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  • Mary Hudec
    I m currently living in Germany and the few Slovaks I ve met here have commented that although my last name is Slovak (Hudec) that I can t possibly be Slovak
    Message 1 of 25 , Sep 21, 2006
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      I'm currently living in Germany and the few Slovaks
      I've met here have commented that although my last
      name is Slovak (Hudec) that I can't possibly be Slovak
      because I'm too short. (5'2") My grandfather Hudec
      from Bratislava was 6'6" and my grandmother (Bartosik)
      was from along the current Hungarian border and was
      4'10".

      I'm just curious because all the Slovaks I grew up
      with in Racine Wisconsin -Hudecs, Dankos, Dvorsiks
      etc., were short for the most part. All except one
      great uncle who was well over 6foot. Does anyone have
      imput on this?

      Thanks
      Mary
    • Michael Mojher
      The Slovak Institute of Health Information and Statistics website didn t provide an answer. From my experience from four trips to Slovakia since 2000. There
      Message 2 of 25 , Sep 21, 2006
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        The Slovak Institute of Health Information and Statistics website didn't provide an answer.
        From my experience from four trips to Slovakia since 2000. There seems to be a pronounced generational difference in height. I found that those thirty and younger are on average much taller than their parents generation, six inches or more. I was surprised by the number of young women who were taller than 5'10" as I walked the Centrums of Bratislava, Kosice and Presov. The young men over six feet were of equal number. A rough estimate was 30% of the younger generation fit into this tall category.
        I would venture to guess that since the end of the socialist period the health and nutrition of the Slovaks have improved. Resulting in a much taller generation. A similar situation happened in Japan after WW II as a western diet was introduced.
        In the villages you see older generations where being under 5' 6" is much more the norm.
        It would appears that genetically the Slovaks are a taller people. There are the expected variations in height. More so the influence of nutrition on the generations may be a stronger influence than genetics.
        Michael Mojher
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Mary Hudec
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:26 PM
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Slovaks & height??



        I'm currently living in Germany and the few Slovaks
        I've met here have commented that although my last
        name is Slovak (Hudec) that I can't possibly be Slovak
        because I'm too short. (5'2") My grandfather Hudec
        from Bratislava was 6'6" and my grandmother (Bartosik)
        was from along the current Hungarian border and was
        4'10".

        I'm just curious because all the Slovaks I grew up
        with in Racine Wisconsin -Hudecs, Dankos, Dvorsiks
        etc., were short for the most part. All except one
        great uncle who was well over 6foot. Does anyone have
        imput on this?

        Thanks
        Mary




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      • monica stewart
        None of the men in my Mother s Slovak family were very big in general, height or weight. Mary Hudec wrote: I m currently living in
        Message 3 of 25 , Sep 21, 2006
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          None of the men in my Mother's Slovak family were very big in general, height or weight.

          Mary Hudec <hawaiihudec@...> wrote:
          I'm currently living in Germany and the few Slovaks
          I've met here have commented that although my last
          name is Slovak (Hudec) that I can't possibly be Slovak
          because I'm too short. (5'2") My grandfather Hudec
          from Bratislava was 6'6" and my grandmother (Bartosik)
          was from along the current Hungarian border and was
          4'10".

          I'm just curious because all the Slovaks I grew up
          with in Racine Wisconsin -Hudecs, Dankos, Dvorsiks
          etc., were short for the most part. All except one
          great uncle who was well over 6foot. Does anyone have
          imput on this?

          Thanks
          Mary





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        • david1law@aol.com
          Hi all, Thanks to good Slovak genes, I m 6 2 ....Slovaks are highlanders after all. = ) Best regards, David [Non-text portions of this message have been
          Message 4 of 25 , Sep 21, 2006
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            Hi all,

            Thanks to good Slovak genes, I'm 6' 2" ....Slovaks are highlanders after
            all. = )


            Best regards,


            David


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          • helene cincebeaux
            Hi Mary - when i first went to Slovakia in 1969 I felt pretty tall at 5 5 now young people are so incredibly tall - even many girls well over 6 . A friend
            Message 5 of 25 , Sep 21, 2006
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              Hi Mary - when i first went to Slovakia in 1969 I felt pretty tall at 5'5" now young people are so incredibly tall - even many girls well over 6 ' . A friend told me it was the horomones added to the chicken feed - smile. it sure is interesting!

              helene

              Mary Hudec <hawaiihudec@...> wrote:

              I'm currently living in Germany and the few Slovaks
              I've met here have commented that although my last
              name is Slovak (Hudec) that I can't possibly be Slovak
              because I'm too short. (5'2") My grandfather Hudec
              from Bratislava was 6'6" and my grandmother (Bartosik)
              was from along the current Hungarian border and was
              4'10".

