Vista's bells and whistles but very well may get your program running
                                                          more like it did with the older operating system.

                                                          Paul in NW Florida


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                                                        • Margo Smith
                                                          Dobre rano Ben and Everyone   Ben, I use Family Tree Maker to generate pedigree charts, but we all know that FTM doesn t accept all SK diacritics.  One kind
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                                                            Dobre rano Ben and Everyone

                                                            Ben, I use Family Tree Maker to generate pedigree charts, but we all know that FTM doesn't accept all SK diacritics.� One kind of chart it generates is called an hourglass, which includes ancestors as well as descendants of a particular person.

                                                            My copy of FTM came to me as a gift 5 years ago so I don't know what my friend paid, but my recollection is that the price is < $100.� Perks?� What do you mean by that?� The new version of FTM (I think 2008) came out last fall and has a bug which the company does not intend to correct:� I am told that when importing data from previous versions surnames with suffixes (e.g., Senior, Junior), the program does not do it correctly.

                                                            Another quirk of FTM is that if a surname has an alias, e.g. Hlavnya alias Vozzar, FTM will index it under the alias instead of the surname.� And in the index, the surnames beginning with S with macken are all listed after S with no diactiric.

                                                            Your test characters came through fine but do not seem to include e with acute accent, as in Dubove and Slovenske Pravno, which both have the accent.

                                                            I'm getting so confused, I'm ready to pour myself a cold glass of Zlaty Bazant (except that it is too early in the morning for pivo!).� Yes, I'm sure it makes a difference for people who use Mac, XP, or Vista.� Just because yahoo does something, that does not mean that�something else, like FTM, will also do it.

                                                            Now that I am near the conclusion of my Slovak project, except for maintenance, I am dealing with the diacritic problem differently than I would if I were just starting out.� I use FTM for ancestral and descent charts�� Fortunately, there are few words which require c with macken -- the other diacritics I need I can cut and paste from Word.� Those charts can not be cut and pasted into Word.� So cut and paste works one way (into FTM)�but not the reverse (into Word).� I will scan the charts and insert them into a large Word document.� As for the family group sheet charts, I am re-typing them in Word.� Ouch!� However, this solves several problems (1) diacritics, because there are more c with macken on these charts, (2)� being able to differentiate births from baptisms and deaths from burials on�each chart as appropriate, (3) saves paper and looks more uniform with the narrative descriptions of the 95 family groups.

                                                            Happy weekend, everyone.

                                                            Margo

                                                            --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...> wrote:

                                                            From: Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...>
                                                            Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 3:51 PM






                                                            Dobry den Margo and everyone,
                                                            How much does that program cost and what are its perks?� I am scratching my head over the fact that it will not take "foreign" characters- But then does yahoo in plaintext? I was thinking of giving it a try- as I use a different regional setting for English, Slovak, Czech, and German. (I learned to type on both qwerty and qwertz keyboards, and some special characters take a touch of hunting for-especially in German.)
                                                            So consider this a test. I am going to send us special charachters and let me know if you guys can see them! If not, just erase this from your email, but we will see if this will make name-writig on this forum more "interesting. " :-)
                                                            TEST:
                                                            Slovak ������������������
                                                            Czech +����������������
                                                            German ��������

                                                            Like I said, I have turned off the formatting on my yahoo, and this looked just fine on my end. Let's see what happens when it gets put into the wash!
                                                            Benisko
                                                            --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Margo Smith <margolane61@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                                                            From: Margo Smith <margolane61@ yahoo.com>
                                                            Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                            Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 9:59 PM

                                                            Dobre den, Everyone

                                                            I apologize for the delay in my reply.� I was tending to my vegetable garden, a good Slovak activity, and visiting a Slovak friend in the hospital.� And I thank you for your helpful replies.

                                                            Yes, Bill, I contacted FTM twice about this.� They told me that they only support the Western European character set.� I agree that all the "foreign characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program."� After all, most of us are descendants of immigrants, and not all from English speaking places.

                                                            Yes, Polly, ultimately I will upgrade my FTM, after I personally check that all the Slovak diacritics I need work.� I'll probably leap to a major upgrade of hardware, XP to Vista, FTM and other software, etc. at the same time.

                                                            In the meantime, my system is not very efficient, but it works.

                                                            Margo


                                                            --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com> wrote:

                                                            From: Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@ iabsi.com>
                                                            Subject: RE: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                            Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 4:27 AM

                                                            Hello Margo,
                                                            What does the publisher of FTM have to say about all of this? I presume you
                                                            paid good money for this program. You at least deserve their help. Foreign
                                                            characters should be an essential component of any genealogy program.
                                                            Bill

                                                            -----Original Message-----
                                                            From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SLOVAK- ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com] On
                                                            Behalf Of Margo Smith
                                                            Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:42 AM
                                                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                            Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: Diacritics

                                                            The c with caron in Family Tree Maker�remains elusive after following Bill's
                                                            suggestion.

                                                            Bill, FTM accepts some of the Slovak characters but not the c with caron.�
                                                            Your foreign language character�guidelines� at iabsi gives the example of c
                                                            with the little v is produced by typing the number key 4.� When I do that, I
                                                            get e with accent grave.� Using your upper case example I get AE.

                                                            All of the Slovak characters work correctly in Microsoft Word.

                                                            This is a�particularly� vexing problem�for me because my husband's roots are
                                                            deep�in Turciansky Dur and Turciansky Michal.� So I use that c with caron a
                                                            lot.

                                                            Next stop are Gordon's alt key codes and Sue's links.� Thanks for your
                                                            guidance.

                                                            Margo

                                                            --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net> wrote:

                                                            From: Sue <sueseyes@sbcglobal . net>
                                                            Subject: [S-R] Re: Diacritics
                                                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
                                                            Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 10:24 AM

                                                            Hi Margo,

                                                            Found these diacritics sites for windows. Hope these help.

                                                            International Accent Marks and Diacriticals
                                                            http://www.starr. net/is/type/ altnum.htm

                                                            Windows - Alt Key Numeric Codes
                                                            (http://tlt.its. psu.edu/suggesti ons/internationa l/accents/ codealt.html
                                                            )

                                                            Sue
                                                            Don't be afraid, cemetery ghosts are only genealogists with lanterns.
                                                            Ancestor Hunters Genealogy Group
                                                            http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancestorhu nters/

                                                            --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Margo Smith <margolane61@ ...>
                                                            wrote:
                                                            >
                                                            > Among this group of experts, I hope there is someone who can point
                                                            me in the right direction.
                                                            > �
                                                            > I use Family Tree Maker (version 9 or 10) and have had great
                                                            difficulty with Slovak diacritics on the names of people and places.�
                                                            Twice I contacted Family Tree Maker, who tole me that they do not
                                                            support Slovak diacritics.� I discovered that it is possible to cut
                                                            and paste MOST of the Slovak diacritics from Word into Family Tree
                                                            Maker.� However, c with caron seems impossible.� I asked about this
                                                            at the CSI conference in Madison last October.� and I also asked my
                                                            computer wizard friends.� None of them have been able to do this
                                                            either.
                                                            > �
                                                            > My husband believes that one should be able to make a macro
                                                            consisting of c backspace caron, although we don't know how to do it.
                                                            (As opposed to using the ASCII code for the symbol of c with caron,
                                                            which is what I tried to do.)
                                                            > �
                                                            > Have any of you been able to solve this problem?� Thank you for any
                                                            insight you might have on this problem.
                                                            > �
                                                            > Margo
                                                            >
                                                            >
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