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  • maze_r@hotmail.com
    Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day of joining and a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907 like previous email
    Message 1 of 21 , Jun 7, 2004
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      Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day of joining and a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907 like previous email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to the family



      David
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Bill Tarkulich
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
      Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military


      David,
      Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective present-day
      nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then everything is in
      Vienna.
      Suggest you start with this material and read all the links too:
      http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm

      Phone books:
      Slovakia - instructions and links:
      http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
      Czech Republic - instructions and links
      http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm

      Good luck,


      ______________
      Bill Tarkulich




      -----Original Message-----
      From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
      Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [S-R] Austria Military


      K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I would have to
      contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available about a
      relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the Kondrc, dont have
      exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).

      Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
      (and directions if they arent in english?)

      David Decker
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Frank
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
      Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia


      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
      > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you could count
      the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its coming from a
      book and they had to be carefull on what information wa said. I have
      to think its near bratislava though because she refers to it alot as
      town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring anybells?
      >
      > These is for a Branch of one of the families
      >
      > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or not
      > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was married to a
      Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe. From a
      SS-5 form its says Brestovany
      >
      > Ok well thanks again

      The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles ENE of
      Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any located just NE
      of Brestovany.

      The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc under Trvana.
      The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
      The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.

      Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from Canada.
      There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in Canada) and a
      Peter (in Canada)
      >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk) Jecenye (H) east
      of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.

      One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant 'chicken soup'.
      Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning chicken, hen.
      In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)

      Although my surname is similar there is no connection.

      Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY surnames
      Kuracina.
      The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada 1910-1919.
      Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina in New York
      State.
      A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a lawyer ?

      Frank K
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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    • Bill Tarkulich
      David, What do you mean a day of joining ? Records are organized first by year, then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know the district,
      Message 2 of 21 , Jun 7, 2004
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        David,
        What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are organized first by year,
        then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know the district,
        it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
        There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to approach the correct
        national archive.

        ______________
        Bill Tarkulich




        -----Original Message-----
        From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
        Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


        Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day of joining and
        a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907 like previous
        email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to the family



        David
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Bill Tarkulich
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
        Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military


        David,
        Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective present-day
        nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then everything is in
        Vienna.
        Suggest you start with this material and read all the links too:
        http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm

        Phone books:
        Slovakia - instructions and links:
        http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
        Czech Republic - instructions and links
        http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm

        Good luck,


        ______________
        Bill Tarkulich




        -----Original Message-----
        From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
        Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [S-R] Austria Military


        K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I would have to
        contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available about a
        relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the Kondrc, dont have
        exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).

        Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
        (and directions if they arent in english?)

        David Decker
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Frank
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia


        --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
        > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you could count
        the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its coming from a
        book and they had to be carefull on what information wa said. I have
        to think its near bratislava though because she refers to it alot as
        town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring anybells?
        >
        > These is for a Branch of one of the families
        >
        > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or not
        > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was married to a
        Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe. From a
        SS-5 form its says Brestovany
        >
        > Ok well thanks again

        The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles ENE of
        Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any located just NE
        of Brestovany.

        The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc under Trvana.
        The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
        The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.

        Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from Canada.
        There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in Canada) and a
        Peter (in Canada)
        >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk) Jecenye (H) east
        of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.

        One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant 'chicken soup'.
        Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning chicken, hen.
        In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)

        Although my surname is similar there is no connection.

        Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY surnames
        Kuracina.
        The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada 1910-1919.
        Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina in New York
        State.
        A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a lawyer ?

        Frank K
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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      • maze_r@hotmail.com
        Well actually all i know is the year and the possible location (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I know my line of Kondrcs are
        Message 3 of 21 , Jun 7, 2004
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          Well actually all i know is the year and the possible location (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically hoping that Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917 from the book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to figure out how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her fathers name to begin with might be a start.

          Well thats about it for now that i Can think off, thanks for all the good info so far, really wish i was closer or had some time to get over to Slovakia.

          David
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Bill Tarkulich
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
          Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military


          David,
          What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are organized first by year,
          then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know the district,
          it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
          There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to approach the correct
          national archive.

          ______________
          Bill Tarkulich




          -----Original Message-----
          From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
          Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


          Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day of joining and
          a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907 like previous
          email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to the family



          David
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Bill Tarkulich
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
          Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military


          David,
          Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective present-day
          nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then everything is in
          Vienna.
          Suggest you start with this material and read all the links too:
          http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm

          Phone books:
          Slovakia - instructions and links:
          http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
          Czech Republic - instructions and links
          http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm

          Good luck,


          ______________
          Bill Tarkulich




          -----Original Message-----
          From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
          Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [S-R] Austria Military


          K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I would have to
          contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available about a
          relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the Kondrc, dont have
          exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).

          Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
          (and directions if they arent in english?)

          David Decker
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Frank
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
          Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia


          --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
          > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you could count
          the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its coming from a
          book and they had to be carefull on what information wa said. I have
          to think its near bratislava though because she refers to it alot as
          town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring anybells?
          >
          > These is for a Branch of one of the families
          >
          > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or not
          > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was married to a
          Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe. From a
          SS-5 form its says Brestovany
          >
          > Ok well thanks again

          The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles ENE of
          Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any located just NE
          of Brestovany.

          The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc under Trvana.
          The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
          The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.

          Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from Canada.
          There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in Canada) and a
          Peter (in Canada)
          >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk) Jecenye (H) east
          of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.

          One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant 'chicken soup'.
          Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning chicken, hen.
          In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)

          Although my surname is similar there is no connection.

          Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY surnames
          Kuracina.
          The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada 1910-1919.
          Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina in New York
          State.
          A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a lawyer ?

          Frank K
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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        • Bill Tarkulich
          Military records are not much help in establishing lineage. They mostly show the name, village and next of kin (typically a parent). Take a look at some
          Message 4 of 21 , Jun 8, 2004
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            Military records are not much help in establishing lineage. They mostly
            show the name, village and next of kin (typically a parent). Take a
            look at some sample records here
            http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm
            which examples represent the Snina Military district in present-day
            Slovakia.
            Good Luck,
            Bill Tarkulich

            -----Original Message-----
            From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
            Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 11:43 PM
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


            Well actually all i know is the year and the possible location
            (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I know
            my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically hoping that
            Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917 from the
            book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to figure out
            how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her fathers name
            to begin with might be a start.

            Well thats about it for now that i Can think off, thanks for all the
            good info so far, really wish i was closer or had some time to get over
            to Slovakia.

            David
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Bill Tarkulich
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
            Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military


            David,
            What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are organized first by
            year,
            then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know the
            district,
            it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
            There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to approach the
            correct
            national archive.

            ______________
            Bill Tarkulich




            -----Original Message-----
            From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
            Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


            Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day of
            joining and
            a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907 like
            previous
            email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to the family



            David
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Bill Tarkulich
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
            Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military


            David,
            Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective
            present-day
            nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then everything is
            in
            Vienna.
            Suggest you start with this material and read all the links too:
            http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm

            Phone books:
            Slovakia - instructions and links:
            http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
            Czech Republic - instructions and links
            http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm

            Good luck,


            ______________
            Bill Tarkulich




            -----Original Message-----
            From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
            Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [S-R] Austria Military


            K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I would
            have to
            contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available about a
            relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the Kondrc, dont
            have
            exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).

            Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
            (and directions if they arent in english?)

            David Decker
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Frank
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
            Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia


            --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
            > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you could
            count
            the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its coming
            from a
            book and they had to be carefull on what information wa said. I
            have
            to think its near bratislava though because she refers to it alot
            as
            town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring
            anybells?
            >
            > These is for a Branch of one of the families
            >
            > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or not
            > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was married
            to a
            Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe. From a

            SS-5 form its says Brestovany
            >
            > Ok well thanks again

            The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles ENE of
            Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any located just
            NE
            of Brestovany.

            The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc under
            Trvana.
            The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
            The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.

            Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from Canada.
            There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in Canada) and
            a
            Peter (in Canada)
            >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk) Jecenye (H)
            east
            of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.

            One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant 'chicken
            soup'.
            Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning chicken,
            hen.
            In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)

            Although my surname is similar there is no connection.

            Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY surnames
            Kuracina.
            The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada 1910-1919.
            Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina in New
            York
            State.
            A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a lawyer ?

            Frank K
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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          • Frank
            ... (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically hoping that Cecilia Kondrc
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              --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
              > Well actually all i know is the year and the possible location
              (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I
              know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically hoping that
              Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917 from the
              book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to figure out
              how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her fathers
              name to begin with might be a start.

              Dave

              So your grandfather was Frank Kondrc.
              Who was Anna Kondrc (1890-1980) ? perhaps née (maiden name) Benyak ?
              Thew other surname posted was Benjak.
              In Slavic languages and Hungarian the letter j is pron. y.
              PA as in Kittanning ?

              So Lejskove must be located near Nyitra ?
              Perhaps it was actually Lajosfalu, Lojschow, Lajosfalva, Lajos,
              Lojschow, Lajos^ová, now called L'udovítová and located 5 miles north
              of Nitra.

              v
              Frank Kurcina


              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Bill Tarkulich
              > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
              > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
              >
              >
              > David,
              > What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are organized first
              by year,
              > then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know the
              district,
              > it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
              > There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to approach
              the correct
              > national archive.
              >
              > ______________
              > Bill Tarkulich
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
              > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
              > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
              >
              >
              > Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day of
              joining and
              > a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907 like
              previous
              > email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to the
              family
              >
              >
              >
              > David
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Bill Tarkulich
              > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
              > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
              >
              >
              > David,
              > Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective
              present-day
              > nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then
              everything is in
              > Vienna.
              > Suggest you start with this material and read all the links too:
              >
              http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm
              >
              > Phone books:
              > Slovakia - instructions and links:
              > http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
              > Czech Republic - instructions and links
              > http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm
              >
              > Good luck,
              >
              >
              > ______________
              > Bill Tarkulich
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
              > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
              > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: [S-R] Austria Military
              >
              >
              > K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I would
              have to
              > contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available
              about a
              > relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the Kondrc,
              dont have
              > exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).
              >
              > Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
              > (and directions if they arent in english?)
              >
              > David Decker
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Frank
              > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
              > Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia
              >
              >
              > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
              > > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you could
              count
              > the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its
              coming from a
              > book and they had to be carefull on what information wa said.
              I have
              > to think its near bratislava though because she refers to it
              alot as
              > town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring
              anybells?
              > >
              > > These is for a Branch of one of the families
              > >
              > > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or not
              > > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was
              married to a
              > Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe.
              From a
              > SS-5 form its says Brestovany
              > >
              > > Ok well thanks again
              >
              > The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles ENE
              of
              > Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any located
              just NE
              > of Brestovany.
              >
              > The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc under
              Trvana.
              > The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
              > The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.
              >
              > Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from
              Canada.
              > There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in Canada)
              and a
              > Peter (in Canada)
              > >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk) Jecenye
              (H) east
              > of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.
              >
              > One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant
              'chicken soup'.
              > Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning chicken,
              hen.
              > In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)
              >
              > Although my surname is similar there is no connection.
              >
              > Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY surnames
              > Kuracina.
              > The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada
              1910-1919.
              > Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina in
              New York
              > State.
              > A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a lawyer
              ?
              >
              > Frank K
              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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            • maze_r@hotmail.com
              Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa for a bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of Kittianning. Anna s maiden name
              Message 6 of 21 , Jun 8, 2004
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                Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa for a bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of Kittianning. Anna's maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents names where Paul Benjak and Maria Lisciski.

