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  • Bill Tarkulich
    David, Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective present-day nation s archives, unless it s before about 1868, then everything is in Vienna.
    Message 1 of 21 , Jun 7, 2004
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      David,
      Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective present-day
      nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then everything is in
      Vienna.
      Suggest you start with this material and read all the links too:
      http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm

      Phone books:
      Slovakia - instructions and links:
      http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
      Czech Republic - instructions and links
      http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm

      Good luck,


      ______________
      Bill Tarkulich




      -----Original Message-----
      From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
      Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [S-R] Austria Military


      K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I would have to
      contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available about a
      relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the Kondrc, dont have
      exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).

      Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
      (and directions if they arent in english?)

      David Decker
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Frank
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
      Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia


      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
      > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you could count
      the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its coming from a
      book and they had to be carefull on what information wa said. I have
      to think its near bratislava though because she refers to it alot as
      town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring anybells?
      >
      > These is for a Branch of one of the families
      >
      > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or not
      > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was married to a
      Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe. From a
      SS-5 form its says Brestovany
      >
      > Ok well thanks again

      The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles ENE of
      Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any located just NE
      of Brestovany.

      The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc under Trvana.
      The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
      The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.

      Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from Canada.
      There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in Canada) and a
      Peter (in Canada)
      >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk) Jecenye (H) east
      of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.

      One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant 'chicken soup'.
      Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning chicken, hen.
      In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)

      Although my surname is similar there is no connection.

      Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY surnames
      Kuracina.
      The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada 1910-1919.
      Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina in New York
      State.
      A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a lawyer ?

      Frank K
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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    • maze_r@hotmail.com
      Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day of joining and a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907 like previous email
      Message 2 of 21 , Jun 7, 2004
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        Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day of joining and a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907 like previous email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to the family



        David
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Bill Tarkulich
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
        Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military


        David,
        Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective present-day
        nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then everything is in
        Vienna.
        Suggest you start with this material and read all the links too:
        http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm

        Phone books:
        Slovakia - instructions and links:
        http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
        Czech Republic - instructions and links
        http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm

        Good luck,


        ______________
        Bill Tarkulich




        -----Original Message-----
        From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
        Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [S-R] Austria Military


        K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I would have to
        contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available about a
        relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the Kondrc, dont have
        exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).

        Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
        (and directions if they arent in english?)

        David Decker
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Frank
        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
        Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia


        --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
        > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you could count
        the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its coming from a
        book and they had to be carefull on what information wa said. I have
        to think its near bratislava though because she refers to it alot as
        town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring anybells?
        >
        > These is for a Branch of one of the families
        >
        > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or not
        > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was married to a
        Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe. From a
        SS-5 form its says Brestovany
        >
        > Ok well thanks again

        The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles ENE of
        Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any located just NE
        of Brestovany.

        The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc under Trvana.
        The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
        The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.

        Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from Canada.
        There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in Canada) and a
        Peter (in Canada)
        >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk) Jecenye (H) east
        of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.

        One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant 'chicken soup'.
        Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning chicken, hen.
        In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)

        Although my surname is similar there is no connection.

        Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY surnames
        Kuracina.
        The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada 1910-1919.
        Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina in New York
        State.
        A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a lawyer ?

        Frank K
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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      • Bill Tarkulich
        David, What do you mean a day of joining ? Records are organized first by year, then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know the district,
        Message 3 of 21 , Jun 7, 2004
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          David,
          What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are organized first by year,
          then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know the district,
          it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
          There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to approach the correct
          national archive.

          ______________
          Bill Tarkulich




          -----Original Message-----
          From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
          Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


          Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day of joining and
          a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907 like previous
          email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to the family



          David
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Bill Tarkulich
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
          Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military


          David,
          Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective present-day
          nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then everything is in
          Vienna.
          Suggest you start with this material and read all the links too:
          http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm

          Phone books:
          Slovakia - instructions and links:
          http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
          Czech Republic - instructions and links
          http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm

          Good luck,


          ______________
          Bill Tarkulich




          -----Original Message-----
          From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
          Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [S-R] Austria Military


          K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I would have to
          contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available about a
          relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the Kondrc, dont have
          exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).

          Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
          (and directions if they arent in english?)

          David Decker
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Frank
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
          Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia


          --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
          > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you could count
          the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its coming from a
          book and they had to be carefull on what information wa said. I have
          to think its near bratislava though because she refers to it alot as
          town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring anybells?
          >
          > These is for a Branch of one of the families
          >
          > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or not
          > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was married to a
          Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe. From a
          SS-5 form its says Brestovany
          >
          > Ok well thanks again

          The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles ENE of
          Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any located just NE
          of Brestovany.

          The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc under Trvana.
          The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
          The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.

          Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from Canada.
          There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in Canada) and a
          Peter (in Canada)
          >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk) Jecenye (H) east
          of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.

          One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant 'chicken soup'.
          Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning chicken, hen.
          In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)

          Although my surname is similar there is no connection.

          Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY surnames
          Kuracina.
          The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada 1910-1919.
          Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina in New York
          State.
          A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a lawyer ?

          Frank K
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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        • maze_r@hotmail.com
          Well actually all i know is the year and the possible location (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I know my line of Kondrcs are
          Message 4 of 21 , Jun 7, 2004
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            Well actually all i know is the year and the possible location (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically hoping that Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917 from the book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to figure out how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her fathers name to begin with might be a start.

            Well thats about it for now that i Can think off, thanks for all the good info so far, really wish i was closer or had some time to get over to Slovakia.

            David
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Bill Tarkulich
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
            Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military


            David,
            What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are organized first by year,
            then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know the district,
            it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
            There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to approach the correct
            national archive.

            ______________
            Bill Tarkulich




            -----Original Message-----
            From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
            Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


            Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day of joining and
            a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907 like previous
            email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to the family



            David
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Bill Tarkulich
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
            Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military


            David,
            Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective present-day
            nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then everything is in
            Vienna.
            Suggest you start with this material and read all the links too:
            http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm

            Phone books:
            Slovakia - instructions and links:
            http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
            Czech Republic - instructions and links
            http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm

            Good luck,


            ______________
            Bill Tarkulich




            -----Original Message-----
            From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
            Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [S-R] Austria Military


            K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I would have to
            contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available about a
            relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the Kondrc, dont have
            exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).

            Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
            (and directions if they arent in english?)

            David Decker
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Frank
            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
            Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia


            --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
            > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you could count
            the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its coming from a
            book and they had to be carefull on what information wa said. I have
            to think its near bratislava though because she refers to it alot as
            town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring anybells?
            >
            > These is for a Branch of one of the families
            >
            > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or not
            > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was married to a
            Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe. From a
            SS-5 form its says Brestovany
            >
            > Ok well thanks again

            The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles ENE of
            Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any located just NE
            of Brestovany.

            The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc under Trvana.
            The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
            The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.

            Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from Canada.
            There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in Canada) and a
            Peter (in Canada)
            >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk) Jecenye (H) east
            of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.

            One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant 'chicken soup'.
            Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning chicken, hen.
            In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)

            Although my surname is similar there is no connection.

            Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY surnames
            Kuracina.
            The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada 1910-1919.
            Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina in New York
            State.
            A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a lawyer ?

            Frank K
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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          • Bill Tarkulich
            Military records are not much help in establishing lineage. They mostly show the name, village and next of kin (typically a parent). Take a look at some
            Message 5 of 21 , Jun 8, 2004
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              Military records are not much help in establishing lineage. They mostly
              show the name, village and next of kin (typically a parent). Take a
              look at some sample records here
              http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm
              which examples represent the Snina Military district in present-day
              Slovakia.
              Good Luck,
              Bill Tarkulich

              -----Original Message-----
              From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
              Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 11:43 PM
              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


              Well actually all i know is the year and the possible location
              (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I know
              my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically hoping that
              Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917 from the
              book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to figure out
              how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her fathers name
              to begin with might be a start.

              Well thats about it for now that i Can think off, thanks for all the
              good info so far, really wish i was closer or had some time to get over
              to Slovakia.

              David
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Bill Tarkulich
              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
              Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military


              David,
              What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are organized first by
              year,
              then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know the
              district,
              it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
              There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to approach the
              correct
              national archive.

              ______________
              Bill Tarkulich




              -----Original Message-----
              From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
              Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


              Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day of
              joining and
              a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907 like
              previous
              email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to the family



              David
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Bill Tarkulich
              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
              Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military


              David,
              Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective
              present-day
              nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then everything is
              in
              Vienna.
              Suggest you start with this material and read all the links too:
              http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm

              Phone books:
              Slovakia - instructions and links:
              http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
              Czech Republic - instructions and links
              http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm

              Good luck,


              ______________
              Bill Tarkulich




              -----Original Message-----
              From: maze_r@... [mailto:maze_r@...]
              Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-R] Austria Military


              K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I would
              have to
              contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available about a
              relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the Kondrc, dont
              have
              exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).

              Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
              (and directions if they arent in english?)

              David Decker
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Frank
              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
              Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia


              --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
              > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you could
              count
              the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its coming
              from a
              book and they had to be carefull on what information wa said. I
              have
              to think its near bratislava though because she refers to it alot
              as
              town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring
              anybells?
              >
              > These is for a Branch of one of the families
              >
              > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or not
              > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was married
              to a
              Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe. From a

              SS-5 form its says Brestovany
              >
              > Ok well thanks again

              The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles ENE of
              Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any located just
              NE
              of Brestovany.

              The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc under
              Trvana.
              The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
              The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.

              Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from Canada.
              There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in Canada) and
              a
              Peter (in Canada)
              >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk) Jecenye (H)
              east
              of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.

              One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant 'chicken
              soup'.
              Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning chicken,
              hen.
              In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)

              Although my surname is similar there is no connection.

              Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY surnames
              Kuracina.
              The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada 1910-1919.
              Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina in New
              York
              State.
              A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a lawyer ?

              Frank K
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            • Frank
              ... (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically hoping that Cecilia Kondrc
              Message 6 of 21 , Jun 8, 2004
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                --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                > Well actually all i know is the year and the possible location
                (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I
                know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically hoping that
                Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917 from the
                book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to figure out
                how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her fathers
                name to begin with might be a start.

                Dave

                So your grandfather was Frank Kondrc.
                Who was Anna Kondrc (1890-1980) ? perhaps née (maiden name) Benyak ?
                Thew other surname posted was Benjak.
                In Slavic languages and Hungarian the letter j is pron. y.
                PA as in Kittanning ?

                So Lejskove must be located near Nyitra ?
                Perhaps it was actually Lajosfalu, Lojschow, Lajosfalva, Lajos,
                Lojschow, Lajos^ová, now called L'udovítová and located 5 miles north
                of Nitra.

                v
                Frank Kurcina


                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Bill Tarkulich
                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
                > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                >
                >
                > David,
                > What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are organized first
                by year,
                > then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know the
                district,
                > it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
                > There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to approach
                the correct
                > national archive.
                >
                > ______________
                > Bill Tarkulich
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                >
                >
                > Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day of
                joining and
                > a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907 like
                previous
                > email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to the
                family
                >
                >
                >
                > David
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Bill Tarkulich
                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
                > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                >
                >
                > David,
                > Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective
                present-day
                > nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then
                everything is in
                > Vienna.
                > Suggest you start with this material and read all the links too:
                >
                http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm
                >
                > Phone books:
                > Slovakia - instructions and links:
                > http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
                > Czech Republic - instructions and links
                > http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm
                >
                > Good luck,
                >
                >
                > ______________
                > Bill Tarkulich
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [S-R] Austria Military
                >
                >
                > K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I would
                have to
                > contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available
                about a
                > relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the Kondrc,
                dont have
                > exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).
                >
                > Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
                > (and directions if they arent in english?)
                >
                > David Decker
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Frank
                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
                > Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia
                >
                >
                > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                > > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you could
                count
                > the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its
                coming from a
                > book and they had to be carefull on what information wa said.
                I have
                > to think its near bratislava though because she refers to it
                alot as
                > town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring
                anybells?
                > >
                > > These is for a Branch of one of the families
                > >
                > > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or not
                > > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was
                married to a
                > Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe.
                From a
                > SS-5 form its says Brestovany
                > >
                > > Ok well thanks again
                >
                > The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles ENE
                of
                > Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any located
                just NE
                > of Brestovany.
                >
                > The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc under
                Trvana.
                > The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
                > The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.
                >
                > Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from
                Canada.
                > There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in Canada)
                and a
                > Peter (in Canada)
                > >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk) Jecenye
                (H) east
                > of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.
                >
                > One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant
                'chicken soup'.
                > Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning chicken,
                hen.
                > In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)
                >
                > Although my surname is similar there is no connection.
                >
                > Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY surnames
                > Kuracina.
                > The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada
                1910-1919.
                > Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina in
                New York
                > State.
                > A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a lawyer
                ?
                >
                > Frank K
                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
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              • maze_r@hotmail.com
                Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa for a bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of Kittianning. Anna s maiden name
                Message 7 of 21 , Jun 8, 2004
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                  Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa for a bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of Kittianning. Anna's maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents names where Paul Benjak and Maria Lisciski.

