7241[S-R] Re: surname spelling changes
- Apr 30, 2003--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Anne Sprentz" <asprentz@w...>
> Frank,sound in
> I have one other thing I'd like to ask you about and then I'll quit
> pestering you. This ties in with the 'cs' ending making the 'ch'
> Hungarian.came to
> I have three versions of this surname on documents, all after she
> the states.Security
> Mary Szedlovics .....written on baptism record of son in 1907
> Mary Helen Szedlovich.....written on sons application for Social
> 1936records I
> Mary Setlowitz.....written on sons birth record in 1907
> This is the wife of Mihaly Sprencz/Princz. These are the *only*
> have with her name on them.Ung megye,
> According to sons baptism record, she was born in 1880 in Ungvar,
> which is now Uzhhorod, Ukraine.Magyar on
> I'm trying to take into account that even though she was listed as
> sons birth record, she may not have actually been Hungarian.Hungarian sounds
> Have been told that the "sz" is not Hungarian. Know that the 's' in
> Hungarian sounds like "sh'. You mentioned that the "cs' in
> like 'ch', but why would a spelling of Szedlovich also be spelledSetlowitz
> This is very confusing for me.might
> Could you give me some examples of spelling/sounds of this name that
> (1) help me to find her or her family name before coming to thestates, (on
> ship manifest) and (2) something spelled "americanized" to help mefind her
> on census records here in the states. Which spellings would comefrom which
> ethnicity? I'm starting to think she may have beenLithuanian/Polish from
> all the other spellings I've found.Anne,
I have no problem with that.
Hungarians had a surname ending -ics which was not native to
Hungarian but a phonetic adaptation i.e. written -ics pron. ick.
This was akin to South Slavic surname affix -ic'/-vic', -ovic' pron.
ovich, meaning 'son of'.
Pronounced the same as and means the same thing as 'son of' (clan
name) in Croatian.
Similar to Polish surname affix -owicz or -owycz which is
pronounced the same as and also means the same thing as 'son of'
This special ending also has the same meaning in Russian.
In Hungarian, the letter 'sz' is pron. s.
In Polish , letter 'sz' is pron. sh.
In Hungarian, the letter s is pron. sh and in Slovak the letter
s^ is pron. sh.
Since letter 'cs' is pron. ch, surname Szedovics might be spelled
Szedlovich or Sedlovic^ (ch)
Setlowitz could be the German spelling.
Hungarian and Slovak don't use the letter w.
Letters q, w, x appear only in foreign words and surnames.
In most Slavic languages the letter v is pron. v.
In German and Polish the letter w is pron. v.
In German the letter v is pron. f, v.
Uz^horod (Cz, Sk)
Russian has no H sound/letter, but a hard G.
Ukrainian has no G sound/letter, but a hard H.
In 1880 Ung megye was part of Hungary.
The area of today's Karpatho-Ukraine was part of the Kingdom of
Hungary from the 10th century to 1919, and formed the counties,
comitatus in Latin, which was the legal language of
administration until 1844, Komitat or Gespannschaft in German,
Megye in Magyar), of Ung,(capital Ungvár), Bereg (Beregszasz),
U-gocsa (Nagy-Szállos), and Máramaros (Marmaros-Szighet).
They did not form a special administrative area during Hungarian
After peace treaty (1920) the newly formed country of Czechoslovakia
was formed from Bohemia, Moravia, and Austrian-Silesia and Slovakia
The larger part, with an area of 12,600 km or 5,400 sq. miles, was
annexed by the newly created Czechoslovak Republic, or CSR, a
smaller part of Marmaros Komitat by Romania.
Both countries gave cities and villages new official names.
The parts taken by the CSR were organized into the province of
Podkarpatska Rus, divided into four Z^upy (Uz^horod, Mukac^evo,
Berehovo, Marmaros^) whose boundaries followed roughly the old
Komitat boundaries.The county capitals were Uz^horod, (Ungvár),
Berehova, (Beregszasz), Mukac^evo (Munkács, German Munkatsch),
while the new capital of Czech Marmaros was Chust
(Huszt), since Máramarossziget was now the capital of Romanian
Marmaros under the name of Sighetul Marmariei.
The area had been promised autonomy in 1919, and finally
received it in October 1938 in the wake of the Munich agreement.
However, the Southern strip, populated mainly by Magyars (ethnic
Hungarians), was returned to Hungary, which annexed the remainder
of the area in March 1939.