                So we have
                Micheal Kondrc + Maria Kuracina (Houibe)sp. Brestovany) we had a discussion on what the H was a while back. but we figured we could read brestovany at the least.
                -- Steve Kondrc - Came to America 1906 from the 1930 Census form (married in 1907 in Cherolio PA)


                Paul Benjak + Maria Lisciski Lejskove, Czechslovakia
                -- Anna Benjak - came to america in 1907 from the 1930 Census form

                Steve + Anna

                Frank Kondrc married a Jolan Maczek
                ----ect ect ect

                Going to try and scan some of the SS-5 Forms so maybe others can get a better look at it.

                as a side note
                can anyone tell me about this I found a Beyk, Anna on roughly 18 yrs old on a ship out of Bremen that arrivede Aug 7, 1907 not sure if its her. But its the closest thing i can find. And i cant few the orginal because i guess its not scanned at the moment.


                Galicy Austria Lysakow, galicy

                ----- Original Message -----

                From: Frank
                To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:07 PM
                Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


                --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                > Well actually all i know is the year and the possible location
                (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I
                know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically hoping that
                Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917 from the
                book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to figure out
                how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her fathers
                name to begin with might be a start.

                Dave

                So your grandfather was Frank Kondrc.
                Who was Anna Kondrc (1890-1980) ? perhaps née (maiden name) Benyak ?
                Thew other surname posted was Benjak.
                In Slavic languages and Hungarian the letter j is pron. y.
                PA as in Kittanning ?

                So Lejskove must be located near Nyitra ?
                Perhaps it was actually Lajosfalu, Lojschow, Lajosfalva, Lajos,
                Lojschow, Lajos^ová, now called L'udovítová and located 5 miles north
                of Nitra.

                v
                Frank Kurcina


                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Bill Tarkulich
                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
                > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                >
                >
                > David,
                > What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are organized first
                by year,
                > then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know the
                district,
                > it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
                > There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to approach
                the correct
                > national archive.
                >
                > ______________
                > Bill Tarkulich
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                >
                >
                > Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day of
                joining and
                > a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907 like
                previous
                > email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to the
                family
                >
                >
                >
                > David
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Bill Tarkulich
                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
                > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                >
                >
                > David,
                > Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective
                present-day
                > nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then
                everything is in
                > Vienna.
                > Suggest you start with this material and read all the links too:
                >
                http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm
                >
                > Phone books:
                > Slovakia - instructions and links:
                > http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
                > Czech Republic - instructions and links
                > http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm
                >
                > Good luck,
                >
                >
                > ______________
                > Bill Tarkulich
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [S-R] Austria Military
                >
                >
                > K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I would
                have to
                > contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available
                about a
                > relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the Kondrc,
                dont have
                > exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).
                >
                > Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
                > (and directions if they arent in english?)
                >
                > David Decker
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Frank
                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
                > Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia
                >
                >
                > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                > > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you could
                count
                > the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its
                coming from a
                > book and they had to be carefull on what information wa said.
                I have
                > to think its near bratislava though because she refers to it
                alot as
                > town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring
                anybells?
                > >
                > > These is for a Branch of one of the families
                > >
                > > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or not
                > > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was
                married to a
                > Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe.
                From a
                > SS-5 form its says Brestovany
                > >
                > > Ok well thanks again
                >
                > The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles ENE
                of
                > Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any located
                just NE
                > of Brestovany.
                >
                > The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc under
                Trvana.
                > The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
                > The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.
                >
                > Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from
                Canada.
                > There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in Canada)
                and a
                > Peter (in Canada)
                > >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk) Jecenye
                (H) east
                > of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.
                >
                > One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant
                'chicken soup'.
                > Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning chicken,
                hen.
                > In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)
                >
                > Although my surname is similar there is no connection.
                >
                > Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY surnames
                > Kuracina.
                > The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada
                1910-1919.
                > Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina in
                New York
                > State.
                > A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a lawyer
                ?
                >
                > Frank K
                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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              • Frank
                ... bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of Kittianning. Anna s maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents names where Paul Benjak
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                  --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                  > Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa for a
                  bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of Kittianning.
                  Anna's maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents names
                  where Paul Benjak and Maria Lisciski.
                  >
                  > So we have
                  > Micheal Kondrc + Maria Kuracina (Houibe)sp. Brestovany) we had
                  a discussion on what the H was a while back. but we figured we could
                  read brestovany at the least.
                  > -- Steve Kondrc - Came to America 1906 from the 1930 Census form
                  (married in 1907 in Cherolio PA)
                  >
                  >
                  > Paul Benjak + Maria Lisciski Lejskove, Czechslovakia
                  > -- Anna Benjak - came to america in 1907 from the 1930 Census form
                  >
                  > Steve + Anna
                  >
                  > Frank Kondrc married a Jolan Maczek
                  > ----ect ect ect
                  >
                  > Going to try and scan some of the SS-5 Forms so maybe others can get
                  a better look at it.
                  >
                  > as a side note
                  > can anyone tell me about this I found a Beyk, Anna on roughly 18
                  yrs old on a ship out of Bremen that arrivede Aug 7, 1907 not sure if
                  its her. But its the closest thing i can find. And i cant few the
                  orginal because i guess its not scanned at the moment.
                  >
                  >
                  > Galicy Austria Lysakow, galicy

                  David

                  Many Polish surnames end in -ski or -cki.
                  In older records you sometimes read -sky (before spelling rules
                  were adapted); but in recent times tendency to insist on -ski.
                  Probably a possessive affix added to name which evolved from person's
                  characteristics (such as 'tall, short, etc.), occupation, or place
                  of residence.
                  In Czech and Slovak, the -sky is akin to the Polish -ski, while -cky
                  is similar to Polish -cki.
                  Lisciski might have been spelled Liseiski or Liseski or some other
                  spelling ?

                  EIR list 53 surnames Benyak and 30 surnames Benjak.
                  Anna was listed with the Dutch surnames Beyk in EIR which was not
                  unusual with Eastern European names, especially if Polish.
                  The Anna Beyk, age 18 (b. abt. 1899) from Lysakow, Galicia looks like
                  her entry to US.
                  No image copy of ship manifest so only know her Last Residence in
                  Europe.

                  There are 5 Lysakow located in Poland.
                  Polish y is pron. i and letter w is pron. v.
                  Expect it is the one located 132 miles south of Warszawa and near
                  Tarnow in SE poland and not far from the currnet NE Slovakia border.

                  How are you ? English

                  Wie geht es Ihnen ? German

                  Hogy Van ? Hungarian

                  Ako sa más^ ? Slovak

                  Jak sie masz ? Polish

                  Bsides a Katarina Kondrc, Slovak, who emigrated from Buc^any in 1921
                  there were two surnames Sokolowski who traveled with her to US.
                  They went to b-i-l Jakub Trubacik in St. Louis, MO.

                  Jolan looks like a short form of Polish first name Jolanta, Jolenta
                  (Yolanda)- Saint.

                  Charleroi was located in Washington CO south of Pittsburgh and between
                  Cokesburg and Donora PA .

                  Ford City and Kittanning in Armstrong CO located north of
                  Pittsburgh.


                  >From the late 1700s until the end of WW I, Poland did not exist as a
                  country. It was divided among the Russian, German (Prussian), and
                  Austrian Empires.
                  The southern Polish territories around Kraków and Lwów were
                  incorporated into the Austrian Empire and renamed "Galicia".

                  By the First Partition of Poland (1792), Austria had obtained Galicia
                  (consisting of Red Russia, the city of Lemberg [Lwów], a part of
                  western Podolia, and southern Little Poland). Austria did not take
                  any Polish land in the Second Partition. During the Third Partition
                  1795) of Poland, Austria took the remainder of Little Poland and
                  Kraków.

                  Galicia was formerly a Austrian Crownland and part of Austro-Hungarian
                  Monarchy(1867-1918). Sometimes referred to as Austrian Poland.
                  Other names for the area were Galicja (Polish), Galizien (German),
                  Halychyna (Ukrainian) and Rus Halicka (Polish).

                  In 1918, Galicia was annexed to Poland as "Malopolska" (Little
                  Poland).
                  After the 1939 partition of Poland by Germany and Russia, East Galicia
                  became part of Ukraine while West Galicia remained in Poland.
                  Its former territories are now shared between southern Poland and
                  western Ukraine.

                  > From: Frank
                  > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:07 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                  > > Well actually all i know is the year and the possible location
                  > (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I
                  > know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically hoping
                  that
                  > Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917 from
                  the
                  > book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to figure
                  out
                  > how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her
                  fathers
                  > name to begin with might be a start.
                  >
                  > Dave
                  >
                  > So your grandfather was Frank Kondrc.
                  > Who was Anna Kondrc (1890-1980) ? perhaps née (maiden name) Benyak
                  ?
                  > Thew other surname posted was Benjak.
                  > In Slavic languages and Hungarian the letter j is pron. y.
                  > PA as in Kittanning ?
                  >
                  > So Lejskove must be located near Nyitra ?
                  > Perhaps it was actually Lajosfalu, Lojschow, Lajosfalva, Lajos,
                  > Lojschow, Lajos^ová, now called L'udovítová and located 5 miles
                  north
                  > of Nitra.
                  >
                  > v
                  > Frank Kurcina
                  >
                  >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                  > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
                  > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > David,
                  > > What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are organized
                  first
                  > by year,
                  > > then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know
                  the
                  > district,
                  > > it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
                  > > There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to
                  approach
                  > the correct
                  > > national archive.
                  > >
                  > > ______________
                  > > Bill Tarkulich
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > -----Original Message-----
                  > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                  > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
                  > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day
                  of
                  > joining and
                  > > a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907
                  like
                  > previous
                  > > email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to
                  the
                  > family
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > David
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                  > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
                  > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > David,
                  > > Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective
                  > present-day
                  > > nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then
                  > everything is in
                  > > Vienna.
                  > > Suggest you start with this material and read all the links
                  too:
                  > >
                  >
                  http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm
                  > >
                  > > Phone books:
                  > > Slovakia - instructions and links:
                  > > http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
                  > > Czech Republic - instructions and links
                  > > http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm
                  > >
                  > > Good luck,
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ______________
                  > > Bill Tarkulich
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > -----Original Message-----
                  > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                  > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
                  > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Subject: [S-R] Austria Military
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I
                  would
                  > have to
                  > > contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available
                  > about a
                  > > relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the
                  Kondrc,
                  > dont have
                  > > exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).
                  > >
                  > > Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
                  > > (and directions if they arent in english?)
                  > >
                  > > David Decker
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: Frank
                  > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
                  > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                  > > > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you
                  could
                  > count
                  > > the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its
                  > coming from a
                  > > book and they had to be carefull on what information wa
                  said.
                  > I have
                  > > to think its near bratislava though because she refers to
                  it
                  > alot as
                  > > town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring
                  > anybells?
                  > > >
                  > > > These is for a Branch of one of the families
                  > > >
                  > > > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or
                  not
                  > > > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was
                  > married to a
                  > > Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe.