              I'm just curious because all the Slovaks I grew up
              with in Racine Wisconsin -Hudecs, Dankos, Dvorsiks
              etc., were short for the most part. All except one
              great uncle who was well over 6foot. Does anyone have
              imput on this?

              Thanks
              Mary





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            • Bill Tarkulich
              Nutrition in one s formative years is a very large part of the puzzle. How d you like to eat potatoes and cabbage all the time? I watched my family go from 5-0
              Message 6 of 25 , Sep 21, 2006
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                Nutrition in one's formative years is a very large part of the puzzle.
                How'd you like to eat potatoes and cabbage all the time?

                I watched my family go from 5-0 (raised in Hungary poverty), to 5-4 (raised
                during the depression) to 5-8 (raised during the baby boom.

                During that same period the average lifespan went from 50/55 to 75/80.

                I would venture to say that those families in the city and with money had
                superior access to a better diet and less exposure to dangerous
                materials/jobs.

                Bill


                -----Original Message-----
                From: david1law@... [mailto:david1law@...]
                Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:36 PM
                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [S-R] Slovaks & height??

                Hi all,

                Thanks to good Slovak genes, I'm 6' 2" ....Slovaks are highlanders after
                all. = )


                Best regards,


                David


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              • Susan Friedhaber-Hard
                For the record, my grandparents from the village of Plavnica, both born in 1890, were no more than 4 ft. 10 in. Their three children were a little taller. My
                Message 7 of 25 , Sep 21, 2006
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                  For the record, my grandparents from the village of Plavnica, both born in 1890, were no more than 4 ft. 10 in.

                  Their three children were a little taller. My mother, the youngest born in 1922, was 5 ft. 2 in.

                  Her children were a bit taller. I was 5 ft. 5 in. However age & back surgery has reduced me to 5 ft. 3 in. My three younger half-sisters were all a couple of inches shorter even though my father and their father were both 5 ft. 10 in. My daughter is 5 ft. 5 in.

                  Interestingly, my short grandparents lived into their 80s, longer than my mother who died at age 75.

                  There are so many variables...

                  Susan Friedhaber-Hard


                  Mary Hudec <hawaiihudec@...> wrote:

                  I'm currently living in Germany and the few Slovaks
                  I've met here have commented that although my last
                  name is Slovak (Hudec) that I can't possibly be Slovak
                  because I'm too short. (5'2") My grandfather Hudec
                  from Bratislava was 6'6" and my grandmother (Bartosik)
                  was from along the current Hungarian border and was
                  4'10".

                  I'm just curious because all the Slovaks I grew up
                  with in Racine Wisconsin -Hudecs, Dankos, Dvorsiks
                  etc., were short for the most part. All except one
                  great uncle who was well over 6foot. Does anyone have
                  imput on this?

                  Thanks
                  Mary





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                • William F Brna
                  I had a distant cousin who was seven feet tall. Not only was he tall, but he lived to 105 years. Who knows how long he might have lived if a horse he was
                  Message 8 of 25 , Sep 22, 2006
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                    I had a distant cousin who was seven feet tall. Not only was he tall,
                    but he lived to 105 years. Who knows how long he might have lived if a
                    horse he was riding didn't throw him. He died when his head hit the
                    frozen ground.

                    William F. Brna

                    On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Mary Hudec
                    <hawaiihudec@...> writes:
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                    > I'm currently living in Germany and the few Slovaks
                    > I've met here have commented that although my last
                    > name is Slovak (Hudec) that I can't possibly be Slovak
                    > because I'm too short. (5'2") My grandfather Hudec
                    > from Bratislava was 6'6" and my grandmother (Bartosik)
                    > was from along the current Hungarian border and was
                    > 4'10".
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                    > I'm just curious because all the Slovaks I grew up
                    > with in Racine Wisconsin -Hudecs, Dankos, Dvorsiks
                    > etc., were short for the most part. All except one
                    > great uncle who was well over 6foot. Does anyone have
                    > imput on this?
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                    > Thanks
                    > Mary
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                  • DIANE PERKINS
                    Hi Mary, I couldn t pass up this reply as we are both from Racine, WI and have Slovak ancestors. My grandmother was 4 11 and was born in 1895. I don t know
                    Message 9 of 25 , Sep 22, 2006
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                      Hi Mary,
                      I couldn't pass up this reply as we are both from Racine, WI and have Slovak ancestors. My grandmother was 4' 11" and was born in 1895. I don't know about her parents but my mother is now 4'11" and has shrunk about 2" I am 5'3.5". Mother's brother was 5'9" We know nothing about him except he was Povina which not far from Bratislava. I wonder if the difference in height could be more or less geographic. It seems the Slovaks in my family that originated in the east near Kosice were short and the ones from the west near Bratislava were taller. Once migration had been completed to the USA however than improved diet and lifestyle probably had an impact on height. I know the cousins from my mother's side were not exceptionally tall and one in fact is "you've guessed it" 4'11" !!!
                      Diane