                  So we have
                  Micheal Kondrc + Maria Kuracina (Houibe)sp. Brestovany) we had a discussion on what the H was a while back. but we figured we could read brestovany at the least.
                  -- Steve Kondrc - Came to America 1906 from the 1930 Census form (married in 1907 in Cherolio PA)


                  Paul Benjak + Maria Lisciski Lejskove, Czechslovakia
                  -- Anna Benjak - came to america in 1907 from the 1930 Census form

                  Steve + Anna

                  Frank Kondrc married a Jolan Maczek
                  ----ect ect ect

                  Going to try and scan some of the SS-5 Forms so maybe others can get a better look at it.

                  as a side note
                  can anyone tell me about this I found a Beyk, Anna on roughly 18 yrs old on a ship out of Bremen that arrivede Aug 7, 1907 not sure if its her. But its the closest thing i can find. And i cant few the orginal because i guess its not scanned at the moment.


                  Galicy Austria Lysakow, galicy

                  ----- Original Message -----

                  From: Frank
                  To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:07 PM
                  Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


                  --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                  > Well actually all i know is the year and the possible location
                  (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I
                  know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically hoping that
                  Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917 from the
                  book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to figure out
                  how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her fathers
                  name to begin with might be a start.

                  Dave

                  So your grandfather was Frank Kondrc.
                  Who was Anna Kondrc (1890-1980) ? perhaps née (maiden name) Benyak ?
                  Thew other surname posted was Benjak.
                  In Slavic languages and Hungarian the letter j is pron. y.
                  PA as in Kittanning ?

                  So Lejskove must be located near Nyitra ?
                  Perhaps it was actually Lajosfalu, Lojschow, Lajosfalva, Lajos,
                  Lojschow, Lajos^ová, now called L'udovítová and located 5 miles north
                  of Nitra.

                  v
                  Frank Kurcina


                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Bill Tarkulich
                  > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
                  > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                  >
                  >
                  > David,
                  > What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are organized first
                  by year,
                  > then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know the
                  district,
                  > it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
                  > There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to approach
                  the correct
                  > national archive.
                  >
                  > ______________
                  > Bill Tarkulich
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                  > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
                  > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                  >
                  >
                  > Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day of
                  joining and
                  > a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907 like
                  previous
                  > email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to the
                  family
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > David
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Bill Tarkulich
                  > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
                  > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                  >
                  >
                  > David,
                  > Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective
                  present-day
                  > nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then
                  everything is in
                  > Vienna.
                  > Suggest you start with this material and read all the links too:
                  >
                  http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm
                  >
                  > Phone books:
                  > Slovakia - instructions and links:
                  > http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
                  > Czech Republic - instructions and links
                  > http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm
                  >
                  > Good luck,
                  >
                  >
                  > ______________
                  > Bill Tarkulich
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                  > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
                  > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: [S-R] Austria Military
                  >
                  >
                  > K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I would
                  have to
                  > contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available
                  about a
                  > relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the Kondrc,
                  dont have
                  > exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).
                  >
                  > Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
                  > (and directions if they arent in english?)
                  >
                  > David Decker
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Frank
                  > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                  > > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you could
                  count
                  > the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its
                  coming from a
                  > book and they had to be carefull on what information wa said.
                  I have
                  > to think its near bratislava though because she refers to it
                  alot as
                  > town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring
                  anybells?
                  > >
                  > > These is for a Branch of one of the families
                  > >
                  > > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or not
                  > > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was
                  married to a
                  > Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe.
                  From a
                  > SS-5 form its says Brestovany
                  > >
                  > > Ok well thanks again
                  >
                  > The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles ENE
                  of
                  > Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any located
                  just NE
                  > of Brestovany.
                  >
                  > The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc under
                  Trvana.
                  > The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
                  > The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.
                  >
                  > Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from
                  Canada.
                  > There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in Canada)
                  and a
                  > Peter (in Canada)
                  > >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk) Jecenye
                  (H) east
                  > of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.
                  >
                  > One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant
                  'chicken soup'.
                  > Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning chicken,
                  hen.
                  > In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)
                  >
                  > Although my surname is similar there is no connection.
                  >
                  > Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY surnames
                  > Kuracina.
                  > The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada
                  1910-1919.
                  > Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina in
                  New York
                  > State.
                  > A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a lawyer
                  ?
                  >
                  > Frank K
                  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  >
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                • Frank
                  ... bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of Kittianning. Anna s maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents names where Paul Benjak
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                    --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                    > Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa for a
                    bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of Kittianning.
                    Anna's maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents names
                    where Paul Benjak and Maria Lisciski.
                    >
                    > So we have
                    > Micheal Kondrc + Maria Kuracina (Houibe)sp. Brestovany) we had
                    a discussion on what the H was a while back. but we figured we could
                    read brestovany at the least.
                    > -- Steve Kondrc - Came to America 1906 from the 1930 Census form
                    (married in 1907 in Cherolio PA)
                    >
                    >
                    > Paul Benjak + Maria Lisciski Lejskove, Czechslovakia
                    > -- Anna Benjak - came to america in 1907 from the 1930 Census form
                    >
                    > Steve + Anna
                    >
                    > Frank Kondrc married a Jolan Maczek
                    > ----ect ect ect
                    >
                    > Going to try and scan some of the SS-5 Forms so maybe others can get
                    a better look at it.
                    >
                    > as a side note
                    > can anyone tell me about this I found a Beyk, Anna on roughly 18
                    yrs old on a ship out of Bremen that arrivede Aug 7, 1907 not sure if
                    its her. But its the closest thing i can find. And i cant few the
                    orginal because i guess its not scanned at the moment.
                    >
                    >
                    > Galicy Austria Lysakow, galicy

                    David

                    Many Polish surnames end in -ski or -cki.
                    In older records you sometimes read -sky (before spelling rules
                    were adapted); but in recent times tendency to insist on -ski.
                    Probably a possessive affix added to name which evolved from person's
                    characteristics (such as 'tall, short, etc.), occupation, or place
                    of residence.
                    In Czech and Slovak, the -sky is akin to the Polish -ski, while -cky
                    is similar to Polish -cki.
                    Lisciski might have been spelled Liseiski or Liseski or some other
                    spelling ?

                    EIR list 53 surnames Benyak and 30 surnames Benjak.
                    Anna was listed with the Dutch surnames Beyk in EIR which was not
                    unusual with Eastern European names, especially if Polish.
                    The Anna Beyk, age 18 (b. abt. 1899) from Lysakow, Galicia looks like
                    her entry to US.
                    No image copy of ship manifest so only know her Last Residence in
                    Europe.

                    There are 5 Lysakow located in Poland.
                    Polish y is pron. i and letter w is pron. v.
                    Expect it is the one located 132 miles south of Warszawa and near
                    Tarnow in SE poland and not far from the currnet NE Slovakia border.

                    How are you ? English

                    Wie geht es Ihnen ? German

                    Hogy Van ? Hungarian

                    Ako sa más^ ? Slovak

                    Jak sie masz ? Polish

                    Bsides a Katarina Kondrc, Slovak, who emigrated from Buc^any in 1921
                    there were two surnames Sokolowski who traveled with her to US.
                    They went to b-i-l Jakub Trubacik in St. Louis, MO.

                    Jolan looks like a short form of Polish first name Jolanta, Jolenta
                    (Yolanda)- Saint.

                    Charleroi was located in Washington CO south of Pittsburgh and between
                    Cokesburg and Donora PA .

                    Ford City and Kittanning in Armstrong CO located north of
                    Pittsburgh.


                    >From the late 1700s until the end of WW I, Poland did not exist as a
                    country. It was divided among the Russian, German (Prussian), and
                    Austrian Empires.
                    The southern Polish territories around Kraków and Lwów were
                    incorporated into the Austrian Empire and renamed "Galicia".

                    By the First Partition of Poland (1792), Austria had obtained Galicia
                    (consisting of Red Russia, the city of Lemberg [Lwów], a part of
                    western Podolia, and southern Little Poland). Austria did not take
                    any Polish land in the Second Partition. During the Third Partition
                    1795) of Poland, Austria took the remainder of Little Poland and
                    Kraków.

                    Galicia was formerly a Austrian Crownland and part of Austro-Hungarian
                    Monarchy(1867-1918). Sometimes referred to as Austrian Poland.
                    Other names for the area were Galicja (Polish), Galizien (German),
                    Halychyna (Ukrainian) and Rus Halicka (Polish).

                    In 1918, Galicia was annexed to Poland as "Malopolska" (Little
                    Poland).
                    After the 1939 partition of Poland by Germany and Russia, East Galicia
                    became part of Ukraine while West Galicia remained in Poland.
                    Its former territories are now shared between southern Poland and
                    western Ukraine.

                    > From: Frank
                    > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:07 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                    > > Well actually all i know is the year and the possible location
                    > (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I
                    > know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically hoping
                    that
                    > Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917 from
                    the
                    > book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to figure
                    out
                    > how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her
                    fathers
                    > name to begin with might be a start.
                    >
                    > Dave
                    >
                    > So your grandfather was Frank Kondrc.
                    > Who was Anna Kondrc (1890-1980) ? perhaps née (maiden name) Benyak
                    ?
                    > Thew other surname posted was Benjak.
                    > In Slavic languages and Hungarian the letter j is pron. y.
                    > PA as in Kittanning ?
                    >
                    > So Lejskove must be located near Nyitra ?
                    > Perhaps it was actually Lajosfalu, Lojschow, Lajosfalva, Lajos,
                    > Lojschow, Lajos^ová, now called L'udovítová and located 5 miles
                    north
                    > of Nitra.
                    >
                    > v
                    > Frank Kurcina
                    >
                    >
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                    > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
                    > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > David,
                    > > What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are organized
                    first
                    > by year,
                    > > then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know
                    the
                    > district,
                    > > it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
                    > > There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to
                    approach
                    > the correct
                    > > national archive.
                    > >
                    > > ______________
                    > > Bill Tarkulich
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > -----Original Message-----
                    > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                    > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
                    > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day
                    of
                    > joining and
                    > > a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907
                    like
                    > previous
                    > > email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to
                    the
                    > family
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > David
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                    > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
                    > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > David,
                    > > Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective
                    > present-day
                    > > nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then
                    > everything is in
                    > > Vienna.
                    > > Suggest you start with this material and read all the links
                    too:
                    > >
                    >
                    http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm
                    > >
                    > > Phone books:
                    > > Slovakia - instructions and links:
                    > > http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
                    > > Czech Republic - instructions and links
                    > > http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm
                    > >
                    > > Good luck,
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ______________
                    > > Bill Tarkulich
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > -----Original Message-----
                    > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                    > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
                    > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Subject: [S-R] Austria Military
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I
                    would
                    > have to
                    > > contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available
                    > about a
                    > > relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the
                    Kondrc,
                    > dont have
                    > > exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).
                    > >
                    > > Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
                    > > (and directions if they arent in english?)
                    > >
                    > > David Decker
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: Frank
                    > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
                    > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                    > > > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you
                    could
                    > count
                    > > the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its
                    > coming from a
                    > > book and they had to be carefull on what information wa
                    said.
                    > I have
                    > > to think its near bratislava though because she refers to
                    it
                    > alot as
                    > > town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring
                    > anybells?
                    > > >
                    > > > These is for a Branch of one of the families
                    > > >
                    > > > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or
                    not
                    > > > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was
                    > married to a
                    > > Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe.

