Re: [SLOVAK-ROOTS] Mormon records
- I think "not being considered for extraction" has to do with the LDS not
taking the names listed on that film for proxy baptisms into their
church, not to do with whether or not the film can leave the main
Many of those you find in the IGI are "extracted" from microfilms, not
submitted by related family members. I am not a Mormon, but it's been
explained to me that their practice is to baptise those by proxy, and
then if the person does not wish to "accept" that religion in the
afterlife they don't have to. Or something like that. I do know that
many people have been complaining that they are finding relatives in the
IGI (meaning these baptisms and marriage sealings were done without
family permission)... in fact there was a big problem about a year or so
ago when a Jewish group found out that the Mormons "baptized" a lot of
people on some microfilm of those killed at concentration camps, and the
Mormons ended up pulling those names out of the IGI.
I'm not Mormon bashing or anything, just trying to explain what the IGI
is and what extractions are. So many people get upset about "I can't
find my person in the IGI", but they don't realize what the IGI is a
Maura Petzolt Mobile Alabama USA
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I know that you weren't Mormon Bashing --- You explained what we do with the
records quite well. There is just one thing that I want to mention. I
realize that there were some folks (Jewish Ancestors) who were disturbed
about the name extraction program and the work that we do with proxy
baptisms, etc. However, it occurs to me that if a person doesn't believe in
what we are doing, then why get upset. If someone doesn't believe that what
we are doing matters and that their beliefs differ (we respect that) however,
then in their minds all of our efforts would be null and void, so whether we
do it don't shouldn't matter at all.
Hope that clears it up.
Joy An Johnson
Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, PA
- At 02:46 PM 5/27/00 EDT, you wrote:
>I know that you weren't Mormon Bashing --- You explained what we do with theHowever, it occurs to me that if a person doesn't believe in
>records quite well.
>what we are doing, then why get upset. If someone doesn't believe that whathowever,
>we are doing matters and that their beliefs differ (we respect that)
>then in their minds all of our efforts would be null and void, so whether weWith all due respect: I see your point, however, 1) many people find it
>do it don't shouldn't matter at all.
offensive that Mormons are making these "efforts" in relation to people of
other religions who cannot speak or choose for themselves. Yes, I know
that the belief is that they can reject this in the afterlife, but they
should have been given the choice beforehand to start with. This is
especially offensive, I think, to those whose family members died for their
religion. It is very presumptuous to be doing something--or trying to do
something--to other peoples' deceased family.
2) "then why get upset"--"it shouldn't matter at all"; you would deny them
the right to have feelings about this?? They don't have to justify why
this upsets them! The mere fact that this upsets them should be (and
apparently was) reason to reconsider.
With regard to my own ancestors, I don't really care, because I don't
believe the Mormons' efforts will have any effect (as you pointed out
above). But I know people, especially Jews, who care very very much and
are very upset about this. So for that reason alone, I feel it should not
I realize that we are probably not going to agree on this issue; but I do
ask that you realize where others are coming from and not think that their
feelings about the issue aren't important.
- Point well taken ---- I do see their point --- I was just stating mine. Mine
not the Church's. The Church has come out and made statements concerning
their extraction program and when the Holocost records were being extracted
and the Jewish population became upset, they immediately stopped and promised
that they wouldn't continue. They have kept that promise and will continue
to do so.
I did and do not feel the need to take away the feelings of others, I was
just stating mine.
As for the people having the chance to make that choice for themselves in
this life, perhaps they didn't have that chance --- hence this is why we do
what we do as proxy representatives. We believe that an individual is an
individual and that they exist as such in the hereafter and can make their
own choices. That is also why we do what we do.
I hope that this clears up my statement.