                  > From a
                  > > SS-5 form its says Brestovany
                  > > >
                  > > > Ok well thanks again
                  > >
                  > > The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles
                  ENE
                  > of
                  > > Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any
                  located
                  > just NE
                  > > of Brestovany.
                  > >
                  > > The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc
                  under
                  > Trvana.
                  > > The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
                  > > The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.
                  > >
                  > > Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from
                  > Canada.
                  > > There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in
                  Canada)
                  > and a
                  > > Peter (in Canada)
                  > > >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk)
                  Jecenye
                  > (H) east
                  > > of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.
                  > >
                  > > One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant
                  > 'chicken soup'.
                  > > Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning
                  chicken,
                  > hen.
                  > > In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)
                  > >
                  > > Although my surname is similar there is no connection.
                  > >
                  > > Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY
                  surnames
                  > > Kuracina.
                  > > The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada
                  > 1910-1919.
                  > > Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina
                  in
                  > New York
                  > > State.
                  > > A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a
                  lawyer
                  > ?
                  > >
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                • William F Brna
                  Charleroi, PA, is located in Washington County, four miles south of Monongahela, PA. It is not near Cokeburg (not Cokesburg). There is an attorney with an
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                    Charleroi, PA, is located in Washington County, four miles south of
                    Monongahela, PA. It is not near Cokeburg (not Cokesburg). There is an
                    attorney with an office in Charleroi, named Alan Benyak. Also, there was
                    an RC Church in Charleroi, known as SS Cyril and Methodius. It is no
                    longer active, but the church records are now maintained by Mary, Mother
                    of the Church. SS Cyril and Methodius Church was my family's home
                    parish.

                    William F. Brna

                    On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:28:36 -0000 "Frank" <frankur@...>
                    writes:
                    > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                    > > Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa for
                    > a
                    > bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of Kittianning.
                    >
                    > Anna's maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents names
                    >
                    > where Paul Benjak and Maria Lisciski.
                    > >
                    > > So we have
                    > > Micheal Kondrc + Maria Kuracina (Houibe)sp. Brestovany) we
                    > had
                    > a discussion on what the H was a while back. but we figured we
                    > could
                    > read brestovany at the least.
                    > > -- Steve Kondrc - Came to America 1906 from the 1930 Census form
                    >
                    > (married in 1907 in Cherolio PA)
                    > >
                    > > Paul Benjak + Maria Lisciski Lejskove, Czechslovakia
                    > > -- Anna Benjak - came to america in 1907 from the 1930 Census
                    > form

                    > Charleroi was located in Washington CO south of Pittsburgh and
                    > between
                    > Cokesburg and Donora PA .
                    >
                  • maze_r@hotmail.com
                    Thanks Frank and William. I think Steve and Anna are buried in Ford City @ Holy Trinity if my memory serves me. Well i scanned the Ss-5 forms does anyone
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                      Thanks Frank and William. I think Steve and Anna are buried in Ford City @ Holy Trinity if my memory serves me. Well i scanned the Ss-5 forms does anyone want to take a gander at them to see if they can gleam anything else off it.

                      As for Jolan she was born in Prague to an Elly Perutz and Walter maczek. Found living Maczek in berlin. Walter died in a car accident in Carrcicone France (sp). Elly married like 3 times. Elly Perutz (maiden), Elly Maczek, Elly Elliman (last know name) and one more which eludes me but have it written down somewhere. Jolan is my grandmother and still alive so i can get some good info. She came to america via Hallifax so I am trying to get the papers from that but have not had the time to look it up. She came on the MS Erria.

                      There is only 1 Kondrc that I know left in America, and she is around 93 i think. We try and get as much info as we can from here.

                      Im not sure if Anna/Steve came throught Ellis Island. *i did do the missing manifest search for Anna Beyk name but there was no listing saw a few of the pages from the Krown Prince Willhelm.

                      On a side note I also have like a 5 page thing from the austrain army saying that my great great grandfather Maczek was a noble or knighted for his duties (in german). And I know that Cecilia's father was in the military (which is the only way right now i can get his name).

                      Michael in Slovak would be?
                      Steve in Slovak would be?
                      Maria in Slovak would be?

                      not sure if any of the names change.

                      I remember reading somewhere that the female version of a name adds ova in slovak? and Frank added the sky info.


                      Maybe that might help me in my quest?
                      Thanks for the continued help

                      David Decker
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Frank
                      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:28 AM
                      Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


                      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                      > Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa for a
                      bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of Kittianning.
                      Anna's maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents names
                      where Paul Benjak and Maria Lisciski.
                      >
                      > So we have
                      > Micheal Kondrc + Maria Kuracina (Houibe)sp. Brestovany) we had
                      a discussion on what the H was a while back. but we figured we could
                      read brestovany at the least.
                      > -- Steve Kondrc - Came to America 1906 from the 1930 Census form
                      (married in 1907 in Cherolio PA)
                      >
                      >
                      > Paul Benjak + Maria Lisciski Lejskove, Czechslovakia
                      > -- Anna Benjak - came to america in 1907 from the 1930 Census form
                      >
                      > Steve + Anna
                      >
                      > Frank Kondrc married a Jolan Maczek
                      > ----ect ect ect
                      >
                      > Going to try and scan some of the SS-5 Forms so maybe others can get
                      a better look at it.
                      >
                      > as a side note
                      > can anyone tell me about this I found a Beyk, Anna on roughly 18
                      yrs old on a ship out of Bremen that arrivede Aug 7, 1907 not sure if
                      its her. But its the closest thing i can find. And i cant few the
                      orginal because i guess its not scanned at the moment.
                      >
                      >
                      > Galicy Austria Lysakow, galicy

                      David

                      Many Polish surnames end in -ski or -cki.
                      In older records you sometimes read -sky (before spelling rules
                      were adapted); but in recent times tendency to insist on -ski.
                      Probably a possessive affix added to name which evolved from person's
                      characteristics (such as 'tall, short, etc.), occupation, or place
                      of residence.
                      In Czech and Slovak, the -sky is akin to the Polish -ski, while -cky
                      is similar to Polish -cki.
                      Lisciski might have been spelled Liseiski or Liseski or some other
                      spelling ?

                      EIR list 53 surnames Benyak and 30 surnames Benjak.
                      Anna was listed with the Dutch surnames Beyk in EIR which was not
                      unusual with Eastern European names, especially if Polish.
                      The Anna Beyk, age 18 (b. abt. 1899) from Lysakow, Galicia looks like
                      her entry to US.
                      No image copy of ship manifest so only know her Last Residence in
                      Europe.

                      There are 5 Lysakow located in Poland.
                      Polish y is pron. i and letter w is pron. v.
                      Expect it is the one located 132 miles south of Warszawa and near
                      Tarnow in SE poland and not far from the currnet NE Slovakia border.

                      How are you ? English

                      Wie geht es Ihnen ? German

                      Hogy Van ? Hungarian

                      Ako sa más^ ? Slovak

                      Jak sie masz ? Polish

                      Bsides a Katarina Kondrc, Slovak, who emigrated from Buc^any in 1921
                      there were two surnames Sokolowski who traveled with her to US.
                      They went to b-i-l Jakub Trubacik in St. Louis, MO.

                      Jolan looks like a short form of Polish first name Jolanta, Jolenta
                      (Yolanda)- Saint.

                      Charleroi was located in Washington CO south of Pittsburgh and between
                      Cokesburg and Donora PA .

                      Ford City and Kittanning in Armstrong CO located north of
                      Pittsburgh.


                      >From the late 1700s until the end of WW I, Poland did not exist as a
                      country. It was divided among the Russian, German (Prussian), and
                      Austrian Empires.
                      The southern Polish territories around Kraków and Lwów were
                      incorporated into the Austrian Empire and renamed "Galicia".

                      By the First Partition of Poland (1792), Austria had obtained Galicia
                      (consisting of Red Russia, the city of Lemberg [Lwów], a part of
                      western Podolia, and southern Little Poland). Austria did not take
                      any Polish land in the Second Partition. During the Third Partition
                      1795) of Poland, Austria took the remainder of Little Poland and
                      Kraków.

                      Galicia was formerly a Austrian Crownland and part of Austro-Hungarian
                      Monarchy(1867-1918). Sometimes referred to as Austrian Poland.
                      Other names for the area were Galicja (Polish), Galizien (German),
                      Halychyna (Ukrainian) and Rus Halicka (Polish).

                      In 1918, Galicia was annexed to Poland as "Malopolska" (Little
                      Poland).
                      After the 1939 partition of Poland by Germany and Russia, East Galicia
                      became part of Ukraine while West Galicia remained in Poland.
                      Its former territories are now shared between southern Poland and
                      western Ukraine.

                      > From: Frank
                      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:07 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                      > > Well actually all i know is the year and the possible location
                      > (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I
                      > know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically hoping
                      that
                      > Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917 from
                      the
                      > book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to figure
                      out
                      > how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her
                      fathers
                      > name to begin with might be a start.
                      >
                      > Dave
                      >
                      > So your grandfather was Frank Kondrc.
                      > Who was Anna Kondrc (1890-1980) ? perhaps née (maiden name) Benyak
                      ?
                      > Thew other surname posted was Benjak.
                      > In Slavic languages and Hungarian the letter j is pron. y.
                      > PA as in Kittanning ?
                      >
                      > So Lejskove must be located near Nyitra ?
                      > Perhaps it was actually Lajosfalu, Lojschow, Lajosfalva, Lajos,
                      > Lojschow, Lajos^ová, now called L'udovítová and located 5 miles
                      north
                      > of Nitra.
                      >
                      > v
                      > Frank Kurcina
                      >
                      >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                      > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
                      > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > David,
                      > > What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are organized
                      first
                      > by year,
                      > > then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know
                      the
                      > district,
                      > > it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
                      > > There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to
                      approach
                      > the correct
                      > > national archive.
                      > >
                      > > ______________
                      > > Bill Tarkulich
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > -----Original Message-----
                      > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                      > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
                      > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day
                      of
                      > joining and
                      > > a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907
                      like
                      > previous
                      > > email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to
                      the
                      > family
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > David
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                      > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
                      > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > David,
                      > > Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective
                      > present-day
                      > > nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then
                      > everything is in
                      > > Vienna.
                      > > Suggest you start with this material and read all the links
                      too:
                      > >
                      >
                      http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm
                      > >
                      > > Phone books:
                      > > Slovakia - instructions and links:
                      > > http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
                      > > Czech Republic - instructions and links
                      > > http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm
                      > >
                      > > Good luck,
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ______________
                      > > Bill Tarkulich
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > -----Original Message-----
                      > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                      > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
                      > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Subject: [S-R] Austria Military
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I
                      would
                      > have to
                      > > contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available
                      > about a
                      > > relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the
                      Kondrc,
                      > dont have
                      > > exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).
                      > >
                      > > Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
                      > > (and directions if they arent in english?)
                      > >
                      > > David Decker
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: Frank
                      > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
                      > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                      > > > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you
                      could
                      > count
                      > > the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its
                      > coming from a
                      > > book and they had to be carefull on what information wa
                      said.
                      > I have
                      > > to think its near bratislava though because she refers to
                      it
                      > alot as
                      > > town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring
                      > anybells?
                      > > >
                      > > > These is for a Branch of one of the families
                      > > >
                      > > > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or
                      not
                      > > > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was
                      > married to a
                      > > Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe.