                      Susan Friedhaber-Hard <barclaypenn@...> wrote:
                      For the record, my grandparents from the village of Plavnica, both born in 1890, were no more than 4 ft. 10 in.

                      Their three children were a little taller. My mother, the youngest born in 1922, was 5 ft. 2 in.

                      Her children were a bit taller. I was 5 ft. 5 in. However age & back surgery has reduced me to 5 ft. 3 in. My three younger half-sisters were all a couple of inches shorter even though my father and their father were both 5 ft. 10 in. My daughter is 5 ft. 5 in.

                      Interestingly, my short grandparents lived into their 80s, longer than my mother who died at age 75.

                      There are so many variables...

                      Susan Friedhaber-Hard


                      Mary Hudec <hawaiihudec@...> wrote:

                      I'm currently living in Germany and the few Slovaks
                      I've met here have commented that although my last
                      name is Slovak (Hudec) that I can't possibly be Slovak
                      because I'm too short. (5'2") My grandfather Hudec
                      from Bratislava was 6'6" and my grandmother (Bartosik)
                      was from along the current Hungarian border and was
                      4'10".

                      I'm just curious because all the Slovaks I grew up
                      with in Racine Wisconsin -Hudecs, Dankos, Dvorsiks
                      etc., were short for the most part. All except one
                      great uncle who was well over 6foot. Does anyone have
                      imput on this?

                      Thanks
                      Mary

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                    • Richard & Dian Strauss
                      Hey there ... I am from Racine too and normally don t come on to email but my grandmother was a tiny lady as well from lublanya ... we are now in arkansas but
                      Message 10 of 25 , Sep 22, 2006
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                        Hey there ... I am from Racine too and normally don't come on to email but my grandmother was a tiny lady as well from lublanya ... we are now in arkansas but nice to see my hometown on here. my grandparents came to the u.s. early 1900s and lived in calumet michigan.

                        DIANE PERKINS <nv_cracker@...> wrote: Hi Mary,
                        I couldn't pass up this reply as we are both from Racine, WI and have Slovak ancestors. My grandmother was 4' 11" and was born in 1895. I don't know about her parents but my mother is now 4'11" and has shrunk about 2" I am 5'3.5". Mother's brother was 5'9" We know nothing about him except he was Povina which not far from Bratislava. I wonder if the difference in height could be more or less geographic. It seems the Slovaks in my family that originated in the east near Kosice were short and the ones from the west near Bratislava were taller. Once migration had been completed to the USA however than improved diet and lifestyle probably had an impact on height. I know the cousins from my mother's side were not exceptionally tall and one in fact is "you've guessed it" 4'11" !!!
                        Diane

                        Susan Friedhaber-Hard wrote:
                        For the record, my grandparents from the village of Plavnica, both born in 1890, were no more than 4 ft. 10 in.

                        Their three children were a little taller. My mother, the youngest born in 1922, was 5 ft. 2 in.

                        Her children were a bit taller. I was 5 ft. 5 in. However age & back surgery has reduced me to 5 ft. 3 in. My three younger half-sisters were all a couple of inches shorter even though my father and their father were both 5 ft. 10 in. My daughter is 5 ft. 5 in.

                        Interestingly, my short grandparents lived into their 80s, longer than my mother who died at age 75.

                        There are so many variables...

                        Susan Friedhaber-Hard


                        Mary Hudec wrote:

                        I'm currently living in Germany and the few Slovaks
                        I've met here have commented that although my last
                        name is Slovak (Hudec) that I can't possibly be Slovak
                        because I'm too short. (5'2") My grandfather Hudec
                        from Bratislava was 6'6" and my grandmother (Bartosik)
                        was from along the current Hungarian border and was
                        4'10".