In 1939, Hungary forcibily annexed Subcarpathian Rus' (then part of
The Karpatho-Ukraine was annexed in June 1945 by the Soviet Union.
Since 1991, it is part of the independent Republic Ukraine.
For genealogists, the boundary changes, especially when dividing of
a village from its county capital, where many records were collected,
presents great challenges.
The problem now is, that inorder to obtain surname records, you need
to write the Ukrainian Archives in Ukrainian Cyrillic alphabet.
For example, Kiev
K | | B (Cyrillic)
K i i v
If they ever replied, answer would also be written in Ukrainian.
It good times, the Archives sometimes replied after a year, or
From the late 1700s until the end of WW I, Poland did not exist as a
country. It was divided among the Russian, German (Prussian), and
Austrian Empires. These divisions were known as Partitions.
The former Russian Empire included Poland, Lithuania, Latvia ,
Estonia , Belarus (Byelorussia), and parts of the Ukraine.
Since this is not germane to CzechoSlovakia I will reply to your
ancestry.com surname finds elsewhere.
Instead I will tell you here how to obtain NJ naturalization records.
Remember, for pre-1906 naturalization records you must figure out
where the immigrant did (or could) naturalize, and look for that
court's records. If it was a federal court, those records are likely
at the appropriate Regional National Archives. After 1906 the
procedure is just the same, except that there was a copy of ALL
naturalization records since September 27, 1906, filed with the U.S.
Immigration and Naturalization Service.
So if you cannot determine which court naturalized the immigrant after
1906, or if the courthouse burned and the post-1906 records were lost,
or you could request a copy from the INS under the Freedom of
You can e-mail the regional National Archives and Records
Administration (NARA) Northeast Region-New York City NY to search
their surname naturalization index.
Maintains archival records from Federal agencies and courts in
New Jersey, New York, Puerto Rico, and the U.S.Virgin Islands.
Request a surname naturalization record search and provide
as much as you can of the following:
Date of birth
Place of birth
Year of immigration
Ship and port of arrival
Year of naturalization
Names of spouse and dependents
Residence at time of naturalization
Also provide your name and U.S. Postal snailmail address.
NARA will also respond to your query by e-mail.
If located , upon payment of $ 6 fee will mail you
You will receive acknowledgement of request following a few days
or hours depending on NARA's volume.
> She is not on the Ellis Island database. I believe she came throughanother
> port, but the similiar spellings of Szedlovich that I have found onEI most
> are not Hungarian. Here's what I've found:b.Russian/Poland
> ancestry.com finds
> (2)SEDLEWICZ....born in .Lithuania speaks Lithuanian and
> speaks Polishin
> this one has a reference to Jewish Surnames in Russian Empire on
> ancestry.com, but I can't access it
> Also has 1 SSDI entry, no birthplace but last residence Elizabetn,
> Allegheny, PA
> (1)SEDLOWITZ.. B..Poland/Russia speaks Yiddish 1914 ancestry.com
> Ellis Island says he's coming to join his Uncle L SIDLEWICZ
> Ellis Island also says his nationality was Russian but ethnicity was
> (2) ZEDLOVICH... american born, but 2 brothers say parents were born
> Austria, and parents spoke Germanof 5
> (5) ZEDLOVICH SSDI entries on ancestry.com... all issued in NY 3 out
> last resided in Queens, NYspeaks
> (1)SEDLOVITCH B. Russia/ Speaks Lithuanian
> SEDLEVICH...Born in Russia Speaks Polish
> (2)SEDLEVICK...B Lithuanian/Lithuanian the other one b. Russian
> Russianthank you
> ELLIS ISLAND FINDS:
> SZEDLEWICZ...ethnicity Russian/Lithuanian
> SIEDLEWICZOWNA..... ethnicity...Russia/Polish
> SEDLEWICZ... born in Russia Ethnicity...Russia/ Lithuanian
> SZEDROVICS..Ethnicity Hungarian
> SEDEWITZ...Ethnicity Russia/Polish
> SEDLEWICZ...Ethnicity Russia/Lithuanian
> SZE?OWICZ Ethnicity Russian
> I hope I made it understandable of what I'm trying to ask, and I
> for your previous reply to my earlier posts.
> Anne Sprentz
> Do you know who killed my father?
> JOHN SPRENTZ, murdered 1983 in
> Ecorse, Michigan.... see my website for
> further details.
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