                    > From a
                    > > SS-5 form its says Brestovany
                    > > >
                    > > > Ok well thanks again
                    > >
                    > > The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles
                    ENE
                    > of
                    > > Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any
                    located
                    > just NE
                    > > of Brestovany.
                    > >
                    > > The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc
                    under
                    > Trvana.
                    > > The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
                    > > The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.
                    > >
                    > > Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from
                    > Canada.
                    > > There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in
                    Canada)
                    > and a
                    > > Peter (in Canada)
                    > > >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk)
                    Jecenye
                    > (H) east
                    > > of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.
                    > >
                    > > One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant
                    > 'chicken soup'.
                    > > Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning
                    chicken,
                    > hen.
                    > > In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)
                    > >
                    > > Although my surname is similar there is no connection.
                    > >
                    > > Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY
                    surnames
                    > > Kuracina.
                    > > The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada
                    > 1910-1919.
                    > > Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina
                    in
                    > New York
                    > > State.
                    > > A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a
                    lawyer
                    > ?
                    > >
                    > > Frank K
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                    Charleroi, PA, is located in Washington County, four miles south of Monongahela, PA. It is not near Cokeburg (not Cokesburg). There is an attorney with an
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                      Charleroi, PA, is located in Washington County, four miles south of
                      Monongahela, PA. It is not near Cokeburg (not Cokesburg). There is an
                      attorney with an office in Charleroi, named Alan Benyak. Also, there was
                      an RC Church in Charleroi, known as SS Cyril and Methodius. It is no
                      longer active, but the church records are now maintained by Mary, Mother
                      of the Church. SS Cyril and Methodius Church was my family's home
                      parish.

                      William F. Brna

                      On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:28:36 -0000 "Frank" <frankur@...>
                      writes:
                      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                      > > Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa for
                      > a
                      > bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of Kittianning.
                      >
                      > Anna's maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents names
                      >
                      > where Paul Benjak and Maria Lisciski.
                      > >
                      > > So we have
                      > > Micheal Kondrc + Maria Kuracina (Houibe)sp. Brestovany) we
                      > had
                      > a discussion on what the H was a while back. but we figured we
                      > could
                      > read brestovany at the least.
                      > > -- Steve Kondrc - Came to America 1906 from the 1930 Census form
                      >
                      > (married in 1907 in Cherolio PA)
                      > >
                      > > Paul Benjak + Maria Lisciski Lejskove, Czechslovakia
                      > > -- Anna Benjak - came to america in 1907 from the 1930 Census
                      > form

                      > Charleroi was located in Washington CO south of Pittsburgh and
                      > between
                      > Cokesburg and Donora PA .
                      >
                    • maze_r@hotmail.com
                      Thanks Frank and William. I think Steve and Anna are buried in Ford City @ Holy Trinity if my memory serves me. Well i scanned the Ss-5 forms does anyone
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                        Thanks Frank and William. I think Steve and Anna are buried in Ford City @ Holy Trinity if my memory serves me. Well i scanned the Ss-5 forms does anyone want to take a gander at them to see if they can gleam anything else off it.

                        As for Jolan she was born in Prague to an Elly Perutz and Walter maczek. Found living Maczek in berlin. Walter died in a car accident in Carrcicone France (sp). Elly married like 3 times. Elly Perutz (maiden), Elly Maczek, Elly Elliman (last know name) and one more which eludes me but have it written down somewhere. Jolan is my grandmother and still alive so i can get some good info. She came to america via Hallifax so I am trying to get the papers from that but have not had the time to look it up. She came on the MS Erria.

                        There is only 1 Kondrc that I know left in America, and she is around 93 i think. We try and get as much info as we can from here.

                        Im not sure if Anna/Steve came throught Ellis Island. *i did do the missing manifest search for Anna Beyk name but there was no listing saw a few of the pages from the Krown Prince Willhelm.

                        On a side note I also have like a 5 page thing from the austrain army saying that my great great grandfather Maczek was a noble or knighted for his duties (in german). And I know that Cecilia's father was in the military (which is the only way right now i can get his name).

                        Michael in Slovak would be?
                        Steve in Slovak would be?
                        Maria in Slovak would be?

                        not sure if any of the names change.

                        I remember reading somewhere that the female version of a name adds ova in slovak? and Frank added the sky info.


                        Maybe that might help me in my quest?
                        Thanks for the continued help

                        David Decker
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: Frank
                        To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:28 AM
                        Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


                        --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                        > Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa for a
                        bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of Kittianning.
                        Anna's maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents names
                        where Paul Benjak and Maria Lisciski.
                        >
                        > So we have
                        > Micheal Kondrc + Maria Kuracina (Houibe)sp. Brestovany) we had
                        a discussion on what the H was a while back. but we figured we could
                        read brestovany at the least.
                        > -- Steve Kondrc - Came to America 1906 from the 1930 Census form
                        (married in 1907 in Cherolio PA)
                        >
                        >
                        > Paul Benjak + Maria Lisciski Lejskove, Czechslovakia
                        > -- Anna Benjak - came to america in 1907 from the 1930 Census form
                        >
                        > Steve + Anna
                        >
                        > Frank Kondrc married a Jolan Maczek
                        > ----ect ect ect
                        >
                        > Going to try and scan some of the SS-5 Forms so maybe others can get
                        a better look at it.
                        >
                        > as a side note
                        > can anyone tell me about this I found a Beyk, Anna on roughly 18
                        yrs old on a ship out of Bremen that arrivede Aug 7, 1907 not sure if
                        its her. But its the closest thing i can find. And i cant few the
                        orginal because i guess its not scanned at the moment.
                        >
                        >
                        > Galicy Austria Lysakow, galicy

                        David

                        Many Polish surnames end in -ski or -cki.
                        In older records you sometimes read -sky (before spelling rules
                        were adapted); but in recent times tendency to insist on -ski.
                        Probably a possessive affix added to name which evolved from person's
                        characteristics (such as 'tall, short, etc.), occupation, or place
                        of residence.
                        In Czech and Slovak, the -sky is akin to the Polish -ski, while -cky
                        is similar to Polish -cki.
                        Lisciski might have been spelled Liseiski or Liseski or some other
                        spelling ?

                        EIR list 53 surnames Benyak and 30 surnames Benjak.
                        Anna was listed with the Dutch surnames Beyk in EIR which was not
                        unusual with Eastern European names, especially if Polish.
                        The Anna Beyk, age 18 (b. abt. 1899) from Lysakow, Galicia looks like
                        her entry to US.
                        No image copy of ship manifest so only know her Last Residence in
                        Europe.

                        There are 5 Lysakow located in Poland.
                        Polish y is pron. i and letter w is pron. v.
                        Expect it is the one located 132 miles south of Warszawa and near
                        Tarnow in SE poland and not far from the currnet NE Slovakia border.

                        How are you ? English

                        Wie geht es Ihnen ? German

                        Hogy Van ? Hungarian

                        Ako sa más^ ? Slovak

                        Jak sie masz ? Polish

                        Bsides a Katarina Kondrc, Slovak, who emigrated from Buc^any in 1921
                        there were two surnames Sokolowski who traveled with her to US.
                        They went to b-i-l Jakub Trubacik in St. Louis, MO.

                        Jolan looks like a short form of Polish first name Jolanta, Jolenta
                        (Yolanda)- Saint.

                        Charleroi was located in Washington CO south of Pittsburgh and between
                        Cokesburg and Donora PA .

                        Ford City and Kittanning in Armstrong CO located north of
                        Pittsburgh.


                        >From the late 1700s until the end of WW I, Poland did not exist as a
                        country. It was divided among the Russian, German (Prussian), and
                        Austrian Empires.
                        The southern Polish territories around Kraków and Lwów were
                        incorporated into the Austrian Empire and renamed "Galicia".

                        By the First Partition of Poland (1792), Austria had obtained Galicia
                        (consisting of Red Russia, the city of Lemberg [Lwów], a part of
                        western Podolia, and southern Little Poland). Austria did not take
                        any Polish land in the Second Partition. During the Third Partition
                        1795) of Poland, Austria took the remainder of Little Poland and
                        Kraków.

                        Galicia was formerly a Austrian Crownland and part of Austro-Hungarian
                        Monarchy(1867-1918). Sometimes referred to as Austrian Poland.
                        Other names for the area were Galicja (Polish), Galizien (German),
                        Halychyna (Ukrainian) and Rus Halicka (Polish).

                        In 1918, Galicia was annexed to Poland as "Malopolska" (Little
                        Poland).
                        After the 1939 partition of Poland by Germany and Russia, East Galicia
                        became part of Ukraine while West Galicia remained in Poland.
                        Its former territories are now shared between southern Poland and
                        western Ukraine.

                        > From: Frank
                        > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:07 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                        > > Well actually all i know is the year and the possible location
                        > (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each other.. I
                        > know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically hoping
                        that
                        > Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917 from
                        the
                        > book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to figure
                        out
                        > how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her
                        fathers
                        > name to begin with might be a start.
                        >
                        > Dave
                        >
                        > So your grandfather was Frank Kondrc.
                        > Who was Anna Kondrc (1890-1980) ? perhaps née (maiden name) Benyak
                        ?
                        > Thew other surname posted was Benjak.
                        > In Slavic languages and Hungarian the letter j is pron. y.
                        > PA as in Kittanning ?
                        >
                        > So Lejskove must be located near Nyitra ?
                        > Perhaps it was actually Lajosfalu, Lojschow, Lajosfalva, Lajos,
                        > Lojschow, Lajos^ová, now called L'udovítová and located 5 miles
                        north
                        > of Nitra.
                        >
                        > v
                        > Frank Kurcina
                        >
                        >
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                        > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
                        > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > David,
                        > > What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are organized
                        first
                        > by year,
                        > > then by recruiting district. In small districts If you know
                        the
                        > district,
                        > > it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
                        > > There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to
                        approach
                        > the correct
                        > > national archive.
                        > >
                        > > ______________
                        > > Bill Tarkulich
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                        > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
                        > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a day
                        of
                        > joining and
                        > > a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not 1907
                        like
                        > previous
                        > > email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war to
                        the
                        > family
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > David
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                        > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
                        > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > David,
                        > > Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the respective
                        > present-day
                        > > nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then
                        > everything is in
                        > > Vienna.
                        > > Suggest you start with this material and read all the links
                        too:
                        > >
                        >
                        http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm
                        > >
                        > > Phone books:
                        > > Slovakia - instructions and links:
                        > > http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
                        > > Czech Republic - instructions and links
                        > > http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm
                        > >
                        > > Good luck,
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ______________
                        > > Bill Tarkulich
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                        > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
                        > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Subject: [S-R] Austria Military
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I
                        would
                        > have to
                        > > contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available
                        > about a
                        > > relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the
                        Kondrc,
                        > dont have
                        > > exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).
                        > >
                        > > Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
                        > > (and directions if they arent in english?)
                        > >
                        > > David Decker
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: Frank
                        > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
                        > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                        > > > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you
                        could
                        > count
                        > > the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its
                        > coming from a
                        > > book and they had to be carefull on what information wa
                        said.
                        > I have
                        > > to think its near bratislava though because she refers to
                        it
                        > alot as
                        > > town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring
                        > anybells?
                        > > >
                        > > > These is for a Branch of one of the families
                        > > >
                        > > > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or
                        not
                        > > > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was
                        > married to a
                        > > Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe.