                        I'm just curious because all the Slovaks I grew up
                        with in Racine Wisconsin -Hudecs, Dankos, Dvorsiks
                        etc., were short for the most part. All except one
                        great uncle who was well over 6foot. Does anyone have
                        imput on this?

                        Thanks
                        Mary

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                      • helene cincebeaux
                        Dear Slovak-Roots friends - Some of you may be attending the Slovak Festival at Pitt (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) on Sunday, Nov 5. I would like to invite you to
                        Message 11 of 25 , Sep 22, 2006
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                          Dear Slovak-Roots friends - Some of you may be attending the Slovak Festival at Pitt (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) on Sunday, Nov 5.

                          I would like to invite you to a Party the night before

                          Sat. Nov 4 -from 5 pm to 12 pm-

                          It will be held at a home in Moon Township near the airport - e mail me for more info.

                          We will have a Slovak Trivia contest and prizes and it will be fun!

                          helene cincebeaux
                          editor of Slovakia and Slovak Pride
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                        • slovak_american
                          Helene, Thanks so much for this information and the invite. Sorry... but I just joined this group today. Can you point me to any more details on the Slovak
                          Message 12 of 25 , Oct 2, 2006
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                            Helene,

                            Thanks so much for this information and the invite.

                            Sorry... but I just joined this group today. Can you point me to
                            any more details on the Slovak Festival at Pitt? Do you know what
                            time and where it will take place exactly? Is there an itinerary on
                            line?

                            Thanks!

                            Patrick
                            http://slovakamerican.blogspot.com/

                            By the way, what is "Slovakia and Slovak Pride," which you edit?


                            --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, helene cincebeaux
                            <helenezx@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Dear Slovak-Roots friends - Some of you may be attending the
                            Slovak Festival at Pitt (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) on Sunday, Nov 5.
                            >
                            > I would like to invite you to a Party the night before
                            >
                            > Sat. Nov 4 -from 5 pm to 12 pm-
                            >
                            > It will be held at a home in Moon Township near the airport - e
                            mail me for more info.
                            >
                            > We will have a Slovak Trivia contest and prizes and it will be
                            fun!
                            >
                            > helene cincebeaux
                            > editor of Slovakia and Slovak Pride
                            > helenezx@...
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
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                          • Dr. Joe Q
                            http://www.umc.pitt.edu/media/pcc021028/news_slovakfest.html Professor Martin Votruba who is a member of this group is the professor of Slovak Studies at Pitt.
                            Message 13 of 25 , Oct 2, 2006
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                              http://www.umc.pitt.edu/media/pcc021028/news_slovakfest.html

                              Professor Martin Votruba who is a member of this group
                              is the professor of Slovak Studies at Pitt. He has
                              coordinated this get together for years. It is held
                              the first Sunday in November on the mian floor of the
                              Cathedral of Learning it runs from about 1 PM to 5 PM.
                              There are groups pergorming songs and dances. Food is
                              available for purchase and there are quite a few
                              people displaying and selling Slovak merchandise.

                              A few years ago, Helene started to meet the day before
                              for a small party that has become a largere party.

                              Dr. "Q"

                              --- slovak_american <slovak_american@...> wrote:

                              > Helene,
                              >
                              > Thanks so much for this information and the invite.
                              >
                              >
                              > Sorry... but I just joined this group today. Can
                              > you point me to
                              > any more details on the Slovak Festival at Pitt? Do
                              > you know what
                              > time and where it will take place exactly? Is there
                              > an itinerary on
                              > line?
                              >
                              > Thanks!
                              >
                              > Patrick
                              > http://slovakamerican.blogspot.com/
                              >
                              > By the way, what is "Slovakia and Slovak Pride,"
                              > which you edit?
                              >
                              >
                              > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, helene
                              > cincebeaux
                              > <helenezx@...> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Dear Slovak-Roots friends - Some of you may be
                              > attending the
                              > Slovak Festival at Pitt (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
                              > on Sunday, Nov 5.
                              > >
                              > > I would like to invite you to a Party the night
                              > before
                              > >
                              > > Sat. Nov 4 -from 5 pm to 12 pm-
                              > >
                              > > It will be held at a home in Moon Township near
                              > the airport - e
                              > mail me for more info.
                              > >
                              > > We will have a Slovak Trivia contest and prizes
                              > and it will be
                              > fun!
                              > >
                              > > helene cincebeaux
                              > > editor of Slovakia and Slovak Pride
                              > > helenezx@...