                      > From a
                      > > SS-5 form its says Brestovany
                      > > >
                      > > > Ok well thanks again
                      > >
                      > > The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles
                      ENE
                      > of
                      > > Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any
                      located
                      > just NE
                      > > of Brestovany.
                      > >
                      > > The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc
                      under
                      > Trvana.
                      > > The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
                      > > The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.
                      > >
                      > > Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from
                      > Canada.
                      > > There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in
                      Canada)
                      > and a
                      > > Peter (in Canada)
                      > > >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk)
                      Jecenye
                      > (H) east
                      > > of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.
                      > >
                      > > One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant
                      > 'chicken soup'.
                      > > Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning
                      chicken,
                      > hen.
                      > > In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)
                      > >
                      > > Although my surname is similar there is no connection.
                      > >
                      > > Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY
                      surnames
                      > > Kuracina.
                      > > The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada
                      > 1910-1919.
                      > > Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina
                      in
                      > New York
                      > > State.
                      > > A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a
                      lawyer
                      > ?
                      > >
                      > > Frank K
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                    • Vladimir Linder
                      I will be off to Slovakia in 9 hours and will return on August 5. If you need anything you can email me at: vlinder49@hotmail.com or you can also call me at my
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                        I will be off to Slovakia in 9 hours and will return on August 5.

                        If you need anything you can email me at: vlinder49@...

                        or you can also call me at my cell: 011-4210907-297-508

                        Vladi Linder
                      • Vladimir Bohinc
                        Dear Mr.Decker, Regarding genealogical issues around Brestovany and Lieskove and maybe also military records I might have something useful to tell you. Please,
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                          Dear Mr.Decker,
                          Regarding genealogical issues around Brestovany and Lieskove and maybe also military records I might have something useful to tell you. Please, contact me directly at konekta@...
                          Regards,
                          Vladimir Bohinc

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: maze_r@...
                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:12 AM
                          Subject: [S-R] Austria Military


                          K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I would have to contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available about a relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the Kondrc, dont have exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).

                          Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
                          (and directions if they arent in english?)

                          David Decker
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Frank
                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
                          Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia


                          --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                          > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you could count
                          the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its coming from a
                          book and they had to be carefull on what information wa said. I have
                          to think its near bratislava though because she refers to it alot as
                          town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring anybells?
                          >
                          > These is for a Branch of one of the families
                          >
                          > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or not
                          > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was married to a
                          Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe. From a
                          SS-5 form its says Brestovany
                          >
                          > Ok well thanks again

                          The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles ENE of
                          Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any located just NE
                          of Brestovany.

                          The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc under Trvana.
                          The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
                          The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.

                          Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from Canada.
                          There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in Canada) and a
                          Peter (in Canada)
                          >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk) Jecenye (H) east
                          of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.

                          One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant 'chicken soup'.
                          Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning chicken, hen.
                          In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)

                          Although my surname is similar there is no connection.

                          Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY surnames
                          Kuracina.
                          The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada 1910-1919.
                          Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina in New York
                          State.
                          A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a lawyer ?

                          Frank K
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                        • Frank
                          ... an ... there was ... no ... Mother ... Charleroi (Charles (French) pron. Sharl + roi = king) Charleroi PA was founded in 1890 and named after Charleroi,
                          Message 12 of 21 , Jun 9, 2004
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                            --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, William F Brna <wfbrna@j...>
                            wrote:
                            > Charleroi, PA, is located in Washington County, four miles south of
                            > Monongahela, PA. It is not near Cokeburg (not Cokesburg). There is
                            an
                            > attorney with an office in Charleroi, named Alan Benyak. Also,
                            there was
                            > an RC Church in Charleroi, known as SS Cyril and Methodius. It is
                            no
                            > longer active, but the church records are now maintained by Mary,
                            Mother
                            > of the Church. SS Cyril and Methodius Church was my family's home
                            > parish.
                            >
                            > William F. Brna

                            Charleroi
                            (Charles (French) pron. Sharl + roi = king)
                            Charleroi PA was founded in 1890 and named after Charleroi, Belgium.
                            Many Belique emigrants came to new Charleroi located 25 miles
                            south of Pittsburgh from the old country town to make glass.

                            driving distances from Charleroi
                            Monessen 4 miles
                            Mononghela 5 miles
                            Donora 8 miles
                            Cokeburg 14 miles


                            Frank K
                            >
                            > On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:28:36 -0000 "Frank" <frankur@w...>
                            > writes:
                            > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                            > > > Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa
                            for
                            > > a
                            > > bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of
                            Kittianning.
                            > >
                            > > Anna's maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents
                            names
                            > >
                            > > where Paul Benjak and Maria Lisciski.
                            > > >
                            > > > So we have
                            > > > Micheal Kondrc + Maria Kuracina (Houibe)sp. Brestovany) we
                            > > had
                            > > a discussion on what the H was a while back. but we figured we
                            > > could
                            > > read brestovany at the least.
                            > > > -- Steve Kondrc - Came to America 1906 from the 1930 Census
                            form
                            > >
                            > > (married in 1907 in Cherolio PA)
                            > > >
                            > > > Paul Benjak + Maria Lisciski Lejskove, Czechslovakia
                            > > > -- Anna Benjak - came to america in 1907 from the 1930 Census
                            > > form
                            >
                            > > Charleroi was located in Washington CO south of Pittsburgh and
                            > > between
                            > > Cokesburg and Donora PA .
                            > >
                          • Frank
                            ... City @ Holy Trinity if my memory serves me. Well i scanned the Ss-5 forms does anyone want to take a gander at them to see if they can gleam anything else
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                              --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                              > Thanks Frank and William. I think Steve and Anna are buried in Ford
                              City @ Holy Trinity if my memory serves me. Well i scanned the Ss-5
                              forms does anyone want to take a gander at them to see if they can
                              gleam anything else off it.
                              >
                              > As for Jolan she was born in Prague to an Elly Perutz and Walter
                              maczek. Found living Maczek in berlin. Walter died in a car accident
                              in Carrcicone France (sp). Elly married like 3 times. Elly Perutz
                              (maiden), Elly Maczek, Elly Elliman (last know name) and one more
                              which eludes me but have it written down somewhere. Jolan is my
                              grandmother and still alive so i can get some good info. She came to
                              america via Hallifax so I am trying to get the papers from that but
                              have not had the time to look it up. She came on the MS Erria.
                              >
                              > There is only 1 Kondrc that I know left in America, and she is
                              around 93 i think. We try and get as much info as we can from here.
                              >
                              > Im not sure if Anna/Steve came throught Ellis Island. *i did do the
                              missing manifest search for Anna Beyk name but there was no listing
                              saw a few of the pages from the Krown Prince Willhelm.
                              >
                              > On a side note I also have like a 5 page thing from the austrain
                              army saying that my great great grandfather Maczek was a noble or
                              knighted for his duties (in german). And I know that Cecilia's
                              father was in the military (which is the only way right now i can get
                              his name).
                              >
                              > Michael in Slovak would be?
                              > Steve in Slovak would be?
                              > Maria in Slovak would be?
                              >
                              > not sure if any of the names change.
                              >
                              > I remember reading somewhere that the female version of a name adds
                              ova in slovak? and Frank added the sky info.
                              >
                              >
                              > Maybe that might help me in my quest?
                              > Thanks for the continued help


                              David

                              One of most common Slavic surname affixes is the one denoting gender
                              of the bearer -ová (Slovak), -owa (Polish), and -oba (Russian).
                              As a rule of Slovak grammar, female surnames end in -á, -ská, or -ová.
                              The feminine form of the surnames is considered merely a separate form
                              of same surname, not a distinct surname in itself.
                              If the surname is adjectival in origin , i.e., ends in -y', the ending
                              changes to -á, so that wife of pán (Mr.) C^erny' would be pani (pi)
                              (Mrs.) C^erná and their daughter would be slec^na (sl) (Miss) C^erná
                              If surname is a noun in form or origin the suffix -ová is added to it,
                              e.g., pán Kovác^, pani Kovác^ová, slec^na Kovác^ová.


                              Michael (E) (G)
                              Mihály (Misa, Misko, Misi, Misike) (H)
                              Michal (Misko, Miso) (Sk)
                              Michal (P)


                              Stephen, Steven (E)
                              István (Pista, Pistika, Pityu) (H)
                              Stefan (G) (P)
                              Stefan (Steko, Stevko) (Sk)


                              Sister Cecilia died in Crown Point, IN.

                              What was the title of the 5 page Austrian Army document written in
                              German ?

                              During WW II there was a famous Polish General Maczek.
                              Stanislaw, Lieutenant-General
                              (1892-1995)