                        > From a
                        > > SS-5 form its says Brestovany
                        > > >
                        > > > Ok well thanks again
                        > >
                        > > The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles
                        ENE
                        > of
                        > > Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any
                        located
                        > just NE
                        > > of Brestovany.
                        > >
                        > > The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc
                        under
                        > Trvana.
                        > > The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
                        > > The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.
                        > >
                        > > Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from
                        > Canada.
                        > > There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in
                        Canada)
                        > and a
                        > > Peter (in Canada)
                        > > >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk)
                        Jecenye
                        > (H) east
                        > > of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.
                        > >
                        > > One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant
                        > 'chicken soup'.
                        > > Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning
                        chicken,
                        > hen.
                        > > In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)
                        > >
                        > > Although my surname is similar there is no connection.
                        > >
                        > > Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY
                        surnames
                        > > Kuracina.
                        > > The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada
                        > 1910-1919.
                        > > Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina
                        in
                        > New York
                        > > State.
                        > > A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a
                        lawyer
                        > ?
                        > >
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                      • Vladimir Linder
                        I will be off to Slovakia in 9 hours and will return on August 5. If you need anything you can email me at: vlinder49@hotmail.com or you can also call me at my
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                          I will be off to Slovakia in 9 hours and will return on August 5.

                          If you need anything you can email me at: vlinder49@...

                          or you can also call me at my cell: 011-4210907-297-508

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                        • Vladimir Bohinc
                          Dear Mr.Decker, Regarding genealogical issues around Brestovany and Lieskove and maybe also military records I might have something useful to tell you. Please,
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                            Dear Mr.Decker,
                            Regarding genealogical issues around Brestovany and Lieskove and maybe also military records I might have something useful to tell you. Please, contact me directly at konekta@...
                            Regards,
                            Vladimir Bohinc

                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: maze_r@...
                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:12 AM
                            Subject: [S-R] Austria Military


                            K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who I would have to contact, or go about contacting for imformation if available about a relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the Kondrc, dont have exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).

                            Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone books
                            (and directions if they arent in english?)

                            David Decker
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Frank
                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
                            Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia


                            --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                            > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small you could count
                            the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since its coming from a
                            book and they had to be carefull on what information wa said. I have
                            to think its near bratislava though because she refers to it alot as
                            town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior ring anybells?
                            >
                            > These is for a Branch of one of the families
                            >
                            > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area or not
                            > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who was married to a
                            Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings maybe. From a
                            SS-5 form its says Brestovany
                            >
                            > Ok well thanks again

                            The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31 miles ENE of
                            Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any located just NE
                            of Brestovany.

                            The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname Kondrc under Trvana.
                            The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
                            The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under Bratislava.

                            Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina from Canada.
                            There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in Canada) and a
                            Peter (in Canada)
                            >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk) Jecenye (H) east
                            of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.

                            One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant 'chicken soup'.
                            Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning chicken, hen.
                            In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)

                            Although my surname is similar there is no connection.

                            Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY surnames
                            Kuracina.
                            The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to Canada 1910-1919.
                            Believe that they never received a reply from any Kuracina in New York
                            State.
                            A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a lawyer ?

                            Frank K
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                          • Frank
                            ... an ... there was ... no ... Mother ... Charleroi (Charles (French) pron. Sharl + roi = king) Charleroi PA was founded in 1890 and named after Charleroi,
                            Message 13 of 21 , Jun 9, 2004
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                              --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, William F Brna <wfbrna@j...>
                              wrote:
                              > Charleroi, PA, is located in Washington County, four miles south of
                              > Monongahela, PA. It is not near Cokeburg (not Cokesburg). There is
                              an
                              > attorney with an office in Charleroi, named Alan Benyak. Also,
                              there was
                              > an RC Church in Charleroi, known as SS Cyril and Methodius. It is
                              no
                              > longer active, but the church records are now maintained by Mary,
                              Mother
                              > of the Church. SS Cyril and Methodius Church was my family's home
                              > parish.
                              >
                              > William F. Brna

                              Charleroi
                              (Charles (French) pron. Sharl + roi = king)
                              Charleroi PA was founded in 1890 and named after Charleroi, Belgium.
                              Many Belique emigrants came to new Charleroi located 25 miles
                              south of Pittsburgh from the old country town to make glass.

                              driving distances from Charleroi
                              Monessen 4 miles
                              Mononghela 5 miles
                              Donora 8 miles
                              Cokeburg 14 miles


                              Frank K
                              >
                              > On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:28:36 -0000 "Frank" <frankur@w...>
                              > writes:
                              > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                              > > > Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa
                              for
                              > > a
                              > > bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of
                              Kittianning.
                              > >
                              > > Anna's maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents
                              names
                              > >
                              > > where Paul Benjak and Maria Lisciski.
                              > > >
                              > > > So we have
                              > > > Micheal Kondrc + Maria Kuracina (Houibe)sp. Brestovany) we
                              > > had
                              > > a discussion on what the H was a while back. but we figured we
                              > > could
                              > > read brestovany at the least.
                              > > > -- Steve Kondrc - Came to America 1906 from the 1930 Census
                              form
                              > >
                              > > (married in 1907 in Cherolio PA)
                              > > >
                              > > > Paul Benjak + Maria Lisciski Lejskove, Czechslovakia
                              > > > -- Anna Benjak - came to america in 1907 from the 1930 Census
                              > > form
                              >
                              > > Charleroi was located in Washington CO south of Pittsburgh and
                              > > between
                              > > Cokesburg and Donora PA .
                              > >
                            • Frank
                              ... City @ Holy Trinity if my memory serves me. Well i scanned the Ss-5 forms does anyone want to take a gander at them to see if they can gleam anything else
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                                --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                                > Thanks Frank and William. I think Steve and Anna are buried in Ford
                                City @ Holy Trinity if my memory serves me. Well i scanned the Ss-5
                                forms does anyone want to take a gander at them to see if they can
                                gleam anything else off it.
                                >
                                > As for Jolan she was born in Prague to an Elly Perutz and Walter
                                maczek. Found living Maczek in berlin. Walter died in a car accident
                                in Carrcicone France (sp). Elly married like 3 times. Elly Perutz
                                (maiden), Elly Maczek, Elly Elliman (last know name) and one more
                                which eludes me but have it written down somewhere. Jolan is my
                                grandmother and still alive so i can get some good info. She came to
                                america via Hallifax so I am trying to get the papers from that but
                                have not had the time to look it up. She came on the MS Erria.
                                >
                                > There is only 1 Kondrc that I know left in America, and she is
                                around 93 i think. We try and get as much info as we can from here.
                                >
                                > Im not sure if Anna/Steve came throught Ellis Island. *i did do the
                                missing manifest search for Anna Beyk name but there was no listing
                                saw a few of the pages from the Krown Prince Willhelm.
                                >
                                > On a side note I also have like a 5 page thing from the austrain
                                army saying that my great great grandfather Maczek was a noble or
                                knighted for his duties (in german). And I know that Cecilia's
                                father was in the military (which is the only way right now i can get
                                his name).
                                >
                                > Michael in Slovak would be?
                                > Steve in Slovak would be?
                                > Maria in Slovak would be?
                                >
                                > not sure if any of the names change.
                                >
                                > I remember reading somewhere that the female version of a name adds
                                ova in slovak? and Frank added the sky info.
                                >
                                >
                                > Maybe that might help me in my quest?
                                > Thanks for the continued help


                                David

                                One of most common Slavic surname affixes is the one denoting gender
                                of the bearer -ová (Slovak), -owa (Polish), and -oba (Russian).
                                As a rule of Slovak grammar, female surnames end in -á, -ská, or -ová.
                                The feminine form of the surnames is considered merely a separate form
                                of same surname, not a distinct surname in itself.
                                If the surname is adjectival in origin , i.e., ends in -y', the ending
                                changes to -á, so that wife of pán (Mr.) C^erny' would be pani (pi)
                                (Mrs.) C^erná and their daughter would be slec^na (sl) (Miss) C^erná
                                If surname is a noun in form or origin the suffix -ová is added to it,
                                e.g., pán Kovác^, pani Kovác^ová, slec^na Kovác^ová.


                                Michael (E) (G)
                                Mihály (Misa, Misko, Misi, Misike) (H)
                                Michal (Misko, Miso) (Sk)
                                Michal (P)


                                Stephen, Steven (E)
                                István (Pista, Pistika, Pityu) (H)
                                Stefan (G) (P)
                                Stefan (Steko, Stevko) (Sk)


                                Sister Cecilia died in Crown Point, IN.

                                What was the title of the 5 page Austrian Army document written in
                                German ?

                                During WW II there was a famous Polish General Maczek.
                                Stanislaw, Lieutenant-General
                                (1892-1995)