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                            • helene cincebeaux
                              Everyone is invited - the more the merrier - we have people coming in from California, Illinois, Florida, Connecticut, Georgia, Ohio, New Jersey etc. if anyone
                              Message 14 of 25 , Oct 2, 2006
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                                Everyone is invited - the more the merrier - we have people coming in from California, Illinois, Florida, Connecticut, Georgia, Ohio, New Jersey etc.

                                if anyone would like me to e-mail the invitation and directions just let me know

                                helene

                                "Dr. Joe Q" <doctor_jq@...> wrote:
                                http://www.umc.pitt.edu/media/pcc021028/news_slovakfest.html

                                Professor Martin Votruba who is a member of this group
                                is the professor of Slovak Studies at Pitt. He has
                                coordinated this get together for years. It is held
                                the first Sunday in November on the mian floor of the
                                Cathedral of Learning it runs from about 1 PM to 5 PM.
                                There are groups pergorming songs and dances. Food is
                                available for purchase and there are quite a few
                                people displaying and selling Slovak merchandise.

                                A few years ago, Helene started to meet the day before
                                for a small party that has become a largere party.

                                Dr. "Q"

                                --- slovak_american <slovak_american@...> wrote:

                                > Helene,
                                >
                                > Thanks so much for this information and the invite.
                                >
                                >
                                > Sorry... but I just joined this group today. Can
                                > you point me to
                                > any more details on the Slovak Festival at Pitt? Do
                                > you know what
                                > time and where it will take place exactly? Is there
                                > an itinerary on
                                > line?
                                >
                                > Thanks!
                                >
                                > Patrick
                                > http://slovakamerican.blogspot.com/
                                >
                                > By the way, what is "Slovakia and Slovak Pride,"
                                > which you edit?
                                >
                                >
                                > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, helene
                                > cincebeaux
                                > <helenezx@...> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Dear Slovak-Roots friends - Some of you may be
                                > attending the
                                > Slovak Festival at Pitt (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
                                > on Sunday, Nov 5.
                                > >
                                > > I would like to invite you to a Party the night
                                > before
                                > >
                                > > Sat. Nov 4 -from 5 pm to 12 pm-
                                > >
                                > > It will be held at a home in Moon Township near
                                > the airport - e
                                > mail me for more info.
                                > >
                                > > We will have a Slovak Trivia contest and prizes
                                > and it will be
                                > fun!
                                > >
                                > > helene cincebeaux
                                > > editor of Slovakia and Slovak Pride
                                > > helenezx@...

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                              • helene cincebeaux
                                Hi Patrick - Welcome! I see someone provided the web site for the Slovak Festival at Pitt on Nov 5 - it is a lot of fun - such a variety of exhibits,
                                Message 15 of 25 , Oct 2, 2006
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                                  Hi Patrick - Welcome!

                                  I see someone provided the web site for the Slovak Festival at Pitt on Nov 5 - it is a lot of fun - such a variety of exhibits, performances and presentations.

                                  I publish Slovakia magazine and glad to send you a free sample copy - just e mail an address to helenezx@...

                                  The Slovak Pride data base has almost 25,000 listings of Slovak and Rusyn surnames and the villages they came from - would certainly love to have your ancestral surnames! Check it out at www.our-Slovakia .com or www.Slovak Pride.homestead.com

                                  I will send you info on the Sat night Nov 4 party - would love to have you and family or friends join us!

                                  all best wishes

                                  helene
                                  slovak_american <slovak_american@...> wrote:
                                  Helene,

                                  Thanks so much for this information and the invite.

                                  Sorry... but I just joined this group today. Can you point me to
                                  any more details on the Slovak Festival at Pitt? Do you know what
                                  time and where it will take place exactly? Is there an itinerary on
                                  line?

                                  Thanks!

                                  Patrick
                                  http://slovakamerican.blogspot.com/

                                  By the way, what is "Slovakia and Slovak Pride," which you edit?