                              Frank K



                              > David Decker
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: Frank
                              > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:28 AM
                              > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                              >
                              >
                              > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                              > > Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa
                              for a
                              > bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of
                              Kittianning.
                              > Anna's maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents
                              names
                              > where Paul Benjak and Maria Lisciski.
                              > >
                              > > So we have
                              > > Micheal Kondrc + Maria Kuracina (Houibe)sp. Brestovany) we
                              had
                              > a discussion on what the H was a while back. but we figured we
                              could
                              > read brestovany at the least.
                              > > -- Steve Kondrc - Came to America 1906 from the 1930 Census
                              form
                              > (married in 1907 in Cherolio PA)
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Paul Benjak + Maria Lisciski Lejskove, Czechslovakia
                              > > -- Anna Benjak - came to america in 1907 from the 1930 Census
                              form
                              > >
                              > > Steve + Anna
                              > >
                              > > Frank Kondrc married a Jolan Maczek
                              > > ----ect ect ect
                              > >
                              > > Going to try and scan some of the SS-5 Forms so maybe others can
                              get
                              > a better look at it.
                              > >
                              > > as a side note
                              > > can anyone tell me about this I found a Beyk, Anna on roughly
                              18
                              > yrs old on a ship out of Bremen that arrivede Aug 7, 1907 not sure
                              if
                              > its her. But its the closest thing i can find. And i cant few
                              the
                              > orginal because i guess its not scanned at the moment.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Galicy Austria Lysakow, galicy
                              >
                              > David
                              >
                              > Many Polish surnames end in -ski or -cki.
                              > In older records you sometimes read -sky (before spelling rules
                              > were adapted); but in recent times tendency to insist on -ski.
                              > Probably a possessive affix added to name which evolved from
                              person's
                              > characteristics (such as 'tall, short, etc.), occupation, or
                              place
                              > of residence.
                              > In Czech and Slovak, the -sky is akin to the Polish -ski, while
                              -cky
                              > is similar to Polish -cki.
                              > Lisciski might have been spelled Liseiski or Liseski or some other
                              > spelling ?
                              >
                              > EIR list 53 surnames Benyak and 30 surnames Benjak.
                              > Anna was listed with the Dutch surnames Beyk in EIR which was not
                              > unusual with Eastern European names, especially if Polish.
                              > The Anna Beyk, age 18 (b. abt. 1899) from Lysakow, Galicia looks
                              like
                              > her entry to US.
                              > No image copy of ship manifest so only know her Last Residence in
                              > Europe.
                              >
                              > There are 5 Lysakow located in Poland.
                              > Polish y is pron. i and letter w is pron. v.
                              > Expect it is the one located 132 miles south of Warszawa and near
                              > Tarnow in SE poland and not far from the currnet NE Slovakia
                              border.
                              >
                              > How are you ? English
                              >
                              > Wie geht es Ihnen ? German
                              >
                              > Hogy Van ? Hungarian
                              >
                              > Ako sa más^ ? Slovak
                              >
                              > Jak sie masz ? Polish
                              >
                              > Bsides a Katarina Kondrc, Slovak, who emigrated from Buc^any in
                              1921
                              > there were two surnames Sokolowski who traveled with her to US.
                              > They went to b-i-l Jakub Trubacik in St. Louis, MO.
                              >
                              > Jolan looks like a short form of Polish first name Jolanta,
                              Jolenta
                              > (Yolanda)- Saint.
                              >
                              > Charleroi was located in Washington CO south of Pittsburgh and
                              between
                              > Cokesburg and Donora PA .
                              >
                              > Ford City and Kittanning in Armstrong CO located north of
                              > Pittsburgh.
                              >
                              >
                              > >From the late 1700s until the end of WW I, Poland did not exist
                              as a
                              > country. It was divided among the Russian, German (Prussian), and
                              > Austrian Empires.
                              > The southern Polish territories around Kraków and Lwów were
                              > incorporated into the Austrian Empire and renamed "Galicia".
                              >
                              > By the First Partition of Poland (1792), Austria had obtained
                              Galicia
                              > (consisting of Red Russia, the city of Lemberg [Lwów], a part of
                              > western Podolia, and southern Little Poland). Austria did not
                              take
                              > any Polish land in the Second Partition. During the Third
                              Partition
                              > 1795) of Poland, Austria took the remainder of Little Poland and
                              > Kraków.
                              >
                              > Galicia was formerly a Austrian Crownland and part of
                              Austro-Hungarian
                              > Monarchy(1867-1918). Sometimes referred to as Austrian Poland.
                              > Other names for the area were Galicja (Polish), Galizien (German),
                              > Halychyna (Ukrainian) and Rus Halicka (Polish).
                              >
                              > In 1918, Galicia was annexed to Poland as "Malopolska" (Little
                              > Poland).
                              > After the 1939 partition of Poland by Germany and Russia, East
                              Galicia
                              > became part of Ukraine while West Galicia remained in Poland.
                              > Its former territories are now shared between southern Poland and
                              > western Ukraine.
                              >
                              > > From: Frank
                              > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:07 PM
                              > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                              > > > Well actually all i know is the year and the possible
                              location
                              > > (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each
                              other.. I
                              > > know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically
                              hoping
                              > that
                              > > Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917
                              from
                              > the
                              > > book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to
                              figure
                              > out
                              > > how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her
                              > fathers
                              > > name to begin with might be a start.
                              > >
                              > > Dave
                              > >
                              > > So your grandfather was Frank Kondrc.
                              > > Who was Anna Kondrc (1890-1980) ? perhaps née (maiden name)
                              Benyak
                              > ?
                              > > Thew other surname posted was Benjak.
                              > > In Slavic languages and Hungarian the letter j is pron. y.
                              > > PA as in Kittanning ?
                              > >
                              > > So Lejskove must be located near Nyitra ?
                              > > Perhaps it was actually Lajosfalu, Lojschow, Lajosfalva,
                              Lajos,
                              > > Lojschow, Lajos^ová, now called L'udovítová and located 5
                              miles
                              > north
                              > > of Nitra.
                              > >
                              > > v
                              > > Frank Kurcina
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                              > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
                              > > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > David,
                              > > > What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are
                              organized
                              > first
                              > > by year,
                              > > > then by recruiting district. In small districts If you
                              know
                              > the
                              > > district,
                              > > > it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
                              > > > There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to
                              > approach
                              > > the correct
                              > > > national archive.
                              > > >
                              > > > ______________
                              > > > Bill Tarkulich
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > -----Original Message-----
                              > > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                              > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
                              > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a
                              day
                              > of
                              > > joining and
                              > > > a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not
                              1907
                              > like
                              > > previous
                              > > > email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war
                              to
                              > the
                              > > family
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > David
                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                              > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
                              > > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > David,
                              > > > Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the
                              respective
                              > > present-day
                              > > > nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then
                              > > everything is in
                              > > > Vienna.
                              > > > Suggest you start with this material and read all the
                              links
                              > too:
                              > > >
                              > >
                              >
                              http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm
                              > > >
                              > > > Phone books:
                              > > > Slovakia - instructions and links:
                              > > > http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
                              > > > Czech Republic - instructions and links
                              > > > http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm
                              > > >
                              > > > Good luck,
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > ______________
                              > > > Bill Tarkulich
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > -----Original Message-----
                              > > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                              > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
                              > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Subject: [S-R] Austria Military
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who
                              I
                              > would
                              > > have to
                              > > > contact, or go about contacting for imformation if
                              available
                              > > about a
                              > > > relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the
                              > Kondrc,
                              > > dont have
                              > > > exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).
                              > > >
                              > > > Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone
                              books
                              > > > (and directions if they arent in english?)
                              > > >
                              > > > David Decker
                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > From: Frank
                              > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
                              > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...>
                              wrote:
                              > > > > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small
                              you
                              > could
                              > > count
                              > > > the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since
                              its
                              > > coming from a
                              > > > book and they had to be carefull on what information
                              wa
                              > said.
                              > > I have
                              > > > to think its near bratislava though because she refers
                              to
                              > it
                              > > alot as
                              > > > town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior
                              ring
                              > > anybells?
                              > > > >
                              > > > > These is for a Branch of one of the families
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area
                              or
                              > not
                              > > > > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who
                              was
                              > > married to a
                              > > > Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings
                              maybe.
                              >
                              > > From a
                              > > > SS-5 form its says Brestovany
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Ok well thanks again
                              > > >
                              > > > The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31
                              miles
                              > ENE
                              > > of
                              > > > Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any
                              > located
                              > > just NE
                              > > > of Brestovany.
                              > > >
                              > > > The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname
                              Kondrc
                              > under
                              > > Trvana.
                              > > > The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
                              > > > The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under
                              Bratislava.
                              > > >
                              > > > Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina
                              from
                              > > Canada.
                              > > > There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in
                              > Canada)
                              > > and a
                              > > > Peter (in Canada)
                              > > > >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk)
                              > Jecenye
                              > > (H) east
                              > > > of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.
                              > > >
                              > > > One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant
                              > > 'chicken soup'.
                              > > > Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning
                              > chicken,
                              > > hen.
                              > > > In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)
                              > > >
                              > > > Although my surname is similar there is no connection.
                              > > >
                              > > > Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY
                              > surnames
                              > > > Kuracina.
                              > > > The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to
                              Canada
                              > > 1910-1919.
                              > > > Believe that they never received a reply from any
                              Kuracina
                              > in
                              > > New York
                              > > > State.
                              > > > A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a
                              > lawyer
                              > > ?
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                              ... I think i had it translated a while back roughly to english) I have the pages scanned and saved as jpg files if you would like to take a look) ...
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                                --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "David Decker" <maze_r@h...>
                                wrote:
                                > Frank
                                >
                                > The Austrian Document starts with
                                >
                                > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                > zune Blaibuten Erinnerung
                                > Bin Fotografin
                                > Adelsdiploms
                                >
                                > Oberst d. R.
                                > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                >
                                > (rough estimate of the letters and what not, supposed to be german,
                                I think i had it translated a while back roughly to english) I have
                                the pages scanned and saved as jpg files if you would like to take a
                                look)
                                >
                                > Page two
                                > Wir
                                > Karl Der Srite
                                > Coffes von Gunden
                                > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                > Konig von Ungaun
                                >
                                > And keeps on going :)
                                >
                                > Like i said its a rought esitmate. My other computer with the
                                majority of my family tree stuff just crashed this morning, so im had
                                to pull up #2 to play on.
                                >
                                > My grandfather Steve Kondrc worked at the Pittsburg Plate and Glass,
                                would i be able to contact them for employment records and/or whould
                                it give any valuable information?
                                >
                                > Still cant find steve kondrc from ellis island.
                                > I dont know if i already said this but i did find steve kondrc in
                                the 1920 adn 1930 census for PA. First he was named Steve Kordic and
                                the in 1930 it was Steve Kondris. All Family members where accounted
                                for in both Census forms so i know its them. Fun fun trying to think
                                of all the variations of the Kondrc that could have been spelled or
                                just mistranslated. Well im off for a bit,
                                > Keep up the good info.
                                >
                                > David Decker

                                David,

                                I can translate document too if I had a copy of it.
                                Otherwise have to spend days or weeks trying to determine what were
                                the actual German words.
                                Some of the words are obviously misspelled.

                                Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                Meinen Liebes Enkelkind
                                My dear grandchild

                                Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                ? Maczek Edle von
                                Maczek noble from
                                (Jolán is Hungarian female name meaning Yolanda.
                                If it was a male name Jolan probably Czech ? )

                                Erinnerung
                                memory, keepsake

                                bin Fotografin
                                am photographer

                                Adelsdiploms
                                adels = (pl) nobility
                                diploms = (pl) certificates

                                Oberst d. R.
                                Colonel das

                                Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                auf
                                on Januar
                                Holubnov was probably a town located in Czech-Bohemia.
                                "Anschluss" - Annexation of Austria by Germany in 1938
                                In 1938 Germany annexed parts of Bohemia and Moravia as well and
                                created a country called the second Czecho-Slovak Republic.
                                Then in 1939 Hitler's Germany incorporated Bohemia and Moravia into
                                Deutschland.
                                CSR = C^echoslovensko (Czechoslovakia) Republika
                                d. R.? Perhaps (the Third German " Reich") ?


                                wir (probably royal "we")

                                Karl Der Srite
                                Karl Der Dritte
                                German King Carl the III (German) Holy Roman Empire circa 887

                                Raifer von Sejterreich
                                Rainer von Österreich
                                Rainer of Austria
                                For example,
                                (King) Victor Emanuel II. von Savoy Sardinien married to Adelheid von
                                Oesterreich, daughter of Rainer von Oesterreich.

                                Konig von Ungaun
                                König von Ungarn
                                King of Hungary

                                I don't know what you have.
                                High ranking royalty, kings over a thousand year, nobility etc.

                                Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co. was founded in 1883 and the company's
                                first plant was in Creighton, PA, near Pittsburgh, PA.
                                As far as employee records from Pittsburgh Plate Glass.
                                My experience with other large companies has been that such records
                                were junked and destroyed many, many decades ago.

                                Frank K
                              • David Decker
                                Frank The Austrian Document starts with Meinem Liben Enkelkind Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr zune Blaibuten Erinnerung Bin Fotografin Adelsdiploms Oberst d.
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                                  Frank

                                  The Austrian Document starts with

                                  Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                  Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                  zune Blaibuten Erinnerung
                                  Bin Fotografin
                                  Adelsdiploms

                                  Oberst d. R.
                                  Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939

                                  (rough estimate of the letters and what not, supposed to be german, I think i had it translated a while back roughly to english) I have the pages scanned and saved as jpg files if you would like to take a look)

                                  Page two
                                  Wir
                                  Karl Der Srite
                                  Coffes von Gunden
                                  Raifer von Sejterreich
                                  Konig von Ungaun

                                  And keeps on going :)

                                  Like i said its a rought esitmate. My other computer with the majority of my family tree stuff just crashed this morning, so im had to pull up #2 to play on.