                                Frank K



                                > David Decker
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: Frank
                                > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:28 AM
                                > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                                >
                                >
                                > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                                > > Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa
                                for a
                                > bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of
                                Kittianning.
                                > Anna's maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents
                                names
                                > where Paul Benjak and Maria Lisciski.
                                > >
                                > > So we have
                                > > Micheal Kondrc + Maria Kuracina (Houibe)sp. Brestovany) we
                                had
                                > a discussion on what the H was a while back. but we figured we
                                could
                                > read brestovany at the least.
                                > > -- Steve Kondrc - Came to America 1906 from the 1930 Census
                                form
                                > (married in 1907 in Cherolio PA)
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Paul Benjak + Maria Lisciski Lejskove, Czechslovakia
                                > > -- Anna Benjak - came to america in 1907 from the 1930 Census
                                form
                                > >
                                > > Steve + Anna
                                > >
                                > > Frank Kondrc married a Jolan Maczek
                                > > ----ect ect ect
                                > >
                                > > Going to try and scan some of the SS-5 Forms so maybe others can
                                get
                                > a better look at it.
                                > >
                                > > as a side note
                                > > can anyone tell me about this I found a Beyk, Anna on roughly
                                18
                                > yrs old on a ship out of Bremen that arrivede Aug 7, 1907 not sure
                                if
                                > its her. But its the closest thing i can find. And i cant few
                                the
                                > orginal because i guess its not scanned at the moment.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Galicy Austria Lysakow, galicy
                                >
                                > David
                                >
                                > Many Polish surnames end in -ski or -cki.
                                > In older records you sometimes read -sky (before spelling rules
                                > were adapted); but in recent times tendency to insist on -ski.
                                > Probably a possessive affix added to name which evolved from
                                person's
                                > characteristics (such as 'tall, short, etc.), occupation, or
                                place
                                > of residence.
                                > In Czech and Slovak, the -sky is akin to the Polish -ski, while
                                -cky
                                > is similar to Polish -cki.
                                > Lisciski might have been spelled Liseiski or Liseski or some other
                                > spelling ?
                                >
                                > EIR list 53 surnames Benyak and 30 surnames Benjak.
                                > Anna was listed with the Dutch surnames Beyk in EIR which was not
                                > unusual with Eastern European names, especially if Polish.
                                > The Anna Beyk, age 18 (b. abt. 1899) from Lysakow, Galicia looks
                                like
                                > her entry to US.
                                > No image copy of ship manifest so only know her Last Residence in
                                > Europe.
                                >
                                > There are 5 Lysakow located in Poland.
                                > Polish y is pron. i and letter w is pron. v.
                                > Expect it is the one located 132 miles south of Warszawa and near
                                > Tarnow in SE poland and not far from the currnet NE Slovakia
                                border.
                                >
                                > How are you ? English
                                >
                                > Wie geht es Ihnen ? German
                                >
                                > Hogy Van ? Hungarian
                                >
                                > Ako sa más^ ? Slovak
                                >
                                > Jak sie masz ? Polish
                                >
                                > Bsides a Katarina Kondrc, Slovak, who emigrated from Buc^any in
                                1921
                                > there were two surnames Sokolowski who traveled with her to US.
                                > They went to b-i-l Jakub Trubacik in St. Louis, MO.
                                >
                                > Jolan looks like a short form of Polish first name Jolanta,
                                Jolenta
                                > (Yolanda)- Saint.
                                >
                                > Charleroi was located in Washington CO south of Pittsburgh and
                                between
                                > Cokesburg and Donora PA .
                                >
                                > Ford City and Kittanning in Armstrong CO located north of
                                > Pittsburgh.
                                >
                                >
                                > >From the late 1700s until the end of WW I, Poland did not exist
                                as a
                                > country. It was divided among the Russian, German (Prussian), and
                                > Austrian Empires.
                                > The southern Polish territories around Kraków and Lwów were
                                > incorporated into the Austrian Empire and renamed "Galicia".
                                >
                                > By the First Partition of Poland (1792), Austria had obtained
                                Galicia
                                > (consisting of Red Russia, the city of Lemberg [Lwów], a part of
                                > western Podolia, and southern Little Poland). Austria did not
                                take
                                > any Polish land in the Second Partition. During the Third
                                Partition
                                > 1795) of Poland, Austria took the remainder of Little Poland and
                                > Kraków.
                                >
                                > Galicia was formerly a Austrian Crownland and part of
                                Austro-Hungarian
                                > Monarchy(1867-1918). Sometimes referred to as Austrian Poland.
                                > Other names for the area were Galicja (Polish), Galizien (German),
                                > Halychyna (Ukrainian) and Rus Halicka (Polish).
                                >
                                > In 1918, Galicia was annexed to Poland as "Malopolska" (Little
                                > Poland).
                                > After the 1939 partition of Poland by Germany and Russia, East
                                Galicia
                                > became part of Ukraine while West Galicia remained in Poland.
                                > Its former territories are now shared between southern Poland and
                                > western Ukraine.
                                >
                                > > From: Frank
                                > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:07 PM
                                > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                                > > > Well actually all i know is the year and the possible
                                location
                                > > (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each
                                other.. I
                                > > know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically
                                hoping
                                > that
                                > > Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917
                                from
                                > the
                                > > book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to
                                figure
                                > out
                                > > how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her
                                > fathers
                                > > name to begin with might be a start.
                                > >
                                > > Dave
                                > >
                                > > So your grandfather was Frank Kondrc.
                                > > Who was Anna Kondrc (1890-1980) ? perhaps née (maiden name)
                                Benyak
                                > ?
                                > > Thew other surname posted was Benjak.
                                > > In Slavic languages and Hungarian the letter j is pron. y.
                                > > PA as in Kittanning ?
                                > >
                                > > So Lejskove must be located near Nyitra ?
                                > > Perhaps it was actually Lajosfalu, Lojschow, Lajosfalva,
                                Lajos,
                                > > Lojschow, Lajos^ová, now called L'udovítová and located 5
                                miles
                                > north
                                > > of Nitra.
                                > >
                                > > v
                                > > Frank Kurcina
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                                > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
                                > > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > David,
                                > > > What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are
                                organized
                                > first
                                > > by year,
                                > > > then by recruiting district. In small districts If you
                                know
                                > the
                                > > district,
                                > > > it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
                                > > > There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to
                                > approach
                                > > the correct
                                > > > national archive.
                                > > >
                                > > > ______________
                                > > > Bill Tarkulich
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                                > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
                                > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a
                                day
                                > of
                                > > joining and
                                > > > a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not
                                1907
                                > like
                                > > previous
                                > > > email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war
                                to
                                > the
                                > > family
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > David
                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                                > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
                                > > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > David,
                                > > > Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the
                                respective
                                > > present-day
                                > > > nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then
                                > > everything is in
                                > > > Vienna.
                                > > > Suggest you start with this material and read all the
                                links
                                > too:
                                > > >
                                > >
                                >
                                http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm
                                > > >
                                > > > Phone books:
                                > > > Slovakia - instructions and links:
                                > > > http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
                                > > > Czech Republic - instructions and links
                                > > > http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm
                                > > >
                                > > > Good luck,
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > ______________
                                > > > Bill Tarkulich
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                                > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
                                > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > Subject: [S-R] Austria Military
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who
                                I
                                > would
                                > > have to
                                > > > contact, or go about contacting for imformation if
                                available
                                > > about a
                                > > > relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the
                                > Kondrc,
                                > > dont have
                                > > > exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).
                                > > >
                                > > > Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone
                                books
                                > > > (and directions if they arent in english?)
                                > > >
                                > > > David Decker
                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > From: Frank
                                > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
                                > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...>
                                wrote:
                                > > > > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small
                                you
                                > could
                                > > count
                                > > > the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since
                                its
                                > > coming from a
                                > > > book and they had to be carefull on what information
                                wa
                                > said.
                                > > I have
                                > > > to think its near bratislava though because she refers
                                to
                                > it
                                > > alot as
                                > > > town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior
                                ring
                                > > anybells?
                                > > > >
                                > > > > These is for a Branch of one of the families
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area
                                or
                                > not
                                > > > > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who
                                was
                                > > married to a
                                > > > Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings
                                maybe.
                                >
                                > > From a
                                > > > SS-5 form its says Brestovany
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Ok well thanks again
                                > > >
                                > > > The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31
                                miles
                                > ENE
                                > > of
                                > > > Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any
                                > located
                                > > just NE
                                > > > of Brestovany.
                                > > >
                                > > > The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname
                                Kondrc
                                > under
                                > > Trvana.
                                > > > The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
                                > > > The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under
                                Bratislava.
                                > > >
                                > > > Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina
                                from
                                > > Canada.
                                > > > There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in
                                > Canada)
                                > > and a
                                > > > Peter (in Canada)
                                > > > >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk)
                                > Jecenye
                                > > (H) east
                                > > > of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.
                                > > >
                                > > > One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant
                                > > 'chicken soup'.
                                > > > Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning
                                > chicken,
                                > > hen.
                                > > > In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)
                                > > >
                                > > > Although my surname is similar there is no connection.
                                > > >
                                > > > Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY
                                > surnames
                                > > > Kuracina.
                                > > > The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to
                                Canada
                                > > 1910-1919.
                                > > > Believe that they never received a reply from any
                                Kuracina
                                > in
                                > > New York
                                > > > State.
                                > > > A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a
                                > lawyer
                                > > ?
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                                ... I think i had it translated a while back roughly to english) I have the pages scanned and saved as jpg files if you would like to take a look) ...
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                                  --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "David Decker" <maze_r@h...>
                                  wrote:
                                  > Frank
                                  >
                                  > The Austrian Document starts with
                                  >
                                  > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                  > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                  > zune Blaibuten Erinnerung
                                  > Bin Fotografin
                                  > Adelsdiploms
                                  >
                                  > Oberst d. R.
                                  > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                  >
                                  > (rough estimate of the letters and what not, supposed to be german,
                                  I think i had it translated a while back roughly to english) I have
                                  the pages scanned and saved as jpg files if you would like to take a
                                  look)
                                  >
                                  > Page two
                                  > Wir
                                  > Karl Der Srite
                                  > Coffes von Gunden
                                  > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                  > Konig von Ungaun
                                  >
                                  > And keeps on going :)
                                  >
                                  > Like i said its a rought esitmate. My other computer with the
                                  majority of my family tree stuff just crashed this morning, so im had
                                  to pull up #2 to play on.
                                  >
                                  > My grandfather Steve Kondrc worked at the Pittsburg Plate and Glass,
                                  would i be able to contact them for employment records and/or whould
                                  it give any valuable information?
                                  >
                                  > Still cant find steve kondrc from ellis island.
                                  > I dont know if i already said this but i did find steve kondrc in
                                  the 1920 adn 1930 census for PA. First he was named Steve Kordic and
                                  the in 1930 it was Steve Kondris. All Family members where accounted
                                  for in both Census forms so i know its them. Fun fun trying to think
                                  of all the variations of the Kondrc that could have been spelled or
                                  just mistranslated. Well im off for a bit,
                                  > Keep up the good info.
                                  >
                                  > David Decker

                                  David,

                                  I can translate document too if I had a copy of it.
                                  Otherwise have to spend days or weeks trying to determine what were
                                  the actual German words.
                                  Some of the words are obviously misspelled.

                                  Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                  Meinen Liebes Enkelkind
                                  My dear grandchild

                                  Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                  ? Maczek Edle von
                                  Maczek noble from
                                  (Jolán is Hungarian female name meaning Yolanda.
                                  If it was a male name Jolan probably Czech ? )

                                  Erinnerung
                                  memory, keepsake

                                  bin Fotografin
                                  am photographer

                                  Adelsdiploms
                                  adels = (pl) nobility
                                  diploms = (pl) certificates

                                  Oberst d. R.
                                  Colonel das

                                  Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                  auf
                                  on Januar
                                  Holubnov was probably a town located in Czech-Bohemia.
                                  "Anschluss" - Annexation of Austria by Germany in 1938
                                  In 1938 Germany annexed parts of Bohemia and Moravia as well and
                                  created a country called the second Czecho-Slovak Republic.
                                  Then in 1939 Hitler's Germany incorporated Bohemia and Moravia into
                                  Deutschland.
                                  CSR = C^echoslovensko (Czechoslovakia) Republika
                                  d. R.? Perhaps (the Third German " Reich") ?


                                  wir (probably royal "we")

                                  Karl Der Srite
                                  Karl Der Dritte
                                  German King Carl the III (German) Holy Roman Empire circa 887

                                  Raifer von Sejterreich
                                  Rainer von Österreich
                                  Rainer of Austria
                                  For example,
                                  (King) Victor Emanuel II. von Savoy Sardinien married to Adelheid von
                                  Oesterreich, daughter of Rainer von Oesterreich.

                                  Konig von Ungaun
                                  König von Ungarn
                                  King of Hungary

                                  I don't know what you have.
                                  High ranking royalty, kings over a thousand year, nobility etc.

                                  Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co. was founded in 1883 and the company's
                                  first plant was in Creighton, PA, near Pittsburgh, PA.
                                  As far as employee records from Pittsburgh Plate Glass.
                                  My experience with other large companies has been that such records
                                  were junked and destroyed many, many decades ago.

                                  Frank K
                                • David Decker
                                  Frank The Austrian Document starts with Meinem Liben Enkelkind Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr zune Blaibuten Erinnerung Bin Fotografin Adelsdiploms Oberst d.
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                                    Frank

                                    The Austrian Document starts with

                                    Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                    Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                    zune Blaibuten Erinnerung
                                    Bin Fotografin
                                    Adelsdiploms

                                    Oberst d. R.
                                    Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939

                                    (rough estimate of the letters and what not, supposed to be german, I think i had it translated a while back roughly to english) I have the pages scanned and saved as jpg files if you would like to take a look)

                                    Page two
                                    Wir
                                    Karl Der Srite
                                    Coffes von Gunden
                                    Raifer von Sejterreich
                                    Konig von Ungaun

                                    And keeps on going :)

                                    Like i said its a rought esitmate. My other computer with the majority of my family tree stuff just crashed this morning, so im had to pull up #2 to play on.

                                    My grandfather Steve Kondrc worked at the Pittsburg Plate and Glass, would i be able to contact them for employment records and/or whould it give any valuable information?