                                  --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, helene cincebeaux
                                  <helenezx@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Dear Slovak-Roots friends - Some of you may be attending the
                                  Slovak Festival at Pitt (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) on Sunday, Nov 5.
                                  >
                                  > I would like to invite you to a Party the night before
                                  >
                                  > Sat. Nov 4 -from 5 pm to 12 pm-
                                  >
                                  > It will be held at a home in Moon Township near the airport - e
                                  mail me for more info.
                                  >
                                  > We will have a Slovak Trivia contest and prizes and it will be
                                  fun!
                                  >
                                  > helene cincebeaux
                                  > editor of Slovakia and Slovak Pride
                                  > helenezx@...
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
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                                • helene cincebeaux
                                  oops - this web site below is an old one that says the festival is nov 3 - this year it is nov 5 Have attached the current flier helene Dr. Joe Q
                                  Message 16 of 25 , Oct 2, 2006
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                                    oops - this web site below is an old one that says the festival is nov 3 - this year it is nov 5

                                    Have attached the current flier

                                    helene

                                    "Dr. Joe Q" <doctor_jq@...> wrote:
                                    http://www.umc.pitt.edu/media/pcc021028/news_slovakfest.html

                                    Professor Martin Votruba who is a member of this group
                                    is the professor of Slovak Studies at Pitt. He has
                                    coordinated this get together for years. It is held
                                    the first Sunday in November on the mian floor of the
                                    Cathedral of Learning it runs from about 1 PM to 5 PM.
                                    There are groups pergorming songs and dances. Food is
                                    available for purchase and there are quite a few
                                    people displaying and selling Slovak merchandise.

                                    A few years ago, Helene started to meet the day before
                                    for a small party that has become a largere party.

                                    Dr. "Q"

                                    --- slovak_american <slovak_american@...> wrote:

                                    > Helene,
                                    >
                                    > Thanks so much for this information and the invite.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Sorry... but I just joined this group today. Can
                                    > you point me to
                                    > any more details on the Slovak Festival at Pitt? Do
                                    > you know what
                                    > time and where it will take place exactly? Is there
                                    > an itinerary on
                                    > line?
                                    >
                                    > Thanks!
                                    >
                                    > Patrick
                                    > http://slovakamerican.blogspot.com/
                                    >
                                    > By the way, what is "Slovakia and Slovak Pride,"
                                    > which you edit?
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, helene
                                    > cincebeaux
                                    > <helenezx@...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > Dear Slovak-Roots friends - Some of you may be
                                    > attending the
                                    > Slovak Festival at Pitt (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
                                    > on Sunday, Nov 5.
                                    > >
                                    > > I would like to invite you to a Party the night
                                    > before
                                    > >
                                    > > Sat. Nov 4 -from 5 pm to 12 pm-
                                    > >
                                    > > It will be held at a home in Moon Township near
                                    > the airport - e
                                    > mail me for more info.
                                    > >
                                    > > We will have a Slovak Trivia contest and prizes
                                    > and it will be
                                    > fun!
                                    > >
                                    > > helene cincebeaux
                                    > > editor of Slovakia and Slovak Pride
                                    > > helenezx@...

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                                  • amiak27
                                    Carl, I found the reply direct and no-nonsense, not insulting. Europeans are often more direct and honest than we are in America where an answer can be hidden
                                    Message 17 of 25 , Oct 31, 2006
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                                      Carl,

                                      I found the reply direct and no-nonsense, not insulting. Europeans
                                      are often more direct and honest than we are in America where an
                                      answer can be hidden by so much beating around the bush. In this
                                      case I found it quite proper. I took it that Mr. Bohinc expressed
                                      his opinion and was not ready to talk about it indefinitely.

                                      The choice is yours; either accept his proposal or follow other
                                      leads and prove him wrong. I see no fault in him not wishing to
                                      discuss it without end.