                                  My grandfather Steve Kondrc worked at the Pittsburg Plate and Glass, would i be able to contact them for employment records and/or whould it give any valuable information?

                                  Still cant find steve kondrc from ellis island.
                                  I dont know if i already said this but i did find steve kondrc in the 1920 adn 1930 census for PA. First he was named Steve Kordic and the in 1930 it was Steve Kondris. All Family members where accounted for in both Census forms so i know its them. Fun fun trying to think of all the variations of the Kondrc that could have been spelled or just mistranslated. Well im off for a bit,
                                  Keep up the good info.

                                  David Decker

                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: Frank
                                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:09 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


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                                  > Thanks Frank and William. I think Steve and Anna are buried in Ford
                                  City @ Holy Trinity if my memory serves me. Well i scanned the Ss-5
                                  forms does anyone want to take a gander at them to see if they can
                                  gleam anything else off it.
                                  >
                                  > As for Jolan she was born in Prague to an Elly Perutz and Walter
                                  maczek. Found living Maczek in berlin. Walter died in a car accident
                                  in Carrcicone France (sp). Elly married like 3 times. Elly Perutz
                                  (maiden), Elly Maczek, Elly Elliman (last know name) and one more
                                  which eludes me but have it written down somewhere. Jolan is my
                                  grandmother and still alive so i can get some good info. She came to
                                  america via Hallifax so I am trying to get the papers from that but
                                  have not had the time to look it up. She came on the MS Erria.
                                  >
                                  > There is only 1 Kondrc that I know left in America, and she is
                                  around 93 i think. We try and get as much info as we can from here.
                                  >
                                  > Im not sure if Anna/Steve came throught Ellis Island. *i did do the
                                  missing manifest search for Anna Beyk name but there was no listing
                                  saw a few of the pages from the Krown Prince Willhelm.
                                  >
                                  > On a side note I also have like a 5 page thing from the austrain
                                  army saying that my great great grandfather Maczek was a noble or
                                  knighted for his duties (in german). And I know that Cecilia's
                                  father was in the military (which is the only way right now i can get
                                  his name).
                                  >
                                  > Michael in Slovak would be?
                                  > Steve in Slovak would be?
                                  > Maria in Slovak would be?
                                  >
                                  > not sure if any of the names change.
                                  >
                                  > I remember reading somewhere that the female version of a name adds
                                  ova in slovak? and Frank added the sky info.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Maybe that might help me in my quest?
                                  > Thanks for the continued help


                                  David

                                  One of most common Slavic surname affixes is the one denoting gender
                                  of the bearer -ová (Slovak), -owa (Polish), and -oba (Russian).
                                  As a rule of Slovak grammar, female surnames end in -á, -ská, or -ová.
                                  The feminine form of the surnames is considered merely a separate form
                                  of same surname, not a distinct surname in itself.
                                  If the surname is adjectival in origin , i.e., ends in -y', the ending
                                  changes to -á, so that wife of pán (Mr.) C^erny' would be pani (pi)
                                  (Mrs.) C^erná and their daughter would be slec^na (sl) (Miss) C^erná
                                  If surname is a noun in form or origin the suffix -ová is added to it,
                                  e.g., pán Kovác^, pani Kovác^ová, slec^na Kovác^ová.


                                  Michael (E) (G)
                                  Mihály (Misa, Misko, Misi, Misike) (H)
                                  Michal (Misko, Miso) (Sk)
                                  Michal (P)


                                  Stephen, Steven (E)
                                  István (Pista, Pistika, Pityu) (H)
                                  Stefan (G) (P)
                                  Stefan (Steko, Stevko) (Sk)


                                  Sister Cecilia died in Crown Point, IN.

                                  What was the title of the 5 page Austrian Army document written in
                                  German ?

                                  During WW II there was a famous Polish General Maczek.
                                  Stanislaw, Lieutenant-General
                                  (1892-1995)


                                  Frank K



                                  > David Decker
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: Frank
                                  > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:28 AM
                                  > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                                  > > Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa
                                  for a
                                  > bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of
                                  Kittianning.
                                  > Anna's maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents
                                  names
                                  > where Paul Benjak and Maria Lisciski.
                                  > >
                                  > > So we have
                                  > > Micheal Kondrc + Maria Kuracina (Houibe)sp. Brestovany) we
                                  had
                                  > a discussion on what the H was a while back. but we figured we
                                  could
                                  > read brestovany at the least.
                                  > > -- Steve Kondrc - Came to America 1906 from the 1930 Census
                                  form
                                  > (married in 1907 in Cherolio PA)
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Paul Benjak + Maria Lisciski Lejskove, Czechslovakia
                                  > > -- Anna Benjak - came to america in 1907 from the 1930 Census
                                  form
                                  > >
                                  > > Steve + Anna
                                  > >
                                  > > Frank Kondrc married a Jolan Maczek
                                  > > ----ect ect ect
                                  > >
                                  > > Going to try and scan some of the SS-5 Forms so maybe others can
                                  get
                                  > a better look at it.
                                  > >
                                  > > as a side note
                                  > > can anyone tell me about this I found a Beyk, Anna on roughly
                                  18
                                  > yrs old on a ship out of Bremen that arrivede Aug 7, 1907 not sure
                                  if
                                  > its her. But its the closest thing i can find. And i cant few
                                  the
                                  > orginal because i guess its not scanned at the moment.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Galicy Austria Lysakow, galicy
                                  >
                                  > David
                                  >
                                  > Many Polish surnames end in -ski or -cki.
                                  > In older records you sometimes read -sky (before spelling rules
                                  > were adapted); but in recent times tendency to insist on -ski.
                                  > Probably a possessive affix added to name which evolved from
                                  person's
                                  > characteristics (such as 'tall, short, etc.), occupation, or
                                  place
                                  > of residence.
                                  > In Czech and Slovak, the -sky is akin to the Polish -ski, while
                                  -cky
                                  > is similar to Polish -cki.
                                  > Lisciski might have been spelled Liseiski or Liseski or some other
                                  > spelling ?
                                  >
                                  > EIR list 53 surnames Benyak and 30 surnames Benjak.
                                  > Anna was listed with the Dutch surnames Beyk in EIR which was not
                                  > unusual with Eastern European names, especially if Polish.
                                  > The Anna Beyk, age 18 (b. abt. 1899) from Lysakow, Galicia looks
                                  like
                                  > her entry to US.
                                  > No image copy of ship manifest so only know her Last Residence in
                                  > Europe.
                                  >
                                  > There are 5 Lysakow located in Poland.
                                  > Polish y is pron. i and letter w is pron. v.
                                  > Expect it is the one located 132 miles south of Warszawa and near
                                  > Tarnow in SE poland and not far from the currnet NE Slovakia
                                  border.
                                  >
                                  > How are you ? English
                                  >
                                  > Wie geht es Ihnen ? German
                                  >
                                  > Hogy Van ? Hungarian
                                  >
                                  > Ako sa más^ ? Slovak
                                  >
                                  > Jak sie masz ? Polish
                                  >
                                  > Bsides a Katarina Kondrc, Slovak, who emigrated from Buc^any in
                                  1921
                                  > there were two surnames Sokolowski who traveled with her to US.
                                  > They went to b-i-l Jakub Trubacik in St. Louis, MO.
                                  >
                                  > Jolan looks like a short form of Polish first name Jolanta,
                                  Jolenta
                                  > (Yolanda)- Saint.
                                  >
                                  > Charleroi was located in Washington CO south of Pittsburgh and
                                  between
                                  > Cokesburg and Donora PA .
                                  >
                                  > Ford City and Kittanning in Armstrong CO located north of
                                  > Pittsburgh.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > >From the late 1700s until the end of WW I, Poland did not exist
                                  as a
                                  > country. It was divided among the Russian, German (Prussian), and
                                  > Austrian Empires.
                                  > The southern Polish territories around Kraków and Lwów were
                                  > incorporated into the Austrian Empire and renamed "Galicia".
                                  >
                                  > By the First Partition of Poland (1792), Austria had obtained
                                  Galicia
                                  > (consisting of Red Russia, the city of Lemberg [Lwów], a part of
                                  > western Podolia, and southern Little Poland). Austria did not
                                  take
                                  > any Polish land in the Second Partition. During the Third
                                  Partition
                                  > 1795) of Poland, Austria took the remainder of Little Poland and
                                  > Kraków.
                                  >
                                  > Galicia was formerly a Austrian Crownland and part of
                                  Austro-Hungarian
                                  > Monarchy(1867-1918). Sometimes referred to as Austrian Poland.
                                  > Other names for the area were Galicja (Polish), Galizien (German),
                                  > Halychyna (Ukrainian) and Rus Halicka (Polish).
                                  >
                                  > In 1918, Galicia was annexed to Poland as "Malopolska" (Little
                                  > Poland).
                                  > After the 1939 partition of Poland by Germany and Russia, East
                                  Galicia
                                  > became part of Ukraine while West Galicia remained in Poland.
                                  > Its former territories are now shared between southern Poland and
                                  > western Ukraine.
                                  >
                                  > > From: Frank
                                  > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:07 PM
                                  > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                                  > > > Well actually all i know is the year and the possible
                                  location
                                  > > (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each
                                  other.. I
                                  > > know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically
                                  hoping
                                  > that
                                  > > Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917
                                  from
                                  > the
                                  > > book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to
                                  figure
                                  > out
                                  > > how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her
                                  > fathers
                                  > > name to begin with might be a start.
                                  > >
                                  > > Dave
                                  > >
                                  > > So your grandfather was Frank Kondrc.
                                  > > Who was Anna Kondrc (1890-1980) ? perhaps née (maiden name)
                                  Benyak
                                  > ?
                                  > > Thew other surname posted was Benjak.
                                  > > In Slavic languages and Hungarian the letter j is pron. y.
                                  > > PA as in Kittanning ?
                                  > >
                                  > > So Lejskove must be located near Nyitra ?
                                  > > Perhaps it was actually Lajosfalu, Lojschow, Lajosfalva,
                                  Lajos,
                                  > > Lojschow, Lajos^ová, now called L'udovítová and located 5
                                  miles
                                  > north
                                  > > of Nitra.
                                  > >
                                  > > v
                                  > > Frank Kurcina
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                                  > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
                                  > > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > David,
                                  > > > What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are
                                  organized
                                  > first
                                  > > by year,
                                  > > > then by recruiting district. In small districts If you
                                  know
                                  > the
                                  > > district,
                                  > > > it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
                                  > > > There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to
                                  > approach
                                  > > the correct
                                  > > > national archive.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > ______________
                                  > > > Bill Tarkulich
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > -----Original Message-----
                                  > > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                                  > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
                                  > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a
                                  day
                                  > of
                                  > > joining and
                                  > > > a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not
                                  1907
                                  > like
                                  > > previous
                                  > > > email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war
                                  to
                                  > the
                                  > > family
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > David
                                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                                  > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
                                  > > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > David,
                                  > > > Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the
                                  respective
                                  > > present-day
                                  > > > nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then
                                  > > everything is in
                                  > > > Vienna.
                                  > > > Suggest you start with this material and read all the
                                  links
                                  > too:
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Phone books:
                                  > > > Slovakia - instructions and links:
                                  > > > http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
                                  > > > Czech Republic - instructions and links
                                  > > > http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Good luck,
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > ______________
                                  > > > Bill Tarkulich
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > -----Original Message-----
                                  > > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                                  > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
                                  > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > Subject: [S-R] Austria Military
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who
                                  I
                                  > would
                                  > > have to
                                  > > > contact, or go about contacting for imformation if
                                  available
                                  > > about a
                                  > > > relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the
                                  > Kondrc,
                                  > > dont have
                                  > > > exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone
                                  books
                                  > > > (and directions if they arent in english?)
                                  > > >
                                  > > > David Decker
                                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > From: Frank
                                  > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
                                  > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...>
                                  wrote:
                                  > > > > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small
                                  you
                                  > could
                                  > > count
                                  > > > the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since
                                  its
                                  > > coming from a
                                  > > > book and they had to be carefull on what information
                                  wa
                                  > said.
                                  > > I have
                                  > > > to think its near bratislava though because she refers
                                  to
                                  > it
                                  > > alot as
                                  > > > town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior
                                  ring
                                  > > anybells?
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > These is for a Branch of one of the families
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area
                                  or
                                  > not
                                  > > > > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who
                                  was
                                  > > married to a
                                  > > > Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings
                                  maybe.
                                  >
                                  > > From a
                                  > > > SS-5 form its says Brestovany
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Ok well thanks again
                                  > > >
                                  > > > The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31
                                  miles
                                  > ENE
                                  > > of
                                  > > > Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any
                                  > located
                                  > > just NE
                                  > > > of Brestovany.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname
                                  Kondrc
                                  > under
                                  > > Trvana.
                                  > > > The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
                                  > > > The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under
                                  Bratislava.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina
                                  from
                                  > > Canada.
                                  > > > There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in
                                  > Canada)
                                  > > and a
                                  > > > Peter (in Canada)
                                  > > > >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk)
                                  > Jecenye
                                  > > (H) east
                                  > > > of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant
                                  > > 'chicken soup'.
                                  > > > Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning
                                  > chicken,
                                  > > hen.
                                  > > > In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Although my surname is similar there is no connection.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY
                                  > surnames
                                  > > > Kuracina.
                                  > > > The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to
                                  Canada
                                  > > 1910-1919.
                                  > > > Believe that they never received a reply from any
                                  Kuracina
                                  > in
                                  > > New York
                                  > > > State.
                                  > > > A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a
                                  > lawyer
                                  > > ?
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                                  One addition to Frank s translation: Oberst d. R. Colonel das is likely Oberst d.R. Colonel of the Reserve (Oberst der Reserve) I take that from a special card
                                  Message 16 of 21 , Jun 11, 2004
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                                    One addition to Frank's translation:
                                    Oberst d. R.
                                    Colonel das