                                    Still cant find steve kondrc from ellis island.
                                    I dont know if i already said this but i did find steve kondrc in the 1920 adn 1930 census for PA. First he was named Steve Kordic and the in 1930 it was Steve Kondris. All Family members where accounted for in both Census forms so i know its them. Fun fun trying to think of all the variations of the Kondrc that could have been spelled or just mistranslated. Well im off for a bit,
                                    Keep up the good info.

                                    David Decker

                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: Frank
                                    To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:09 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


                                    --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                                    > Thanks Frank and William. I think Steve and Anna are buried in Ford
                                    City @ Holy Trinity if my memory serves me. Well i scanned the Ss-5
                                    forms does anyone want to take a gander at them to see if they can
                                    gleam anything else off it.
                                    >
                                    > As for Jolan she was born in Prague to an Elly Perutz and Walter
                                    maczek. Found living Maczek in berlin. Walter died in a car accident
                                    in Carrcicone France (sp). Elly married like 3 times. Elly Perutz
                                    (maiden), Elly Maczek, Elly Elliman (last know name) and one more
                                    which eludes me but have it written down somewhere. Jolan is my
                                    grandmother and still alive so i can get some good info. She came to
                                    america via Hallifax so I am trying to get the papers from that but
                                    have not had the time to look it up. She came on the MS Erria.
                                    >
                                    > There is only 1 Kondrc that I know left in America, and she is
                                    around 93 i think. We try and get as much info as we can from here.
                                    >
                                    > Im not sure if Anna/Steve came throught Ellis Island. *i did do the
                                    missing manifest search for Anna Beyk name but there was no listing
                                    saw a few of the pages from the Krown Prince Willhelm.
                                    >
                                    > On a side note I also have like a 5 page thing from the austrain
                                    army saying that my great great grandfather Maczek was a noble or
                                    knighted for his duties (in german). And I know that Cecilia's
                                    father was in the military (which is the only way right now i can get
                                    his name).
                                    >
                                    > Michael in Slovak would be?
                                    > Steve in Slovak would be?
                                    > Maria in Slovak would be?
                                    >
                                    > not sure if any of the names change.
                                    >
                                    > I remember reading somewhere that the female version of a name adds
                                    ova in slovak? and Frank added the sky info.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Maybe that might help me in my quest?
                                    > Thanks for the continued help


                                    David

                                    One of most common Slavic surname affixes is the one denoting gender
                                    of the bearer -ová (Slovak), -owa (Polish), and -oba (Russian).
                                    As a rule of Slovak grammar, female surnames end in -á, -ská, or -ová.
                                    The feminine form of the surnames is considered merely a separate form
                                    of same surname, not a distinct surname in itself.
                                    If the surname is adjectival in origin , i.e., ends in -y', the ending
                                    changes to -á, so that wife of pán (Mr.) C^erny' would be pani (pi)
                                    (Mrs.) C^erná and their daughter would be slec^na (sl) (Miss) C^erná
                                    If surname is a noun in form or origin the suffix -ová is added to it,
                                    e.g., pán Kovác^, pani Kovác^ová, slec^na Kovác^ová.


                                    Michael (E) (G)
                                    Mihály (Misa, Misko, Misi, Misike) (H)
                                    Michal (Misko, Miso) (Sk)
                                    Michal (P)


                                    Stephen, Steven (E)
                                    István (Pista, Pistika, Pityu) (H)
                                    Stefan (G) (P)
                                    Stefan (Steko, Stevko) (Sk)


                                    Sister Cecilia died in Crown Point, IN.

                                    What was the title of the 5 page Austrian Army document written in
                                    German ?

                                    During WW II there was a famous Polish General Maczek.
                                    Stanislaw, Lieutenant-General
                                    (1892-1995)


                                    Frank K



                                    > David Decker
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: Frank
                                    > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:28 AM
                                    > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                                    > > Yes Frank Kittanning they lived Charleroi (sp) washington pa
                                    for a
                                    > bit then moved to Ford City. (which i think is part of
                                    Kittianning.
                                    > Anna's maiden name was Benjak from the SS-5 form. Her parents
                                    names
                                    > where Paul Benjak and Maria Lisciski.
                                    > >
                                    > > So we have
                                    > > Micheal Kondrc + Maria Kuracina (Houibe)sp. Brestovany) we
                                    had
                                    > a discussion on what the H was a while back. but we figured we
                                    could
                                    > read brestovany at the least.
                                    > > -- Steve Kondrc - Came to America 1906 from the 1930 Census
                                    form
                                    > (married in 1907 in Cherolio PA)
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Paul Benjak + Maria Lisciski Lejskove, Czechslovakia
                                    > > -- Anna Benjak - came to america in 1907 from the 1930 Census
                                    form
                                    > >
                                    > > Steve + Anna
                                    > >
                                    > > Frank Kondrc married a Jolan Maczek
                                    > > ----ect ect ect
                                    > >
                                    > > Going to try and scan some of the SS-5 Forms so maybe others can
                                    get
                                    > a better look at it.
                                    > >
                                    > > as a side note
                                    > > can anyone tell me about this I found a Beyk, Anna on roughly
                                    18
                                    > yrs old on a ship out of Bremen that arrivede Aug 7, 1907 not sure
                                    if
                                    > its her. But its the closest thing i can find. And i cant few
                                    the
                                    > orginal because i guess its not scanned at the moment.
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Galicy Austria Lysakow, galicy
                                    >
                                    > David
                                    >
                                    > Many Polish surnames end in -ski or -cki.
                                    > In older records you sometimes read -sky (before spelling rules
                                    > were adapted); but in recent times tendency to insist on -ski.
                                    > Probably a possessive affix added to name which evolved from
                                    person's
                                    > characteristics (such as 'tall, short, etc.), occupation, or
                                    place
                                    > of residence.
                                    > In Czech and Slovak, the -sky is akin to the Polish -ski, while
                                    -cky
                                    > is similar to Polish -cki.
                                    > Lisciski might have been spelled Liseiski or Liseski or some other
                                    > spelling ?
                                    >
                                    > EIR list 53 surnames Benyak and 30 surnames Benjak.
                                    > Anna was listed with the Dutch surnames Beyk in EIR which was not
                                    > unusual with Eastern European names, especially if Polish.
                                    > The Anna Beyk, age 18 (b. abt. 1899) from Lysakow, Galicia looks
                                    like
                                    > her entry to US.
                                    > No image copy of ship manifest so only know her Last Residence in
                                    > Europe.
                                    >
                                    > There are 5 Lysakow located in Poland.
                                    > Polish y is pron. i and letter w is pron. v.
                                    > Expect it is the one located 132 miles south of Warszawa and near
                                    > Tarnow in SE poland and not far from the currnet NE Slovakia
                                    border.
                                    >
                                    > How are you ? English
                                    >
                                    > Wie geht es Ihnen ? German
                                    >
                                    > Hogy Van ? Hungarian
                                    >
                                    > Ako sa más^ ? Slovak
                                    >
                                    > Jak sie masz ? Polish
                                    >
                                    > Bsides a Katarina Kondrc, Slovak, who emigrated from Buc^any in
                                    1921
                                    > there were two surnames Sokolowski who traveled with her to US.
                                    > They went to b-i-l Jakub Trubacik in St. Louis, MO.
                                    >
                                    > Jolan looks like a short form of Polish first name Jolanta,
                                    Jolenta
                                    > (Yolanda)- Saint.
                                    >
                                    > Charleroi was located in Washington CO south of Pittsburgh and
                                    between
                                    > Cokesburg and Donora PA .
                                    >
                                    > Ford City and Kittanning in Armstrong CO located north of
                                    > Pittsburgh.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > >From the late 1700s until the end of WW I, Poland did not exist
                                    as a
                                    > country. It was divided among the Russian, German (Prussian), and
                                    > Austrian Empires.
                                    > The southern Polish territories around Kraków and Lwów were
                                    > incorporated into the Austrian Empire and renamed "Galicia".
                                    >
                                    > By the First Partition of Poland (1792), Austria had obtained
                                    Galicia
                                    > (consisting of Red Russia, the city of Lemberg [Lwów], a part of
                                    > western Podolia, and southern Little Poland). Austria did not
                                    take
                                    > any Polish land in the Second Partition. During the Third
                                    Partition
                                    > 1795) of Poland, Austria took the remainder of Little Poland and
                                    > Kraków.
                                    >
                                    > Galicia was formerly a Austrian Crownland and part of
                                    Austro-Hungarian
                                    > Monarchy(1867-1918). Sometimes referred to as Austrian Poland.
                                    > Other names for the area were Galicja (Polish), Galizien (German),
                                    > Halychyna (Ukrainian) and Rus Halicka (Polish).
                                    >
                                    > In 1918, Galicia was annexed to Poland as "Malopolska" (Little
                                    > Poland).
                                    > After the 1939 partition of Poland by Germany and Russia, East
                                    Galicia
                                    > became part of Ukraine while West Galicia remained in Poland.
                                    > Its former territories are now shared between southern Poland and
                                    > western Ukraine.
                                    >
                                    > > From: Frank
                                    > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:07 PM
                                    > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...> wrote:
                                    > > > Well actually all i know is the year and the possible
                                    location
                                    > > (Brestovany) guessing that both families lived near each
                                    other.. I
                                    > > know my line of Kondrcs are from Brestovany, and basically
                                    hoping
                                    > that
                                    > > Cecilia Kondrc line is from that same general area. But 1917
                                    from
                                    > the
                                    > > book is the year that her father went to war. I trying to
                                    figure
                                    > out
                                    > > how I am related to Cecilia was hoping my figureing out her
                                    > fathers
                                    > > name to begin with might be a start.
                                    > >
                                    > > Dave
                                    > >
                                    > > So your grandfather was Frank Kondrc.
                                    > > Who was Anna Kondrc (1890-1980) ? perhaps née (maiden name)
                                    Benyak
                                    > ?
                                    > > Thew other surname posted was Benjak.
                                    > > In Slavic languages and Hungarian the letter j is pron. y.
                                    > > PA as in Kittanning ?
                                    > >
                                    > > So Lejskove must be located near Nyitra ?
                                    > > Perhaps it was actually Lajosfalu, Lojschow, Lajosfalva,
                                    Lajos,
                                    > > Lojschow, Lajos^ová, now called L'udovítová and located 5
                                    miles
                                    > north
                                    > > of Nitra.
                                    > >
                                    > > v
                                    > > Frank Kurcina
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                                    > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:24 PM
                                    > > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > David,
                                    > > > What do you mean "a day of joining"? Records are
                                    organized
                                    > first
                                    > > by year,
                                    > > > then by recruiting district. In small districts If you
                                    know
                                    > the
                                    > > district,
                                    > > > it is usually not difficult to to locate the name
                                    > > > There is no cross-reference by name. You still need to
                                    > approach
                                    > > the correct
                                    > > > national archive.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ______________
                                    > > > Bill Tarkulich
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                                    > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:02 PM
                                    > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Ok well this may sound dumb, but what if you only have a
                                    day
                                    > of
                                    > > joining and
                                    > > > a last name how hard would that be to find? (1917) not
                                    1907
                                    > like
                                    > > previous
                                    > > > email stated and Oct 1918 when he came back from the war
                                    to
                                    > the
                                    > > family
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > David
                                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > From: Bill Tarkulich
                                    > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
                                    > > > Subject: RE: [S-R] Austria Military
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > David,
                                    > > > Conscripts A-H War records will be kept with the
                                    respective
                                    > > present-day
                                    > > > nation's archives, unless it's before about 1868, then
                                    > > everything is in
                                    > > > Vienna.
                                    > > > Suggest you start with this material and read all the
                                    links
                                    > too:
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/military_records_in_upper_hungar.htm
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Phone books:
                                    > > > Slovakia - instructions and links:
                                    > > > http://www.centroconsult.sk/facilities/phone.html
                                    > > > Czech Republic - instructions and links
                                    > > > http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/phone_books.htm
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Good luck,
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ______________
                                    > > > Bill Tarkulich
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > > From: maze_r@h... [mailto:maze_r@h...]
                                    > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:13 PM
                                    > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Subject: [S-R] Austria Military
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > K, guess the next question would be does anyone know who
                                    I
                                    > would
                                    > > have to
                                    > > > contact, or go about contacting for imformation if
                                    available
                                    > > about a
                                    > > > relative or 3 in the austrian army roughly 1907 for the
                                    > Kondrc,
                                    > > dont have
                                    > > > exact dates of the Maczek (another family line).
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Also anyone have links for the slovak or Czech phone
                                    books
                                    > > > (and directions if they arent in english?)
                                    > > >
                                    > > > David Decker
                                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > From: Frank
                                    > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM
                                    > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Lejskove, Czech-Slovakia
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, <maze_r@h...>
                                    wrote:
                                    > > > > Also im looking for a village in slovakia so small
                                    you
                                    > could
                                    > > count
                                    > > > the houses :). yes thats the exact words used since
                                    its
                                    > > coming from a
                                    > > > book and they had to be carefull on what information
                                    wa
                                    > said.
                                    > > I have
                                    > > > to think its near bratislava though because she refers
                                    to
                                    > it
                                    > > alot as
                                    > > > town X. Also the Daugters of the Most Holy Savior
                                    ring
                                    > > anybells?
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > These is for a Branch of one of the families
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Kondrc. Im not sure if they grew up in the same area
                                    or
                                    > not
                                    > > > > But from what I know there was a Micheal Kondrc who
                                    was
                                    > > married to a
                                    > > > Maria Koricina (Koucina) one of those two spellings
                                    maybe.
                                    >
                                    > > From a
                                    > > > SS-5 form its says Brestovany
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Ok well thanks again
                                    > > >
                                    > > > The surname Kondrc came from Brestovany located 31
                                    miles
                                    > ENE
                                    > > of
                                    > > > Bratislava and just east of Trvana and from Buc^any
                                    > located
                                    > > just NE
                                    > > > of Brestovany.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > The Slovakia telephone directory lists 2 surname
                                    Kondrc
                                    > under
                                    > > Trvana.
                                    > > > The surname Kuracina can also be from Brestovany.
                                    > > > The directory lists 6 surnames Kuracina under
                                    Bratislava.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Back in July 1998 I had researched surname Kuracina
                                    from
                                    > > Canada.
                                    > > > There was a Lawrence (Texas) and David (his brother in
                                    > Canada)
                                    > > and a
                                    > > > Peter (in Canada)
                                    > > > >From Predajná (Sk) Garampétri (H) and Jasenie (Sk)
                                    > Jecenye
                                    > > (H) east
                                    > > > of Banská Bystricia, Slovakia.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > One surname wrote had been told surname Kuracina meant
                                    > > 'chicken soup'.
                                    > > > Surname is derived from root word kura/kurc^a meaning
                                    > chicken,
                                    > > hen.
                                    > > > In Slovak 'chicken soup' is slepac^ia polievka.)
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Although my surname is similar there is no connection.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Don't believe they were related to the Endicott, NY
                                    > surnames
                                    > > > Kuracina.
                                    > > > The former surnames emigrated from Bratislava to
                                    Canada
                                    > > 1910-1919.
                                    > > > Believe that they never received a reply from any
                                    Kuracina
                                    > in
                                    > > New York
                                    > > > State.
                                    > > > A Dr. Elaine Kuracina and a another Kuracina who was a
                                    > lawyer
                                    > > ?
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                                  • amiak27
                                    One addition to Frank s translation: Oberst d. R. Colonel das is likely Oberst d.R. Colonel of the Reserve (Oberst der Reserve) I take that from a special card
                                    Message 17 of 21 , Jun 11, 2004
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                                      One addition to Frank's translation:
                                      Oberst d. R.
                                      Colonel das