                                      Ron

                                      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Kotlarchik"
                                      <kkotlarc@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > This is an example of what I consider a rude reply. I now
                                      recognize > that the word is probably "zeliar". But my inquiry was
                                      legitimate > and did not deserve the rude and patronizing reply that
                                      I > received. This has got to stop. I am a proud Slovak who will
                                      not > be treated as a second class person. No one in this group
                                      should be > afraid to post a question for fear of being insulted by
                                      > the "professionals".
                                      >
                                      > I believe my questions are presented in a dignified and polite
                                      > manner. I expect the same type of reply and so should everyone
                                      else > in this group.
                                      > Carl Kotlarchik
                                      >
                                      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Vladimir Bohinc" <konekta@>
                                      > wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > Dear Carl,
                                      > > Please, please. This is not a subject which allows second
                                      opinion.
                                      > Waste of time. Zeliar is what I said; a man who only owed a house.
                                      > > Zelezar ( from zelezo=iron in slovenian or zeljezo in croat) is
                                      a
                                      > ironworker, but all this has nothing to do with you.
                                      > > Vladimir
                                      > >
                                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > > From: Carl Kotlarchik
                                      > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:36 PM
                                      > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Unknown occupation
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Thanks very much for the replies. Someone has also suggested
                                      off-
                                      > > line to me that this word could be "z'eljar" or someone who
                                      > mines
                                      > > iron ore or is involved with the making of steel. But I don't
                                      > know
                                      > > what language that would be. Actually, if this is a word for a
                                      > > miner, then it would make sense in my g-grandfather's case.
                                      The
                                      > > family came from Gomor county which is in the ore mountains.
                                      So,
                                      > > there was mining all around my ancestor's villages. My
                                      > grandmother
                                      > > also once told me that her father worked in a guarry. So, this
                                      > would
                                      > > fit. But the on-line dictionaries list "banik" as the word for
                                      > > miner in Slovak and "ba'nya'sz" in Hungarian. Does anyone else
                                      > > recognize the word "z'eljar" as possibly "iron ore miner".
                                      > > Carl
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Armata, Joseph R.
                                      > (JArmata)"
                                      > > <JArmata@> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > That's the same as zeliar, or zseller in Hungarian, or
                                      > inquilinus
                                      > > in
                                      > > > Latin - someone who owns his house and just a very small
                                      plot
                                      > of
                                      > > land.
                                      > > > In English sometimes called a cotter.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Joe
                                      > > >
                                      > > > -----Original Message-----
                                      > > > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Carl
                                      > Kotlarchik
                                      > > > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:54 AM
                                      > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > Subject: [S-R] Unknown occupation
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > I have placed a portion of one of my family church documents
                                      > in
                                      > > the
                                      > > > files section of this site. It is labeled as "Unknown
                                      > > occupation".
                                      > > > Next to the names of the parents are the occupations of the
                                      > > > individuals. Most of the names and occupations are written
                                      in
                                      > > Slovak
                                      > > > but some are in Hungarian. The Slovak word for farm-
                                      > > hand, "rolnik"
                                      > > > can be seen. But also the Hungarian word for
                                      > shepherd, "pasztor"
                                      > > > (misspelled as "pastyr" in this document) can also be seen.
                                      I
                                      > > have
                                      > > > tried to translate the term used with the two families at
                                      the
                                      > > bottom
                                      > > > of the page but have not been able to find it. It appears to
                                      > > > be "zoljar" but I can't find anything like this in either
                                      > Slovak
                                      > > or
                                      > > > Hungarian dictionaries. Does anyone recognize this word? The
                                      > > other
                                      > > > thing that appears is the abbreviation "ev" which indicates
                                      > that
                                      > > they
                                      > > > were members of the Lutheran Church.
                                      > > > I'd appreciate any suggestions.
                                      > > > Carl
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > To unsubscribe from this group, go to
                                      > > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/SLOVAK-ROOTS -or- send
                                      blank
                                      > > email
                                      > > > to SLOVAK-ROOTS-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
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                                    • Nick Holcz
                                      ... So what was rude about that. Never mind Europeans being more direct I am Australian and I am very direct,I don t reply to anything anonymous. Vladimir is
                                      Message 18 of 25 , Nov 1, 2006
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                                        At 01:46 PM 1/11/2006, you wrote:

                                        >Carl,
                                        >
                                        >I found the reply direct and no-nonsense,


                                        So what was rude about that. Never mind Europeans being more direct I
                                        am Australian and I am very direct,I don't reply to anything anonymous.

                                        Vladimir is one of the good guys, he doesn't need defence from me but
                                        he gets it anyway.

                                        Nick
                                      • Dr. Joe Q.
                                        RUDE a word that is frequently thrown out but little understood. TRITE, SHORT, MISUNDERSTOOD Perhaps, but rude is rarely used in proper context. Generally it
                                        Message 19 of 25 , Nov 1, 2006
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                                          RUDE

                                          a word that is frequently thrown out but little understood.

                                          TRITE, SHORT, MISUNDERSTOOD

                                          Perhaps, but rude is rarely used in proper context. Generally it is used
                                          in an accusatory format as a defensive response to something that was
                                          not expected.

                                          Never the less one of the best internet precepts is:

                                          Do not annoy and do not be easily annoyed.

