RE: [S-R] Hungarian and Slovak Nobility
- There is some information--not a lot. The first name is associated with
Temes megye. The spelling Ovcharovics is listed as an alias of Farkas. There
is more under the Olcsarovics spelling, all related to Demeter Olcsarovics
in the 16th century.
I found the spelling Illia associated only with the Slovak village by that
name in Hont megye. Illya, however, is listed as a noble name. Siebmacher's
Wappenbuch illustrates the coat of arms conferred on Stefan Illya de
Magyargáld in 1649. Magyargáld is also known as Alsógáld, in present-day
I don't see any further information on these families, unless there are
alternative spellings I haven't tried. I will send you the Illya coat of
arms privately. Let me know if you want the Hungarian text on Demeter
- It has her listed as Ilona/Julia, presumably because
of the tendency to give the Hungarian form of names.
It is unfortunate that this print-off of the parish
register is so difficult to read. The original was bad
enough, but this print-off is slightly worse.
--- Vladimir Bohinc <konekta@...> wrote:
> Dear James,__________________________________________________
> I do not see, where you see Julia. I reat Ilona at
> best. Her father was Antal Hajder and mother was
> Terez. The surname of this mother is impossible to
> identify absolutely correctly, because there are too
> many possibilities. But, an extisting surname
> Tomanik in Rajecke Teplice seems to be very close.
> Janos Hajder was a brick layer. HIs wife was Maria
> Gabor was born in Kosice and Ilona was born in
> Rajecke Teplice.
> I also see, you are obsessed with this Germany. You
> have enough data to look at the church records,
> finally. There, with marriage records, there you
> have a chance to see where the Hajder was from .
> Especially, when he came straight from the Germany,
> it will be noted there. If not, then he came from
> another village, which maybe had a significant
> number of german population and in such case, it is
> usually known, where did they come from.
> In general, languages spoken in towns were hungarian
> and german. Very little slovak, because there were
> not very many Slovaks in towns.
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