                                      is likely

                                      Oberst d.R.
                                      Colonel of the Reserve (Oberst der Reserve)

                                      I take that from a special card of acronyms from the book by v.G.-
                                      Payer "Armati Hungarorum".

                                      Ron

                                      -- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frankur@w...> wrote:
                                      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "David Decker" <maze_r@h...>
                                      > wrote:
                                      > > Frank
                                      > >
                                      > > The Austrian Document starts with
                                      > >
                                      > > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                      > > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                      > > zune Blaibuten Erinnerung
                                      > > Bin Fotografin
                                      > > Adelsdiploms
                                      > >
                                      > > Oberst d. R.
                                      > > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                      > >
                                      > > (rough estimate of the letters and what not, supposed to be
                                      german,
                                      > I think i had it translated a while back roughly to english) I
                                      have
                                      > the pages scanned and saved as jpg files if you would like to take
                                      a
                                      > look)
                                      > >
                                      > > Page two
                                      > > Wir
                                      > > Karl Der Srite
                                      > > Coffes von Gunden
                                      > > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                      > > Konig von Ungaun
                                      > >
                                      > > And keeps on going :)
                                      > >
                                      > > Like i said its a rought esitmate. My other computer with the
                                      > majority of my family tree stuff just crashed this morning, so im
                                      had
                                      > to pull up #2 to play on.
                                      > >
                                      > > My grandfather Steve Kondrc worked at the Pittsburg Plate and
                                      Glass,
                                      > would i be able to contact them for employment records and/or
                                      whould
                                      > it give any valuable information?
                                      > >
                                      > > Still cant find steve kondrc from ellis island.
                                      > > I dont know if i already said this but i did find steve kondrc in
                                      > the 1920 adn 1930 census for PA. First he was named Steve Kordic
                                      and
                                      > the in 1930 it was Steve Kondris. All Family members where
                                      accounted
                                      > for in both Census forms so i know its them. Fun fun trying to
                                      think
                                      > of all the variations of the Kondrc that could have been spelled or
                                      > just mistranslated. Well im off for a bit,
                                      > > Keep up the good info.
                                      > >
                                      > > David Decker
                                      >
                                      > David,
                                      >
                                      > I can translate document too if I had a copy of it.
                                      > Otherwise have to spend days or weeks trying to determine what were
                                      > the actual German words.
                                      > Some of the words are obviously misspelled.
                                      >
                                      > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                      > Meinen Liebes Enkelkind
                                      > My dear grandchild
                                      >
                                      > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                      > ? Maczek Edle von
                                      > Maczek noble from
                                      > (Jolán is Hungarian female name meaning Yolanda.
                                      > If it was a male name Jolan probably Czech ? )
                                      >
                                      > Erinnerung
                                      > memory, keepsake
                                      >
                                      > bin Fotografin
                                      > am photographer
                                      >
                                      > Adelsdiploms
                                      > adels = (pl) nobility
                                      > diploms = (pl) certificates
                                      >
                                      > Oberst d. R.
                                      > Colonel das
                                      >
                                      > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                      > auf
                                      > on Januar
                                      > Holubnov was probably a town located in Czech-Bohemia.
                                      > "Anschluss" - Annexation of Austria by Germany in 1938
                                      > In 1938 Germany annexed parts of Bohemia and Moravia as well and
                                      > created a country called the second Czecho-Slovak Republic.
                                      > Then in 1939 Hitler's Germany incorporated Bohemia and Moravia into
                                      > Deutschland.
                                      > CSR = C^echoslovensko (Czechoslovakia) Republika
                                      > d. R.? Perhaps (the Third German " Reich") ?
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > wir (probably royal "we")
                                      >
                                      > Karl Der Srite
                                      > Karl Der Dritte
                                      > German King Carl the III (German) Holy Roman Empire circa 887
                                      >
                                      > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                      > Rainer von Österreich
                                      > Rainer of Austria
                                      > For example,
                                      > (King) Victor Emanuel II. von Savoy Sardinien married to Adelheid
                                      von
                                      > Oesterreich, daughter of Rainer von Oesterreich.
                                      >
                                      > Konig von Ungaun
                                      > König von Ungarn
                                      > King of Hungary
                                      >
                                      > I don't know what you have.
                                      > High ranking royalty, kings over a thousand year, nobility etc.
                                      >
                                      > Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co. was founded in 1883 and the company's
                                      > first plant was in Creighton, PA, near Pittsburgh, PA.
                                      > As far as employee records from Pittsburgh Plate Glass.
                                      > My experience with other large companies has been that such records
                                      > were junked and destroyed many, many decades ago.
                                      >
                                      > Frank K
                                    • Frank
                                      ... form. ... David, Very good ! Have been researching surnames from Austrian/Italian Tirol at other web sites. You finally put a handle on a surname I
                                      Message 18 of 21 , Jun 11, 2004
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                                        --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "David Decker" <maze_r@h...>
                                        wrote:
                                        > Here is the 5 scanned documetns along with steve and anna' ss-5
                                        form.
                                        > Jolan is a woman's name (my grandmother) Jolan Maczek.
                                        >
                                        > http://www.the-echelon.net/X-Faith/


                                        David,

                                        Very good !
                                        Have been researching surnames from Austrian/Italian Tirol at other
                                        web sites.
                                        You finally put a handle on a surname I actually know something about
                                        Friedrich Graf von Toggenburg (1866 - 1956) Tirol, Austria 1914-1917.

                                        Frank K
                                        >
                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > From: Frank
                                        > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:29 AM
                                        > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "David Decker" <maze_r@h...>
                                        > wrote:
                                        > > Frank
                                        > >
                                        > > The Austrian Document starts with
                                        > >
                                        > > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                        > > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                        > > zune Blaibuten Erinnerung
                                        > > Bin Fotografin
                                        > > Adelsdiploms
                                        > >
                                        > > Oberst d. R.
                                        > > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                        > >
                                        > > (rough estimate of the letters and what not, supposed to be
                                        german,
                                        > I think i had it translated a while back roughly to english) I
                                        have
                                        > the pages scanned and saved as jpg files if you would like to
                                        take
                                        a
                                        > look)
                                        > >
                                        > > Page two
                                        > > Wir
                                        > > Karl Der Srite
                                        > > Coffes von Gunden
                                        > > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                        > > Konig von Ungaun
                                        > >
                                        > > And keeps on going :)
                                        > >
                                        > > Like i said its a rought esitmate. My other computer with the
                                        > majority of my family tree stuff just crashed this morning, so im
                                        had
                                        > to pull up #2 to play on.
                                        > >
                                        > > My grandfather Steve Kondrc worked at the Pittsburg Plate and
                                        Glass,
                                        > would i be able to contact them for employment records and/or
                                        whould
                                        > it give any valuable information?
                                        > >
                                        > > Still cant find steve kondrc from ellis island.
                                        > > I dont know if i already said this but i did find steve kondrc
                                        in
                                        > the 1920 adn 1930 census for PA. First he was named Steve Kordic
                                        and
                                        > the in 1930 it was Steve Kondris. All Family members where
                                        accounted
                                        > for in both Census forms so i know its them. Fun fun trying to
                                        think
                                        > of all the variations of the Kondrc that could have been spelled
                                        or
                                        > just mistranslated. Well im off for a bit,
                                        > > Keep up the good info.
                                        > >
                                        > > David Decker
                                        >
                                        > David,
                                        >
                                        > I can translate document too if I had a copy of it.
                                        > Otherwise have to spend days or weeks trying to determine what
                                        were
                                        > the actual German words.
                                        > Some of the words are obviously misspelled.
                                        >
                                        > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                        > Meinen Liebes Enkelkind
                                        > My dear grandchild
                                        >
                                        > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                        > ? Maczek Edle von
                                        > Maczek noble from
                                        > (Jolán is Hungarian female name meaning Yolanda.
                                        > If it was a male name Jolan probably Czech ? )
                                        >
                                        > Erinnerung
                                        > memory, keepsake
                                        >
                                        > bin Fotografin
                                        > am photographer
                                        >
                                        > Adelsdiploms
                                        > adels = (pl) nobility
                                        > diploms = (pl) certificates
                                        >
                                        > Oberst d. R.
                                        > Colonel das
                                        >
                                        > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                        > auf
                                        > on Januar
                                        > Holubnov was probably a town located in Czech-Bohemia.
                                        > "Anschluss" - Annexation of Austria by Germany in 1938
                                        > In 1938 Germany annexed parts of Bohemia and Moravia as well and
                                        > created a country called the second Czecho-Slovak Republic.
                                        > Then in 1939 Hitler's Germany incorporated Bohemia and Moravia
                                        into
                                        > Deutschland.
                                        > CSR = C^echoslovensko (Czechoslovakia) Republika
                                        > d. R.? Perhaps (the Third German " Reich") ?
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > wir (probably royal "we")
                                        >
                                        > Karl Der Srite
                                        > Karl Der Dritte
                                        > German King Carl the III (German) Holy Roman Empire circa 887
                                        >
                                        > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                        > Rainer von Österreich
                                        > Rainer of Austria
                                        > For example,
                                        > (King) Victor Emanuel II. von Savoy Sardinien married to Adelheid
                                        von
                                        > Oesterreich, daughter of Rainer von Oesterreich.
                                        >
                                        > Konig von Ungaun
                                        > König von Ungarn
                                        > King of Hungary
                                        >
                                        > I don't know what you have.
                                        > High ranking royalty, kings over a thousand year, nobility etc.
                                        >
                                        > Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co. was founded in 1883 and the company's
                                        > first plant was in Creighton, PA, near Pittsburgh, PA.
                                        > As far as employee records from Pittsburgh Plate Glass.
                                        > My experience with other large companies has been that such
                                        records
                                        > were junked and destroyed many, many decades ago.
                                        >
                                        > Frank K
                                        >
                                        >
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                                      • David Decker
                                        Here is the 5 scanned documetns along with steve and anna ss-5 form. Jolan is a woman s name (my grandmother) Jolan Maczek.
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                                          Here is the 5 scanned documetns along with steve and anna' ss-5 form.
                                          Jolan is a woman's name (my grandmother) Jolan Maczek.

