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35151Re: [S-R] Alias Confusion (3 names)

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  • htcstech
    Feb 6, 2013
      Thank you Curt!
      Your explanation summarises the alias events very well.
      I have an oral history (told in 2012) where some branches of the family
      were differentiated by nicknames, though still keeping the family name.
      The first example was of 'Bartosi Marafko' who bought the land owned by
      Bartos and the other, 'Olle Marafko' or 'Marafko Olle' where the maiden
      name was used.
      Neither became aliases or recorded in church books. It was and still is
      used for identification in general conversation as a convenience.

      You raise an interesting point about literacy.
      Most of us have only the church archives to examine where considerable
      spelling variations occurred. If the individual (let's say a marriage pre
      1869) was literate and the scribe wrote the name incorrectly, would he have
      an opportunity to read the entry and suggest correction? Were the entries
      only for the perusal of the priests? Did tax officials have access to these
      It is difficult to find information regarding schooling from 1770 onwards.
      I understand that there was an education revolution during the
      industrialisation era of 1880 onwards, but prior to that I've only found a
      few references to the advent of Lutheran schools and guilds and the
      establishment of Catholic schools as a reaction to this as part of the
      anti-reformation movement. I think much of this schooling had a lot to do
      with the Estate owners. I know that Esterhazy (the Matyusfold Estate in
      Galanta) built an orphanage which may have also included a school.
      What is known about early schooling?

      Thank you

      Peter M.

      On 7 February 2013 06:35, CurtB <curt67boc@...> wrote:

      > **
      > Eric,
      > In raising the question of the Alias or "do' name it is important to
      > remember that this was not a uniform practice over time and place, but
      > varied until it disappeared at the beginning of the 20th century.
      > That is, it was much more common in small communities that were partially
      > illiterate, oral cultures, and without possessing documents. Their births,
      > deaths, and marriages were simply recorded by clergy in the church books
      > according to what the clergy either 'knew' or the people told them. People
      > did not even remember their birthdays accurately,but they celebrated
      > saint's days which were known through the church calendar.
      > Aliases or name changes came about from the case you mention here but also
      > but also following spousal deaths and remarriages. So children of first
      > marriages followed by a death of a father and a mother's remarriage often
      > took on the name of the second father with no formal procedure in place,
      > just custom. It just became too difficult for neighbors to remember what to
      > call which child. My own grandmother was married twice and the children of
      > the first marriage took on the name of her second husband without much
      > question, though within the family we knew the whole story and
      > differentiated them with an alias. Our grandmother's entire family also had
      > a third alias to differentiate it from from another set of rather distant
      > cousins who shared first names. This alias persisted even when the original
      > last name was no longer shared by women who had married and had children.
      > Some aliases were taken on by which house one might move into. It was rare
      > to move into a house not inherited in some way so when it happened one
      > might be called by a name of a former family who occupied that home. So a
      > man might be called by neighbors - John Smith who lives in the Zobrak home
      > - and eventually just John Zobrak.
      > Some aliases were taken on by men who married a woman in another village
      > and went to live with her family. Since local villagers knew her family but
      > not him, he would just take on her family name.
      > Some aliases were taken on by men who married women of different class, or
      > who were owners or heiresses of land when the husband was not.
      > And while I have not found a case in church records, it seems not unlikely
      > that, just as in this country presently, people sometimes take on an alias
      > by moving and escaping a bad reputation.:)
      > Curt B.
      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "tkejuice1208" wrote:
      > >
      > > Thanks to all who have provided input. These discussions are always very
      > interesting and I encourage additional input that may be of value. To
      > answer a previous question, I have not yet seen the alias in reverse
      > (Hajducsek, alias Skop).
      > >
      > > As the wheels continue to turn in my head, I thought of an event that
      > may trigger an alias. Please let know if you can verify such an occurrence
      > or otherwise know this to be true. The scenario is that unwed mother gives
      > birth to child "A" (illeg). Child is baptized with mother's maiden surname.
      > Mother marries and had additional children who carry the surname of the
      > father. Child "A" has mother's maiden surname, but can be associated with
      > the family unit/household that bears the surname of the husband, therefore
      > triggering the alias by association.
      > >
      > > Thoughts?
      > >

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