                                    is likely

                                    Oberst d.R.
                                    Colonel of the Reserve (Oberst der Reserve)

                                    I take that from a special card of acronyms from the book by v.G.-
                                    Payer "Armati Hungarorum".

                                    Ron

                                    -- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frankur@w...> wrote:
                                    > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "David Decker" <maze_r@h...>
                                    > wrote:
                                    > > Frank
                                    > >
                                    > > The Austrian Document starts with
                                    > >
                                    > > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                    > > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                    > > zune Blaibuten Erinnerung
                                    > > Bin Fotografin
                                    > > Adelsdiploms
                                    > >
                                    > > Oberst d. R.
                                    > > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                    > >
                                    > > (rough estimate of the letters and what not, supposed to be
                                    german,
                                    > I think i had it translated a while back roughly to english) I
                                    have
                                    > the pages scanned and saved as jpg files if you would like to take
                                    a
                                    > look)
                                    > >
                                    > > Page two
                                    > > Wir
                                    > > Karl Der Srite
                                    > > Coffes von Gunden
                                    > > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                    > > Konig von Ungaun
                                    > >
                                    > > And keeps on going :)
                                    > >
                                    > > Like i said its a rought esitmate. My other computer with the
                                    > majority of my family tree stuff just crashed this morning, so im
                                    had
                                    > to pull up #2 to play on.
                                    > >
                                    > > My grandfather Steve Kondrc worked at the Pittsburg Plate and
                                    Glass,
                                    > would i be able to contact them for employment records and/or
                                    whould
                                    > it give any valuable information?
                                    > >
                                    > > Still cant find steve kondrc from ellis island.
                                    > > I dont know if i already said this but i did find steve kondrc in
                                    > the 1920 adn 1930 census for PA. First he was named Steve Kordic
                                    and
                                    > the in 1930 it was Steve Kondris. All Family members where
                                    accounted
                                    > for in both Census forms so i know its them. Fun fun trying to
                                    think
                                    > of all the variations of the Kondrc that could have been spelled or
                                    > just mistranslated. Well im off for a bit,
                                    > > Keep up the good info.
                                    > >
                                    > > David Decker
                                    >
                                    > David,
                                    >
                                    > I can translate document too if I had a copy of it.
                                    > Otherwise have to spend days or weeks trying to determine what were
                                    > the actual German words.
                                    > Some of the words are obviously misspelled.
                                    >
                                    > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                    > Meinen Liebes Enkelkind
                                    > My dear grandchild
                                    >
                                    > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                    > ? Maczek Edle von
                                    > Maczek noble from
                                    > (Jolán is Hungarian female name meaning Yolanda.
                                    > If it was a male name Jolan probably Czech ? )
                                    >
                                    > Erinnerung
                                    > memory, keepsake
                                    >
                                    > bin Fotografin
                                    > am photographer
                                    >
                                    > Adelsdiploms
                                    > adels = (pl) nobility
                                    > diploms = (pl) certificates
                                    >
                                    > Oberst d. R.
                                    > Colonel das
                                    >
                                    > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                    > auf
                                    > on Januar
                                    > Holubnov was probably a town located in Czech-Bohemia.
                                    > "Anschluss" - Annexation of Austria by Germany in 1938
                                    > In 1938 Germany annexed parts of Bohemia and Moravia as well and
                                    > created a country called the second Czecho-Slovak Republic.
                                    > Then in 1939 Hitler's Germany incorporated Bohemia and Moravia into
                                    > Deutschland.
                                    > CSR = C^echoslovensko (Czechoslovakia) Republika
                                    > d. R.? Perhaps (the Third German " Reich") ?
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > wir (probably royal "we")
                                    >
                                    > Karl Der Srite
                                    > Karl Der Dritte
                                    > German King Carl the III (German) Holy Roman Empire circa 887
                                    >
                                    > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                    > Rainer von Österreich
                                    > Rainer of Austria
                                    > For example,
                                    > (King) Victor Emanuel II. von Savoy Sardinien married to Adelheid
                                    von
                                    > Oesterreich, daughter of Rainer von Oesterreich.
                                    >
                                    > Konig von Ungaun
                                    > König von Ungarn
                                    > King of Hungary
                                    >
                                    > I don't know what you have.
                                    > High ranking royalty, kings over a thousand year, nobility etc.
                                    >
                                    > Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co. was founded in 1883 and the company's
                                    > first plant was in Creighton, PA, near Pittsburgh, PA.
                                    > As far as employee records from Pittsburgh Plate Glass.
                                    > My experience with other large companies has been that such records
                                    > were junked and destroyed many, many decades ago.
                                    >
                                    > Frank K
                                  • Frank
                                    ... form. ... David, Very good ! Have been researching surnames from Austrian/Italian Tirol at other web sites. You finally put a handle on a surname I
                                    Message 17 of 21 , Jun 11, 2004
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                                      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "David Decker" <maze_r@h...>
                                      wrote:
                                      > Here is the 5 scanned documetns along with steve and anna' ss-5
                                      form.
                                      > Jolan is a woman's name (my grandmother) Jolan Maczek.
                                      >
                                      > http://www.the-echelon.net/X-Faith/


                                      David,

                                      Very good !
                                      Have been researching surnames from Austrian/Italian Tirol at other
                                      web sites.
                                      You finally put a handle on a surname I actually know something about
                                      Friedrich Graf von Toggenburg (1866 - 1956) Tirol, Austria 1914-1917.

                                      Frank K
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: Frank
                                      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:29 AM
                                      > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "David Decker" <maze_r@h...>
                                      > wrote:
                                      > > Frank
                                      > >
                                      > > The Austrian Document starts with
                                      > >
                                      > > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                      > > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                      > > zune Blaibuten Erinnerung
                                      > > Bin Fotografin
                                      > > Adelsdiploms
                                      > >
                                      > > Oberst d. R.
                                      > > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                      > >
                                      > > (rough estimate of the letters and what not, supposed to be
                                      german,
                                      > I think i had it translated a while back roughly to english) I
                                      have
                                      > the pages scanned and saved as jpg files if you would like to
                                      take
                                      a
                                      > look)
                                      > >
                                      > > Page two
                                      > > Wir
                                      > > Karl Der Srite
                                      > > Coffes von Gunden
                                      > > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                      > > Konig von Ungaun
                                      > >
                                      > > And keeps on going :)
                                      > >
                                      > > Like i said its a rought esitmate. My other computer with the
                                      > majority of my family tree stuff just crashed this morning, so im
                                      had
                                      > to pull up #2 to play on.
                                      > >
                                      > > My grandfather Steve Kondrc worked at the Pittsburg Plate and
                                      Glass,
                                      > would i be able to contact them for employment records and/or
                                      whould
                                      > it give any valuable information?
                                      > >
                                      > > Still cant find steve kondrc from ellis island.
                                      > > I dont know if i already said this but i did find steve kondrc
                                      in
                                      > the 1920 adn 1930 census for PA. First he was named Steve Kordic
                                      and
                                      > the in 1930 it was Steve Kondris. All Family members where
                                      accounted
                                      > for in both Census forms so i know its them. Fun fun trying to
                                      think
                                      > of all the variations of the Kondrc that could have been spelled
                                      or
                                      > just mistranslated. Well im off for a bit,
                                      > > Keep up the good info.
                                      > >
                                      > > David Decker
                                      >
                                      > David,
                                      >
                                      > I can translate document too if I had a copy of it.
                                      > Otherwise have to spend days or weeks trying to determine what
                                      were
                                      > the actual German words.
                                      > Some of the words are obviously misspelled.
                                      >
                                      > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                      > Meinen Liebes Enkelkind
                                      > My dear grandchild
                                      >
                                      > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                      > ? Maczek Edle von
                                      > Maczek noble from
                                      > (Jolán is Hungarian female name meaning Yolanda.
                                      > If it was a male name Jolan probably Czech ? )
                                      >
                                      > Erinnerung
                                      > memory, keepsake
                                      >
                                      > bin Fotografin
                                      > am photographer
                                      >
                                      > Adelsdiploms
                                      > adels = (pl) nobility
                                      > diploms = (pl) certificates
                                      >
                                      > Oberst d. R.
                                      > Colonel das
                                      >
                                      > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                      > auf
                                      > on Januar
                                      > Holubnov was probably a town located in Czech-Bohemia.
                                      > "Anschluss" - Annexation of Austria by Germany in 1938
                                      > In 1938 Germany annexed parts of Bohemia and Moravia as well and
                                      > created a country called the second Czecho-Slovak Republic.
                                      > Then in 1939 Hitler's Germany incorporated Bohemia and Moravia
                                      into
                                      > Deutschland.
                                      > CSR = C^echoslovensko (Czechoslovakia) Republika
                                      > d. R.? Perhaps (the Third German " Reich") ?
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > wir (probably royal "we")
                                      >
                                      > Karl Der Srite
                                      > Karl Der Dritte
                                      > German King Carl the III (German) Holy Roman Empire circa 887
                                      >
                                      > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                      > Rainer von Österreich
                                      > Rainer of Austria
                                      > For example,
                                      > (King) Victor Emanuel II. von Savoy Sardinien married to Adelheid
                                      von
                                      > Oesterreich, daughter of Rainer von Oesterreich.
                                      >
                                      > Konig von Ungaun
                                      > König von Ungarn
                                      > King of Hungary
                                      >
                                      > I don't know what you have.
                                      > High ranking royalty, kings over a thousand year, nobility etc.
                                      >
                                      > Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co. was founded in 1883 and the company's
                                      > first plant was in Creighton, PA, near Pittsburgh, PA.
                                      > As far as employee records from Pittsburgh Plate Glass.
                                      > My experience with other large companies has been that such
                                      records
                                      > were junked and destroyed many, many decades ago.
                                      >
                                      > Frank K
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
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                                    • David Decker
                                      Here is the 5 scanned documetns along with steve and anna ss-5 form. Jolan is a woman s name (my grandmother) Jolan Maczek.
                                      Message 18 of 21 , Jun 12, 2004
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                                        Here is the 5 scanned documetns along with steve and anna' ss-5 form.
                                        Jolan is a woman's name (my grandmother) Jolan Maczek.

