7237Re: [S-R] Re: surname spelling changes
- Apr 29, 2003Frank,
Thank you.:-) I saw those Sprencz's on the EI manifests. Those could be
related to my Mihaly Sprencz but without further research, I'm leaving them
alone. You can find the record of my Mihaly Sprencz by typing in Mihlay
Spaner. Yeah, I know, it looks nothing like Sprencz, but Spaner is what the
transcriber saw. And as a side note, it took me forever and a day to find
him on the Ellis Island ship manifests, and can you believe his son took me
months to find on the 1930 census because they had transcribe Spruetz
instead of Sprentz.
Spaner, Mihlay Arrival date 1 March, 1904 Port of Departure Antwerp
age 24 single
Last Residence, S A Ujhely
Going to Dayton Oh to join brother Joe Prince 1463 W Dakota. ( who came to
US in 1892)
So... maybe Mihaly wanted to be like his big brother and spell his name the
same way?? :-)) I have been in contact with Joszef's ggrandson, who has
never said Joszef spelled it Sprencz, and I've not found him with any
Sprencz spelling. And this ggrandson insists that Jozsef is Slovak. I've
never found anything to prove either brother was Slovak. This ggrandson is
older than me and has elderly family members who say Slovak, too. But.. I
don't know at this point, and have not gotten that far back in my research
for it to matter, really.. I'd just be happy to find Mihaly/Michael/Mike on
the 1930 census, or find a death record for him.
Anyhow, thanks, to you and also thanks to Thomas for replying to my post.
Do you know who killed my father?
JOHN SPRENTZ, murdered 1983 in
Ecorse, Michigan.... see my website for
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank" <frankur@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:27 PM
Subject: [S-R] Re: surname spelling changes
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Anne Sprentz" <asprentz@w...>
> > Frank,
> > You seem knowledgeable on the Slovak and Hungarian language. I'm
> curious to
> > know if you can answer this.
> > My great-grandfather was born 1879 in Satoraljaujhely, Hungary.
> > On the Ellis Island ship manifest, he lists his name as Sprencz,
> Mihaly in
> > 1904
> > On the city directories, he was listed as Mike Printz /Princz
> > His sons birth record lists him as Sprentz (1907)
> > On his sons baptism record his name was spelled Sprencz. (1907)
> > On the 1910 census, his name was spelled Printz
> > Some records his name was spelled Prince and Sprencz, in his own
> > handwriting. ( his dec of intent, and on a church document, both
> > between 1909-1912)
> > I can see the different spellings of Princz, but what I don't
> understand is
> > how Sprencz was interchanged with Princz? Why would that happen?
> > His son kept the name Sprentz, the father kept it Printz.
> > Also, if there is no cz in the Slovak Language, would that mean that
> > could not have been Slovak? The area he was born in was once
> Slovakia, as I
> > understand and had a high concentration of Slovaks.
> > Thanks.
> > A. Sprentz
> After the WW I peace treaty with Hungary (1920), Zemplén megye was
> (county) was split between Hungary and Czechoslovakia around
> Sátoraljaúhely, Hungary.
> Part remained in Hungary and the rest became part of Slovakia
> (Zemplin z^upa)
> Many emigrants changed names after they had settled in the U.S.
> Emigration service didn't make them change their surnames.
> Some did it to sound more American and others for any number of
> By no Slovak letter 'cz' I meant that in ship manifests before WW I,
> Slovak surnames often appeared under their Hungarian spellings.
> Archaic letter combination 'cz' is now the letter 'c'.
> Hungarian doesn't have a diacritic letter c ^ pron. ch.
> It does have the letter 'cs' which is also pron. ch.
> So Slovak surnames on manifests could be in Hungarian version
> while today the Slovak version is found in the Slovakia telephone
> In Hungarian and Slovak, the letter c is pron. ts.
> In German the letter z is pron. ts.
> Sprentz and Printz look like German surname spellings.
> Michael, Mike (E) (G)
> Mihály, Miska (H)
> Michal (Sk)
> In 1905, a Mihaly Sprencz, age 34, married, Magyar, emigrated to
> He went to his brother György (H) George (E) Juraj (Sk) Sprencz
> in Newark, NJ.
> His Last Residence is listed as Regmez, but that was Regéc which is
> located just west of Sátoraljaúhely, Hungary.
> In 1909, a Mihaly Sprencz , age 36, married, Magyar, emigrated
> to U.S.
> He went to brother-in-law János Louscsak in Cleveland OH.
> Mihaly had been in U.S. before in 1903/1906 also in Cleveland.
> His Last Residence was listed as Cselij which is Cselej (H)
> C^elovce (Sk) located just west of Trebis^ov, Slovakia and
> not far north of Sátoraljaúhely, Hungary.
> Frank Kurcina
> > Do you know who killed my father?
> > JOHN SPRENTZ, murdered 1983 in
> > Ecorse, Michigan.... see my website for
> > further details.
> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/2651/Unsolvedmurder.html
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank" <frankur@a...>
> > To: <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:40 PM
> > Subject: [S-R] Re: Maczko, Orendas/Arendacs
> > > Slovak language doesn't have a letter 'cz'.
> > > Cz was an archaic Hungarian letter combination, now the letter c.
> > > In Slovak and Hungarian the letter c is pron. as English 'ts'.
> > >
> > > In Hungarian, letter 'cs' is pron. ch.
> > > Slavic diacritic letter 'c^' is pron. ch.
> > > Archaic Hungarian letters 'ch, ts' are now modern letter cs and
> > > 'th' is modern letter t.
> > >
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