                                          Valdimir Bohinc has provided years of advice and information to list
                                          members (would you believe that this is not the only list he belongs
                                          to???). He is a professional genealogist, he has the capability to solve
                                          a mystery that Perry Mason, Columbo, and the Defenders could not handle.
                                          He is a sincere and dedicated worker, you can trust him to do his best
                                          and he will probably charge you less than his stated fees.

                                          He not only likes to know the identity of his clients, it is necessary
                                          to know this conduct his research.

                                          He is no more rude or unfamiliar with the habits of “Americans”. The
                                          Eastern European way of thinking is not materially different than those
                                          of us in the USA.

                                          This has become much ado about nothing.

                                          Dr. “Q

                                          Carl Kotlarchik wrote:

                                          >This is an example of what I consider a rude reply. I now recognize
                                          >that the word is probably "zeliar". But my inquiry was legitimate
                                          >and did not deserve the rude and patronizing reply that I
                                          >received. This has got to stop. I am a proud Slovak who will not
                                          >be treated as a second class person. No one in this group should be
                                          >afraid to post a question for fear of being insulted by
                                          >the "professionals".
                                          >
                                          >I believe my questions are presented in a dignified and polite
                                          >manner. I expect the same type of reply and so should everyone else
                                          >in this group.
                                          >Carl Kotlarchik
                                          >
                                          >--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Vladimir Bohinc" <konekta@...>
                                          >wrote:
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >>Dear Carl,
                                          >>Please, please. This is not a subject which allows second opinion.
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >Waste of time. Zeliar is what I said; a man who only owed a house.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >>Zelezar ( from zelezo=iron in slovenian or zeljezo in croat) is a
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >ironworker, but all this has nothing to do with you.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >>Vladimir
                                          >>
                                          >> ----- Original Message -----
                                          >> From: Carl Kotlarchik
                                          >> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                          >> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:36 PM
                                          >> Subject: Re: [S-R] Unknown occupation
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> Thanks very much for the replies. Someone has also suggested off-
                                          >> line to me that this word could be "z'eljar" or someone who
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >mines
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >> iron ore or is involved with the making of steel. But I don't
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >know
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >> what language that would be. Actually, if this is a word for a
                                          >> miner, then it would make sense in my g-grandfather's case. The
                                          >> family came from Gomor county which is in the ore mountains. So,
                                          >> there was mining all around my ancestor's villages. My
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >grandmother
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >> also once told me that her father worked in a guarry. So, this
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >would
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >> fit. But the on-line dictionaries list "banik" as the word for
                                          >> miner in Slovak and "ba'nya'sz" in Hungarian. Does anyone else
                                          >> recognize the word "z'eljar" as possibly "iron ore miner".
                                          >> Carl
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Armata, Joseph R.
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >(JArmata)"
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >> <JArmata@> wrote:
                                          >> >
                                          >> > That's the same as zeliar, or zseller in Hungarian, or
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >inquilinus
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >> in
                                          >> > Latin - someone who owns his house and just a very small plot
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >of
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >> land.
                                          >> > In English sometimes called a cotter.
                                          >> >
                                          >> > Joe
                                          >> >
                                          >> > -----Original Message-----
                                          >> > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                          >> > [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Carl
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >Kotlarchik
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:54 AM
                                          >> > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                          >> > Subject: [S-R] Unknown occupation
                                          >> >
                                          >> >
                                          >> > I have placed a portion of one of my family church documents
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >in
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >> the
                                          >> > files section of this site. It is labeled as "Unknown
                                          >> occupation".
                                          >> > Next to the names of the parents are the occupations of the
                                          >> > individuals. Most of the names and occupations are written in
                                          >> Slovak
                                          >> > but some are in Hungarian. The Slovak word for farm-
                                          >> hand, "rolnik"
                                          >> > can be seen. But also the Hungarian word for
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >shepherd, "pasztor"
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >> > (misspelled as "pastyr" in this document) can also be seen. I
                                          >> have
                                          >> > tried to translate the term used with the two families at the
                                          >> bottom
                                          >> > of the page but have not been able to find it. It appears to
                                          >> > be "zoljar" but I can't find anything like this in either
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >Slovak
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >> or
                                          >> > Hungarian dictionaries. Does anyone recognize this word? The
                                          >> other
                                          >> > thing that appears is the abbreviation "ev" which indicates
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >that
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >> they
                                          >> > were members of the Lutheran Church.
                                          >> > I'd appreciate any suggestions.
                                          >> > Carl
                                          >>
                                          >
                                          >
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