                                        http://www.the-echelon.net/X-Faith/


                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Frank
                                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:29 AM
                                        Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


                                        --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "David Decker" <maze_r@h...>
                                        wrote:
                                        > Frank
                                        >
                                        > The Austrian Document starts with
                                        >
                                        > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                        > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                        > zune Blaibuten Erinnerung
                                        > Bin Fotografin
                                        > Adelsdiploms
                                        >
                                        > Oberst d. R.
                                        > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                        >
                                        > (rough estimate of the letters and what not, supposed to be german,
                                        I think i had it translated a while back roughly to english) I have
                                        the pages scanned and saved as jpg files if you would like to take a
                                        look)
                                        >
                                        > Page two
                                        > Wir
                                        > Karl Der Srite
                                        > Coffes von Gunden
                                        > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                        > Konig von Ungaun
                                        >
                                        > And keeps on going :)
                                        >
                                        > Like i said its a rought esitmate. My other computer with the
                                        majority of my family tree stuff just crashed this morning, so im had
                                        to pull up #2 to play on.
                                        >
                                        > My grandfather Steve Kondrc worked at the Pittsburg Plate and Glass,
                                        would i be able to contact them for employment records and/or whould
                                        it give any valuable information?
                                        >
                                        > Still cant find steve kondrc from ellis island.
                                        > I dont know if i already said this but i did find steve kondrc in
                                        the 1920 adn 1930 census for PA. First he was named Steve Kordic and
                                        the in 1930 it was Steve Kondris. All Family members where accounted
                                        for in both Census forms so i know its them. Fun fun trying to think
                                        of all the variations of the Kondrc that could have been spelled or
                                        just mistranslated. Well im off for a bit,
                                        > Keep up the good info.
                                        >
                                        > David Decker

                                        David,

                                        I can translate document too if I had a copy of it.
                                        Otherwise have to spend days or weeks trying to determine what were
                                        the actual German words.
                                        Some of the words are obviously misspelled.

                                        Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                        Meinen Liebes Enkelkind
                                        My dear grandchild

                                        Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                        ? Maczek Edle von
                                        Maczek noble from
                                        (Jolán is Hungarian female name meaning Yolanda.
                                        If it was a male name Jolan probably Czech ? )

                                        Erinnerung
                                        memory, keepsake

                                        bin Fotografin
                                        am photographer

                                        Adelsdiploms
                                        adels = (pl) nobility
                                        diploms = (pl) certificates

                                        Oberst d. R.
                                        Colonel das

                                        Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                        auf
                                        on Januar
                                        Holubnov was probably a town located in Czech-Bohemia.
                                        "Anschluss" - Annexation of Austria by Germany in 1938
                                        In 1938 Germany annexed parts of Bohemia and Moravia as well and
                                        created a country called the second Czecho-Slovak Republic.
                                        Then in 1939 Hitler's Germany incorporated Bohemia and Moravia into
                                        Deutschland.
                                        CSR = C^echoslovensko (Czechoslovakia) Republika
                                        d. R.? Perhaps (the Third German " Reich") ?


                                        wir (probably royal "we")

                                        Karl Der Srite
                                        Karl Der Dritte
                                        German King Carl the III (German) Holy Roman Empire circa 887

                                        Raifer von Sejterreich
                                        Rainer von Österreich
                                        Rainer of Austria
                                        For example,
                                        (King) Victor Emanuel II. von Savoy Sardinien married to Adelheid von
                                        Oesterreich, daughter of Rainer von Oesterreich.

                                        Konig von Ungaun
                                        König von Ungarn
                                        King of Hungary

                                        I don't know what you have.
                                        High ranking royalty, kings over a thousand year, nobility etc.

                                        Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co. was founded in 1883 and the company's
                                        first plant was in Creighton, PA, near Pittsburgh, PA.
                                        As far as employee records from Pittsburgh Plate Glass.
                                        My experience with other large companies has been that such records
                                        were junked and destroyed many, many decades ago.

                                        Frank K



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                                      • David Decker
                                        ... Also i just found out the one of the Benjak (Benak) was in the US and was either in the Air Force or working for the Air Force, he was going to get a
                                        Message 19 of 21 , Jun 12, 2004
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                                          :) Always glad to help, I see the name on page 4 of 5 but i dont know whats it in relation to :).
                                          Also i just found out the one of the Benjak (Benak) was in the US and was either in the Air Force or working for the Air Force, he was going to get a Patent on something he invented and either on the way there or they way home he got beat up and the patent was stolen.. Not sure what the invention was but his name was Frank Benjak. Anna also had two other sisters that I know about mary and Teresa.

                                          David
                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: Frank
                                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 3:58 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


                                          --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "David Decker" <maze_r@h...>
                                          wrote:
                                          > Here is the 5 scanned documetns along with steve and anna' ss-5
                                          form.
                                          > Jolan is a woman's name (my grandmother) Jolan Maczek.
                                          >
                                          > http://www.the-echelon.net/X-Faith/


                                          David,

                                          Very good !
                                          Have been researching surnames from Austrian/Italian Tirol at other
                                          web sites.
                                          You finally put a handle on a surname I actually know something about
                                          Friedrich Graf von Toggenburg (1866 - 1956) Tirol, Austria 1914-1917.

                                          Frank K
                                          >
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: Frank
                                          > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:29 AM
                                          > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "David Decker" <maze_r@h...>
                                          > wrote:
                                          > > Frank
                                          > >
                                          > > The Austrian Document starts with
                                          > >
                                          > > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                          > > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                          > > zune Blaibuten Erinnerung
                                          > > Bin Fotografin
                                          > > Adelsdiploms
                                          > >
                                          > > Oberst d. R.
                                          > > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                          > >
                                          > > (rough estimate of the letters and what not, supposed to be
                                          german,
                                          > I think i had it translated a while back roughly to english) I
                                          have
                                          > the pages scanned and saved as jpg files if you would like to
                                          take
                                          a
                                          > look)
                                          > >
                                          > > Page two
                                          > > Wir
                                          > > Karl Der Srite
                                          > > Coffes von Gunden
                                          > > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                          > > Konig von Ungaun
                                          > >
                                          > > And keeps on going :)
                                          > >
                                          > > Like i said its a rought esitmate. My other computer with the
                                          > majority of my family tree stuff just crashed this morning, so im
                                          had
                                          > to pull up #2 to play on.
                                          > >
                                          > > My grandfather Steve Kondrc worked at the Pittsburg Plate and
                                          Glass,
                                          > would i be able to contact them for employment records and/or
                                          whould
                                          > it give any valuable information?
                                          > >
                                          > > Still cant find steve kondrc from ellis island.
                                          > > I dont know if i already said this but i did find steve kondrc
                                          in
                                          > the 1920 adn 1930 census for PA. First he was named Steve Kordic
                                          and
                                          > the in 1930 it was Steve Kondris. All Family members where
                                          accounted
                                          > for in both Census forms so i know its them. Fun fun trying to
                                          think
                                          > of all the variations of the Kondrc that could have been spelled
                                          or
                                          > just mistranslated. Well im off for a bit,
                                          > > Keep up the good info.
                                          > >
                                          > > David Decker
                                          >
                                          > David,
                                          >
                                          > I can translate document too if I had a copy of it.
                                          > Otherwise have to spend days or weeks trying to determine what
                                          were
                                          > the actual German words.
                                          > Some of the words are obviously misspelled.
                                          >
                                          > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                          > Meinen Liebes Enkelkind
                                          > My dear grandchild
                                          >
                                          > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                          > ? Maczek Edle von
                                          > Maczek noble from
                                          > (Jolán is Hungarian female name meaning Yolanda.
                                          > If it was a male name Jolan probably Czech ? )
                                          >
                                          > Erinnerung
                                          > memory, keepsake
                                          >
                                          > bin Fotografin
                                          > am photographer
                                          >
                                          > Adelsdiploms
                                          > adels = (pl) nobility
                                          > diploms = (pl) certificates
                                          >
                                          > Oberst d. R.
                                          > Colonel das
                                          >
                                          > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                          > auf
                                          > on Januar
                                          > Holubnov was probably a town located in Czech-Bohemia.
                                          > "Anschluss" - Annexation of Austria by Germany in 1938
                                          > In 1938 Germany annexed parts of Bohemia and Moravia as well and
                                          > created a country called the second Czecho-Slovak Republic.
                                          > Then in 1939 Hitler's Germany incorporated Bohemia and Moravia
                                          into
                                          > Deutschland.
                                          > CSR = C^echoslovensko (Czechoslovakia) Republika
                                          > d. R.? Perhaps (the Third German " Reich") ?
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > wir (probably royal "we")
                                          >
                                          > Karl Der Srite
                                          > Karl Der Dritte
                                          > German King Carl the III (German) Holy Roman Empire circa 887
                                          >
                                          > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                          > Rainer von Österreich
                                          > Rainer of Austria
                                          > For example,
                                          > (King) Victor Emanuel II. von Savoy Sardinien married to Adelheid
                                          von
                                          > Oesterreich, daughter of Rainer von Oesterreich.
                                          >
                                          > Konig von Ungaun
                                          > König von Ungarn
                                          > King of Hungary
                                          >
                                          > I don't know what you have.
                                          > High ranking royalty, kings over a thousand year, nobility etc.
                                          >
                                          > Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co. was founded in 1883 and the company's
                                          > first plant was in Creighton, PA, near Pittsburgh, PA.
                                          > As far as employee records from Pittsburgh Plate Glass.
                                          > My experience with other large companies has been that such
                                          records
                                          > were junked and destroyed many, many decades ago.
                                          >
                                          > Frank K
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
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