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Zips and Donauschwaben Area Connections

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  • Thomas Reimer
    There is a more close connection in many cases. After the Turks withdrew, the rather empty area was resettled by all ethnic groups from the Kingdom of Hungary
    Message 1 of 1 , Dec 5, 2004
      There is a more close connection in many cases. After the Turks withdrew,
      the rather empty area was resettled by all ethnic groups from the Kingdom of
      Hungary and from the German Empire (since the Habsburg had that job, too).
      Among the settlers were also Slovaks, esp. around Petrovac.

      The Donauschwaben had their own ethnic identity. But they did not produce
      ministers in large numbers, the farms being too rich--why become a Lutheran
      minister paid a pittance when you can farm a rich 100 acres of wheat. In the
      Zips, to become a minister was always a step up for young men toiling on
      small and stony farms. In the Vojvodina, it was not always a step up. And so
      many Lutheran ministers from the Zips worked in the Banat and the Batschka.
      So did mein great-grandfather, who moved from Bierbrunn (Vibornej), where he
      had been minister from 1890 to 1913, to Bulkes in the Batschka (today Maglic
      in the Vojvodina). His predecessor there had been a Zipser, too. So were the
      two other ministers who competed for the job. When he died, most of his
      children had moved back to what had in 1919 become part of Czechoslovakia,
      but some children married and stayed in the Batschka. I'm sure that happened
      not only in my family.


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: <krisstrot@...>
      To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 11:18 AM
      Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: a town

      > In a message dated 12/5/2004 7:59:52 AM Central Standard Time,
      > frankur@... writes:
      > >>At this time most of Syrmia apart from the extreme eastern
      > portion joined the new nation of Yugoslavia as part of the Treaty of
      > Trianon (June 4, 1920) to become part of the Vojvodina autonomous
      > region of the Serbian Republic. <<
      > Hi, Frank ... Interesting that you mention Vojvodina and Donauschwaben
      > I hadn't thought to mention this part of my family history here (instead,
      > concentrating on my Grandfather's family in the Szepes area), but I guess
      > Grandmother also qualifies for Slovak-Roots. My Grandmother (born
      > Scharf) was also a German, who lived in a German town, who spoke German
      > considered herself a German, but who happened to be a citizen of Hungary
      because she
      > lived in the Vojvodina area of what is now the Serbian Republic. Her town
      > was Crvenka (aka Cservenka or Tscherwenka) and she was a Donauschwaben. I
      > had little luck finding birth, marriage and death records from this town,
      > have come to understand they were lost after WWII. What information I
      > been able to find (Angela Hefner at
      > http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/AKdFF/CDROM-e.htm) hasn't helped much
      (except to show her father's original ancestral
      > connection to the village at its founding in 1785). I wonder if there are
      > civil records available, and if this area is part of the 1869 Hungarian
      > Anyone know?
      > Kris
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