                                          http://www.the-echelon.net/X-Faith/


                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: Frank
                                          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:29 AM
                                          Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


                                          --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "David Decker" <maze_r@h...>
                                          wrote:
                                          > Frank
                                          >
                                          > The Austrian Document starts with
                                          >
                                          > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                          > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                          > zune Blaibuten Erinnerung
                                          > Bin Fotografin
                                          > Adelsdiploms
                                          >
                                          > Oberst d. R.
                                          > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                          >
                                          > (rough estimate of the letters and what not, supposed to be german,
                                          I think i had it translated a while back roughly to english) I have
                                          the pages scanned and saved as jpg files if you would like to take a
                                          look)
                                          >
                                          > Page two
                                          > Wir
                                          > Karl Der Srite
                                          > Coffes von Gunden
                                          > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                          > Konig von Ungaun
                                          >
                                          > And keeps on going :)
                                          >
                                          > Like i said its a rought esitmate. My other computer with the
                                          majority of my family tree stuff just crashed this morning, so im had
                                          to pull up #2 to play on.
                                          >
                                          > My grandfather Steve Kondrc worked at the Pittsburg Plate and Glass,
                                          would i be able to contact them for employment records and/or whould
                                          it give any valuable information?
                                          >
                                          > Still cant find steve kondrc from ellis island.
                                          > I dont know if i already said this but i did find steve kondrc in
                                          the 1920 adn 1930 census for PA. First he was named Steve Kordic and
                                          the in 1930 it was Steve Kondris. All Family members where accounted
                                          for in both Census forms so i know its them. Fun fun trying to think
                                          of all the variations of the Kondrc that could have been spelled or
                                          just mistranslated. Well im off for a bit,
                                          > Keep up the good info.
                                          >
                                          > David Decker

                                          David,

                                          I can translate document too if I had a copy of it.
                                          Otherwise have to spend days or weeks trying to determine what were
                                          the actual German words.
                                          Some of the words are obviously misspelled.

                                          Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                          Meinen Liebes Enkelkind
                                          My dear grandchild

                                          Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                          ? Maczek Edle von
                                          Maczek noble from
                                          (Jolán is Hungarian female name meaning Yolanda.
                                          If it was a male name Jolan probably Czech ? )

                                          Erinnerung
                                          memory, keepsake

                                          bin Fotografin
                                          am photographer

                                          Adelsdiploms
                                          adels = (pl) nobility
                                          diploms = (pl) certificates

                                          Oberst d. R.
                                          Colonel das

                                          Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                          auf
                                          on Januar
                                          Holubnov was probably a town located in Czech-Bohemia.
                                          "Anschluss" - Annexation of Austria by Germany in 1938
                                          In 1938 Germany annexed parts of Bohemia and Moravia as well and
                                          created a country called the second Czecho-Slovak Republic.
                                          Then in 1939 Hitler's Germany incorporated Bohemia and Moravia into
                                          Deutschland.
                                          CSR = C^echoslovensko (Czechoslovakia) Republika
                                          d. R.? Perhaps (the Third German " Reich") ?


                                          wir (probably royal "we")

                                          Karl Der Srite
                                          Karl Der Dritte
                                          German King Carl the III (German) Holy Roman Empire circa 887

                                          Raifer von Sejterreich
                                          Rainer von Österreich
                                          Rainer of Austria
                                          For example,
                                          (King) Victor Emanuel II. von Savoy Sardinien married to Adelheid von
                                          Oesterreich, daughter of Rainer von Oesterreich.

                                          Konig von Ungaun
                                          König von Ungarn
                                          King of Hungary

                                          I don't know what you have.
                                          High ranking royalty, kings over a thousand year, nobility etc.

                                          Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co. was founded in 1883 and the company's
                                          first plant was in Creighton, PA, near Pittsburgh, PA.
                                          As far as employee records from Pittsburgh Plate Glass.
                                          My experience with other large companies has been that such records
                                          were junked and destroyed many, many decades ago.

                                          Frank K



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                                        • David Decker
                                          ... Also i just found out the one of the Benjak (Benak) was in the US and was either in the Air Force or working for the Air Force, he was going to get a
                                          Message 20 of 21 , Jun 12, 2004
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                                            :) Always glad to help, I see the name on page 4 of 5 but i dont know whats it in relation to :).
                                            Also i just found out the one of the Benjak (Benak) was in the US and was either in the Air Force or working for the Air Force, he was going to get a Patent on something he invented and either on the way there or they way home he got beat up and the patent was stolen.. Not sure what the invention was but his name was Frank Benjak. Anna also had two other sisters that I know about mary and Teresa.

                                            David
                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: Frank
                                            To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 3:58 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military


                                            --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "David Decker" <maze_r@h...>
                                            wrote:
                                            > Here is the 5 scanned documetns along with steve and anna' ss-5
                                            form.
                                            > Jolan is a woman's name (my grandmother) Jolan Maczek.
                                            >
                                            > http://www.the-echelon.net/X-Faith/


                                            David,

                                            Very good !
                                            Have been researching surnames from Austrian/Italian Tirol at other
                                            web sites.
                                            You finally put a handle on a surname I actually know something about
                                            Friedrich Graf von Toggenburg (1866 - 1956) Tirol, Austria 1914-1917.

                                            Frank K
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > From: Frank
                                            > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:29 AM
                                            > Subject: Re: [S-R] Austria Military
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "David Decker" <maze_r@h...>
                                            > wrote:
                                            > > Frank
                                            > >
                                            > > The Austrian Document starts with
                                            > >
                                            > > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                            > > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                            > > zune Blaibuten Erinnerung
                                            > > Bin Fotografin
                                            > > Adelsdiploms
                                            > >
                                            > > Oberst d. R.
                                            > > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                            > >
                                            > > (rough estimate of the letters and what not, supposed to be
                                            german,
                                            > I think i had it translated a while back roughly to english) I
                                            have
                                            > the pages scanned and saved as jpg files if you would like to
                                            take
                                            a
                                            > look)
                                            > >
                                            > > Page two
                                            > > Wir
                                            > > Karl Der Srite
                                            > > Coffes von Gunden
                                            > > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                            > > Konig von Ungaun
                                            > >
                                            > > And keeps on going :)
                                            > >
                                            > > Like i said its a rought esitmate. My other computer with the
                                            > majority of my family tree stuff just crashed this morning, so im
                                            had
                                            > to pull up #2 to play on.
                                            > >
                                            > > My grandfather Steve Kondrc worked at the Pittsburg Plate and
                                            Glass,
                                            > would i be able to contact them for employment records and/or
                                            whould
                                            > it give any valuable information?
                                            > >
                                            > > Still cant find steve kondrc from ellis island.
                                            > > I dont know if i already said this but i did find steve kondrc
                                            in
                                            > the 1920 adn 1930 census for PA. First he was named Steve Kordic
                                            and
                                            > the in 1930 it was Steve Kondris. All Family members where
                                            accounted
                                            > for in both Census forms so i know its them. Fun fun trying to
                                            think
                                            > of all the variations of the Kondrc that could have been spelled
                                            or
                                            > just mistranslated. Well im off for a bit,
                                            > > Keep up the good info.
                                            > >
                                            > > David Decker
                                            >
                                            > David,
                                            >
                                            > I can translate document too if I had a copy of it.
                                            > Otherwise have to spend days or weeks trying to determine what
                                            were
                                            > the actual German words.
                                            > Some of the words are obviously misspelled.
                                            >
                                            > Meinem Liben Enkelkind
                                            > Meinen Liebes Enkelkind
                                            > My dear grandchild
                                            >
                                            > Jolan Maczek Edle von Viernehr
                                            > ? Maczek Edle von
                                            > Maczek noble from
                                            > (Jolán is Hungarian female name meaning Yolanda.
                                            > If it was a male name Jolan probably Czech ? )
                                            >
                                            > Erinnerung
                                            > memory, keepsake
                                            >
                                            > bin Fotografin
                                            > am photographer
                                            >
                                            > Adelsdiploms
                                            > adels = (pl) nobility
                                            > diploms = (pl) certificates
                                            >
                                            > Oberst d. R.
                                            > Colonel das
                                            >
                                            > Holoubnov CSR aw 8 Januanor 1939
                                            > auf
                                            > on Januar
                                            > Holubnov was probably a town located in Czech-Bohemia.
                                            > "Anschluss" - Annexation of Austria by Germany in 1938
                                            > In 1938 Germany annexed parts of Bohemia and Moravia as well and
                                            > created a country called the second Czecho-Slovak Republic.
                                            > Then in 1939 Hitler's Germany incorporated Bohemia and Moravia
                                            into
                                            > Deutschland.
                                            > CSR = C^echoslovensko (Czechoslovakia) Republika
                                            > d. R.? Perhaps (the Third German " Reich") ?
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > wir (probably royal "we")
                                            >
                                            > Karl Der Srite
                                            > Karl Der Dritte
                                            > German King Carl the III (German) Holy Roman Empire circa 887
                                            >
                                            > Raifer von Sejterreich
                                            > Rainer von Österreich
                                            > Rainer of Austria
                                            > For example,
                                            > (King) Victor Emanuel II. von Savoy Sardinien married to Adelheid
                                            von
                                            > Oesterreich, daughter of Rainer von Oesterreich.
                                            >
                                            > Konig von Ungaun
                                            > König von Ungarn
                                            > King of Hungary
                                            >
                                            > I don't know what you have.
                                            > High ranking royalty, kings over a thousand year, nobility etc.
                                            >
                                            > Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co. was founded in 1883 and the company's
                                            > first plant was in Creighton, PA, near Pittsburgh, PA.
                                            > As far as employee records from Pittsburgh Plate Glass.
                                            > My experience with other large companies has been that such
                                            records
                                            > were junked and destroyed many, many decades ago.
                                            >
                                            > Frank K
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