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  • Donna Lachney
    Sep 2, 2003
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      Yes, that is true about Austria-Hungary. I remember my Great Grandmother who came over with her mom and dad and she was old enough to remember things about there. I can remember anytime she mentioned her home she said "Austria-Hungary". It was never Spis or any other name, but Austria-Hungary....it is very confusing.

      Donna


      amiak@... wrote:
      The only thing I would add is that the
      "Spis" in English is
      "Szepes" in Hungarian, as well as
      "Zips" in German (or Austrian).

      It is quite common for the countries to be mixed up, and while the Spis was county within the Hungarian kingdom, it was also a part of "Austria-Hungary, often shortened as simply Austria". You can look upon the variety of languages as a challenge or an added spice to a very interesting mixture of cultures and politics!

      Ron


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Bill Tarkulich <bill@...>
      Date: Monday, September 1, 2003 5:10 pm
      Subject: RE: [S-R] Spis, Austria

      > Well firstly, this is a Slovakia list. You'd be better to pose your
      > question on an Austrian list, if you are certain it's Austria.
      > But I'm
      > not yet persuaded that it is. Being "near" is also a relative term.
      >
      > Until 1918 Austria-Hungary empire ruled a vast region of Europe.
      > Oftentimes people born in today's Slovakia were said to be from
      > "Hungary",ruled by the Hungarians, as part of the Austria-Hungary
      > empire.Depending who wrote the birth certificate, it might have
      > been recorded
      > as "Austria". When was the BC written, by who, where and when? Since
      > the ruling regions changed so much, this question is essential.
      >
      > I've written a very brief Slovakia history here
      > http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/historical_context.htm with many
      > references.
      >
      > The "Spis" was probably the old Hungary (pre 1918) county of Spis
      > (Szepes) in Slovakia. The name is that unique.
      > See Szepes at http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/vmlista.htm
      >
      > See http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/kingdom_of_hungary.htm
      > I will also offer that there are other sources for birth info. See
      > http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/ancestral_village.htm
      >
      >
      >
      > ______________
      > Bill Tarkulich
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Frank [kriznerf@...]
      > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:42 AM
      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [S-R] Spis, Austria
      >
      >
      > I am a new member and this is my first post.
      > This summer my wife and I vacationed in Germany and Austria. When
      > we
      > returned home we were told that we were near the birth place of my
      > grandparents. We were in Saltzburg and Vienna.
      > My fathers birth certificate states that my grandparents were born
      > in
      > Spis, Austria. My grandfather was born ins 1874. Where is Spis
      > in
      > relation to Salzburg and Vienna.
      > Thank you. Frank Krizner.
      >
      >
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