7249Re: [S-R] Re: surname spelling changes
- May 1, 2003Frank,
Thank you for that very informative reply. You really went out of your way
to explain this to me, and I do appreciate it. You must have the patience
of a saint..:-))
Do you know who killed my father?
JOHN SPRENTZ, murdered 1983 in
Ecorse, Michigan.... see my website for
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank" <frankur@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: [S-R] Re: surname spelling changes
> I have no problem with that.
> Hungarians had a surname ending -ics which was not native to
> Hungarian but a phonetic adaptation i.e. written -ics pron. ick.
> This was akin to South Slavic surname affix -ic'/-vic', -ovic' pron.
> ovich, meaning 'son of'.
> Pronounced the same as and means the same thing as 'son of' (clan
> name) in Croatian.
> Similar to Polish surname affix -owicz or -owycz which is
> pronounced the same as and also means the same thing as 'son of'
> (clan name)
> This special ending also has the same meaning in Russian.
> In Hungarian, the letter 'sz' is pron. s.
> In Polish , letter 'sz' is pron. sh.
> In Hungarian, the letter s is pron. sh and in Slovak the letter
> s^ is pron. sh.
> Since letter 'cs' is pron. ch, surname Szedovics might be spelled
> Szedlovich or Sedlovic^ (ch)
> Setlowitz could be the German spelling.
> Hungarian and Slovak don't use the letter w.
> Letters q, w, x appear only in foreign words and surnames.
> In most Slavic languages the letter v is pron. v.
> In German and Polish the letter w is pron. v.
> In German the letter v is pron. f, v.
> Ungvár (H)
> Uz^horod (Cz, Sk)
> Uzhhorod (Ukr)
> Uzhgorod (Rus)
> Russian has no H sound/letter, but a hard G.
> Ukrainian has no G sound/letter, but a hard H.
> In 1880 Ung megye was part of Hungary.
> The area of today's Karpatho-Ukraine was part of the Kingdom of
> Hungary from the 10th century to 1919, and formed the counties,
> comitatus in Latin, which was the legal language of
> administration until 1844, Komitat or Gespannschaft in German,
> Megye in Magyar), of Ung,(capital Ungvár), Bereg (Beregszasz),
> U-gocsa (Nagy-Szállos), and Máramaros (Marmaros-Szighet).
> They did not form a special administrative area during Hungarian
> After peace treaty (1920) the newly formed country of Czechoslovakia
> was formed from Bohemia, Moravia, and Austrian-Silesia and Slovakia
> and Karpatho-Ukraine.
> The larger part, with an area of 12,600 km or 5,400 sq. miles, was
> annexed by the newly created Czechoslovak Republic, or CSR, a
> smaller part of Marmaros Komitat by Romania.
> Both countries gave cities and villages new official names.
> The parts taken by the CSR were organized into the province of
> Podkarpatska Rus, divided into four Z^upy (Uz^horod, Mukac^evo,
> Berehovo, Marmaros^) whose boundaries followed roughly the old
> Komitat boundaries.The county capitals were Uz^horod, (Ungvár),
> Berehova, (Beregszasz), Mukac^evo (Munkács, German Munkatsch),
> while the new capital of Czech Marmaros was Chust
> (Huszt), since Máramarossziget was now the capital of Romanian
> Marmaros under the name of Sighetul Marmariei.
> The area had been promised autonomy in 1919, and finally
> received it in October 1938 in the wake of the Munich agreement.
> However, the Southern strip, populated mainly by Magyars (ethnic
> Hungarians), was returned to Hungary, which annexed the remainder
> of the area in March 1939.
> In 1939, Hungary forcibily annexed Subcarpathian Rus' (then part of
> The Karpatho-Ukraine was annexed in June 1945 by the Soviet Union.
> Since 1991, it is part of the independent Republic Ukraine.
> For genealogists, the boundary changes, especially when dividing of
> a village from its county capital, where many records were collected,
> presents great challenges.
> The problem now is, that inorder to obtain surname records, you need
> to write the Ukrainian Archives in Ukrainian Cyrillic alphabet.
> For example, Kiev
> K | | B (Cyrillic)
> K i i v
> If they ever replied, answer would also be written in Ukrainian.
> It good times, the Archives sometimes replied after a year, or
> >From the late 1700s until the end of WW I, Poland did not exist as a
> country. It was divided among the Russian, German (Prussian), and
> Austrian Empires. These divisions were known as Partitions.
> The former Russian Empire included Poland, Lithuania, Latvia ,
> Estonia , Belarus (Byelorussia), and parts of the Ukraine.
> Since this is not germane to CzechoSlovakia I will reply to your
> ancestry.com surname finds elsewhere.
> Instead I will tell you here how to obtain NJ naturalization records.
> Remember, for pre-1906 naturalization records you must figure out
> where the immigrant did (or could) naturalize, and look for that
> court's records. If it was a federal court, those records are likely
> at the appropriate Regional National Archives. After 1906 the
> procedure is just the same, except that there was a copy of ALL
> naturalization records since September 27, 1906, filed with the U.S.
> Immigration and Naturalization Service.
> So if you cannot determine which court naturalized the immigrant after
> 1906, or if the courthouse burned and the post-1906 records were lost,
> or you could request a copy from the INS under the Freedom of
> Information Act.
> You can e-mail the regional National Archives and Records
> Administration (NARA) Northeast Region-New York City NY to search
> their surname naturalization index.
> E-mail: newyork.archives@...
> Holdings :
> Maintains archival records from Federal agencies and courts in
> New Jersey, New York, Puerto Rico, and the U.S.Virgin Islands.
> Request a surname naturalization record search and provide
> as much as you can of the following:
> Date of birth
> Place of birth
> Year of immigration
> Ship and port of arrival
> Year of naturalization
> Marital status
> Names of spouse and dependents
> Residence at time of naturalization
> Also provide your name and U.S. Postal snailmail address.
> NARA will also respond to your query by e-mail.
> If located , upon payment of $ 6 fee will mail you
> naturalization papers.
> You will receive acknowledgement of request following a few days
> or hours depending on NARA's volume.
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