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8921Re: [S-R] Re: Slavs and Slavons

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  • Vladimir Bohinc
    Jan 1, 2004
      Dear Frank,
      I am confusing what?
      Being myself a Slovene and living in Slovakia and speaking all Slavic
      languages and having travelled these countries for my life time you are
      saying I am confusing things?
      You english speaking people may think, that the term Slavonic for Slavs in
      general is correct, because it is in your books. I of course disagree. I
      take this liberty.
      No need to try to convince me of anything, if you do not get the point I am
      making.
      You are sticking to your books and there is a mistake in them. Try to use
      some common sense and slavic grammar and of course geography too.
      Vladimir

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Frank" <frankur@...>
      To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:56 PM
      Subject: [S-R] Re: Slavs and Slavons


      > Dear Vladimir,
      >
      > As a Slav you protest against using the term Slavonic for Slavs in
      > general.
      > And Antonín Dvor^ák, a Czech, wrote symphonies
      > titled Slovanske Tance (plural) => Slavonic Dances (English)
      >
      > In Czech
      > Slovan = Slav (E)
      > Slovansky' = Slavic (E)
      > slovansky' = Slavonic (E)
      >
      > so depending on language it could be Slavische tanze = danses slaves
      > = Slavonic dances = Slovanske tance and be correct.
      >
      > In Slovene, Slován = Slav, Slavic, Slavonic (E)
      > (right from the Angles^ko-Slovenski Slovár,
      > Ljubljana, 1993)
      >
      > You are confusing linguistics with geoegraphy !
      >
      > I did not write the following words although I agree with them.
      >
      > "Please, note the difference between Slovenia, Slovakia and Slavonia,
      > which is a part of Croatia. The origin of all these names is the same
      > -
      > derived from the name of SLOVO (= word), from which then the names of
      > Slovinje,
      > Slovinci, Sloveni, Slovenci, Slovani, Slaveni were coined.
      > It is lovely and amusing to see how in Slovak language one says
      > "Slovenian -
      > Slovakian dictionary" : Slovinsko - Slovenski slovník.
      > And in Slovenian language, the same would be Slovensko - Slovaski
      > slovar
      > ! "
      >
      > Scholars also write :
      > Samo, first ruler of the Slavs, (A.D. 623-658) had unified the
      > Slavonic
      > tribes and
      > this is the period when the names Sloven - Slovien - Slovak -
      > Slovenka -
      > slovensky
      > were created.
      > ---------------------------------
      > http://www.hr/darko/etf/et01.html
      >
      > Frank K
      >
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      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Vladimir Bohinc" <konekta@n...>
      > wrote:
      > > Dear Frank,
      > > I am a Slav or Slovan, in slovenian , czech or slovak language.
      > > In Polish it is Slowian.
      > > In croat or serb it is Slaven.
      > > In russian it is Slavjan.
      > > Whatever grammar you take, when referring to the Slavs, you can not
      > come to
      > > the word Slavonian.
      > > This word has been coined by the british by mistake. I know that
      > this word
      > > is in Webster. I have it too. And several others. I know that this
      > word is
      > > being used by english speaking people,but this does not prove, that
      > it is
      > > correct or better say appropriate.
      > > I accept the word Slavonian only if it pertains to Slavonia proper.
      > The rest
      > > is a mistake.
      > > Every slavic slavicist will tell you this.
      > > Some hair splitting:
      > > Slavonians ( people of Slavonia or Slavonci in their own language)
      > sure are
      > > Slavs, but Slavs are not Slavonians ( not only) and never have been.
      > > Slavonia is a province in Croatia, and thus a very small part of
      > the group
      > > of Slavic nations. Language in Slavonia is a croat language.
      > > Imagine this;
      > > Antonin Dvorak, a Czech, wrote a simphony with the title "
      > Slovanske tance"
      > > By the followers of the established translation practices, it has
      > been
      > > translated into " Slavonian dances", which is totally ridiculous.
      > Dvorak
      > > must be turning in his grave.He never was in Slavonia and his work
      > has
      > > nothing to do with it. And has also nothing to do with any liturgy.
      > > As a Slav I protest against using the term Slavonic for Slavs in
      > general.
      > > I have been in touch with slavicists in US too. Sure, nobody wants
      > to risk
      > > his career.
      > > Just don't change anything.
      > > I am deeply disappointed over such "scientists".
      > > Vladimir
      > >
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: "Frank" <frankur@w...>
      > > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:24 PM
      > > Subject: [S-R] Re: Slavs and Slavons
      > >
      > >
      > > > In Slavic languages the word "Slav" is "Slowianie", "Slovene", or
      > > > something similar, with obvious similarities to word "Slowo"
      > meaning
      > > > "Word".
      > > > "Slowianie" would mean "people who can speak", as opposed to the
      > > > Slavic word for Germans, "Niemcy", that is, "dumb", "people who
      > cannot
      > > > speak".
      > > >
      > > > Looked in my Slovensko-angles^ki slovar (Slovene-English
      > dictionary)
      > > > Slavonija = Slavonia
      > > > Slavon + ski = Slavonian
      > > >
      > > > Looked in my Slovensko/Anglicky' slovník
      > > > (Slovak/English dictionary)
      > > > (nothing)
      > > >
      > > > [1913 Webster Dictionary]
      > > > Slavonian \Sla*vo"ni*an\, Slavonic \Sla*von"ic
      > > > adj.
      > > > 1. Of or pertaining to Slavonia, or its inhabitants.
      > > >
      > > > 2. Of or pertaining to the Slavs, or their language.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > For those academically oriented.
      > > >
      > > > "Some problems of the ethnogenesis of the Slavs and of the
      > settlement
      > > > process of the Central Danubian Slovenes - Slovaks in the 6th and
      > 7th
      > > > century "
      > > >
      > > > http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/texasczech/Slav%20Ori
      > > > gins/Sixth%20and%20Seventh%20Centry%20Slovaks.htm
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Frank K
      > > >
      > > >
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